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All the JFB lovers. Calling it now. Hoyer will start first game. There is no reason to throw JFB in early
I agree. I hope that Hoyer starts, and we let Manziel develop. He needs to understand protections at the NFL level, or he;ll get killed up here.
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.Coach Pettit. Hoyer will beat out any QB I draft. Good. Let Johnny set for few yrs
All the JFB lovers. Calling it now. Hoyer will start first game. There is no reason to throw JFB in early
I hope so... he needs a year to sit.
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I like him a lot more than Weeden coming out lol I think with Manziel he is either going to be really good or really bad...no middle ground...He really needs to learn how to get rid of the ball quicker...instead of breaking plays down on his own...but not a bad value later in round 1...was hoping for Brandin Cooks...but he went to the Saints and could be front runner for ROY...but hoping Manziel is our answer 
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That would be the ideal situation.
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All the JFB lovers. Calling it now. Hoyer will start first game. There is no reason to throw JFB in early
I agree. I hope that Hoyer starts, and we let Manziel develop. He needs to understand protections at the NFL level, or he;ll get killed up here.
I didn't want him but if he sits behind Hoyer I'm OK with it. There is No reason to start him. Hoyer did fine
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The only two QBs in this draft I wanted were Manziel or Bridgewater. I flip-flopped on which one of those I preferred, but always said I'd be happy as long as the Browns came away with one of them.
Not only did the Browns come away with Manziel, but they have a stud corner and a future
1st round pick as well.
I think Farmer has handled this draft extremely well, and I am happy!
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Yeah........JFF needs to sit if Hoyer is up for the job. I wouldn't mind keeping JFF as 3rd string this year and letting VY or Thigpen be the #2 guy. JFF is the future, but there should be no rush to start him imo.
The only way he starts imo is if he is just by far the best QB in camp ala Russel Wilson.
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Stunned...thought it was Teddy..
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speechless.
Did we just walk out of this draft with the top corner, Johnny Manziel, and potentially a top 10 pick next year? Excuse me?
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Me too. But I'm good with Manzel. It HAD to be one of those two.
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what a freaking draft so far. we get the top cb and the top QB and a first next year.....Farmer didnt dissapoint so far. Im on cloud 9 right now, cant wait to see him in preseason
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Yeah a really great 1st draft by Farmer. He maximized his picks and got the most valuable out of it.
As much as I love JFF, the best thing about what Ray did was get a free 1st rounder next year and still walking out with the guy they wanted........beautiful.
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Noooo! He's too small! Somebody Phil Taylors size is going to break him in two! I can't believe this!
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I feel the same way.
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Because all those guys he played against in college were soooooo small and slow. 
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I didn't want him at 4, I have to feel ok about taking him at 22. Huge boom or bust potential, here's to hoping he booms. I hope fans and media will allow him to sit behind Hoyer and learn. Go Brown! 
If the intent is to sit Manziel for a year or so to get him spooled up on how football is played in the NFL, sure it's not a bad pick. But as a day one starter, this pick would suck. I hope they find a way to control his happy feet.
He has the arm strength to play well from the pocket. He also has escapability which is very useful, and he has the ability to keep his eyes downfield. Finally, he has Shanahan to coach him into playing the game right. There is no pressure to start him right away, and we do have weapons and will have a running game so he won't have to do everything if he does need to step in if Hoyer is injured. It's a good situation for him to be in and for us to have him in.
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He's only 1/4 of inch shorter and 6 lbs. lighter then Drew Brees was when he was drafted.
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He's only 1/4 of inch shorter and 6 lbs. lighter then Drew Brees was when he was drafted.
Which QB doesn't get hurt if hit by someone Phil Taylor's size?
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Because all those guys he played against in college were soooooo small and slow.
Exactly. The rules these days baby qbs. He just needs to learn when to slide, or go out of bounds.
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Exactly. The rules these days baby qbs. He just needs to learn when to slide, or go out of bounds.
Hoyer should be able to teach him how because he learned that lesson the hard way.
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Exactly. The rules these days baby qbs. He just needs to learn when to slide, or go out of bounds.
he needs to learn how to slide, and how to operate in the pocket, and under Center, His footwork needs cleaned up a lot, but that's true of most QBs coming into the NFL. I think that he is going to have to work on reading the entire field as well.
He does have some special abilities, including, from what I have seen, ball placement, and has leadership galore, but he has work to do.
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He has upside that Weeden never had. This kid might bust, but he actually has the chance to boom. The last guy we drafted at 22 had a chance to bust or be somewhat decent for a couple of years...lol.
I'll take a JFF who has work to do but can be a long term solution over a finished mediocre sloth like Weeds any day.
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he needs to learn how to slide, and how to operate in the pocket, and under Center, His footwork needs cleaned up a lot, but that's true of most QBs coming into the NFL. I think that he is going to have to work on reading the entire field as well.
