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LOL..........the one pick most are bashing is my favorite pick. Manziel might be a bust. However, he has more upside than any player in this draft. Not one player in this draft or in recent memory has the potential to turn an entire franchise around the way Manziel can.
Love the pick.
Excellent post. If anyone disagrees with your statement let them imagine Teddy Bridgewater being killed by AFC North defenses while little Johnny runs around them.
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I don't disagree with Vers but I think Manziel has a much higher probability to be killed than Bridgewater.
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I don't disagree with Vers but I think Manziel has a much higher probability to be killed than Bridgewater.
I don't. The game has changed. Tebow started it, Cam Newton is on the verge of perfecting it and RG3 is on his way too. Manziel fits that mold.
The NFL still has rules about protecting QBs, and trust me, Manziel isn't going to be ripped apart in the pocket like Charlie Frye. NFL has a vested interest in keeping him healthy...and I think he's smart enough to know when to get out of bounds or slide, and when to "go for it."
My biggest concern is him holding the ball and therefore people blaming the OL, but if you watch his year 1 to year 2 development in college and project that development in the NFL, good things can happen.
And ask yourself: is there any other QB taken in the last few years with the cojones to fearlessly go into Heinz Field, score a TD and shut up their fans? Or fearlessly taunt a Steeler or Raven defender as he blows by them? I don't think so.
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I don't disagree with Vers but I think Manziel has a much higher probability to be killed than Bridgewater.
I don't. The game has changed. Tebow started it, Cam Newton is on the verge of perfecting it and RG3 is on his way too. Manziel fits that mold.
The NFL still has rules about protecting QBs, and trust me, Manziel isn't going to be ripped apart in the pocket like Charlie Frye. NFL has a vested interest in keeping him healthy...and I think he's smart enough to know when to get out of bounds or slide, and when to "go for it."
My biggest concern is him holding the ball and therefore people blaming the OL, but if you watch his year 1 to year 2 development in college and project that development in the NFL, good things can happen.
And ask yourself: is there any other QB taken in the last few years with the cojones to fearlessly go into Heinz Field, score a TD and shut up their fans? Or fearlessly taunt a Steeler or Raven defender as he blows by them? I don't think so.
The Browns have needed this. Embrace it.
As to scoring a TD and shutting up opposing team's fans, most TDs by the away team do that. As to 'fearlessly taunting a Raven or Steeler defender" I prefer my team to have class. I'm not into showboating. A big part of what turns me off in Manziel is his outward displays of cockiness. Makes my skin crawl.
About the rest.
Tebow started it and is out of the league. Cam, at 6" taller and 40 pounds bigger, is perfecting it. And RG3 is recovering from it. I'll embrace it in Manziel when/if I see it on Sundays. Until then I'll continue to be skeptical.
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My biggest concern is him holding the ball and therefore people blaming the OL, but if you watch his year 1 to year 2 development in college and project that development in the NFL, good things can happen.
That's a good point. Actually, 2 good points in one. There's a fine line between extending for good, and extending a play and getting hammered.
His development - as you said, from "year 1 to year 2" in college - hopefully he's open and accepting of coaching. And, hopefully, our coaches are up to the task as well. He's a somewhat renegade qb from what little I've seen, but from a lot of what I have read. There's room for growth, and hopefully he'll do it.
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It seems legit until you read about his outlaw bloodlines.
Odd comment.
Who knows and who cares at this point? Time to get behind the guy and figure out what the hell is going to happen with Gordon.
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I don't disagree with Vers but I think Manziel has a much higher probability to be killed than Bridgewater.
I don't. The game has changed. Tebow started it, Cam Newton is on the verge of perfecting it and RG3 is on his way too. Manziel fits that mold.
The NFL still has rules about protecting QBs, and trust me, Manziel isn't going to be ripped apart in the pocket like Charlie Frye. NFL has a vested interest in keeping him healthy...and I think he's smart enough to know when to get out of bounds or slide, and when to "go for it."
My biggest concern is him holding the ball and therefore people blaming the OL, but if you watch his year 1 to year 2 development in college and project that development in the NFL, good things can happen.
