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He entered into the second policy because of how he did in college or something.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/5593/gordon-suspension-would-cost-browns-dearlyBEREA, Ohio -- Cleveland Browns fans could not even celebrate for 24 hours. Less than a day after fans exulted at the team's selection of Johnny Manziel with the 22nd pick in the NFL draft, news broke via ESPN's "Outside the Lines" that standout wide receiver Josh Gordon faces a one-year suspension for failing a drug test. The report said Gordon failed a test for marijuana. Gordon was suspended for the first two games of last season for another failed test, which he attributed to codeine in a prescription cough syrup. A letter was sent to Gordon in late April informing him of the suspension and telling him he had the right to appeal, OTL's report said. Incredible. On March 27, Gordon visited the ESPN offices in Bristol, Connecticut, where he conducted several interviews. One was on the phone with me, during which he talked about many topics related to his career, including his potential for greatness and his status in the NFL's drug program. Asked if he was walking a tightrope in terms of being in Stage 3 of the program, which means another failure would result in a 12-month calendar suspension, Gordon said, "I’ve been dealing with it since the suspension. I'm going at things full speed. Trying to keep my head down and out of the way." He said having the game taken away from him was a "humbling" experience that brought him back "down to earth." "Now you tend to not take as many things for granted," Gordon said, adding, "You change as a person for the better." He added about his future: "The only thing that can keep me from achieving any of that [greatness] is myself. "I don’t want to revert back to any kind of negative way or negative behavior," he said. "There’s no roof on potential." The Browns knew they were walking a tightrope with Gordon. They took him in the second round of the supplemental draft even though he had failed three drug tests in college: two at Baylor and one at Utah. They also knew of Gordon’s positive tests on the first day of the 2014 draft (per ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio), meaning they followed their plan even though they did not take a receiver to replace Gordon. If Gordon is suspended -- and rarely do these reports come out for no reason -- Gordon would have let the Browns, and himself, down in a huge way. The team faces 2014 without its biggest playmaker and key to the team. In 14 games last season, Gordon set a team record and led the NFL with 1,646 receiving yards. He had 87 catches with nine touchdowns. Now, Gordon would be banned from the league for one year, then could reapply for reinstatement after that year. Teams have overcome the loss of players to injury and suspension. It happens. But the Browns must deal with the on-field loss of a player who was on the verge of stardom, as well as the psychological blow of losing him less than 24 hours after taking Manziel. It's almost beyond the pale of legitimate torment for any loyal fan base.
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I'd be willing to bet that Gordon is in Stage Three.
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I'm in wait ~n~ see mode. However it's not looking good. However, I'm not going to let this derail my good feel. If true, it may be time to move on from Gordon. Why should we think he will not indulge again. Is it a big crime in my mind (smoking pot)- no not at all. However, there comes a time when beating the system is not in the best interest of the bigger picture. What blows me away is he has been out front all off season, this caught me off guard as I really thought he got it. Rather than being disappointed w/ the FO for not addressing WR in the draft, I commend them for sticking to their plan 
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I like to think I am probably wrong. The alternative is that the media is completely incompetent.
But the policy follows a pretty obvious step by step. A 4 game suspension followed by a 6 game suspension. How Gordon is supposed to be leap frogging the 6 game suspension is currently beyond me.
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jc We as Brown fans are the most tortured fans ever. The bad is all we get, and what good that comes - has something bad following it. Just when I started pimping Gordon and thinking he's all grown up for all the interviews and etc I've watched and listened to. I suppose not. 
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if anyone is shocked about this they are foolish. more worried about haden. pretty sure his next is 8 games and the PED thing doesn't go away?
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But the policy follows a pretty obvious step by step. A 4 game suspension followed by a 6 game suspension. How Gordon is supposed to be leap frogging the 6 game suspension is currently beyond me.
You can come into the league in the program, up to Stage Two, I believe.
So, hypothetically, let's say Gordon came into the league in Stage 1.
Fails the first test, Stage Two.
Fails the second test, suspension and Stage Three.
Fails the third test, one year suspension.
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I like to think I am probably wrong. The alternative is that the media is completely incompetent.
But the policy follows a pretty obvious step by step. A 4 game suspension followed by a 6 game suspension. How Gordon is supposed to be leap frogging the 6 game suspension is currently beyond me.
