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I can see another cornerback. Not just on need, but from a long-term standpoint. They are hard to get in FA and tough to keep.

Everyone is scared about Gordon failing another test, don't forget Haden failed one too. We could just as easily be shuffling the depth chart at CB. And on defense, you don't have much choice when the offense goes 4 or 5 wide. they will pick on you. You have to react to their formation.

Like you, I'm worried about starters (OB/ILB). But if folks want to worry about insurance...I'm more worried about McFadden and Trufant than Little and Benjamin. I'd rather be deep at CB.

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I'm not.

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I'm worried about starters. But if we want to worry about insurance, I'm more worried about McFadden and Trufant than Little and Benjamin.



Fair enough but I'm worried about starters first.. and an OG or WR #2 is a starter... and in the 2nd and 3rd round, considering some of the holes we still have, you are still looking for starters..


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See, I don't think that we "need" a Guard high in this draft.

I look at our OL, and 80% of it was an OL that was highly effective in the WCO 2 years ago. The only missing piece from that line is Shawn Lavaoa. I think that we can pop Greco over to RG, where he might be an even better fit than at LG, then use the best of McQuistan, Pinkston, Warren, and maybe even Fragel and/or Wallace as potential players at LG. I don't see Faulk or Gilkey as options at LG, and Faulk's lack of speed and agility probably eliminate him from the team's future plans entirely. Gilkey, as a prospect, was said to have solid agility and speed as a G prospect in any blocking scheme. I think that he might be a possibility at RG ... but maybe he sneaks into the conversation at LG as well.

I see our OL as a very strong unit, proven by the fact that they were excellent as a ZBS/WCO unit 2 years ago, and that we have most of that excellent OL back. I don't get the whole "The sky is falling!" view as far as the OL is concerned. I think that unit is in good shape, and high draft picks in this deep draft can better be used elsewhere.

I see that extra CB as a much bigger need than a Guard who replaces a potentially capable Guard. We kept a bunch of extra OL on the roster last year throughout the regular season. We did so to develop them. Farmer was part of the front office that helped make those decisions. Further, I believe that Guard is one position on an NFL team that can be developed rather than having to be drafted. I think that we can work with the players we have, and develop another Guard ...... and we will also probably be able to add a veteran if we really want to as teams start cutting players who are older and might not fit, or new coaching staffs cut players who don't fit the new schemes those teams play.


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I want a WR, another CB, an ILB, and a RB. If we get those, I'll be thrilled.



I would pass on your CB for an interior OL.. other than that, I agree. I think with Haden, Gilbert, Skrine, and hope that McFadden will improve, we don't need another investment in the position.. give me a 3rd round OG instead.




Haden has played 15, 11, and 15 games in the past 3 seasons. I don't want to get down to the final game of the season, competing for a playoff spot, and wind up having to plug a Ralph Brown or a Chris Owens in there.

We have a chance to solidify that unit for years to come, and we should do so. It's that important.




I'd rather have Oline help...


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I see our OL as a very strong unit, proven by the fact that they were excellent as a ZBS/WCO unit 2 years ago, and that we have most of that excellent OL back.



We haven't been in the top 20 in rushing in years.. we are pretty good at pass pro but we haven't had a good run blocking OL in a long time.. regardless of scheme..

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I don't get the whole "The sky is falling!" view as far as the OL is concerned. I think that unit is in good shape, and high draft picks in this deep draft can better be used elsewhere.



I don't think the sky is falling... I just find OG as a bigger need than CB.. it's cool if we can't agree on that.

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We kept a bunch of extra OL on the roster last year throughout the regular season. We did so to develop them. Farmer was part of the front office that helped make those decisions.



We drafted and kept McFadden for the same reason.. Haden, Gilbert, Skrine, McFadden, Posey is not that bad... and you can only do so much for depth.. you mention if Haden gets hurt.. what if JT or Mack gets hurt? Yea, I know, it's never happened, doesn't mean it can't.


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Crazy thought.

With the chatter that Mallet is not going to be traded to Houston, does anyone think there is any talk within Browns HQ about trading Hoyer to Houston for a pick in the 3rd or 4th round prior to tonights draft picking back up? The relationship is there from the New England days and it would certainly avoid the inevitable QB controversy that is sure to drag on through training camp. I know Pettine doesn't like to hand anything to anyone but he and Farmer had to know this wouldn't be like any other regular situation. Could it be a reason that both Thygpen (sp?) and Young were signed as a potential veteran backup if Manziel were added? I wasn't a fan of taking Manziel but now that he is here, wouldn't it make more sense to let the learning process begin and get something for Hoyer while you can?

The other reason I ask is after listening to Josh Gordon on ESPN, the Johnny Circus can't help but cause a divide in the locker room simply by the droves of media constantly asking current players how they feel about Johnny as the starting QB.....when he will not have even been named the opening day QB.

Just a thought.....

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does anyone think there is any talk within Browns HQ about trading Hoyer to Houston for a pick in the 3rd or 4th round prior to tonights draft picking back up?



