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Agreed. If anybody thinks Gordon is getting the short end of the stick, they need their head examined.
I tend to think you need your head examined if you (1) Believe that the NFL implements punishments that don't fit the violations committed. And (2) subsequently defend the NFL for enforcing those policies by saying "whlep those are their policies".
Well, I shouldn't say that such an individual would need their head examined but that perhaps their understanding and perception of the situation is clouded by a lesser amount of cortical gyrification in the brain.
No matter how eloquently you put it, your opinion on the subject has a flawed basis. Simply put: rules are rules. If you break them, you will have to suffer the consequences.
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Agreed. If anybody thinks Gordon is getting the short end of the stick, they need their head examined.
I tend to think you need your head examined if you (1) Believe that the NFL implements punishments that don't fit the violations committed. And (2) subsequently defend the NFL for enforcing those policies by saying "whlep those are their policies".
Well, I shouldn't say that such an individual would need their head examined but that perhaps their understanding and perception of the situation is clouded by a lesser amount of cortical gyrification in the brain.
No matter how eloquently you put it, your opinion on the subject has a flawed basis. Simply put: rules are rules. If you break them, you will have to suffer the consequences.
Would this country exist if everyone followed the rules at all times?
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Name me one societal advance made possible by someone illegally using drugs.
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I am saying that the NFL needs a change of policy. Perhaps HR departments across the county ALSO need a change of policy. If we don't talk about these things and do not approach these issues in this way we just end up doing these same things over and over again. And that doesn't benefit anyone.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you think repeated violations of employer marijuana policies deserve a slap on the wrist? How many violations do you think are acceptable before a 1yr suspension, or termination? I can't blame an employer (or the NFL) for not wanting their employees testing positive for marijuana.
I work in a hospital, I sure don't want my fellow doctors and nurses testing positive, and if they did, I wouldn't want them making critical decisions affecting my health.
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Agreed. If anybody thinks Gordon is getting the short end of the stick, they need their head examined.
I tend to think you need your head examined if you (1) Believe that the NFL implements punishments that don't fit the violations committed. And (2) subsequently defend the NFL for enforcing those policies by saying "whlep those are their policies".
Well, I shouldn't say that such an individual would need their head examined but that perhaps their understanding and perception of the situation is clouded by a lesser amount of cortical gyrification in the brain.
No matter how eloquently you put it, your opinion on the subject has a flawed basis. Simply put: rules are rules. If you break them, you will have to suffer the consequences.
Would this country exist if everyone followed the rules at all times?
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The NFL's drug policy is very lax - especially when it comes to street drugs.
It's entirely possible that you could fail a marijuana test every year or so and never face a single consequence for it. It's also set-up through testing windows that aren't so much random as they are "random".
If you read through the policy - I think it's like 28 pages, you'll see that it's a nice wink-wink set-up the players won in the CBA.
You have to be very stupid and/or reckless to get suspended for street drug use.
I understand your reservations about the policy, and I'm in agreement. But it will fall away soon enough.
The problem here isn't the policy. The problem is that Josh Gordon is a moron.
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I am saying that the NFL needs a change of policy. Perhaps HR departments across the county ALSO need a change of policy. If we don't talk about these things and do not approach these issues in this way we just end up doing these same things over and over again. And that doesn't benefit anyone.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you think repeated violations of employer marijuana policies deserve a slap on the wrist? How many violations do you think are acceptable before a 1yr suspension, or termination? I can't blame an employer (or the NFL) for not wanting their employees testing positive for marijuana.
I work in a hospital, I sure don't want my fellow doctors and nurses testing positive, and if they did, I wouldn't want them making critical decisions affecting my health.
I agree whole heartily. I'm a Marine working in aviation. Imagine what would happen during an insert if the pilots, crew, and passengers didn't have mental clarity during an insertion!
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The NFL's drug policy is very lax - especially when it comes to street drugs.
It's entirely possible that you could fail a marijuana test every year or so and never face a single consequence for it. It's also set-up through testing windows that aren't so much random as they are "random".
If you read through the policy - I think it's like 28 pages, you'll see that it's a nice wink-wink set-up the players won in the CBA.