He does have some special abilities, including, from what I have seen, ball placement, and has leadership galore, but he has work to do.
Yeah he needs to learn to slide ect,but damn that kid is a slippery weasel,and can really make some plays out of nothing.
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I'm pretty pissed about the pick because we gave up the 3rd. He would have been there at 26. Also he will not start, as long as Hoyer is healthy, Hoyer starts.
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Exactly. The rules these days baby qbs. He just needs to learn when to slide, or go out of bounds.
he needs to learn how to slide, and how to operate in the pocket, and under Center, His footwork needs cleaned up a lot, but that's true of most QBs coming into the NFL. I think that he is going to have to work on reading the entire field as well.
He does have some special abilities, including, from what I have seen, ball placement, and has leadership galore, but he has work to do.
Yeah he needs to learn to slide ect,but damn that kid is a slippery weasel,and can really make some plays out of nothing.
I like that he has almost a "Mini-Big Ben" quality to him. he can extend plays, and get the ball down the field with solid placement. I worry about his size, and whether or not he can play under Center, and find passing lanes .... but hopefully that won't be a problem for him. Huge hands should allow him to be a solid play action guy as well.
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When you are building a winner you don't waste picks on backups!!!
The Vikings were trying to trade up. He wouldn't have been there.
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When you are building a winner you don't waste picks on backups!!!
Supposedly the Vikings were also competing for that pick to get Manziel.
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Could care less about the media being into the Browns. Would have rather had Watkins and Dennard and the team would have been more improved IMO. Get familiar with the term "Mush Rush". It's how LSU shut him down. Forced him to throw from the pocket. Gilbert may end up being a good pick but don't like passing on Watkins for him.
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When you are building a winner you don't waste picks on backups!!!
Questionable.... in the 20s, Manziel starts to be a value pick and there was alot of chatter about KC moving on him.
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Agree to disagree, i think he would have been. If not Bridgewater would have.
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I hate when people compare Manziel to Brees and Russell Wilson..yes all similar in frame dimensions...but big difference is Manziel plays reckless and erratic with a like taunting daring style...big difference between him and the others...Manziel will be taking major hits because of this...but as a Browns fan I hope he can win
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Well, I hope we didn't just draft Ryan Leaf. Hope he's the guy. Hoped Weeden was the guy. Hoped Couch was the guy. Hoped Quinn was the guy. Hoped Colt McCoy was the guy. We'll see. Hope he's the guy. 
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I would've liked Watkins also, but we already have the best #1 receiver in the league (so long as he can stay off the salad).
Corner is one of the things we've all been talking about for a long time and quite frankly this kids highlight reel looked better than Hadens reel did.
Between Gordon, Burelson and Cameron we've got the pass catching thing sewn up for now. If Tate can outdo Richardson by a couple yards per carry…things aren't' as bad as they seem.
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How can you agree to disagree? It is a fact that the Vikings were trying to trade up.
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Me too. Risky pick.
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You re probably right. What the FO did though was make the move to get their guy. They showed deliberate balls in this first round to move up and down to get the players they wanted. I think its a pretty amazing night one for the Browns.
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AND a 2015 first rounder from a poor team in a tough division.
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You re probably right. What the FO did though was make the move to get their guy. They showed deliberate balls in this first round to move up and down to get the players they wanted. I think its a pretty amazing night one for the Browns.
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AND a 2015 first rounder from a poor team in a tough division.
Pure awesomeness
Plus their non conference opponents this year are NFC North and AFC West...not easy (GB, Chicago, Detroit, Denver, KC, SD)
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what a freaking draft so far. we get the top cb and the top QB and a first next year.....Farmer didnt dissapoint so far. Im on cloud 9 right now, cant wait to see him in preseason
We still have more picks too...
Man, we addressed 2 huge needs. Combine that with our FA moves, and I think we have covered our bases. This frees us up to really go after the best players we see left... OG, WR, maybe a MLB to prep for the future...
I'm thrille with what Ray Farmer has done with this. So to say, it's all on paper, these guys have to show it on the field, but wow, what a night....
I think taking him at 22 lessens the presure to play him. For people who a worried about Hoyer, you shouldn't be. He's a pro, and will continue to work hard. I'm not worried about him one bit.
I think it's going to be very beneficial to Manziel to sit in film room with Hoyer. Brian makes really quick decisions which comes from years of being an understudy and putting in the work. He does what Brandon Weeden could never do. Johnny will have his moments where he will have some freedom on the field, but if he can learn to get it and fire it, that will cut down on the running and scrambling, and lessen the chances of injury.
I truly believe he can develop into a quarterback who can sit and read defenses, but that will take time. Everything I have read about this guy is that he woks extremely hard at his craft.
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We'll know in about two years. Hope you're right, though.
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How can you agree to disagree? It is a fact that the Vikings were trying to trade up.
Just like the Browns were trying to trade up to #11 and that didnt happen!!! The VIKINGS WERE TRYING!
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