I hope not. I like Hoyer and whether he is the starter next year or not I like having him on the roster.... That would amount to telling Manziel today, you are the starter... and I don't want to do that.


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We have to improve the interior run blocking for Shanahan;s offense. Plus, we don't want Manziel running from inside pressure. Its one area the new FO hasn't really addressed. I hope McQuistan is a better fit, but I'm not sure he's an upgrade over Lava Man.

WR, RB, Secondary, QB have all been addressed. OLine is one area that the new FO hasn't really improved. They have my blessing to take BPA at any position, but I have a feeling they want to get Their Guy for the Line in the 2nd or 3rd.

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does anyone think there is any talk within Browns HQ about trading Hoyer to Houston for a pick in the 3rd or 4th round prior to tonights draft picking back up?



I hope not. I like Hoyer and whether he is the starter next year or not I like having him on the roster.... That would amount to telling Manziel today, you are the starter... and I don't want to do that.




Wouldn't be my push either (as mentioned, would have rather given Hoyer additional weapons) but after listening to Sal Pal and him mentioning the fact that Pettine was with the Jets when the Tebow Circus went on with that team, just wondering out loud if the team environment won't be better served if it happened. We all know how much Cleveland loves the backup QBs

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They have my blessing to take BPA at any position,



I'm sure they appreciate that.

I never do mocks but this is what I would like to see...

#35 Marqise Lee WR USC
#71 Tre Mason RB Auburn
#106 Cyril Richardson OG Baylor


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I can't see it with Pettine talking up Hoyer as much as he has.

Sure it might of been smokescreen to try to get our QB. But if you talk a guy up, then trade him to start a rookie, you're asking for Locker room troubles.


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We had who, exactly, at RB last year?

Obi and Baker each ran well behind this OL. Trent and McGahee did not. Is it because of the OL, or the RB? Baker averaged 4 yards/carry and Obi averaged 4.9 yards/per. That's very good.

Last year we threw the ball more than any other team in the NFL. The most. You aren't going to gain many yards on the ground when that happens.

In 2012, we averaged 4 yards/carry. Again, we did not run the ball a great deal, but we were effective.

I am not concerned with leading the league in rushing. I am more concerned with being able to run the ball when we want to. The WCO typically throws in place of a lot of run plays. I do want to be able to run the ball when we want to bleed clock to win games. I think that we can do that with our top 3 RB and this OL as currently constructed.


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I can't see it with Pettine talking up Hoyer as much as he has.

Sure it might of been smokescreen to try to get our QB. But if you talk a guy up, then trade him to start a rookie, you're asking for Locker room troubles.




I agree and just was throwing it out there as a question reaching to connect some dots. Off the field and locker room questions will be there until he becomes the starter. Just comes with the territory of Johnny Football.

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Quarterback Competition.

Favoring the backup.

The Fans

and

Johnny

Can put a stop to it if they want to.

We can choose to not be idiots. We can decide to not act like jerks if Brian has a few bad series of downs. We can choose not to threaten coaches lives, their families, their dogs, etc.... (as we have been accused of in the past). We can choose to be classy and be patient. Cleveland can change. If we do, there may be a Lombardi in the trophy case in the next few years.

Stop creating middle school girl drama when there isn't any.

Don't do it. Don't get sucked into it.

As of today my two favorite quarterbacks in the world are Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel. All the best to both of them. Lead my Browns. Winning IS important, very important. May not be the only thing, but in Cleveland right now, improving and winning are the two most important things. Let the competition begin! Let it be healthy and passionate! Not dysfunctional and idiotic. Don't give the haters any ammo. Has Seattle ever booed their own players? Cheered when they were injured? Just sayin.

The ratbirds and steelroids are shaking right now. They are and you know it.

Just read the leprechuns blog.

Ray, Mike, and Jimmy. I for one didn't want a milk toast, easy going, reserved, level headed quarterback. I like the most passionate, firey, ballsy, cocky, independent, winning sob I've ever seen in the game, quarterbacking my team. I think that is one of the few things that may actually turn this thing around. Ray, own this pick. He's short, he's skinny, got bad shoulders, disobeys rules, dates racy women, runs when geniuses say he shouldn't, has problems with his complexion, is overconfident, blah, blah, blah...

Just wait.

Tim Couch couldn't manage his girlfriend, how could he manage a huddle? Brady Quinn -- he's pretty. Charlie, Colt, and Weeden -- tough, ballsy, oops nevermind.... You guys made the right choice. Don't apologize to anyone.

The Browns and Cleveland deserve the best. We've paid our dues. Mike, starting coachin em up! We've got the talent, do we have the coaching? Do we have the coaching necessary?

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Well Mr. Farmer this is your draft.

The Mission Statement in the Halls of Berea was "Find a Quarterback".

You and your staff looked at them all. All were available to you. Bortles was selected third but if you really wanted him you may have been able to trade for him.

So after a thirty year study Manziel is the pick. I sure hope you are right.

Bridgewater goes to the Vikings. Carr goes to Oakland.