You have to be very stupid and/or reckless to get suspended for street drug use.
I understand your reservations about the policy, and I'm in agreement. But it will fall away soon enough.
The problem here isn't the policy. The problem is that Josh Gordon is a moron.
I wasn't aware of the actual testing process until now. I know that it used to be more rigid, so thanks for this. I agree with everything you say here.
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I agree whole heartily. I'm a Marine working in aviation. Imagine what would happen during an insert if the pilots, crew, and passengers didn't have mental clarity during an insertion!
I can just imagine ........
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It's still fairly rigid for PED testing.
Street drugs is pretty loose.
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I am saying that the NFL needs a change of policy. Perhaps HR departments across the county ALSO need a change of policy. If we don't talk about these things and do not approach these issues in this way we just end up doing these same things over and over again. And that doesn't benefit anyone.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you think repeated violations of employer marijuana policies deserve a slap on the wrist? How many violations do you think are acceptable before a 1 yr suspension, or termination? I can't blame an employer (or the NFL) for not wanting their employees testing positive for marijuana.
I work in a hospital, I sure don't want my fellow doctors and nurses testing positive, and if they did, I wouldn't want them making critical decisions affecting my health.
I want to be clear here. I agree that there needs to be testing done in the medical field, in the military and in the NFL for marijuana. My issue is with the length of these suspensions for marijuana and how they compare to the length of suspensions for other violations. Also how the players are much more accountable than the owners themselves.
I think you could actually flip the script here with alcohol and marijuana. really I don't understand why they are viewed so differently. There is no alcohol testing in the medical field or in the military (that I am aware of). You wouldn't want your doctors or military members preparing for insertion to be drunk would you? (My ex is a ER doctor and man do they know how to drink). That doesn't mean that they drink on the job... Do you think that Josh Gordon smokes on the job? I wouldn't think so. Do you think people should be fired if a test is developed that determines they had been drunk within the last 30 days? What is the real difference here?
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What I am trying to say is that the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime. THAT is the larger issue here and the more important one.
I'm not the least bit worried about that. The league won't be testing for grass within the next five years.
Until then...don't fail three drug tests in two years.
Lots of other players seem entirely capable of smoking marijuana and not getting caught.
Davone Bess managed to smoke ganja and pass his tests...and he's a lunatic.
 
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I don't buy that. Marijuana doesn't completely clear your system overnight like alcohol does, despite NORML saying that only non-psychoactive metabolites remain. THC remains in your system for quite a few days. I smoked regularly for years when I was younger, and there's no way you can tell me that decision making skills aren't affected the following day after smoking. It seems that the marijuana is much more potent these days than it was back then, also.
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The difference is, pot is illegal, and alcohol is not.
The difference is, the league says pot usage will get you in trouble, legal usage of alcohol will not.
Do you understand that now?
Let's not deal with "coulda shoulda woulda....." or "it should be legal". It is not. And an employer has every right to fine, suspend, or fire an employee that breaks the law.
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I agree.
There's no way you can tell me that decision making skills aren't affected the following day after drinking.
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The difference is, pot is illegal, and alcohol is not.
The difference is, the league says pot usage will get you in trouble, legal usage of alcohol will not.
Do you understand that now?
Let's not deal with "coulda shoulda woulda....." or "it should be legal". It is not. And an employer has every right to fine, suspend, or fire an employee that breaks the law.
I know a lot of people that drink and drink a lot and they are severely effected the next day. I drank and drank a lot in the army back in the 80s and I can personally tell you nothing good comes from drinking. I wish I had never started. I haven't drank since early 90s but the time before that nearly ruined my life... I think they ought to ban alcohol too but that would cost the government too much.. I also agree with double standards being issues.... Colts owner doesn't lose anything and drinking and driving is alot more serious than smoking weed and he also has been a problem in the past... JMO
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The difference is, pot is illegal, and alcohol is not.
The difference is, the league says pot usage will get you in trouble, legal usage of alcohol will not.
Do you understand that now?
Let's not deal with "coulda shoulda woulda....." or "it should be legal". It is not. And an employer has every right to fine, suspend, or fire an employee that breaks the law.