And ask yourself: is there any other QB taken in the last few years with the cojones to fearlessly go into Heinz Field, score a TD and shut up their fans? Or fearlessly taunt a Steeler or Raven defender as he blows by them? I don't think so.
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First off, I just want to say it's good to see you posting again. I've missed seeing you around here.
That being said, don't take any more from my post beside my critique of his propensity to leave the pocket. I didn't make any gashes against his attitude or competitiveness.
I don't think the game has completely changed. I think other teams have figured out a path to victory without having a mega-elite QB. However, you have to ask, which teams are still the ones who are almost guaranteed a playoff spot?
I DO think and agree - and I feel a lot of people are blind to - signs that the league is shifting back to a good running game. Everyone preaches the air assault game right now. Defenses have gotten smaller, lighter. What better thing to do offensively than start pounding it again. Really started to work for Pittsburgh's offense in the second half of last year. Seattle and San Fran sure embrace it. However, IMHO, it doesn't have to be done by the QB. A smart QB who gets the ball out quick fits in very well with the trend. He never goes out of style. He keeps defenses honest. I do think Manziel is football smart. He just has to learn how to actually sit back and progress through his reads more patiently. I hope he learns that.
So, going back to the original point of contention, Manziel does have a higher probability of injury to Bridgewater. He leaves the pocket. He relies on his feet and he exposes himself to hits much more than Bridgewater. Teddy progresses through his reads, generally stays in the pocket, but gets the ball out fast.
And I'm not sure what place #9 (as you used to call him) has in this conversation since he doesn't belong anywhere near it.
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I wish more people would do that.
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Yeah, the Troy Smith campaign has me agreeing with you. lol
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Johnny has a lot of learning to do. He should watch game tape of Wilson and just see how he takes care of himself. Sliding early, getting out of bounds, and just knowing the impact point of a play, and taking yourself out of it a second before. He is so good at it. Johnny will have to learn. Wilson is in the same position as Johnny as you could argue the NFC West is a more physical division than the AFCN right now. He plays SF, STL, and ARZ twice. SF and STL have very physical front 7's.
Learning to slide/get out of bounds, and developing more in the pocket will limit the chances of injury. He has a ways to go but I am very confident he's going to learn.
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Someone made a good point earlier ... I think we finally have a QB that might actually get some of those "roughing" calls we always see the other guys get. I think something like that hit on Hoyer where he blew up his knee, would get flagged if it's Manziel sliding.
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Someone made a good point earlier ... I think we finally have a QB that might actually get some of those "roughing" calls we always see the other guys get. I think something like that hit on Hoyer where he blew up his knee, would get flagged if it's Manziel sliding.
I thought the whole Hoyer thing last year was just a freak play. I didn't see any kind of a flag on that play. It was not a good slide, and the guy came in at the wrong time.
I think 90% of the reason our QB's get hurt is because they don't take care of themselves behind the LOS. Weeden held onto the ball to long. McCoy thought he could take off at times where he should have just thrown the damn thing away... Stuff like that. Campbell held on to the ball too long.
With Hoyer, he doesn't do that. He makes quick decisions and lives with them.. If that rubs off on Johnny... Look out. If you combine quick decision making in the pocket, with his ability to escape/scramble, DC's are going to have nightmares. I believe that type of work will take at least 2 years. Maybe one sitting (for most of the year anyway) and one learning on the job...
People worry about Manziel getting hurt, but all QB's get hurt... Brady and Manning missed a year. RG3 got hurt. Big Ben has had time off. I guarantee you Newton and Luck will miss time. Brett Favre seemed to be the only guy who was somehow immune to it. Funny enough is that Manziel draws some comparisons to him (although I think they're also very different).
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Johnny said something in his opening day press conference that really made me think he's ready to take the next step. He was talking about watching Wilson in the Super Bowl and said it's not about making the big play, just the smart/right one. I was really happy to hear that. Granted, talk is cheap, but it's somewhere.
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It will be interesting to see if Ndamukong Suh is on the field with Manziel this preseason. Scumbag does something flagrant against us every time we meet.
