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I ask this every time the issue comes up, and no one's ever answered...
Why do so many people pretend that the whole notion of being politically correct is a left or liberal thing?
How would I know? I think it's more of a chicken crap thing myself
I think this entire subject matter is silly.
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Because you COMPLETELY miss the point.
Of course I do.
So tell me...........would they allow an owner to call his team the Nashville Niggers? It's his team. He has free speech.
What's the difference?
But of course, I COMPLETELY miss the point and you COMPLETELY get it. Pfffttttttttt
The double standard gets me. Why did a player get in trouble for saying negative things about Sam? Doesn't he have free speech? Why are NFL people fired for making politically incorrect remarks about African Americans? Don't they have free speech?
You are the one who COMPLETELY missed the point. It's about several groups having enough voices to be heard, so no one can say anything about them and another group that doesn't have much a voice, so you closet racists can say whatever the hell you want about them.
Hypocritical.
Yes you DO miss the point...CONSTITUTIONALLY......YES he should be allowed to name his team that offensive name.
HOWEVER, DC does bring up a good point concerning them being a part of a larger organization in the NFL. And thereby they are subject to some oversight on the NFL part. This does not override their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT....But they do have an agreement with said organization and can choose to name their business a racial slur and NOT be a part of the NFL or allow the NFL have input into their name....
But here is the thing....the NFL can allow the offensive name...it is THEIR RIGHT as well......
You ask "Would they???" you should ask "Should they" not in moral or business terms but in legal and constitutional terms....In constitutional terms...the answer is absolutely YES....Obviously in moral terms it doesn't seem right nor respectful in any way to name a team that offensive to so many. And in business terms...well it is quite obvious that the team would not find many supporters and do well financially...
Which goes back to my previous post....A business exists to make money....and if the name is a hindrance upon that...such as the name you suggested....they can either change it or eventually go out of business...BUT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT.
And frankly you are going to have to learn to deal with it...You don't have to like it...you don't have to support nor contribute to it...but under the Laws that founded this country...you DO have to allow it....
and hold the freaking phone...."closet racist" Really???? I am trying to have a conversation in a very logical and non emotional plane....Because emotions cloud the issue...You don't have one clue about how I feel about the "Redskins" name....I have spoken about peoples rights and what they should be allowed to do under the laws of this land EVEN IF IT IS DESPICABLE...and you call me a closet racist....I think that is a bit over the line....
But I guess us so called "closet racists" are not allowed to think or say anything unless it fits your view....sounds like how racism works except my group is abstract thinkers and not a specific color, gender, or ethnicity....I understand the term is called bigotry. Congratulations you win.... 
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YES he should be allowed to name his team that offensive name.
I'm pretty sure I'm in the majority here, but I don't find the name offensive.
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You speak like you are an authority on the subject, but you are just another poster w/an opinion. You are getting bent out of shape because some people have a problem w/the term "Redskins."
I still can't get past "why?" Why the heck is it so important to some of you that the name be maintained? Heck, you are getting angry because I don't like the name. Why? When I examine the possible answers as to why people are getting so worked up about keeping the name Redskins.........well, it doesn't shed a very nice light on you.
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How many times are you going to say that and if this isn't a big deal......... why do you keep posting on this particular topic? You are so transparent.
You guys hide behind free speech and how you hate the politically correct people, yet you come on here and get upset w/those who are expressing their own opinion on why they don't like the name.
Once again, it's hypocritical.
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How many times are you going to say that and if this isn't a big deal......... why do you keep posting on this particular topic? You are so transparent.
You guys hide behind free speech and how you hate the politically correct people, yet you come on here and get upset w/those who are expressing their own opinion on why they don't like the name.
Once again, it's hypocritical.
The next time someone says I stock you, I'm going to bring this up.... Shut up and leave me alone.
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The next time someone says I stock you, I'm going to bring this up.... Shut up and leave me alone.
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Put you on a shelf, next to the tomato sauce. 
I think that he meant "stalk".
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You speak like you are an authority on the subject, but you are just another poster w/an opinion. You are getting bent out of shape because some people have a problem w/the term "Redskins."
I still can't get past "why?" Why the heck is it so important to some of you that the name be maintained? Heck, you are getting angry because I don't like the name. Why? When I examine the possible answers as to why people are getting so worked up about keeping the name Redskins.........well, it doesn't shed a very nice light on you.
No I am bent out of shape because I tried to have an intelligent conversation with you and you called me a racist. 