A post I made a while back in the old Gordon suspended two games thread: https://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php?...rue#Post1051986
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Nobody enters the league in stage two of the program. It's somewhat unclear whether he was automatically entered into stage one of the program or not. You can read the policy for yourself but we are almost certainly looking at 2, maybe even 3, violations of the policy since he entered the NFL.
http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010%20Drug%20Policy.pdf
Start at page 11 Entrance into the intervention stages if you are short on time (from 2010: the new CBA has a reference that the substance abuse policy from 2010 stays in effect)
Stage two does break down into two possible failed tests and the penalty for each is determined by whether or not stage one was successfully completed (not going to summarize the entire policy) and the first failed test is either 4 game fine or 4 game suspension, and the second failed test is either 4 or 6 game suspension, depending on what the first punishment was. Stage two itself is either fine > 4 game suspension or 4 game suspension > 6 game suspension. The two game suspension + 2 game fine seems to be a lesser punishment but is based on a first or second violation while in stage two? I guess the best (worst?) way to find out will be if he is suspended again, and whether it is still stage two and a 6 game suspension or stage three banishment from the league with opportunity to apply for re-instatement after 1 year will tell us what we need to know.
Hopefully it doesn't get to that point. And I wish the NFL could release more info too but by understanding the policy, you can deduce some of the information for yourself. Just realize that the player can say literally anything he wants in relation to violations of the PEDs or substances policies and the NFL can't refute it. There is a $500,000 fine or something ridiculous for those types of confidentiality violations.
Only now instead of 2-3 failed tests/noncooperations, it's 3-4. And given the year suspension, probably 4. Maybe 5 or more if he wasn't automatically entered into stage one of the program and/or that stage was completed/erased early in his career. That's not counting any of the failed tests in college. Dude has a problem.
You might be misunderstanding the punishment for the first failed test in stage two, which does not automatically trigger a suspension.
So it most likely went something like this -->
- POSSIBLY already entered into stage one of the program upon entering NFL-- not sure about this
- failed test in stage one
- two failed tests in stage two, the latter of which triggered the two game suspension this year
- failed test while in stage three, year suspension
As said before, it could easily be more based on a couple other details. Hard to believe, but that's how I'm reading the policy and applying what we know.
edit: reading through the policy again, I suppose it possible that he was put into stage one for behavioral reasons (still not sure if failed college tests apply), and then advanced to stage two for further behavioral reasons. In that case it could be as little as 3 failed tests while in the NFL, and quite possibly more. There's obviously more to this than what we're getting.
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I was waiting for this. If true, he is a dumbass. He could have a hall of fame career. But, some people are just fools.
The thing that bothers me, is how it gets released now. Why would the NFL put this out in the middle of the draft? The timing is suspect and reeks of pay back, or some grudge thing. I wonder if some of Lombardi's buddies sat on this until now to take the wind out of Brown's fans.
It's probably true, but what can you do? I like that they are staying on course with the draft. IMO, it's Gordon's loss.
I would like to add, that above I read a couple post referring to the Rooney's not letting this kind of thing happen. What BS. Santonio Holmes was caught and confessed, and the Rooneys got him off.
I'm sick of people holding the Rooney's up as clean and straight laced. They have had players shooting at police helicopters and used their power to make it disappear. They are not the saints everyone makes them out to be.
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Gosh #%^*^€£*>!!! Damn it !!! What the €£¥**^%#!! $&@87@&$ is he thinking?!!!! I can't believe Gordon did this again!! He knew this was his last straw with the league,and the team.I bet the Browns release him.I'm furious about this! Just ruined the whole draft for us.Thanks alot Josh,I hope your God $&@5 high was worth it a$$hole!! 
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I think this really sums it up, this feels very different. I mean this is just cruel. I get we took a risk on him, we knew what could happen, character is a huge part of any person.
It's cruel to take away that good feeling from a city that has suffered so much, economically, on the field and off. This entire day had felt surreal, like sleep walking. I guess you can't have a dream without a nightmare.
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I think what's really interesting is that we've known about this for 2 weeks and haven't made a move, so we might think that he'll beat the case. Just my highly optimistic thought process.
