Coulter is like the Right's version of Bill Maher. Everything she said is taken with a grain of salt. She's good for creating controversy and getting the left's blood to boil. Difference is, we know that Maher is that, you guys take Coulter seriously.
Quote: Sure, when big cities try to enact any gun control as a stated effort to curb gun violence, predominantly among young men, the NRA invariably floods money to the region to defeat the legislation.
The conversation was about mass murder/genocide.. now we are talking about street crime and gang violence.. ?
Quote: web page Ann Coulter's Hashtag Hijacking Of #BringBackOurGirls Backfires Big Time
CAITLIN MACNEAL – MAY 12, 2014, 2:12 PM EDT Conservative pundit Ann Coulter on Sunday night joined the band of conservatives mocking the #BringBackOurGirls social media campaign, which began as a way to call attention to the 300 Nigerian girls kidnapped by Boko Haram.
Coulter posted a photo to Twitter with her own iteration of the hashtag, in an apparent attempt to ridicule some of the high profile people, including First Lady Michelle Obama, who took part in the original campaign.
She got more than 1,000 retweets, including by Red State's Erick Erickson. Conservative radio host Thomas Purcell also tweeted a photo of himself holding up Coulter's hashtag.
However, her attempt backfired with a slew of people tweeting images of Coulter holding the same sign but photoshopped with messages that turned the tables on her. Gawker curated many of them, including some of the crudest.
Here's a sampling of the tweets
I thought her picture was funny. She pulled the same sad face michelle obummer pulled for her picture. This 'hashtag protest' crap is just as stupid as the 'rolling hunger strike' a bunch of Hollywood libs participated in with Cindy Sheehan. I sent a hashtag so it shows I care, and I'm done. We're going to starve ourselves for 24 hours to show we care, and I'm done.. Oooooo.
Quote: The conversation was about mass murder/genocide.. now we are talking about street crime and gang violence.. ?
The original post I was responding to,
Quote: I think more than anything, the thing that irritates me about "Bring back our girls".....is the feminist ideology that somehow kidnapped girls becomes more of a story than all of the boys that were murdered. Like really?
I have 80/20 bought in to the anti feminist movement.
I understand that you and I have completely different attitudes about the issue you wish to discuss. I guarantee that I hold no misconception that it would be at all possible for me to change your attitude. I think it's great to live in a time and place where these differences are allowed.
Quote: I understand that you and I have completely different attitudes about the issue you wish to discuss. I guarantee that I hold no misconception that it would be at all possible for me to change your attitude. I think it's great to live in a time and place where these differences are allowed.
Don't really disagree with that but I just missed the turn in the conversation and was trying to figure out what you were referencing... my fault.
I think the biggest reason for the disparagement in awareness is that when a boy is murdered, it's usually at the hands of another boy. When a girl is murdered, it's also usually at the hands of a boy.. and it's viewed as less than a fair fight because boys are typically bigger, stronger, more aggressive. So a girl dying at the hands of a boy gets more sympathy and attention than a boy dying at the hands of another boy.
Then there is that traditional wacky antiquated notion that boys are supposed to fight each other and protect girls.. so all of the old farts and those raised in more traditional ways view hurting a girl as worse than hurting a boy.
What bugs me is the entertainment value kids put on youtube violence and that's boy against boy, boy against girl, girl against boy, girl against girl, gangs against boys, gangs of girls against....whatever.
Kids see each of those as equally exciting.
I grew up in the sixties, but I am not a "peace, love, and harmony" guy by any means, but to my old thinking this seems way over the top.
Quote: Glad I'm not a woman or I would probably want to get everybody's attention about it also.
I most likely would too. But I was speaking more about the specific incident the thread was about.
300 girls were abducted. I believe that deserves attention and women seem to be able to band together to get that message out to garner such attention.
My belief is that men seem far less assertive in bringing attention to such things. Now I know that the media doesn't seem to try to cover such things as closely, but could you actually picture 1,000,000 men from across the globe doing such a thing to even try to bring such a thing to the attention of the media?