I even said it is your right that you don't have to like it...that you can protest against it...that you can try to get others to protest with you...BUT WHAT YOU CANNOT DO is force this person to change the name...You dDON'T HAVE to like it...BUT YOU DO HAVE TO ACCEPT that it is THEIR RIGHT to have that name.
And it is NOT important to me that the Redskin Name prevails....It IS important to me that a persons rights are not trampled upon.....
How many times does it need to be said to get it through your head that the actual name is not the issue.
The name is not the issue....
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You speak like you are an authority on the subject, but you are just another poster w/an opinion. You are getting bent out of shape because some people have a problem w/the term "Redskins."
I still can't get past "why?" Why the heck is it so important to some of you that the name be maintained? Heck, you are getting angry because I don't like the name. Why? When I examine the possible answers as to why people are getting so worked up about keeping the name Redskins.........well, it doesn't shed a very nice light on you.
Why is easy. This is a manufactured 'crisis' brought forth by those pushing political correctness. I am against censorship, as it goes against our freedoms. I am a smart enough person that I can change a channel, not pay to see a movie, or not buy product or paraphernalia from a company or team I disagree with. I don't need some do gooder out there in the world to tell me something is offensive and I should be against it. I already know what is good and what isn't.
That being said, the name Redskins was not picked as it was a slur. It was picked for the same reason all names of sports teams are picked. The names are picked due to admiration of speed, stamina, fighting spirit, to instill fear, etc. The only reason anyone has a problem with the name is due to the politically correct attempting to put a negative connotation on the name. Previous polls have shown that most tribal nations in this country are happy to be represented by a team. As the polls aren't where the politically correct want them, they continually lobby to denigrate the name, manufacturing the problem.
This actually reminds me of the bar game of midget tossing back in the 80s and 90s. The PC crowd came out of the wood work to say how degrading this game was, and how it should be stopped. The people that were mostly hurt by the ban on midget tossing were the midgets that had their own niche and were suddenly out of a job. The same thing happened with the ban of smoking in bars. There were two very popular non-smoking sports bars that lost a lot of business when they banned smoking in all bars in my area. I should be able to choose if I want to go to a smoking bar or a non-smoking bar. If I was taking my kid out to watch the game at a bar, I'm going to choose a kid friendly non-smoking establishment over the smoking one. Now if I'm without my kid, I don't have a choice anymore.
When these uppity idiots are able to pick and choose how the rest of us should speak, think, buy, sell, live, or what rights we should have, before long none of us will have anything. For the most part, the PC crowd attempts to label anyone that doesn't agree with them as racist, bigoted, uneducated, or any other type of slur they can come up with, and I disagree with them on almost every issue. They fragment our society by doing this.
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I don't care if they change the name or not, I don't care if it's PC or not. I don't care if anyone else cares.
My only issue, which means very little to me in this case by itself, but more so what it would mean in the bigger picture if it can become the accepted norm is, "Who is deciding it is insulting, racist, inappropriate or whatever?"
If the argument is coming from some non-Indian, middle class white guy with no support from the people with which he claims it is insulting, then this would set a new norm by which anyone can claim something is insulting or derogatory with no basis in fact.
So this case by itself is of little concern to me, but the precedence it could set is of concern, but only if those making the claim have no support from those the they claim or being wronged.
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The next time someone says I stock you, I'm going to bring this up.... Shut up and leave me alone.
Stock me?
Put you on a shelf, next to the tomato sauce.
I think that he meant "stalk".
Geez,, yes, stalk.. Oh brother..
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Geez,, yes, stalk.. Oh brother..
I'm sure you liked the tomato sauce option as well. 
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The next time someone says I stock you, I'm going to bring this up.... Shut up and leave me alone.
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I think that he meant "stalk".
Geez,, yes, stalk.. Oh brother..
I'm sure you liked the tomato sauce option as well.
Why yes, yes I did
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the fact we are even arguing over something so trivial as the name of a football team being "The Redskins" is quite sad really....who cares...honestly...
its a sad state of affairs that this country has sunk to such pathetic behavior.....its sniveling at its worst.
oooohhhh! you can't say that! you might offend somebody. Oooooooooooohhhhh! you can't write that, someone might get mad!
pfft!....what a joke...if your biggest problem in life is being offended by the name of a football team, count yourself lucky.
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....It IS important to me that a persons rights are not trampled upon.....
You have the right to do as you say and please in this country. Your right to free speech doesn't give you the right to discriminate, put down others, exhibit control of those who are of a different skin color, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc.
