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What rookie Qb is in the best situation to succeed in 2014? Espn just asked this of their anaylists, and I think it's a good question. One I want to answer and hear what others think. They said their were 14 drafted, but looking at that list, I just have to think, there's a good chance, on a gut feeling it could be Tajh Boyd; with the Jets.
It could be entirely possible through an injury to Geno Smith, that Tajh Boyd could emerge as a starter there, and really take off.
I'm not talking long term, just one year. It sounds like something the Jets would do anyway.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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I think all of the first round QB's have a great chance to succeed.
Bortles has a boatload of weapons, his biggest problem is the fact that he's Blake Bortles.
Manziel should do fine with or without Josh Gordon.
Bridgewater has Patterson and Peterson who will help out a lot. I just don't know if that o-line will help him out at all though.
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At first glance, I'd have to say Bridgewater.
With an elite running game, you can take a little off a young QB.
Their defense is suspect, though, so he might feel the fire.
After that, maybe Bortles, then Manziel? Slide Jimmy G. before Bortles if Brady went down?
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I just saw the ESPN segment too. I thought their draft grades are/were meaningless as they really don't seem to know the true in's and out's of the program that Pettine & Company are trying to run here. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been so critical of them not drafting Watkins or Evans as opposed to Gilbert which (if he is able to make the transition) opens up our defense tremendously to allow Pettine to do what he does best - Press man to man coverage from two outside corners while using the other 9 guys to blitz in some variation which gives the opposing defensive coordinator migraines while giving the opposing QB nightmares. Gilbert allows us to do that which is why he and Haden are now the keys to this defense and is why CB's are so valuable in Pettine's system.
To answer the question, though, you really don't know. I truly think that Manziel had the best chance to succeed had this Gordon news not come out. But I think if we are able to make a splash with a nice trade for an established veteran receiver, he certainly 'can be' the most successful next year. Especially considering that a QB's best friend is a great running game and we've appeared to improve our running attack by leaps and bounds with FA and our draft picks - Bitonio and Terrance West.
I think it all depends on what our depth at WR looks like when we start the season. If Ray Farmer is able to bring in a dependable veteran presence who has some game breaking ability or one of the other WR's emerges, there is no reason it can't be Manziel.
Without being a homer, I agree with Jaws that Tom Savage has the pieces around him to have the most success with Arian Foster, Andre Johnson, and what appears to be a really good defense on paper. The question is, does he have that "IT" factor that Johnny Manziel appears to have that will allow him to rise above the pressure of being a first year starter?
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I just saw the ESPN segment too. I thought their draft grades are/were meaningless as they really don't seem to know the true in's and out's of the program that Pettine & Company are trying to run here. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been so critical of them not drafting Watkins or Evans as opposed to Gilbert which (if he is able to make the transition) opens up our defense tremendously to allow Pettine to do what he does best - Press man to man coverage from two outside corners while using the other 9 guys to blitz in some variation which gives the opposing defensive coordinator migraines while giving the opposing QB nightmares. Gilbert allows us to do that which is why he and Haden are now the keys to this defense and is why CB's are so valuable in Pettine's system.
if anyone didn't think corner was high on the list before the draft then they haven't been following the offseason. didn't we try to get 2 of the best FA corners this year? no doubt in my mind Gilbert was our first target all along.
I think Bortles will be better. hope I am wrong but I just love big strong QBs. 
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I just saw the ESPN segment too. I thought their draft grades are/were meaningless as they really don't seem to know the true in's and out's of the program that Pettine & Company are trying to run here. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been so critical of them not drafting Watkins or Evans as opposed to Gilbert which (if he is able to make the transition) opens up our defense tremendously to allow Pettine to do what he does best - Press man to man coverage from two outside corners while using the other 9 guys to blitz in some variation which gives the opposing defensive coordinator migraines while giving the opposing QB nightmares. Gilbert allows us to do that which is why he and Haden are now the keys to this defense and is why CB's are so valuable in Pettine's system.
if anyone didn't think corner was high on the list before the draft then they haven't been following the offseason. didn't we try to get 2 of the best FA corners this year? no doubt in my mind Gilbert was our first target all along.
CB had to be need #1A along with QB. I said all along that I wanted the team to draft 2 big CB, and they did exactly that, so I am thrilled with that.