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Gordon was suspended in June of last year. I believe that he had to get through June of this year with clean tests to get out of the drug program. Since he did not, he'll be banished from the league. (not suspended) After a year, he can apply for reinstatement. If he ever is reinstated, after a series of clean drug tests, then he will be in stage 3 for the rest of his career. The excuses go only so far. Smoking pot was more important than his career, teammates, and paycheck. What a shame.
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If the Browns knew this,then why didn't they draft Watkins to cover their butts? Something is not adding up here .
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His chances are slim and none, but Sherman won an appeal last year.
Let's hope Rosenhaus can dig up some breach of protocol.
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Gordon was suspended in June of last year. I believe that he had to get through June of this year with clean tests to get out of the drug program. Since he did not, he'll be banished from the league. (not suspended) After a year, he can apply for reinstatement. If he ever is reinstated, after a series of clean drug tests, then he will be in stage 3 for the rest of his career.
The excuses go only so far. Smoking pot was more important than his career, teammates, and paycheck. What a shame.
That's not how it works. If that suspension last year was indeed the second failed test while in stage two, he would be advanced to stage three of the program and remain there the rest of his career. If it's true that he is facing a year suspension, then he was in stage three.
edit: and you're right about the banishment thing. I get lazy and type year suspension, but technically it is banishment from the league with opportunity to apply for reinstatement after a year. And it might not be such a clear cut reinstatement in the modern NFL.
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If the Browns knew this,then why didn't they draft Watkins to cover their butts? Something is not adding up here .
Obviously they either did not like him enough to draft him, or they felt that the deal they got for him was too good to pass up.
Watkins if not the same kind of receiver Gordon is. Gordon is a taller, muscular receiver. He can body up smaller DBs. Watkins is shorter, and nowhere near as strong as Gordon is. They are different types of receivers.
He was also arrested in May of 2012 for ........ drug related charges. Yeah, no need to walk that road immediately, especially with the Gordon situation..
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I stopped smoking pot for a $13/hr job 15 years ago. Gordon (if true) threw away millions for pot. I'll never understand that.
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Rope-a-doped again. Not me this time.
How this is not nearing conspiracy level to keep this franchise down is beyond me.
So glad I was not all warm and fuzzy last night.
I can't imagine how mad I would be.
LMAO over 2500 season tickets? LMAO
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And here I thought the implosion would not happen until about week 6.
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"How this is not nearing conspiracy level to keep this franchise down is beyond me."
My thoughts exactly!
We had both Watkins and Evans in our grasp! This smells to high heaven!
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I stopped smoking pot for a $13/hr job 15 years ago. Gordon (if true) threw away millions for pot. I'll never understand that.
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Very well stated.
The timing of this, though, still seems really odd to me. The news breaks minutes before the 2nd day of the draft??? 
I'm trying to figure out if it is not as bad as it is made out to be in terms of length of suspension, is "untrue: like Rosenhaus stated, if ESPN Is just trying to poop on the Browns, or any other scenario that you could think of. '
I also agree with the OP about not drafting Watkins a 'safety valve' if Gordon were to mess up because of prior drug charges. I felt this way prior to yesterday...and remember, we still get another 1st rounder next year; likely an early one.
Whichever way you look at it, the optimist in me says that prolific WR's are nothing but a Shiny Hood Ornament on a rusted out Pinto. I explained this in another post about why we should take a QB over a WR - specifically Manziel. The Seahawks won the Super Bowl without one. We had the best in the NFL last year and won 4 games.
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I find it confusing that in Stage 2 a lot of the fines have to do with having already completed Stage 1.
Which makes no sense to me because if you finish stage 1, your next punishment should be stage 1 again. So why does Stage 2 have these part A policies?
If Gordon is suspended a year it will mean that he completed Stage 1 and then failed one or two drug tests (it gets confusing here) which meant he was in Stage 1 twice, finished it once, and failed it hte 2nd time. And then he failed another test while in Stage 2 and was fined four games and I guess we never heard about it.
Then last year would have been his second failure of Stage 2. He would have been suspended four games because he successfully completed Stage 1 and then failed two tests (so he had to both complete and then fail stage 1), and was given a 4 game suspension.
If this were the case he would be in Stage 3 and subject to banishment.
I find the Stage 1 and part A suspensions confusing as crap so we'll see how it shakes out. I'd like to think someone in the media understands policy better than I do so it should be a one year suspension.