In closing....free speech doesn't give you permission to be offensive or discriminate against others without due consequence.
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US Citizens have the right to free speech, right to assemble, and the right to petition the government. Why in your corporate fetishism are you ignoring the peoples' rights?
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I think that far too much gets lumped together under the umbrella of political correctness.Where does the line get drawn when someone opposes certain language or speech on moral grounds?
Like, say, the term 'Redskin'?
The way I see it, 'P.C.' is used as a dismissive term towards those whose sensibilities one disagrees with, but when it's their sensibilities that are offended, suddenly it's not 'P.C.' It's just objection on moral grounds.
Personally, I think the term is stupid and myopic. I object to any form of censorship on a public level. Institutions can certainly have their own boundaries (though I often disagree with them).
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"Midget" is not a medical term. Also, can I start calling people slurs if it's out of affection? Just groups of people?
You're right, midget is not a medical term. Dwarf, as in dwarfism, is. The term little people (which oddly enough is still what leprechauns and other fairies are called in Ireland and the UK) is acceptable in this country.
You can call people what ever you want. They also have the right to ostracize you. What you should not have a right to do is take away someone's trademarks for a term that is being ginned up for being offensive. Language should not be limited. As stated many times in this thread earlier, if people stop using the product, the name might change.
I personally refused by buy Snickers bars for years after the commercial they ran with two Browns fans in the empty old Muni, but I didn't call for them to go out of business.
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There's a difference between making fun of browns fans and using a caricature of a group of people we literally all but exterminated many years ago.
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Yes, you can call people what you want and ostracize them. The problem is some people believe this to mean they can call people and ostracize people and not face any criticism themselves. For example, you can still call a little person a midget or a dwarf and it's perfectly legal. You can call a Native American a "Redskin" as well or a black person a you know what, however you will get called out on it and may even get hurt for (Rightfully so, by the way). This is the part that "politically incorrect" people do not understand.
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You can call a Native American a "Redskin" as well or a black person a you know what, however you will get called out on it and may even get hurt for (Rightfully so, by the way).
So if a person believes that Native Americans are savages worthy of the term Redskin or that black folks are thugs worthy of the N word, the best way to prove them wrong is to beat them up?
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Yes. Someone should have beat them up a long time ago. Anyone who believes things like those only respond to force, you can try to discuss, debate or have any meaningful conversation with them, but it'll fall on deaf ears much to your chagrin.
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You can call a Native American a "Redskin" as well or a black person a you know what, however you will get called out on it and may even get hurt for (Rightfully so, by the way).
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It's not a minorities job to seek approval from every white person. This isn't really a radical thought process considering we have many taking the same stand in another thread.
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It's not a minorities job to seek approval from every white person.
It's not a minorities place to try to beat approval into people either... in fact it seems rather counterproductive, no matter how good it might feel at the moment.
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It's not a minorities job to seek approval from every white person.
It's not a minorities place to try to beat approval into people either... in fact it seems rather counterproductive, no matter how good it might feel at the moment.
While it may seem that way historically it works.
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"Midget" is not a medical term. Also, can I start calling people slurs if it's out of affection? Just groups of people?
I personally refused by buy Snickers bars for years after the commercial they ran with two Browns fans in the empty old Muni, but I didn't call for them to go out of business.
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Yes. Someone should have beat them up a long time ago. Anyone who believes things like those only respond to force, you can try to discuss, debate or have any meaningful conversation with them, but it'll fall on deaf ears much to your chagrin.
So, in essence, if someone disagrees with you, they should be beaten up, or should have been beaten up a long time ago since they only respond to force?
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Thanks for the clarification, because that is what you said.
That's not what I said. If you need me to repeat what I said, I can, but if you scroll up it's right there as well.
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It's not a minorities place to try to beat approval into people either... in fact it seems rather counterproductive, no matter how good it might feel at the moment.
While it may seem that way historically it works.
Did it work for the skinheads beating gays?
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No I am bent out of shape because I tried to have an intelligent conversation with you and you called me a racist.
An intelligent conversation? LOL..........your first words to me were that I "...COMPLETELY missed the point..." That sounds more like an insult than an attempt to have an intelligent conversation.
I find it ironic how some of you are going on about free speech, yet you want to gang up and criticize people who voice their opinion about not liking the Redskin name.
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Depends on what their goal was, but if we're talking about Skinheads in America, then we need to say that they have all of their rights granted to them while gays do not.
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And those who oppose the name "Redskins" are within their rights to do so ...... just as those who want the status quo maintained are within their rights to oppose any change.
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