And low and behold Garopollo goes to the Pats. Belichick strikes again?

The rest of the draft is business as usual. Build your draft board and take the best player available. Hopefully need intersects BPA.

But let's be real here. This draft will be defined by the professional careers of the quarterbacks selected. More specifically for the Browns by how Johnny Manziel turns out in comparison to others selected.

I will now become a Johnny Manziel fan but I would never have drafted him.

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I am really, really torn on Manziel.

He has great wheels, a solid arm, exceptional leadership skills, and can put the ball precisely where he wants to. He seems to understand how to throw from the posket, and despite his size gets very few passes knocked down at the LOS.

He also is one of the shortest QBs ever ..... hasn't had to read the whole field ever ...... runs way too much to survive in the NFL, and puts too many balls up for grabs to succeed in the NFL. He also seems to struggle throwing against the blitz.

All of the QBs in this draft have question marks. I could see a couple of the other QBs winding up being "OK", as is in spot starters, maybe backups ..... and perhaps even maybe a starter on a team that is loaded with talent ala Alex Smith. I don't know if any of the more traditional type QBs will ever be upper level guys.

I think that Manziel is either going to be a truly great QB, or a train wreck. I don't think that there is much chance of him being "OK".


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I love the Manziel pick. The cb and OG in the first two rounds were decent. After that, I was very disappointed in the draft picks. We reached and gave up draft picks for guys who were not worthy. Blah.

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IDK Vers

Desir we got in the 4th, 2nd round grade no picks given up

West we got late third , 3rd round grade gave up a 6th to move up

Kirksey agree here got in 3rd round 4th /5th round grade, did we give up anything for him?

so one reach, one pick given up.plus we traded a 7th for 6th next year.. pretty much a meh move , can argue decent value I guess.


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Transcript: Ray Farmer Post Draft Press Conference
May 10, 2014 11:12 PM

Related Tags: Cleveland Browns, Johnny Manziel, Josh Gordon, NFL Draft, Ray Farmer
Opening statement:
“I apologize for the delay, but thanks for waiting around. It’s been a long three days, but I wanted to say it’s an exciting time. Everyone is always excited for the draft and what happens. I also wanted to say Happy Mother’s Day to all of the mothers, my mom in particular, as well, (Browns executive assistant, player personnel) Debbie Kruszynski, my assistant, several other moms out there, Mary Kay (Cabot) Happy Mother’s Day. If I missed anyone else, Happy Mother’s Day. Excited for the draft, and it’s good to have the process complete.”

On how much better the Browns are following the draft:
“I’m better. The team is better. We feel like we went into this draft and we acquired players that we thought could help our roster, and we’re excited about that. They all seem to have Play Like a Brown attributes, and we’re excited to get those young men here, coach them up and move the team forward.”

On if the Browns believed Teddy Bridgewater was the best quarterback in the draft class, referencing reports about an analytics study:
“We do a lot of studies. We do have an analytics department. There’s a lot of pieces of information that come out of those things. Some of the things that I think people hear and read about lead people in the wrong direction as to what conclusions can be made from the information we gather. Nonetheless, we chose (Browns QB) Johnny Manziel because we had an opportunity to get a player that we really liked and we really wanted.”

On believing in analytics for player evaluation:
“I am. I went to Duke, so I’m a nerd by trait. I do like the numbers. A lot of my buddies around the league call me a stats guy. I’ve made a lot of decisions based upon what guys have done, and you can tell in their production through numbers and through obviously the tape-watching and other aspects that help you hone in and make a right decision.”

On a message to fans ‘panicking’ because the Browns didn’t draft a wide receiver:
“I would tell the fans that are in panic mode because we didn’t draft a wide receiver that patience really tells the tale. Like I said, there’s plenty of opportunity for us to address what everyone would believe is a need, but in our opinion, again, there’s plenty of opportunity to add players, to change the roster and really make a difference.
“I’d like to ask everybody here one question, as well. How many of the receivers that were with the Seattle Seahawks during their entire season last year and through the beginning of the playoffs were drafted players?
“(Seahawks WR Golden Tate) was out for a considerable amount of time, but the vast majority of those guys were not drafted. There’s definitely an opportunity to play with and identify talented players that can help your football team.”

On agreeing that the 2014 NFL Draft had a deep pool of wide receivers:
“I did, and I still do. Again, when you look at the number of wide receivers that were drafted and when they were drafted, I would tell you that we made the decisions that we made because we really valued the players that we got at a certain point. When, in our opinion, the most talented of that group was surpassed, we weren’t in a position to take the top-rated guys we had on our board; those guys had already been drafted. To that end, we took the players that we thought best helped our football team at different positions.”

On if running his first draft felt differently compared to past drafts, and if he expected to be a ‘wheeler-dealer’:
“I didn’t think I’d be a wheeler-dealer, that’s for certain. I got a lot of interesting feedback from my constituents around the league as to the amount of trades and moving that we did. With that being said, I do think it was different. The room was different. For me, the aura of the room was different. How we conducted our business was different, and more so to fit my personality. I felt good about where we were. I felt good about keeping the process intact, and I think that’s really what we focused on was sticking to our process, the involvement of the people that were in the room and keeping everybody abreast of why we were doing what we were doing.”