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Maybe we are tanking the season for Winston, but he may be in jail by then so not sure. This makes the Manziel pick look like nothing more than a PR stunt to me to fill the stadium....2014 just got a lot less interesting. 
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I remember people calling Banner a complete idiot for trying to deal this loser. Whats everybody think now? This is the kind of guy that will keep a bad franchise like this one down if you try to rely on them. Just doesn't work. Now looks like maybe they will be forced to release him.
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I don't think he ever completed Stage One.
He most likely came into the league in Stage One, failed a test (which never gets disclosed), went to Stage Two, failed another, got suspended and bumped to Stage Three.
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The more I think about it, I'm glad it happened now. We should all be. Obviously I would prefer he stay clean, but if he can't control himself, let it be now and not days before the AFCG. We have time to prepare and move on now.
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So, with JG we win 4 games, and now without him we draft JFB to fill seats? Yeah that works So you want JG back so we can win another 4 games? It seems to me that WR is not all you need to win games. I mean JG was the best last yr. and what did that get us.... I want a Team.
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I stopped smoking pot for a $13/hr job 15 years ago. Gordon (if true) threw away millions for pot. I'll never understand that.
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Very well stated.
The timing of this, though, still seems really odd to me. The news breaks minutes before the 2nd day of the draft???
I'm trying to figure out if it is not as bad as it is made out to be in terms of length of suspension, is "untrue: like Rosenhaus stated, if ESPN Is just trying to poop on the Browns, or any other scenario that you could think of. '
I also agree with the OP about not drafting Watkins a 'safety valve' if Gordon were to mess up because of prior drug charges. I felt this way prior to yesterday...and remember, we still get another 1st rounder next year; likely an early one.
Whichever way you look at it, the optimist in me says that prolific WR's are nothing but a Shiny Hood Ornament on a rusted out Pinto. I explained this in another post about why we should take a QB over a WR - specifically Manziel. The Seahawks won the Super Bowl without one. We had the best in the NFL last year and won 4 games.
ESPN just talked to Gordon this morning and now this is released? I don't get this at all...something is not adding up.There is no way the Browns would not know about this beforehand,and then to not draft a WR. This whole deal just sunk my happy ship...
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I remember people calling Banner a complete idiot for trying to deal this loser. Whats everybody think now? This is the kind of guy that will keep a bad franchise like this one down if you try to really on them. Just doesn't work. Now looks like maybe they will be forced to release him.
I thought about this too, if we had traded him last season, everybody would have killed us. We keep him and they kill us because "Josh needs to stay high to be a Brown". We lose either way.
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Browns thin at WR if Josh Gordon suspended - ESPN http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/5610/receiving-corps-thin-if-gordon-is-suspendedCleveland Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon faces a one-year calendar ban from the NFL for a failed offseason drug test. That's the word from ESPN's Outside the Lines, which broke the news just before the second day of the draft got underway. Gordon can appeal, but if the Browns lose him it would be a crippling blow to the team's receiving corps, which would look like this if Gordon is suspended, with career catches: Travis Benjamin, 23 catches, 403 yards, two TDs Nate Burleson, 457 catches, 5,630 yards, 39 TDs Josh Cooper, 11 catches, 166 yards, 0 TDs Tori Gurley, 1 catch, 15 yards, 0 TDs Andrew Hawkins, 86 catches, 995 yards, four TDs Charles Johnson, 0 across the board Greg Little, 155 catches, 1,821 yards, eight TDs Conner Vernon, 0 across the board The Browns can add a rookie through the draft (with the third round approaching), but the top three at this moment would be Burleson, Little and Hawkins. The only saving grace: Name Seattle's starting receivers in their Super Bowl win. Answer: Doug Baldwin and Jermaine Kearse, with Percy Harvin third and Golden Tate fourth. So, there's that.
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Being that I was never optimistic to begin with this doesn't bother me at all. I'm just going through the motions as a fan, my heart isn't in it anymore.
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I thought it was said at his suspension last year, that his next positive test would result in a year suspension (or the right to ask to be reinstated to the league in a year).
What a moron if this is true. Millions of dollars down the tube-- or I guess up in smoke. Its such a deflating shot to the organization.
And Buffalo just traded Stevie Johnson today for a bag of peanuts- too bad we were not in on that deal.