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Has this been put up yet...? Patriot's Manzeil Scouting Report Eeessh 
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It's fake. So obviously fake. I can't believe people are believing this. The most secretive team in the league let their scouting report on the highest profile prospect in 10 years leak to brobible.com? NFL scouting reports mention things like "Upgrade over Tebow"? Really? 
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Ahh, you're probably right. I hope so anyway.
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Kind of like saying he didn't want to be called Johnny Football any more yet acquired a registered trademark for Johnny Football.
Kind of talking out both sides of his mouth. I'm in "show me, don't tell me" mode.
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Also, that scouting report makes it seem the Pats wanted nothing to do with Manziel.
Mort has reported that if Manziel had fallen to their pick, they would have likely taken him.
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It's fake.
So obviously fake.
I can't believe people are believing this.
The most secretive team in the league let their scouting report on the highest profile prospect in 10 years leak to brobible.com?
NFL scouting reports mention things like "Upgrade over Tebow"?
Really?
It's something made to make the Browns look dumb and the Pats look smart and you are surprised people are believing it?
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Also, that scouting report makes it seem the Pats wanted nothing to do with Manziel.
I didn't get that impression.
"Good #2 in year one that could back up Tom and develop into a starter"
Doesn't sound like a report that wants nothing to do with the guy.
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But it also said that he didn't fit the "Patriot way"
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But it also said that he didn't fit the "Patriot way"
I don't disagree with that assessment.
And I don't see how a scouting report says that he'd be a good backup to Brady with the potential to develop into a starter is 'wanting nothing to do with the kid'.
I can't say one way or another, but it looks legit to me, based on it's depth, non-sensationalism, verbage and accurate assessment of Manziel.
If it's a forgery...someone did a hell of a job and wasted a lot of time.
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I don't disagree with that assessment.
And I don't see how a scouting report says that he'd be a good backup to Brady with the potential to develop into a starter is 'wanting nothing to do with the kid'.
I can't say one way or another, but it looks legit to me, based on it's depth, non-sensationalism, verbage and accurate assessment of Manziel.
If it's a forgery...someone did a hell of a job and wasted a lot of time.
Clearly a Steelers fan. 
I suspect it's not real but if it is it's all that talk about only knowing 60% of the playbook and not showing up for workouts etc that makes the brain explode. I can't see that jiving with could be Brady's backup in 2 years stuff.
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I think it's fake too, but Lombardi is now with the Pats and he has a history of "leaking" as well as the resentful motive. Just saying...maybe he made one up and than leaked the thing to make us look bad
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I think it's fake too, but Lombardi is now with the Pats and he has a history of "leaking" as well as the resentful motive. Just saying...maybe he made one up and than leaked the thing to make us look bad
Well, obviously that's what was inside that Cleveland Browns folder that he had at the combine... 
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I think it's fake too, but Lombardi is now with the Pats and he has a history of "leaking" as well as the resentful motive. Just saying...maybe he made one up and than leaked the thing to make us look bad
Who really cares if it is fake or not? Did anyone see the Patriots draft? It was very questionable IMO. They take a D-Lineman with an ACL tear to both of his knees in the first and then Jimmy Garapolo in the 2nd who won't likely ever see the field as long as Brady is healthy. However, the Pats seem to make their money in the mid to late rounds.
I think the Patriots drafting over the past several years has been very overrated and Brady has made them all look like geniuses.
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Maybe a little... but each to his own, when it comes to being a fan.
I've always seen it like this: the player has no control over which team drafts him so it's a waste of emotion to hate on them if they go to a division rival. Case in point: Shaun Suisham. Loved him when he kicked for BGSU (my school).... can't hate on him now just because he wants to help Pittsburgh win games. It's what all players are supposed to do. And yes- I'd happily draw a paycheck from the Rooneys if they hired me to play for them (I could do some real damage with that endpin and some 'sour notes'....).
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Agreed. I don't think that they have drafted well since Pioli left. Pioli did a pretty good job in KC with the big exception of being able to find a decent Qb (I exclude salary cap because I don't know what their salary cap stauts is).
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I fully agree with that and say so for several years now. They did get two of my favs in the mid rounds though in Urban and J.White
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I guess I should have expected it.
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