On if he has any regrets regarding the draft:
“I don’t know if I have any regrets, but I will say that – I said this the other night – I always have remorse when players that I feel in love with during the process get selected in a way that I didn’t have a chance to get them.”

On how Browns draft choices have a chance to start in 2014:
“I will tell you this – and this is really (Browns Head) Coach Pett (Mike Pettine), it’s his decision of who’s going to play – but I do believe that the players that we added to this football team will give themselves a chance to compete. That’s really what we wanted to do, improve the quality of the depth on this football team and give guys that we thought had a chance to be starters and whether that’s Day 1, Day 2, that’ll remain to be seen. Everybody will have to earn their respect and their responsibilities to be a starter in the National Football League.”

On the Browns opinion of Bridgewater, and if the team altered its strategy when Manziel wasn’t selected by the Cowboys at No. 16 overall:
“In the first part of the question, Teddy Bridgewater definitely was a young man that I definitely liked the person. I thought he was a really good college player. I thought he did a lot of positive things. I’m happy for him that he landed in the first round and went to Minnesota. Congratulations to him, and I wish him the best of luck in his career.
“With regards to our decision-making process and how we would have looked at Johnny Manziel, we paid attention to where we were in the draft, what teams’ needs, if you will, were and where the opportunities were for him to go. We monitored those situations, and when we felt like we had an opportunity to get him, we took him. There was a bundle of names of players that we were constantly kind of keeping our eye on throughout the middle of that round. When we had an opportunity to take Johnny, we made the decision that he was the guy that we wanted and we made that choice.”

On if Browns Owner Jimmy Haslam influenced the QB Johnny Manziel pick:
“I can tell you with 100 percent certainty that Jimmy Haslam at no point demanded, requested or tried to influence the process in any way. He definitely asked questions. He’ll definitely give his opinion of what he thinks and all of those things are fine, but at the end of the day he trusted the football staff to make the decisions that we thought were the right decisions for this football team.”

On which QB selected in the draft is most ready to start in the NFL now:
“I’d say that when you look at the process and you say those guys, again there was a general belief that there was a top-tier guy and I would say all of those guys have an opportunity to start early. It’s up to each individual club as to when those guys will actually play and contribute. Their preparation and their ability to perform and start now, I would tell you that’s a hard projection because you never know how quickly a guy is going to absorb all the information that he is given. In my own mind, I always look at the college game like it’s checkers. I don’t think it’s very complicated in a lot of situations. Coaches don’t have the time and the commitment to put in the resources like we do, so they play a different brand of ball than the NFL is. It’s going to be hard for me to say that this guy was more prepared than that guy. It’s really going to be, who can process the most information the quickest.”

On if the team was close to trading up with Tennessee for the 11th pick:
“We definitely called. We called Tennessee. We spent time calling a lot of clubs, from Tennessee all the way back to Philadelphia, so we monitored the phones. We made phone calls and from my perspective, there was a bundle of players that we were interested in, so again, there were definitely thoughts and ideas of who was coming to us, what player could we get and one of the tenants a lot of people I think operate under during the course of the draft is that there’s pods of players that you like. And as those pods of players start to run out, you may lose a guy that you truly, truly covet. Then you better make a move for the one that you want or you may miss him. To that end, we worked through the process, we found a guy that we like and when the opportunity came, we jumped on it.”

On completing five trades over the draft and if that should be expected in the future:
“I still think it was predicated on the player that’s available. As you saw, there were times in the draft where we didn’t do anything. We just sat in our spot and took our pick. There were other times where we felt we were going to miss out if we don’t make something happen so we took the liberty to do those things. Again, that’s a part of the process and procedure. I will tell you that it was more determining each situation based upon the players that we liked and where we were at that point in time.”

On if he envisions DB Justin Gilbert as a returner:
“I will tell you right now that’s truly Mike’s (Pettine) decision. I do think we have people that are here that can also be dynamic returners. Again, I’d be remised if I said Justin Gilbert is going to come in and be the starting kickoff returner, punt returner, etcetera. But he is a tremendous talent when you get the ball in his hands. How they decide to use him will be a coaching decision.”

On if he has any more clarity on WR Josh Gordon’s situation:
“I do not. Again, I know it’s frustrating for a lot of people not to have information and it seems like we’re somehow avoiding the topic. The reality is that, to some degree my hands are tied for what I can say. There’s really nothing I can contribute to this conversation other than, I have no comment or I will add clarity when there is clarity.”

On what he would say to the fans who feel the Gordon situation overshadowed all the good from the draft:
“I would say that frustration is a natural part of it and I think that’s what was felt and heard when that announcement was made. I don’t fault the fans for their reaction to it. I don’t fault anyone for being disappointed. To that end, it’s our job to make those decisions less painful and in time, it’s no different than if a player was going out there in the offseason and broke an ankle or tore an ACL playing pickup hoops or doing something different. We have to build a football team that can win regardless of whose missing and I think that’s the charge that we have. I think that’s my job, coach Pettine’s job, is to prepare this football team no matter who’s missing.”