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I remember people calling Banner a complete idiot for trying to deal this loser. Whats everybody think now? This is the kind of guy that will keep a bad franchise like this one down if you try to really on them. Just doesn't work. Now looks like maybe they will be forced to release him.
I thought about this too, if we had traded him last season, everybody would have killed us. We keep him and they kill us because "Josh needs to stay high to be a Brown". We lose either way.
I can't believe Gordon could be soo totally selfish,and stupid to do this.Get high vs Get to be a star and make millions. Josh= "I'll take option "A" Jim,and get high"...
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I don't think he ever completed Stage One.
He most likely came into the league in Stage One, failed a test (which never gets disclosed), went to Stage Two, failed another, got suspended and bumped to Stage Three.
Stage two he'd need to fail two tests to get bumped into stage 3.
The only way this thing works is if the was fined for his first violation within Stage 2. Which implies he had to successfully complete Stage 1 of the program at some point.
Unless the NFL is somehow violating their own drug policy which I find very unlikely.
Side note. I keep Gordon until he athletically is not a top receiver in this league. Trading him would be dumb.
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He could've also come into the league in Stage Two, no?
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We'll know soon enough. I suspect that the league won't make these kinds of announcements during the draft, but Monday we'll probably hear something.
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I find it confusing that in Stage 2 a lot of the fines have to do with having already completed Stage 1.
Which makes no sense to me because if you finish stage 1, your next punishment should be stage 1 again. So why does Stage 2 have these part A policies?
If Gordon is suspended a year it will mean that he completed Stage 1 and then failed one or two drug tests (it gets confusing here) which meant he was in Stage 1 twice, finished it once, and failed it hte 2nd time. And then he failed another test while in Stage 2 and was fined four games and I guess we never heard about it.
Then last year would have been his second failure of Stage 2. He would have been suspended four games because he successfully completed Stage 1 and then failed two tests (so he had to both complete and then fail stage 1), and was given a 4 game suspension.
If this were the case he would be in Stage 3 and subject to banishment.
I find the Stage 1 and part A suspensions confusing as crap so we'll see how it shakes out. I'd like to think someone in the media understands policy better than I do so it should be a one year suspension.
I would have to read over the policy again when I'm fresher/soberer. The bits about stage one are pretty confusing as to what constitutes 'completing' it and what, specifically, can lead to entrance into stage one and advancement into stage two.
Stages two and three seem much more clear cut. This is what the policy says as far as discipline for infractions in stage two. Bold is mine, for where I think last year's two game suspension falls. I think it was argued down to two games for possible mitigating factors (perhaps that he was taking codeine as per doctor's instructions, and not drinking sizzzurp. Who knows.)
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b. Discipline.
(1) Discipline for First Failure to Comply in Stage Two: A
player in Stage Two who fails to comply with his
Treatment Plan or fails to cooperate with testing, treatment,
evaluation or other requirements imposed on him by this
Policy, both as determined by the Medical Director, or has
a Positive Test will be subject to:
(a) A fine of four-seventeenths (4/17) of the amount in
Paragraph 5 of the NFL Player Contract if the
player has successfully completed Stage One; and
(b) A suspension for the period of time to cover four
consecutive regular season and post-season
(including Pro Bowl, if selected) games without pay
if he did not successfully complete Stage One.
(2) Discipline for Second Failure to Comply in Stage Two:
A player who has two Positive Tests in Stage Two; or fails
twice, as determined by the Medical Director, to comply
with his Treatment Plan in Stage Two; or has a Positive
Test and fails to comply with his Treatment Plan, as
determined by the Medical Director; or fails to cooperate
with testing, treatment, evaluation or other requirements
imposed on him by this Policy, as determined by the
Medical Director, will incur:
(a) A suspension for the period of time to cover four
consecutive regular and post season games
(including the Pro Bowl, if selected) without pay if
the player was fined pursuant to Section E.2.b.(1)(a)
above; and
17 (2010)
(b) A suspension for the period of time to cover six
consecutive regular and post season games
(including the Pro Bowl, if selected) without pay if
the player was suspended pursuant to Section
E.2.b.(1)(b) above.
(c) The computation of the amount a player must forfeit
and return to his Club as a result of a suspension
under this section and banishment under Section
3.b(2) of this Article is set forth in Appendix D.
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