For me, before the news about Gordon hit, I said that if we came out of this draft with a pair of CB, a QB, and an ILB, I'd be happy. Well, we did just that. We also added a RB that looks like the 2nd coming of the Bus,.and a powerful Guard. (and yes, I would have preferred a WR at that spot instead of the OL, but what's done is done, and this kid does look like a stud)
Now we have the rest of the off-season to find another WR. I know that a lot of veterans will wind up shaking loose, and some teams will cut veteran WRs who will not make their teams earlier rather than later out of respect for those guys, so they can try to find jobs ......... much like we did when we decided that we weren't going to be able to come to an agreement with DQ on a new contract, and the Browns let him loose before they had to so he could get on the market before free agency opened.
I think that Farmer has a plan for WR, and that we'll be OK there. Why I think that I have no idea ..... except that I like what he has done so far, and he says that he has a plan .... so who am I to doubt him. It is very possible that while he was talking draft trades and such with other GMs, he was also talking contingency plans in case Gordon were to be suspended. Something along the lines of "Hey, I see that you took 2 WR in this draft, and that might seem to make one of X or Y expendable, If I were to find myself in a position where I needed a WR due t a suspension, what would it take to obtain X or Y?" I find that very likely, and he probably has a good idea what kind of guys could be available, and what the cost could be. It's also very likely that other teams, having heard the Gordon news, have called us with trade feelers as far as trading us one of their veteran receivers.
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I think that Farmer has a plan for WR, and that we'll be OK there. Why I think that I have no idea ..... except that I like what he has done so far, and he says that he has a plan .... so who am I to doubt him. It is very possible that while he was talking draft trades and such with other GMs, he was also talking contingency plans in case Gordon were to be suspended. Something along the lines of "Hey, I see that you took 2 WR in this draft, and that might seem to make one of X or Y expendable, If I were to find myself in a position where I needed a WR due t a suspension, what would it take to obtain X or Y?" I find that very likely, and he probably has a good idea what kind of guys could be available, and what the cost could be. It's also very likely that other teams, having heard the Gordon news, have called us with trade feelers as far as trading us one of their veteran receivers.
I definitely agree. 
These GM's all talk to each other and have good relationships with each other in regards to making moves. They have to in order for all of them to execute their jobs in an efficient manner. Even though they are all rivals and are trying to beat each other in terms of wins and losses, there is no doubt that they are always in constant communication with each other about these types of things.
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I wanted to add that it was just like when Mangini still obviously had a good relationship with the Jets GM...and Heckert still had contacts within the Eagles organization.
As unlikely it may seem being that we are division rivals, I really think that Ozzie Newsome is really rooting for Ray Farmer. Not only because they are both two of the only African-American GM's in the NFL, but because he respects Ray's football acumen and knows that he is a straight shooter when it comes to making moves. Ray obviously put up a lot of smoke screens prior to the draft, as all good GM's do, but I read a couple of articles from Baltimore newspapers after the draft where Ray received a lot of praise on how he conducted the draft from Ozzie.
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I agree shot caller. Farmer and Pettine were both great in the way they talked the draft talk.
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Tahj Boyd was one of my favorite sleepers of the draft and you might be right. I think he's under rated. But I think with weapons the Vikings have it's probably Bridgewater. They're a QB away IMO, and if Bridgewater is halfway decent I think they'll thrive.
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I think Carr and Manziel are both set up nicely.
Carr is out West, and is on a team that nobody is thinking about. Their roster is not great, but I think that gives him time to grow. The expectations for that team have to be almost non-existent. If he can ball, he will be fine.
I think Johnny's situation is ideal. The Browns are talented. Even without Gordon I think they'll be fine. If he starts day 1, it will be because he earned it. I do think Hoyer will be helpful for him as well. I expect the run game to be good and the defense could shape up to be very very good which always makes it easy on the QB/offense.
Bridgewater's situation isn't bad either. Like Johnny though, it's a really good QB division. May be tough to keep up.
I'm a fan of Gus Bradley in Jax, but I'm just not sure about Bortles. I brought it up before but he's actually still pretty new at QB. That did bug me a little. He has all the tools though, and he'll have some weapons. I can't handicap his chances as better than other though.
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I agree YTown...I know if I am a GM and I have drafed some WR's and I look down my roster and see some guys that make now be expendable... One of t-first teams I call are the Browns ( or any time that has obvious holes).
Or if I have a team that needs say some DL depth I contact the Browns.