On the feedback he received from his colleagues during the draft:
“Trader Ray became the call as I would answer the telephone. It was definitely interesting to hear friends and colleagues call and say, ‘Is Trader Ray available?’ Specifically as the draft moved on and there were opportunities for us to move back, I think that people just naturally assumed that because we had been so active the first couple of days that we’d be eager to move around even more as the draft moved on.”

On if he thinks he got to draft Terrance West just before the Baltimore Ravens who were reportedly interested in him:
“I believe I got to Terrance West just before somebody got to Terrance West. I don’t know who specifically, but there was definitely the feeling that, the term we like to use in our draft room is ‘murderer’s row.’ When murderer’s row comes up, you’re going to lose the guys that you want. There were several instances throughout the draft where we referred to pods of teams that could take players that we were interested in. As we saw those pods of teams coming up, we felt it was advantageous for us to move in front of those teams.”

On if he traded up to the 22nd pick because he thought the team selecting 23rd might take Johnny Manziel:
“Again, interestingly enough, there were pods of teams that we thought were trying to move in front of us. Strategically, there was a lot of conversation about that before the draft. Because we had the two first-round picks, depending on how things fell early, there was the notion that other teams would try to move in front of us with the assumption that we would pick a quarterback at 26. That’s what the assumption was from the general public. Those pieces of information definitely helped us make a determination strategically for how we wanted to approach that pick in that circumstance that we were in.”

On if he thinks Terrance West was the steal of the draft for him:
“I’m really excited to have him. I don’t know if I’d call it a steal. I do think this was a deep draft to kind of go back to one of the comments before. We’re fortunate enough to have the young man and I do think he has a chance to help our football team improve.”

On how he felt going into the draft and if the process unfolded as he expected:
“I would say for me, procedurally, we tried to stick with our core philosophy of how we wanted to operate. It’s truly our belief as an organization, and it’s not just me, there’s a room full of people that help to contribute to making the decisions that we make. As we go through our processes and we talk about the different things that are important to us as an organization, I think it went the way we had planned for it to go. Could I have told you that I was going to trade, move up or back or slide around? No, I couldn’t have told you that a week before the draft. I couldn’t have told you that the morning of the first day. Inevitably, things happen. You’ve got to be reactionary to some degree. That’s really what the draft is predicated on, trying to identify the players that you like and getting the guys that you really think can improve your football team.”

On his nerves heading into his first draft as general manager:
“I really don’t think I was nervous. I worked through the process. For me, I’m not really an up-and-down guy. I’m pretty, I’m not going to use the word laissez-faire, but I’m pretty calm the majority of the time. I wouldn’t say I was nervous. I would probably say I had more nerves playing sports than doing what I do now. To make the football analogy, it felt like before every game I played, I always had butterflies no matter how old I was. I don’t think I’m in that same position anymore.”

On his plan for the wide receiver position:
“I think I’ve tried to articulate my game plan, it’s that there are plenty of opportunities. There will be college free agents. There will be other receivers to move off of rosters depending on whom they selected. There will be opportunities to make trades based upon how teams look at their rosters once they’ve had a chance to evaluate the young men that they’ve drafted or picked up as college free agents. All of those strategies and all of those opportunities, there will be moments that we can add more talent to our roster. When those opportunities present themselves, we hope to strike.”

On his preference for adding new players:
“I would tell you that I don’t have a favorite. It doesn’t matter to me if you find the guy via trade, if you find him via he’s on the street. We just want people that can come in, compete to be starters on this football team and improve the overall talent on the roster.”

On if he thinks the receiver situation has to improve:
“I think you always look to improve. I understand the word ‘need’, everyone feels that there is this need, I would definitely go back to the comment or question I asked before about Seattle. It’s that you find players when you give players the opportunity to contribute. There are names that people don’t recognize yet. There are names that people don’t know. There are players that people don’t recognize as being good players until they’re given the opportunity. When they’re given those opportunities, they demonstrate they can execute at the level we need them to and some become household names, some become general contributors to a roster. Victor Cruz came out and I don’t know how many people would have said Victor Cruz is Victor Cruz until he demonstrated he was Victor Cruz. From our perspective, we’re going to continue to give guys an opportunity to contribute and demonstrate what they can do.”

On how good Browns WR Greg Little can be:
“The young man’s talented. The question mark would then fall onto can he be consistent and do the things that he has physically demonstrated he can do at times. If he continues to do those things and add a level of consistency, the difference between being good and great is consistency. That’s really the difference. When a guy shows you he can do anything, he shows you he can jump up and make the one-handed catch, he shows you he can break a tackle, the question then is can he repeatedly do that over and over again. That’s the difference between being average or marginal, and good or great.”

On he was surprised that the Dallas Cowboys didn’t take Manziel with their pick:
“I don’t know that I was surprised as much as I was happy.”