I believe males overall have been brought up to accept war and violence that in some way conditions them to acceptance of such things that causes us to be less abhorred by such things. Thusly, we simply don't seem to be willing to put forth the efforts to bring as much attention to such horrendous actions that women seem to do.
I have to say I admire that women do that.
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Quote: Difference is, we know that Maher is that, you guys take Coulter seriously.
Just who are "you guys"?
Anyone who takes Coulter seriously. Maher is a stand up comic, and most know it, and they laugh and don't really take him too seriously. Coulter is a republican pundit who never ever crosses party lines, and isn't a comedian.
Also Maher will have Ann Coulter and other republican pundits on his comedy show to let them speak their opinions. Coulter just calls everyone a tool that doesn't agree with her opinions. And she has zero skills in comic relief.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
The solution to nutbags like these Boco Haram guys is to hunt them down and put a bullet in their heads.
Liberals, however, just can't bring themselves to this solution. What they are doing, en masse, is moaning and whining about how offended they are that these 300 girls have been kidnapped. The result of this is the US has sent some drones, and military help, and is urging the Nigerians to get their rear in gear with their army, with the goal of hunting the nutbags down and putting a bullet in their heads.
The liberals seem to actually believe that these, and other nutbags, will stop doing what they are doing just because it offends the liberals, as though the simple act of their being offended will automatically cause this.
Later on, when Boco Haram has been hunted down and bullets shot into their heads, and the girls are freed, the libs will complain about the violence used to achieve this goal. If no violence is used and the girls all end up dead, they will complain that the negotiations and outreach programs weren't begun soon enough.
Anybody ever notice that it is extremely rare that a Russian airliner gets hijacked, they hardly ever have a "hostage crisis"? There is a simple reason for that. If you do this in Russia, you will end up dead, everyone with you will end up dead, you will not get a TV interview, you will not get a write-up in the local newspaper. Not only will you be dead, but your family will also suffer.
It is most definitely crude, and unpleasant. It is also dramatically more effective than most other strategies in preventing a large number of such incidents from happening in the first place.
This thread has gotten way out of shape...HOWEVER...the comments in this quoted post are spot on.
Read the message and attack IT if you can...don't deflect into an attack on the messenger...doing so only further validates the (excellent) post.
It supports a slanted view that doesn't grasp the reality of the situation. So yes, it's impossible to argue with an illogical view because the people who support it just don't get it.
Quote: It supports a slanted view that doesn't grasp the reality of the situation. So yes, it's impossible to argue with an illogical view because the people who support it just don't get it.
Never mind the argument, simply attempt to discredit those with whom you disagree.
Classic (lack of) response...proves his point and mine.
Well, it's because you're being illogical. The basis of the argument lies in an idea that liberals will complain and do nothing. That's just not true. It's a logical fallacy of a hasty generalization. It's just illogical and you cannot fight illogical comments with logic.
For example, adults who believe in a God should be put in a mental asylum for believing in make-believe-friends. You will not be able to logically debate this argument because it's illogical.