I know a lot of people that drink and drink a lot and they are severely effected the next day. I drank and drank a lot in the army back in the 80s and I can personally tell you nothing good comes from drinking. I wish I had never started. I haven't drank since early 90s but the time before that nearly ruined my life... I think they ought to ban alcohol too but that would cost the government too much.. I also agree with double standards being issues.... Colts owner doesn't lose anything and drinking and driving is alot more serious than smoking weed and he also has been a problem in the past... JMO
Okay.
Again you are saying what SHOULD be, (in your opinion), and trying to compare that with what the law is, AND what the nfl's policy is.
The law, and the nfl policy is not the issue. If you want the laws changed, and the nfl's policy (and MLB, NBA, Soccer, NHL, etc) policies changed - work to get them changed.
But please don't excuse out of hand "well, just because it's illegal doesn't mean it should be, so go ahead and do it anyway."
Again, as others have mentioned - the problem here isn't pot - the problem is Gordon using it when he knows he can't.
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The difference is, pot is illegal, and alcohol is not.
The difference is, the league says pot usage will get you in trouble, legal usage of alcohol will not.
Do you understand that now?
Let's not deal with "coulda shoulda woulda....." or "it should be legal". It is not. And an employer has every right to fine, suspend, or fire an employee that breaks the law.
I know a lot of people that drink and drink a lot and they are severely effected the next day. I drank and drank a lot in the army back in the 80s and I can personally tell you nothing good comes from drinking. I wish I had never started. I haven't drank since early 90s but the time before that nearly ruined my life... I think they ought to ban alcohol too but that would cost the government too much.. I also agree with double standards being issues.... Colts owner doesn't lose anything and drinking and driving is alot more serious than smoking weed and he also has been a problem in the past... JMO
Okay.
Again you are saying what SHOULD be, (in your opinion), and trying to compare that with what the law is, AND what the nfl's policy is.
The law, and the nfl policy is not the issue. If you want the laws changed, and the nfl's policy (and MLB, NBA, Soccer, NHL, etc) policies changed - work to get them changed.
But please don't excuse out of hand "well, just because it's illegal doesn't mean it should be, so go ahead and do it anyway."
Again, as others have mentioned - the problem here isn't pot - the problem is Gordon using it when he knows he can't.
What happens if a player gets a DWI compared to an Owner. I think Colts should lose a draft pick. That would Punish him.
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You guys seriously crack me up. YES Josh Gordon got popped on a whiz quiz "again". So we should immediately cut him... blah blah blah
How many of you smoke pot, or worse yet drink alcohol? I don't do either and haven't for a long time, but when I was young and dumb I did both often.
So basically what you are all saying is that we should cut ties with (BY FAR) the most talented play maker on the team because he made yet another mistake and he is obviously just a junkie (for smoking pot he is a junkie?  )...
How about we wait, we be patient, we let him go through the leagues substance abuse program, maybe even get him some help or a baby sitter... BUT SEND HIM PACKING???? You guys are all nuts. You don't give up on that kind of talent that fast, no way no how.
Yeah, we should sign him to 100 million dollar extension 
I've said for years weed should be legal in the NFL. Union should have traded weed testing for HGH testing in the last contract. It's legal in 2 States and 20 with prescription..... However, Gordon KNEW he was one tiny little F-up away from a years suspension. He smoked up anyway. Why? Because he doesn't CARE one bit about football. So I'm not saying cut him because of some holier than thou attitude about smoking grass. I say we cut him because we can't COUNT on him. Can't count on him to care enough to stay out of trouble. Can't count on him to be there when we need him. So cut our losses and move on..... Let him do what he seems to want. Sit around a apark up.... live off his rookie contract.
not allowed to cut a player who is suspended. and why would you anyway? some team will take a chance for a late round draft pick in a trade.
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What I am trying to say is that the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime. THAT is the larger issue here and the more important one.
But when you have committed the crime multiple times in the past, and you have been duly warned, and you know exactly what the punishment and consequences will be for yet another offense, and then you go ahead and do it anyway......you deserve every bit of wrath thrown your way.
No, you don't. Not if the punishment and consequences inherently have little to no logical foundation other than to "maintain the integrity of the league'.