On if the Cowboys’ potential to select Manziel was why the Browns discussed a trade with the Titans:
“I think there were multiple teams that I thought had the chance to take Johnny. We worked through kind of trying to track and see where teams exactly were. You never really know who is going to make that pick when it’s their time to make that pick. That’s what I said before when I said there are players that I hoped or I thought may slide to us that they got gobbled up. As much as you look at your board and you think, ‘Man, this guy has a chance to be here in the second round; this guy has a chance to be here in the third round,’ and then you look at your board like, ‘Man.’ It’s like Battleship. Guys start plucking off and you’re like, ‘Man, they got me. There’s no one left at the level that I wanted them,’ when it’s your turn to pick. It’s funny; I texted another team today and I was like, ‘Battleship. You got me.’ I put B-17 or I put a number down and I was like, ‘You sank my battleship.’ They got me. They got me.”

On if it’s difficult to handle Manziel’s celebrity as a rookie quarterback:
“I don’t think that it’s difficult to handle. I think that you have to have a game plan and a strategy. Like I said when we drafted Johnny, he does have celebrity he’s a polarizing type of personality to some degree or the legend of Johnny Football, if you will. People have created this swell around him, and part of our job is going to help him deal with that in a professional manner. I’ve had conversations with him; I know others have had conversations with him. He’s maturing in a way that, hopefully, he’s going to learn how to deal with these things on his own, and he won’t need anyone to help him guide the ship. Nonetheless, I think that’s part of my role, that’s part of our role as an organization is to help these guys truly become pros. None of them have been pros, and now it’s not just our job for Johnny but for every person on this team to develop professionalism on how they approach the game, how they approach their work habits, how they come in here every day and demonstrate their talents.”

On explaining to fans his philosophy in prioritizing another position over a ‘franchise quarterback’:
“I would say that in trying to find a player for a football team – again, good question – our core process philosophies generally focus around building the team. I understand franchise quarterback and I understand what all of these terms kind of insinuate, but the reality for us is that we need players that can help us win football games. There are very few teams that have a quarterback that does truly everything; he makes everyone better; he does everything the way that you want. To that end, it’s about building the team. That’s what we want to do. Sometimes, there are players that you think you can get, and then that comes down to strategy and the strategic plan for how you plan to approach to draft or how you plan to approach even free agency. For us, it’s a plan of, ‘Look, I can get this other player in a week from now, but I need to focus all my energies on this other player Day 1.’ It’s not a slight on anyone’s abilities; it’s a strategic plan for what you think you need to focus your energies on to get the best results for both options.”

On if there was a moment of emotion, excitement and celebration for the Browns after selecting Gilbert or Manziel, referring to his and Pettine’s stoic nature last night:
“It was generally business the whole time, but I can tell you whether it was Justin, whether it was Johnny, whether it was Pierre, whether it was Terrance or whether it was Joel, we high-fived and jumped up and down like we had won the Super Bowl after every pick. We were excited about the players that we got. Now, the fact that we came down here, wiped away the smiles and sat up here and seemed stoic, yeah, I think that’s just part of trying to be calm about the circumstance of the situation and not be over-elated by the players that we got, but we were definitely excited by the players we drafted.”

On reacting to the Rams selecting DE Michael Sam:
“I don’t know if I have any reaction other than congratulations to the young man for getting drafted. Obviously, watching the TV and following the circumstances, he was overcome with emotion, but I was definitely happy for him and seeing his jubilation for being drafted into the National Football League.”

On if the Browns would have signed Sam as an undrafted-free agent if not selected:
“He might not have been on our list. Again, he might not have been a scheme fit for us, to be honest. We play a little bit differently than some teams. How we have our roster structured right now and really the depth we have at the OB position, or the outside linebacker position, I don’t know that he would have been one of our first primary calls just based upon the players that we currently have on our roster and what that would have been for us moving forward.”
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Normally, I end the draft questioning the ability of the Browns to draft anything.

This year the positives

Gilbert was a bonus as Manziel was taken about where he should have been. To be honest, I did not want the drama of Johnny Football, but so be it. My QB would have been Garapolo.

I liked the selection of Bitonio, although a WR would have made sense at the spot given the Gordon Drama.

I am fine with the West Selection. And the Desir Selection.

I have no clue about Kirksey, but I think he has one thing to do, be a third down cover linebacker. I think there was a better option. The Browns were weak on third down last year.

Well, we have two more first rounders for this year. I would have been shopping that pick for a WR in the second.

Not really happy about coming away with only 6 players. Obviously the board must have been picked clean for the Browns to trade the 7th.

So aside from the head scratcher with Kirksey, and the picks set aside for next year. the draft was rational. I can't say that I have viewed the same for other years.

Now go find a WR if Gordon is gone.


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I have no idea how this draft will pan out but here are some initial thoughts:

- Arguably drafted the best cornerback, quarterback, guard (ZBS, anyway) with the first three picks WHILE adding a 2015 first rounder from a team that could very well be picking top five overall next year.