The solution to nutbags like these Boco Haram guys is to hunt them down and put a bullet in their heads. Possibly true, but how successful has hunting down Muslim extremist in the past been without creating more casualties. Liberals, however, just can't bring themselves to this solution. What they are doing, en masse, is moaning and whining about how offended they are that these 300 girls have been kidnapped. Not sure if all the people responding would be considered "liberals". Personally I don't I don't believe "liberals" actually exist in the way the right extremist wish to attack any different point of view with what they consider a derogatory label. They've even labeled most republicans who fail to follow the extremist ways of the far right as "liberals" which in my mind invalidates the their concept of liberal. As far as moaning and whining it seems there has been an over abundunce of moaning and whining from this fringe group about people believing that the kidnapping of schools girls and the pleads from their parents is merely an Obama ploy, especially when these same extremist claim their children suffer the "indoctrination" of public schools. The result of this is the US has sent some drones, and military help, and is urging the Nigerians to get their rear in gear with their army, with the goal of hunting the nutbags down and putting a bullet in their heads. It seems to me that's the exact solution you called for. What's the beef? The liberals seem to actually believe that these, and other nutbags, will stop doing what they are doing just because it offends the liberals I'm sure it may be possible for a group of people to want something to happen so much that all they have to do is be offended and if that was the only thing that happened then the extremist right would have no reason to be unreasonably offended. However, these people also voiced their concerns with a twitter campaign that had the effect of creating action, which in itself invalidates the idea that it was only their willingness to be offended that caused action. Later on, when Boco Haram has been hunted down and bullets shot into their heads, and the girls are freed, the libs will complain about the violence used to achieve this goal. Although this statement is in itself an assumption, it may be true that some people may be offended by the violent deaths(bullet in the head), but when held up to the level of complaints about a "twitter" campaign it would probably be easy to decide which reaction is more rational. If no violence is used and the girls all end up dead, they will complain that the negotiations and outreach programs weren't begun soon enough. I'm not sure if the extremist right would rather have citizens arm themselves in case they need to over throw the government or just shut up and stop complaining. Anybody ever notice that it is extremely rare that a Russian airliner gets hijacked, they hardly ever have a "hostage crisis"? There is a simple reason for that. If you do this in Russia, you will end up dead, everyone with you will end up dead, you will not get a TV interview, you will not get a write-up in the local newspaper. Not only will you be dead, but your family will also suffer. It's also kind of strange that the same right extremist who insist the rest of the world are "liberals" have such an infatuation with communists. I have noticed that. So should we be "good citizens" and "shut up or die" or should we arm ourselves to over throw the government? BTW Israel has proven to be pretty hard core in dealing with hostage takers and they're involved in this response as well. What are they? Pussies? It is most definitely crude, and unpleasant. It is also dramatically more effective than most other strategies in preventing a large number of such incidents from happening in the first place. Well Osama Bin deuch bag was treated in a pretty crude and unpleasant manner and I'm not entirely sure, but I don't think that every body involved in that action were not "liberals". It might be helpful to stop attacking the mesenger because you disagree with the message as some who just love this post would suggest. I would suggest that a less hormonal response to this would be to question whether or not a corrupt government like Nigeria's can be counted on to spend any monitary help they receive on solving the problem and not on further consolidating their control. That idea would eliminate the need for tissues that the extremist right seem to be consuming.
Quote: The solution to nutbags like these Boco Haram guys is to hunt them down and put a bullet in their heads.0
Possibly true, but how successful has hunting down Muslim extremist in the past been without creating more casualties.
Liberals, however, just can't bring themselves to this solution. What they are doing, en masse, is moaning and whining about how offended they are that these 300 girls have been kidnapped.
Not sure if all the people responding would be considered "liberals". Personally I don't I don't believe "liberals" actually exist in the way the right extremist wish to attack any different point of view with what they consider a derogatory label. They've even labeled most republicans who fail to follow the extremist ways of the far right as "liberals" which in my mind invalidates the their concept of liberal. As far as moaning and whining it seems there has been an over abundunce of moaning and whining from this fringe group about people believing that the kidnapping of schools girls and the pleads from their parents is merely an Obama ploy, especially when these same extremist claim their children suffer the "indoctrination" of public schools.
The result of this is the US has sent some drones, and military help, and is urging the Nigerians to get their rear in gear with their army, with the goal of hunting the nutbags down and putting a bullet in their heads.
It seems to me that's the exact solution you called for. What's the beef?
The liberals seem to actually believe that these, and other nutbags, will stop doing what they are doing just because it offends the liberals
I'm sure it may be possible for a group of people to want something to happen so much that all they have to do is be offended and if that was the only thing that happened then the extremist right would have no reason to be unreasonably offended. However, these people also voiced their concerns with a twitter campaign that had the effect of creating action, which in itself invalidates the idea that it was only their willingness to be offended that caused action.