Im guessing you smoke weed? Im sorry, not trying to sound like a jerk but your argument makes little sense. Weed is illegal....doesnt matter if you think it is right or wrong. The nfl rules say dont do drugs. You want to keep playing and make millions? just abide by the rules. is that really so hard???? Especially for millions? he has failed over and over again...he is either very stupid or very arrogant....i would lean toward the latter.......point is.....how many times is the nfl supposed to let him off the hook? Just because yo think smoking weed shouldnt be a crime doesnt mean your right or wrong. However, when your employer tells you not to do it if you want to stay there and still get paid millions to play a game THEN YOU DONT DO IT.
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You know what really pi$$es me off about all this? Is that instead of everyone talking about the draft choices and direction of the team,the talking points all became about Josh and his BS behavior once again!!! Thanks for taking our little bit of happiness and flushing it right down the toilet Gordon!! Hope your satisfied!! 
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What I am trying to say is that the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime. THAT is the larger issue here and the more important one.
But when you have committed the crime multiple times in the past, and you have been duly warned, and you know exactly what the punishment and consequences will be for yet another offense, and then you go ahead and do it anyway......you deserve every bit of wrath thrown your way.
No, you don't. Not if the punishment and consequences inherently have little to no logical foundation other than to "maintain the integrity of the league'.
Im guessing you smoke weed? Im sorry, not trying to sound like a jerk but your argument makes little sense. Weed is illegal....doesnt matter if you think it is right or wrong. The nfl rules say dont do drugs. You want to keep playing and make millions? just abide by the rules. is that really so hard???? Especially for millions? he has failed over and over again...he is either very stupid or very arrogant....i would lean toward the latter.......point is.....how many times is the nfl supposed to let him off the hook? Just because yo think smoking weed shouldnt be a crime doesnt mean your right or wrong. However, when your employer tells you not to do it if you want to stay there and still get paid millions to play a game THEN YOU DONT DO IT.
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The difference is, pot is illegal, and alcohol is not.
The difference is, the league says pot usage will get you in trouble, legal usage of alcohol will not.
Do you understand that now?
Let's not deal with "coulda shoulda woulda....." or "it should be legal". It is not. And an employer has every right to fine, suspend, or fire an employee that breaks the law.
I know a lot of people that drink and drink a lot and they are severely effected the next day. I drank and drank a lot in the army back in the 80s and I can personally tell you nothing good comes from drinking. I wish I had never started. I haven't drank since early 90s but the time before that nearly ruined my life... I think they ought to ban alcohol too but that would cost the government too much.. I also agree with double standards being issues.... Colts owner doesn't lose anything and drinking and driving is alot more serious than smoking weed and he also has been a problem in the past... JMO
Okay.
Again you are saying what SHOULD be, (in your opinion), and trying to compare that with what the law is, AND what the nfl's policy is.
The law, and the nfl policy is not the issue. If you want the laws changed, and the nfl's policy (and MLB, NBA, Soccer, NHL, etc) policies changed - work to get them changed.
But please don't excuse out of hand "well, just because it's illegal doesn't mean it should be, so go ahead and do it anyway."
Again, as others have mentioned - the problem here isn't pot - the problem is Gordon using it when he knows he can't.
What happens if a player gets a DWI compared to an Owner. I think Colts should lose a draft pick. That would Punish him.
First, I wasn't aware the judicial system had made a judgement on the colts owner and the dui/dwi thing. If I missed something, my bad, fill me in.
Secondly, I have never heard of a team losing a draft pick due to one of the teams players having a dui. If you have, please let me know.
And thirdly - pot is illegal. Period. Alcohol is not illegal. Driving drunk is illegal. But drinking alcohol in and of itself is not illegal. Period.
Are you connecting the dots here? It's not what YOU think - it's the laws - of the fed. gov't., state gov'ts, AND most importantly, the league that signs your checks - the nfl.
If you'd like to turn this into a "pot should be legal" thing, have at it. I might agree with you. But the way it stands, pot is illegal. According to the fed. gov't, the state of Ohio, and most importantly - the nfl.