Rosters are fluid especially this time of year and there will be deals to be made and WR to be gotten. A #1, absolutely not,but if we can find a good #2 I thnk we will be ok.
Still we will miss JG, but as with any injury that ends a season, what the hell can you do about it?
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Carr is out West, and is on a team that nobody is thinking about. Their roster is not great, but I think that gives him time to grow. The expectations for that team have to be almost non-existent. If he can ball, he will be fine.
Carr is also up against three teams in their division that averaged 11 wins last year and is on a team that had just 4. That gap of -7 in average wins is by far the most for any team in their division.
AFCE: Buffalo -3.3 wins to av
AFCN: Cleveland -5.3 wins to av
AFCS: Houston -5.3 wins to av
AFCW: Oakland -7 wins to av
NFCE: Washington -5.3 wins to av
NFCN: Minnesota -2.7 wins to av
NFCS: Tampa Bay/Atlanta -5 wins to av
NFCW: St. Louis -4.7 wins to av
So, when you say best situation to succeed, I guess it depends a lot on the success criteria. It seem unlikely to me that they will make the playoffs, which is the most-common measuring stick for success in the NFL. He's got James Jones, Denarious Moore, Rod Streater. Maybe he can get something out of Criner. Those are decent targets. Not good talent overall (in the context of NFL teams... definitely not in the top 10 receiving corps), but not bad. His tight ends are Mychal Rivera and Nick Kasa, so... that's not real good.
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I think Johnny's situation is ideal. The Browns are talented. Even without Gordon I think they'll be fine. If he starts day 1, it will be because he earned it. I do think Hoyer will be helpful for him as well. I expect the run game to be good and the defense could shape up to be very very good which always makes it easy on the QB/offense.
Even with the really nice UDFA snags, I think we have the worst WR corps in the NFL if Burleson's arm remains troublesome. Even Carolina has Jason Avant and Jerricho Cotchery. I think Kelvin Benjamin was overdrafted but he's still better than the guys we got afterwards. The Jets have Eric Decker, Jeremy Kerley, and David Nelson as their top guys. They might be the closest to us. The Rams might be close. I think that will make it pretty tough on Manziel.
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Bridgewater's situation isn't bad either. Like Johnny though, it's a really good QB division. May be tough to keep up.
Bridgewater is in a decent situation and I'm happy for him. They are in a run-heavy offense with the best RB in the league. Like Manziel, he's got good OL players at the edges and at center and they both added a new high;y-thought-of guard in the draft. Greg Jennings is really the only proven receiver they've got, but Cordarrelle Patterson offers some ability to take a screen a long way and has good speed for those corners Bridgewater likes to throw. Certainly their receiving corps could be improved, it's probably bottom-third of the league, but with Peterson and Felton banging away I don't think he'll be asked to do too much at first.
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I'm a fan of Gus Bradley in Jax, but I'm just not sure about Bortles. I brought it up before but he's actually still pretty new at QB. That did bug me a little. He has all the tools though, and he'll have some weapons. I can't handicap his chances as better than other though.
Man, if they had taken one of the top 3 QBs they could be in great shape. Adding Lee and Robinson to Shorts is a pretty nice front-line of targets. They still have a lot of questions, though, as their OL is still a bit of a wreck. They also currently have Toby Gerhart and Storm Johnson as their main RBs.
Man, it's going to be tough on the rookie QBs.
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Yeah I'm not saying playoffs for Oakland, but I can just see him playing well, making them a bit better, and having the fans and org. feel good about him going into 2015.
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TL's post says who is setup best for success in 2014.
Bortles - Bradley has already said they are red-shirting him
Carr - Oakland signed Schaub to start 2014
Jimmy-G - not going to jump Tom Brady
Manziel - I'd say 50/50 odds right now that he doesn't start week1 over Hoyer.
Bridgewater - setup best just because there is noone who truly
Oh, and speaking of rookie QBs, is anyone else completely shocked that Garrett Gilbert was drafted???
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I believe that Bridgewater has the best odds here.
It's because of what he brings to the game that the others don't. If someone wishes to talk about which drafted QB's coming out of this draft doesn't need extremely high talented WR's to succeed, it would be Bridgewater.
Why? Because he is very good at going through his progressions quickly and finding the open guy. His ability to read opposing D's, changing plays at the LOS and going through quick progressions sets him apart from all other QB's in this draft class.
Time will show this to be the case.
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