Later on, when Boco Haram has been hunted down and bullets shot into their heads, and the girls are freed, the libs will complain about the violence used to achieve this goal.
Although this statement is in itself an assumption, it may be true that some people may be offended by the violent deaths(bullet in the head), but when held up to the level of complaints about a "twitter" campaign it would probably be easy to decide which reaction is more rational.
If no violence is used and the girls all end up dead, they will complain that the negotiations and outreach programs weren't begun soon enough.
I'm not sure if the extremist right would rather have citizens arm themselves in case they need to over throw the government or just shut up and stop complaining.
Anybody ever notice that it is extremely rare that a Russian airliner gets hijacked, they hardly ever have a "hostage crisis"? There is a simple reason for that. If you do this in Russia, you will end up dead, everyone with you will end up dead, you will not get a TV interview, you will not get a write-up in the local newspaper. Not only will you be dead, but your family will also suffer.
It's also kind of strange that the same right extremist who insist the rest of the world are "liberals" have such an infatuation with communists. I have noticed that. So should we be "good citizens" and "shut up or die" or should we arm ourselves to over throw the government? BTW Israel has proven to be pretty hard core in dealing with hostage takers and they're involved in this response as well. What are they? Pussies?
It is most definitely crude, and unpleasant. It is also dramatically more effective than most other strategies in preventing a large number of such incidents from happening in the first place.
Well Osama Bin deuch bag was treated in a pretty crude and unpleasant manner and I'm not entirely sure, but I don't think that every body involved in that action were not "liberals". It might be helpful to stop attacking the mesenger because you disagree with the message as some who just love this post would suggest.
I would suggest that a less hormonal response to this would be to question whether or not a corrupt government like Nigeria's can be counted on to spend any monitary help they receive on solving the problem and not on further consolidating their control. That idea would eliminate the need for tissues that the extremist right seem to be consuming.
Now isn't that easier to read? It's called spaces, you should try them.
Tell me you didn't just use the label "pussies". We're in the PC world now, you can't say that, it's courageously challenged.
Quote: Well, it's because you're being illogical. The basis of the argument lies in an idea that liberals will complain and do nothing. That's just not true. It's a logical fallacy of a hasty generalization. It's just illogical and you cannot fight illogical comments with logic.
For example, adults who believe in a God should be put in a mental asylum for believing in make-believe-friends. You will not be able to logically debate this argument because it's illogical.
Of course you think it's illogical...because you disagree with it and cannot dispute the facts
The first tool in the liberal tool box is to attempt to discredit/distort the messenger...then attempt to discredit/distort his sources/basis-of-argument...when that all fails - as it inevitably does - then make an outrageous statement that is so far off topic that the discussion cannot advance.
Quote: I'm not sure if that meets your requirement and I sort of apologize to the person who posted it because I was merely trying to do what you asked.
That was a fair and reasonable response. I don't agree with much of it, but such a response is better than the "you are wrong and I am right" response that is so popular anymore.
I would say though that you appear to have labeled all non-liberals as being on the extreme right and that any opposition to a liberal belief is rooted from the extreme right. The extremists make the noise that the media hacks will broadcast...but opposition is usually more rooted in the belief system of the more-moderate or mainstream - be they conservative or liberal.
Quote: I'm not sure if that meets your requirement and I sort of apologize to the person who posted it because I was merely trying to do what you asked.
That was a fair and reasonable response. I don't agree with much of it, but such a response is better than the "you are wrong and I am right" response that is so popular anymore.
I would say though that you appear to have labeled all non-liberals as being on the extreme right and that any opposition to a liberal belief is rooted from the extreme right. The extremists make the noise that the media hacks will broadcast...but opposition is usually more rooted in the belief system of the more-moderate or mainstream - be they conservative or liberal.