- Didn't adjust their draft plan with the news of Gordon. Some will say that's good and some will say it's bad. I'm not sure what to think right now. I understand not letting one person change your entire approach, but I also get why you need to address the WR position. The cupboard may now be bare with elite talent, we just drafted a QB who could very well start week one, and he will need weapons. I know one thing, Jordan Cameron may have just been given some added leverage in contract negotiations.

- I don't like trading within the division. We did it again this year. Maybe the consolation prize is that it's just a 7th rounder and the guy the Ravens wanted may not even make the squad but I don't like giving a rival a player they moved up for.

- People are complaining about giving up draft picks, I actually am ok with it when they're used for getting a rookie you rate high and covet....and when it's not giving up too much, which I don't think it was. Farmer targeted players and didn't mess around or tried to be cute. I like that approach-- GO GET THE GUY(S) YOU WANT-- Farmer just better be right in the end.

- At this point in time it's more than fair to think Kirksey was a reach in the third round. I actually expected us to get a ILB at this spot but thought it would be Borland or Skov. Was a tad surprised because I know nothing about the guy. I think Pettine (or at least his scheme) played a role in this selection. Hopefully he works out but thought there were better players on the clock at ILB at the time.

- I feel like we potentially have four starters day one based on how Manziel plays early and because of holes needed to be filled (i.e. Kirskey). A lot of analysts said he could be used in sub packages and Pettine does that a lot, I just know Roberston's performance last year warranted a starter upgrade..it could be him. I see Gilbert at CB#2, Bitonio at RG/LG, Manziel if he beats out Hoyer, and again, Kirksey if he can play better than Robertson.

- I also like that we drafted a couple CBs. With Skrine and Haden in contract years (although I expect Haden to re-sign) we addressed a critical piece to Pettine's defensive approach (tons of cover CBs) and added significant depth to that unit. You can never have enough CBs.

- We also have possibly transformed the RB unit by adding West and Crowell as an UDFA.

At least on paper, I think this was a good draft but we won't know for some time. I like the players selected, the positions addressed, and of course getting a first round pick in 2015. Possibly four starters, a solid back-up RB to Tate, and some good value in the UDFA ranks.


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Cleveland started the weekend with 10 draft choices. Browns drafted 6 players. Used exactly one in the original slot: 35, to Joel Bitonio.




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I'm on board with mostly all of your comments, Memphis, except the one above. Although he wasn't a "name" player, I believe he was selected in the ballpark where he was expected to go...


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Cleveland started the weekend with 10 draft choices. Browns drafted 6 players. Used exactly one in the original slot: 35, to Joel Bitonio.




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That is completely inaccurate.

Pick 35 original
Pick 71 original
Pock 127 Colts pick that banner picked up last year.

If you lead with the premise that we started with 10 picks, you cannot count 127 as not staying in the same spot.

10 picks

3 were in the same spot we started with on May 7, 2014.

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Looking at any draft it is not just the picks you made. It is also the picks you could have made.

I can understand the the first pick (the trade down/up). Farmer helping his coach get a player that fits what he wants to do and addressing a need.

However, I disagree with the decision. The Browns were 27th in scoring. They were aware of the Gordon situation. They could have selected the best receiver in the draft. (addressing a need with the BPA.)

Who can bring the biggest impact? Gilbert or Watkins.

Make no mistake this draft will be defined by the success or failure of Manziel versus the quarterbacks the Browns could have selected.

Selecting Manziel over Bridgewater and giving up a third rounder in my mind is colossal mistake. I hope I am dead wrong but that is the way I see it. As I said I am now a Manziel fan.


Bitonio over Lee? We shall see how that pans out.

Kirksey an OLB over Chris Borland a ILB? How many OLB's do we have?

In the end analysis from where I sit I am really disappointed. We could have put this team on the map with the best quarterback in the draft and the best receiver. We went a different direction. Defensively we have invested plenty in the recent past. We could have made the offense something special. We didn't.

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Kirksey an OLB over Chris Borland a ILB? How many OLB's do we have?




Kirksey is an ILB in a 3-4/4-2-5 scheme.


you had a good run Hank.
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Looking at any draft it is not just the picks you made. It is also the picks you could have made.

I can understand the the first pick (the trade down/up). Farmer helping his coach get a player that fits what he wants to do and addressing a need.

However, I disagree with the decision. The Browns were 27th in scoring. They were aware of the Gordon situation. They could have selected the best receiver in the draft. (addressing a need with the BPA.)

Who can bring the biggest impact? Gilbert or Watkins.

Make no mistake this draft will be defined by the success or failure of Manziel versus the quarterbacks the Browns could have selected.

Selecting Manziel over Bridgewater and giving up a third rounder in my mind is colossal mistake. I hope I am dead wrong but that is the way I see it. As I said I am now a Manziel fan.


Bitonio over Lee? We shall see how that pans out.

Kirksey an OLB over Chris Borland a ILB? How many OLB's do we have?

In the end analysis from where I sit I am really disappointed. We could have put this team on the map with the best quarterback in the draft and the best receiver. We went a different direction. Defensively we have invested plenty in the recent past. We could have made the offense something special. We didn't.




