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(2) If so, I hope the owner wins because Wiggins is better for us
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The owner wants Wiggins. Everyone else wants Parker.
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(1) I highly doubt that is the case
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Ditto.
Parker is a guy who needs the ball in his hands to succeed.
Unless we are trading Irving and/or Waiters, then I don't see how Parker fits this team. (and fit is something that the new GM has mentioned over and over again.
I don't know what the Bucks would have to offer in a trade, but they need Parker. They need an offensive player, and can afford a lack of defense with some of their core players. . Maybe the Cavaliers are trying to get the Bucks to trade up to #1 to get Parker? I just don't know what the Bucks have, would be willing to give up, and that the Cavs would want,
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I just don't know what the Bucks have, would be willing to give up, and that the Cavs would want,
no way they give up Giannis, so that pretty much leaves a protected future 1st round pick to move up a spot.
that only makes sense for us if it is truly a coin flip between Wiggins and Parker on our board. if we have one higher, then we cannot risk letting them get away for a future unknown asset.
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Cleveland pushed on deal centered on No. 1 pick for Kevin Love, but his refusal to re-sign w/ Cavs has killed talks, sources tell Yahoo.
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I think that would be a no-brainer. Why give up the #1 pick for a one year rental?
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It is more telling that he doesn't want to go to Cleveland. It's not really that surprising. Curry > Irving, Bay Area > Cleveland
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The writer for probasketballtalk believes the Cavs being "torn" is all an act to fish out offers. While I have no idea who they'd take I do find it mildly comforting that they probably aren't as indecisive as portrayed.
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Love was never coming here.
Like you said, Cavs fans are delusional. They really have an overinflated sense of team worth/attractiveness.
We've supplanted the Clippers as the most dysfunctional franchise in the league, and people talk about us as if we're in the running for premier free agents.
The Cavs have been given golden opportunity after golden opportunity to bounce back from LeBron's departure and they haven't even sniffed an 8 seed yet.
Bad location, bad personnel moves, an owner with the worst reputation outside of Donald Sterling...I can't say there's no chance, but what made everyone think that premier FA's would even consider playing here?
As a team and a fan base, we really need to stay in our lane. Draft Wiggins and focus on building a competitive team. Forget LeBron. He'll be back on his last contract.
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It is more telling that he doesn't want to go to Cleveland. It's not really that surprising. Curry > Irving, Bay Area > Cleveland
Of course he doesn't want to come to Cleveland. Unless Lebron is here, why would he want to come to Cleveland?
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That really is amazing. He may be a 7 and a half footer by the time all is said and done. lol Back to Cav's news ...... Cavs' David Blatt: "I'm not an offensive or a defensive coach. I'm a basketball coach." (video, slideshow) | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/06/cavs_david_blatt_im_not_an_off.html#incart_2boxINDEPENDENCE, Ohio – David Blatt can't tell you exactly how this Cavaliers team is going to play under his direction. He isn't declaring that this now will be a magical offensive spectacle or a defensive force. He doesn't claim to be an expert at coaching either, in fact. "I'm not an offensive or defensive coach," he said. "I'm a basketball coach." He's the newest Cavaliers coach, fresh from Maccabi Tel Aviv and a Euroleague Championship, the first European coach to make the leap straight to a head coaching position in the NBA. And he entertained media with quips and jokes when he was introduced at a news conference Wednesday, but also talked about why he's the right fit to lead the Cavaliers in their fourth year of rebuilding. Simply, he will find the right system for the players on the roster, he will connect with them individually and as a team, and the fact that he's never coached a single game in the NBA won't make a bit of difference. "I won't come in and run the Princeton offense just because I played for the great Pete Carril at Princeton," Blatt said. "I'm going to see what I have, I'm going to decide together with the coaching staff what the best way for us to play is. And most importantly, figure out how we're going to win the most games." Blatt, 55, is a Massachusetts native who signed an incentive-laden, three-year deal with a team option for a fourth that could be worth up to $20 million. His hiring was the culmination of a 39-day search for a coach that included interviews with 11 candidates. He becomes the first European head coach to become an NBA head coach. "I know that I'm carrying a torch," Blatt said of that honor. "I hope like hell that I don't drop it. I don't plan on it." The NBA game is different than the international game, Blatt acknowledged. "The game is not so different as people think it is," he said. "It's a little bit longer here. Perhaps the level of athleticism and speed all around the court is different. But it's not like playing baseball and soccer. It's still the same game." Cavaliers general manager David Griffin has few doubts about Blatt's ability to transition "He's gotten the most out of whatever talent he's had," Griffin said. "If gritty and overachieving is a talent, he has that. And I think that's something we want to embody as a team. I think it's what the city represents, to a huge degree. I think it's a perfect fit culturally for all of us." Blatt has been approached by numerous NBA teams in his past 20 years of coaching abroad, but didn't make the jump until now, when he felt he had accomplished "about all I could." He grew up a Boston Celtics fan, listening to Johnny Most broadcast games on the radio and "had that NBA dream in my ear and in my heart." "I was happy and fulfilled in what I was doing, but I never, for a moment, lost the hope that I would come full circle and make my way back to the places where I grew up and to be part of something that was so much a part of me," Blatt said.