Aaah I just labeled "right extremists" because it made as much sense as the idea that all non-conservatives are "liberal", which seems to be more accepted than identifying anyone as a right extremist.
Quote: Maher is a stand up comic, and most know it, and they laugh and don't really take him too seriously.
I think you would be surprised by how many people (especially young people) have a lot of their political views shaped by people like Maher and Jon Stewart.. then whenever they do something stupid, the fall back is, "Well they are just comedians"... Jon Stewarts views and youtube clips on political issues are frequently dropped into political discussions on this MB... I believe it is somewhat disingenuous to play both sides of the fence...
It's kind of like Michael Sam, who wants this to be all about his football ability and not about his personal life.. but oh by the way, I'm going to make a documentary on my life as a gay football player... if he wants to make a social statement, make one... but at least be honest about it.
If Maher wants to have a 1 hour show that always has political figures on in a debate style format and always talks about political issues don't tell me it's just about the comedy.. BS.
Quote: Also Maher will have Ann Coulter and other republican pundits on his comedy show to let them speak their opinions.
Maher's typical format is to have himself, an experienced liberal political figure or advisor, a celebrity like a comedian, who are all liberal.. and then somebody like the 20 year old leader of the young republican group from UCLA and the 3 liberals mock, poke fun, and tag team the poor guy for an hour to the amusement of his crowd... Once in a while he will get a conservative person that actually has a fighting chance to defend themselves but even then, it's always still 3 on 1... 4 on 1 if you count the crowd... To pretend that he wants to have an honest debate and actually entertain the conservative opinion is akin to saying that Sean Hannity wants to have a debate on equal footing on his radio show.. it just doesn't happen.
I'm sorry that you have lost logic in your vengeful hatred of "liberals". It's just obvious that it's wrong. I just told you why it is wrong, so don't pretend that I didn't. If it went over your head, so be it. Nothing I can do there either.
Quote: I think more than anything, the thing that irritates me about "Bring back our girls".....is the feminist ideology that somehow kidnapped girls becomes more of a story than all of the boys that were murdered. Like really?
I have 80/20 bought in to the anti feminist movement.
Boys were murdered as well? Articles I read didn't mention that at all.
That's exactly my point. When boys/men are killed it's not news. Femenist media only makes news when things like this happen to women.
Quote: AMATURU, Nigeria - Gunmen from Islamist group Boko Haram stormed a boarding school in Nigeria overnight and killed 29 pupils, police and the military said on Tuesday.
Many of the victims died as the school was burned to the ground.
"Some of the students' bodies were burned to ashes," Police Commissioner Sanusi Rufai said of the attack on the Federal Government college of Buni Yadi, a secondary school in Yobe state in the country's northeast.
All those killed were boys. No girls were touched, Rufai said.
Boko Haram, whose struggle for an Islamic state in northern Nigeria has killed thousands, are increasingly preying on the civilian population.
Here is another take you won't see in mainstream media.
Quote: What about the boys? Cara Delevingne, Malala Yousafzai, Jessica Biel and Michelle Obama's selfie protests
The kidnapping of the 276 predominantly Christian schoolgirls by Islamic terror group Boko Haram is an atrocity, but it is not the first atrocity they have committed. It is just the first one to trip the West’s interest switch. A girl’s right to an education has become an important pillar in western ideology, and an important pawn in the battle against radical Islam. It is why Malala has seen herself elevated to an almost saint-like position.
The recent kidnappings have enraged western sensibilities, because they desecrate hallowed ideas about female equality. The West has responded in the only way it knows how: a self-righteous selfie protest using the hashtag ‘Bring Back Our Girls’. Michelle Obama, Cara Delevingne, Jessica Biel and Anne Hathaway have all involved themselves in it. On a more pragmatic front, Britain announced this week that it would send in a small team of Whitehall experts (the subtext being that they are members of our intelligence services and Special Forces). In a toss-up between a selfie and the SAS, I know who I’d back to ‘bring back our girls’.