I couldn't have said it better. Only time will tell but I share your opinion.


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What's to say that we take Watkins and he busts? there are no guarantees. Watkins could bust out, Johnny Manziel becomes our SB MVP, Gilbert has a key interception and Tate runs behind Joel Bitonio for the winning TD..

Ok,, STOP LAUGHING....It could happen..


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They were aware of the Gordon situation. They could have selected the best receiver in the draft. (addressing a need with the BPA.)




I wanted Watkins too, however as someone else pointed out their not the same type of WR. We have Hawkins now. Watkins is not a outside type of WR like Gordon is. You can believe that we would have gotten Watkins if we thought that was the one who would replace JG. Of course there are things we don't about, could be reasons we shied away.

We could have had TB without a trade up. So, whats that say about TB? Every Team also passed on the "best" QB. I think the media hype pulled the wool over everybody's eyes on that one.


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When a fellow GM drafted a player the Browns were thinking of taking, Farmer would text: “B-17 . . . You sunk my battleship.”




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Comments like the above is something I found unique about Farmer.

Every GM I've ever heard after the draft has always spoke of each pick as exactly the guy they wanted all along. "Well, what else could he say?", some would respond. But Farmer told it like it is: there were players he had targeted but someone else beat him to it for one reason or another.

To me it was refreshing to hear some realism from a GM.

He said many things like that in his two post draft pressers on the main site.


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Comments like the above is something I found unique about Farmer.

Every GM I've ever heard after the draft has always spoke of each pick as exactly the guy they wanted all along. "Well, what else could he say?", some would respond. But Farmer told it like it is: there were players he had targeted but someone else beat him to it for one reason or another.

To me it was refreshing to hear some realism from a GM.

He said many things like that in his two post draft pressers on the main site.




Now you have to wonder, did he send that text to the Jags GM after pick 3...


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Comments like that make me think Evans was the target in the trade down.

Gilbert was next. When it appeared we might not get either we had to trade back up to ensure we didn't walk away without one of a handful of guys we absolutely had to have.

I found his candor refreshing as well. Plus the insight to communications among the teams was interesting.


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Comments like the above is something I found unique about Farmer.

Every GM I've ever heard after the draft has always spoke of each pick as exactly the guy they wanted all along. "Well, what else could he say?", some would respond. But Farmer told it like it is: there were players he had targeted but someone else beat him to it for one reason or another.

To me it was refreshing to hear some realism from a GM.

He said many things like that in his two post draft pressers on the main site.




I found his honest candor to be refreshing as well.


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I just want to say at last we seem to have a good GM. IMO he has improved every position either through the draft or free agency. Yes I believe we still have 3 positions I am not convinced about (WR, ILB and QB), they were holes before Farmer came on board. But wow the rest of the team is looking so strong.

Its just exciting to know finally we seem to have a competent GM.

Two thumbs up to Farmer.

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Two thumbs up to Farmer.




Looks that way, he had a plan and stuck with it, I like that


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Its just exciting to know finally we seem to have a competent GM.

Two thumbs up to Farmer.




Looks that way, he had a plan and stuck with it, I like that





Couldn't agree more with both of you!


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Its just exciting to know finally we seem to have a competent GM.

Two thumbs up to Farmer.




Looks that way, he had a plan and stuck with it, I like that





Couldn't agree more with both of you!




Not to forget, before we all are so quick to bash Haslam; he was the one who made the very contriversial move of canning Banner and Lombardi to hire Ray Farmer as the GM when it was believed that he was close a deal to become the GM of the Dolphins.

Oh, what a loss that would have been!


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Not sure where to post this, but according to PFF's Top 101 players in 2013, the Browns have 6 of their Top 100 on the roster, adding Dansby and Whitner (minus Ward, who's also on the list) to Mack, Haden, Gordon and Thomas

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/12/pffs-top-101-of-2013-101-to-91/

Could have been a couple more if we drafted Trufant instead of Mingo (or signed CB Lewis, who I was screaming for and got a cheap deal from the Saints) and drafted Mathieu instead of 2nd year roster bubble McFadden.

Oh well, still a lot to work with for Farmer and Pettine


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I continue to be impressed by Ray Farmer. Consider that since January he has retained core veterans, remained disciplined during the draft, made a great trade to further build the team in the 2015 draft, orchestrated a very solid draft, IMO and been resourceful to shore up the WR position. This has been Farmer's doing.

Some among us like to substitute our judgement for professionals who run pro sports organizations for a living. That's their right. I don't quibble with one move or another. Instead I'm taking the macro view.

On paper the team is better today than it was at the end of last season even with the looming Gordon suspension. Talent upgrade in the secondary, overhaul of the RB depth, upgrade of the OL with youth, veteran presence and versatility. An obvious synergy with the HC and a shared vision for where they want to take this team.

Of course the ultimate judgement is winning. So at this point no definitive evaluation can be made. In spite of that I see a team moving incrementally closer to that goal.

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