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Could be smoke ... might be trying to get Philly to bite on a deal to trade up to #1.
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How would feigning interest in Exum make Philly more inclined to move up?
If anything, it would elicit the opposite reaction.
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How would feigning interest in Exum make Philly more inclined to move up?
If anything, it would elicit the opposite reaction.
Because they want Wiggins ... so if you're showing interest in a guy that might be going at 4 or 5, you're making it look like someone is offering a better deal than the one they're offering to move up. There's been a couple of rumors about the Magic and the Jazz moving up to take #1, so this could be a push to get Philly to up their ante.
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...So how does everyone feel about Tyler Zellers potential?
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I just don't see many scenarios where I would pass on Wiggins.
But I've almost given up the hope of us making sound draft decisions at this point.
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That really is amazing. He may be a 7 and a half footer by the time all is said and done. lol
Back to Cav's news ......
Cavs' David Blatt: "I'm not an offensive or a defensive coach. I'm a basketball coach." (video, slideshow) | cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/06/cavs_david_blatt_im_not_an_off.html#incart_2box
INDEPENDENCE, Ohio – David Blatt can't tell you exactly how this Cavaliers team is going to play under his direction. He isn't declaring that this now will be a magical offensive spectacle or a defensive force.
He doesn't claim to be an expert at coaching either, in fact.
"I'm not an offensive or defensive coach," he said. "I'm a basketball coach."
He's the newest Cavaliers coach, fresh from Maccabi Tel Aviv and a Euroleague Championship, the first European coach to make the leap straight to a head coaching position in the NBA.
And he entertained media with quips and jokes when he was introduced at a news conference Wednesday, but also talked about why he's the right fit to lead the Cavaliers in their fourth year of rebuilding.
Simply, he will find the right system for the players on the roster, he will connect with them individually and as a team, and the fact that he's never coached a single game in the NBA won't make a bit of difference.
"I won't come in and run the Princeton offense just because I played for the great Pete Carril at Princeton," Blatt said. "I'm going to see what I have, I'm going to decide together with the coaching staff what the best way for us to play is. And most importantly, figure out how we're going to win the most games."
Blatt, 55, is a Massachusetts native who signed an incentive-laden, three-year deal with a team option for a fourth that could be worth up to $20 million. His hiring was the culmination of a 39-day search for a coach that included interviews with 11 candidates. He becomes the first European head coach to become an NBA head coach.
"I know that I'm carrying a torch," Blatt said of that honor. "I hope like hell that I don't drop it. I don't plan on it."
The NBA game is different than the international game, Blatt acknowledged.
"The game is not so different as people think it is," he said. "It's a little bit longer here. Perhaps the level of athleticism and speed all around the court is different. But it's not like playing baseball and soccer. It's still the same game."
Cavaliers general manager David Griffin has few doubts about Blatt's ability to transition
"He's gotten the most out of whatever talent he's had," Griffin said. "If gritty and overachieving is a talent, he has that. And I think that's something we want to embody as a team. I think it's what the city represents, to a huge degree. I think it's a perfect fit culturally for all of us."
Blatt has been approached by numerous NBA teams in his past 20 years of coaching abroad, but didn't make the jump until now, when he felt he had accomplished "about all I could."
He grew up a Boston Celtics fan, listening to Johnny Most broadcast games on the radio and "had that NBA dream in my ear and in my heart."
"I was happy and fulfilled in what I was doing, but I never, for a moment, lost the hope that I would come full circle and make my way back to the places where I grew up and to be part of something that was so much a part of me," Blatt said.
My kind of guy. I like him already 
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You just like to hate on Gilbert. What has Riley done in Miami, that Gilbert didn't do? Guys wanted to play in Miami. You think if they came to Cleveland, and Gilbert had 2 championships, you would be talking about him like you are? Put Riley in Cleveland, and tell me how good that slimeball is.