Gordon can smoke all he wants - he just can't be a member of the nfl while doing it. It's really not that hard to understand.
He has the ability to do what he wants. If his desire to do what he wants is in conflict with the rules of his employment - so be it.
Again, it's really not that hard to understand.
What you are backing is akin to "big deal, I have heroin in my system even though ABC company I work for says I can't do heroin. What right do they have to fine me or suspend me or fire me?"
It's simple: Here are the rules. Follow them, everything is ok. Don't follow them, you get in trouble. Period. End of discussion.
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I don't think pot should be legal. I never said a team would lose a draft pick because a player got a DWI. I said the Colts should lose one because of the owner. The player would be suspended.
My point is a player suffers tremendously for his mistakes but I bet the owner will suffer very little. The biggest thing is, if he does get suspended for a year I believe it's a steep punishment. Also since he's been with the Browns I only know of this being a second offense so they are obviously counting college. Also last year's incident was for Codeine which is ridiculous that this is tested for. Yes an NFL player should know the rules but this was his second strike which again is Ridiculous so if he gets suspended for a year now that's stiff... Also wonder if the executives are tested for illegal drugs. If you're going to have standards for the players then Everyone should be test, including the commissioner... My 2 cents
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On the lighter side, does anyone wonder where Gordon will end up on the NFL's "TOP 100 PLAYERS of 2014"? Posthumously of course.
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Do you see nothing inherently wrong with how you can just reduce this whole situation to what you are saying above?
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Just curious, but why?
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It's simple: Here are the rules. Follow them, everything is ok. Don't follow them, you get in trouble. Period. End of discussion.
Do you see nothing inherently wrong with how you can just reduce this whole situation to what you are saying above?
No, I don't.
Can you enlighten me?'
Rules, regulations...........follow them and everything is good. Break them, deal with it.
No, I don't see the problem. Help me out. Maybe rules apply only to some?
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I agree whole heartily. I'm a Marine working in aviation. Imagine what would happen during an insert if the pilots, crew, and passengers didn't have mental clarity during an insertion!
I can just imagine ........
"Dude, hurry up and get out .... I've got the munchies and a double pepperoni is calling my name ......."
LOL, we already have that problem!
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LOL...............some are still making excuses and trying to justify this idiots decisions.
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Don't make any excuses for this guy. He knew the rules and what his situation was and still messed up. I don't feel sorry for him he will get what he deserves. I feel sorry for us Browns fans. I feel sorry for our coaches and his teamates who were depending on him to be there for them. He's got some growing up to do!!
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It's simple: Here are the rules. Follow them, everything is ok. Don't follow them, you get in trouble. Period. End of discussion.
Do you see nothing inherently wrong with how you can just reduce this whole situation to what you are saying above?
No, I don't.
Can you enlighten me?'
Rules, regulations...........follow them and everything is good. Break them, deal with it.
No, I don't see the problem. Help me out. Maybe rules apply only to some?
We need rules, regulations and all of these things but they all must be consistently evaluated and questioned. My point is that rules are not absolute nor should they ever be absolute. They are there for reasons but not always the right reasons. When rules exist without reason they need to change.
If we don't change these rules, we then enable the existence of thes ignorant rules and regulations. I just don't understand why people believe rules to be gospel. I just want people to think.
Do you think that all ended well here when rules and regulations were followed to the letter of the law? I certainly don't think so.
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Get real. It's a BS excuse.
You follow the rules until they are changed in terms of doing drugs. We aren't talking about the American Revolution. We are talking about something that is illegal in the NFL and you do it only to make yourself feel good. There are no moral gains by doing drugs. It's a selfish act in which you put your own wants and needs above your teammates.
Don't even try to get philosophical in defending this turd.
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I don't think pot should be legal.
Just curious, but why?
I think our marijuana laws are the most pointless wastes of time and money outside of our prostitution laws.
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Also wonder if the executives are tested for illegal drugs. If you're going to have standards for the players then Everyone should be test, including the commissioner
Fantastic point
mind altering drug. Same as alcohol. I just don't agree with mind altering substances... That's just me...
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I agree Vers. Your in the NFL now not college and your playing a man's game where others are depending on you. Grow up and act like one!
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