But Boko Haram – whose name means ‘western education is sinful’ – does not distinguish between the education of girls and boys. In February, the group attacked another school. After boarding up every exit, its men seized 59 boys and gunned them down or cut their throats with machetes. Some buildings were sealed up and set alight. The girls were ordered to go home, abandon their ‘wicked’ schooling and seek husbands.
Where was the selfie protest then? Or does a savage affront to male education matter less than a savage affront to female education? The answer should clearly be no. For equality to count, both boys and girls need to feel safe in school. By focusing only on the girls – ‘Our Girls’ – we forget the boys who are also in danger.
Like I said, I am done with feminism running wild in this country. This 3rd wave feminism is just garbage and I will not support it. It's gone so far beyond equality, that anytime I ever hear the words "I'm a feminist" I immediately tune that person out. Equality is one thing, but just looks at divorce laws in this country....
I can't find the video right now, but there is a youtube video showing that anytime MEN are killed, they say "soldiers or people or citizens" and anytime women are killed they call them women.
There is nothing wrong with increasing awareness, BUT awareness in itself accomplishes nothing. After awareness comes action.
I get tired of people blowing their horn to "raise awareness" and then think they have done something (usually this is only a worthless attempt to make people aware of that which they are already aware of to begin with).
Don't be the three millionth person to raise awareness, be the first to actually do something.
You and I are in agreement. However there's not much an average citizen of the United States, UK or France can do for the people in Nigeria except ask the people above us to aid Nigeria.
The first tool in the liberal tool box is to attempt to discredit/distort the messenger...then attempt to discredit/distort his sources/basis-of-argument...when that all fails - as it inevitably does - then make an outrageous statement that is so far off topic that the discussion cannot advance.
I don't think that's really limited to the argument tactics of liberals.
If you look around, you'll see this sort of thing is everywhere. Stuff like 'right out of the conservative playbook' or 'classic lib argument'. It's kind of the new lowest common denominator method of debate.
Quote: I'm sorry that you have lost logic in your vengeful hatred of "liberals". It's just obvious that it's wrong. I just told you why it is wrong, so don't pretend that I didn't. If it went over your head, so be it. Nothing I can do there either.
Are YOU KIDDING......you started the hate for COULTER,s actions because of her politics not her message and we all know it ,its just to bad that your ilk on this link wont admit it and thats one reason that we cant get anywhere in this country because its the LIB,S way or highway ,oh an by the way.....havent seen any of these caring sad faced ,sign holdin LIB,s leave their 1% mansions and really help the cause.......... no they want OUR TROOPS to do their bidding and go in harms way while they get the phony humanitarian awards in hollywood.
Quote: Are YOU KIDDING......you started the hate for COULTER,s actions because of her politics not her message and we all know it ,its just to bad that your ilk on this link wont admit it and thats one reason that we cant get anywhere in this country because its the LIB,S way or highway ,oh an by the way.....havent seen any of these caring sad faced ,sign holdin LIB,s leave their 1% mansions and really help the cause.......... no they want OUR TROOPS to do their bidding and go in harms way while they get the phony humanitarian awards in hollywood.
Nice job of not restoring my faith in PEOPLE. Classic example right there of the finger pointing crap I am talking about. So I guess because I think what Ann Coulter is doing is wrong I must be a "LIB" and then if I criticize Obama I am a racist Neo Con? Maybe I should join the rest of you sheep and pick a side and walk in lock step with what the powers tell me my opinion is supposed to be.]
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Quote: I'm sorry that you have lost logic in your vengeful hatred of "liberals". It's just obvious that it's wrong. I just told you why it is wrong, so don't pretend that I didn't. If it went over your head, so be it. Nothing I can do there either.
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Maher is a stand up comic, and most know it, and they laugh and don't really take him too seriously. Coulter is a republican pundit who never ever crosses party lines, and isn't a comedian. 