Gillbert just made Lue the highest paid assistant in professional sports history. Donald Sterling my ass. Sure he has made mistakes in hiring Chris Grant, and Mike Brown, but when the stars don't want to come play for you based on your area, you're really playing with your hands behind your back. This is more of a problem with the nba, than Dan.
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Good enough where I wouldn't mind if we don't draft another big man, but I wouldn't be opposed to taking one in the 2nd round (like Walter Tavares).
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3 #1 picks in 4 years isn't exactly playing with your hands tied behind your back.
If you can't make the 8 seed in the East with five top 5 picks in 4 years, that's on you, not the fact that no one wants to play in Cleveland.
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If you can't make the 8 seed in the East with five top 5 picks in 4 years, that's on you, not the fact that no one wants to play in Cleveland.
Wouldn't that be on the players also?
Seriously, besides Kyrie, which even at the time was a "risk" pick (played what, 11 games in college?) what pick can you really say at the time "you should of taken that guy"
Harrison Barnes? Is he even a starter?
Andre Drummond? Who went 9?
We ended up winn the lotto last year, and took a bad pick, in a bad draft..
By your logic how many teams should be competing now, but are still in the lottery?
Was hiring Mike Brown again the best idea? No. But to say he wasn't a well respected assistant his first time around is a flat up lie..
And regardless of who the coach is, you still have to go out and play like you give a damn, and our All Star super popular Point Guard rarely did...
Owners own, Managers manage, players play... So when the team plays bad, who's fault is that? (The Answer is D: All of the Above)
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Back to the draft for a minute ..... The Plain Dealer's Chris Fedor opines on whet the Cavaliers should do with the #1 pick ..... and mostly comes back to making the case that the Cavaliers have the best piece in any potential deal ...... and that they should not make a trade unless someone else gives them a piece that is better than that. I can't argue with that. He said that unless the Cavaliers can get a guy like Cousins, (a guy I liked last year, and was told I was nuts for liking) or another max deal (or close) caliber player, then they should hold the pick and use it themselves. I absolutely agree. This team does not need role players. This team needs stars, and they received a huge piece of good luck when they just missed the playoffs last season, and then won the top overall pick. They are in position to add a star player. No way they should pass that up to get role players. I also think that the talk of confusion in the front office, and them possibly taking Parker is all smokescreen. I think that, with Embiid's injury, Wiggins is the best piece. He is the best fit, and the best in terms of giving the team what they need today, and the best as far as upside. The Cavs' best option right now is to stay at No. 1 and make a pick: Chris Fedor's rant of the day | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/06/the_cavs_best_option_right_now.html
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He said that unless the Cavaliers can get a guy like Cousins, (a guy I liked last year, and was told I was nuts for liking)
Once again, that never happened.
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He said that unless the Cavaliers can get a guy like Cousins, (a guy I liked last year, and was told I was nuts for liking)
Once again, that never happened.
Did I say that it was you that said that?
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Once again, that never happened.
Did I say that it was you that said that?
No, I was just pointing out that no one ever said you were nuts for liking Cousins. A lot of people said there was no way the Kings would part with him for the hypothetical assets offered, and one poster said he was too wary of his maturity issues to take him on.
But no one said you were nuts, or derided you, or even strongly disagreed with you.
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Might have been a different board, now that I think of it. I did post on a Cavaliers board for a while.
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Which one?
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I just don't see many scenarios where I would pass on Wiggins.
But I've almost given up the hope of us making sound draft decisions at this point.
Wiggins is my pick. No trade. Just take him.
I'm only concerned about his weight. The only plus is if he turns sideways on O the entire 5 on D might not see him. 
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I think Wiggins is a great fit long term, but I wouldn't mind Parker either. I think both will be all stars, so I won't be mad either way. If I had to make the pick it would be Wiggins. Think he will balance out our liabilities on defense. Don't think he will be a prolific scorer as Parker, but he makes up for it in other areas.
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I just don't see many scenarios where I would pass on Wiggins.
But I've almost given up the hope of us making sound draft decisions at this point.
Wiggins is my pick. No trade. Just take him.
I'm only concerned about his weight. The only plus is if he turns sideways on O the entire 5 on D might not see him.
At his age, weight shouldn't be a huge concern unless one is worried that his frame can't handle packing some muscle/weight, and with Wiggins, I'm not concerned on that front.
He's the obvious pick. I really, really, really hope the reports about our FO liking Parker aren't true. Unless you're looking to burn down the core for the guy and rebuild completely, taking him doesn't make much sense. We have enough scorers who can't play defense.
Watching Wiggins tape at work all day, I find myself feeling like I'll throw something at the TV if we pass on him, unless there's some monster deal too good to pass up.
This guy has a legit chance to be the next great wing in the NBA.
Really sick of this franchise's dysfunction and ineptitude. Get it together, Cavs.
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I sometimes post on the Plain Dealers website, and used to post occasionally on the Cavaliers forum. (usually only heading up to the draft, and/or if this board breaks down. lol Realcavsfans isn't too bad. This is my favorite board, by miles and miles ..... but no one can eat steak all the time. Sometimes you just want a cheap, greasy burger. 
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I just don't see many scenarios where I would pass on Wiggins.
But I've almost given up the hope of us making sound draft decisions at this point.
Wiggins is my pick. No trade. Just take him.
I'm only concerned about his weight. The only plus is if he turns sideways on O the entire 5 on D might not see him.
At his age, weight shouldn't be a huge concern unless one is worried that his frame can't handle packing some muscle/weight, and with Wiggins, I'm not concerned on that front.
He's the obvious pick. I really, really, really hope the reports about our FO liking Parker aren't true. Unless you're looking to burn down the core for the guy and rebuild completely, taking him doesn't make much sense. We have enough scorers who can't play defense.
Watching Wiggins tape at work all day, I find myself feeling like I'll throw something at the TV if we pass on him, unless there's some monster deal too good to pass up.
This guy has a legit chance to be the next great wing in the NBA.
Really sick of this franchise's dysfunction and ineptitude. Get it together, Cavs.
I'm sure it's been mentioned in this thread but...........Question for all.
If the Cavs are able to reel in LBJ...............
1. Would it be redundant to have that much talent invested in 1 position.....SF?
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2. LBJ goes back to G?.
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3. If you have 2 Michael Jordans you put em anywhere just as long as they're on the floor?
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Wiggins can play the 2 or the 3.
LeBron can pretty much play 1-4.
Accommodating the two of them on the floor is a non-issue.
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Man, I wish I could see how Thompson will do for Blatt. I really liked his developmental arc, until he seemed to stall last year. (despite becoming ambidextrous)
I fully expected him to become a double double guy last year, and he almost did ..... but it was a kind of disappointing "almost" double double.
I do wonder how much of that was Brown's handling of the roster ..... with him really chopping up TT's minutes in March and April.He went from averaging 32-33 minutes/game to 27-28. It doesn't seem like much, but I really think it affected Thompson.
I wouldn't want to go into the season with him as our only option at the 4 ..... but I do think that he might do a lot better under Blatt.
Karasev has also played under Blatt in the past, IIRC. While he never seemed to do much last year, (and I did expect something out of him) I do think (maybe hope) that he could move into a rotation role this year.
There have been reports of the Cavaliers trying to move Jack and his contract to make room for .... something.
CJ MIles, Deng, and Gee are all almost (at the very least) certainly gone.
I wonder if the Cavaliers will try to bring Hawes back. He might fit well in the Princeton offense, as he can move and shoot with decent range. He might be a piece for them, if they can re-sign him at a decent rate. He's not a max guy ..... but he could be valuable.
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Thompson's more or less done here. A failed experiment at the 4 pick. Maybe a decent rotation guy for a mid-level team. We'd be insane to keep him around for the money he'll command.
I admit that I put a bit too much stock in him and expected more growth than we've seen. But the bottom line is, he's borderline laughable on offense, and can't bang with the better 4's in the league at the other end.
His ceiling is a limited minutes bench player on a contender, the type that contributes during the regular season and only hits the floor during the postseason for mop up.
Not going to rehash it with Karasev, but....told you so. Not sure what you were smoking on that one. At the moment, his ceiling is a catch-and-shoot guy on the wing in limited minutes, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
I'd be all for bringing Hawes back if the price is right. You can drop a little extra coin that you should for that type of player, but within reason.
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I think a little more highly of Thompson that you do. I don't think that he's a great player, but I do think that he can be a useful player. I don't know what happened last year, but Brown certainly didn't seem to bring out the best in anyone. I think that, unless the Cavaliers somehow manage a trade for a starting 4, they will bring back Thompson. He'll make $5 million ...... but that's not a problem depending on who they can add in free agency.
I was wrong in that Karasev didn't contribute last year ..... btu I still think that he's a viable NBA player.
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Wiggins has some suit on. Wow! At least one of the ESPN guys seem to think a lot of Griffin.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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