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That's how I feel Pit. I don't drink. I use to so I understand it's lure. Anymore I don't like how it makes me feel. Sloppy and tired. I hate hangovers. More so I don't like how people act when they're drunk. Clingy, loud, and generally obnoxious. Drinking is a bigger commitment. Once drunk, you're drunk. It renders you useless to society. You can't drive, parent, or do much else productive.
So I've chosen my way of unwinding after a stressful day. I come home and light up. I can still function the rest of the evening, accomplish my household duties, and not wake up the next day with a headache.
But in 48 states I'm a criminal. Recreational use will be on Oregon's ballot this fall. You know where my vote will go.
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I am not arguing on whether people should smoke pot or not. I really don't care. I don't think I wanted my surgeon to have lit up or drank a couple of brews right before he sliced my throat open, but that is not what I am about to debate.
It galls me that people who are receiving welfare and food stamps somehow have enough money to buy drugs and alcohol. I don't want to see anyone starve. I especially don't want to see children do w/out food and a place to live. But I don't want to pay for someone to get high or drunk w/my hard earned money. If you have money for those things, you don't need welfare and food stamps.
They are abusing the system. Taking money that should go for household items and necessities for their children and buying drugs and alcohol instead. And that my friend, makes me very angry and upset w/the entire system of enabling people to not work and still think they should not have to make any sacrifices.
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I'm with you Vers. I work in an area that has a lot of government housing. At the beginning of each month daily I watch the same people over and over for years, walking down the street with bags of beer or liquor. It is almost comical. The local bar, is packed for the first week of each month. The local "street walkers" are out in full force, yet the local grocery store is no busier than usual.
Then about halfway through the month, a local mission hands out groceries. The streets are filled with folks carrying home free food.
There is a ton of drug activity, just a block from our shop. And the street I use to get to work is always the scene of a drug deal. Same thing happens at the beginning of each month. Deal after deal goes down out in the open. I see high school aged kids right on the street smoking "blunts". Yet after a week passes, it there is very little activity.
Anybody who thinks that little government money is being used for drugs and alcohol are naive. I personally know quite a few "welfare' recipients who spend most of their benefits on partying. My wife works at a grocery store and can't believe what is being bought with the EBT card.
If it weren't for assuring votes, most politicians would jump on the chance to look like they were saving tax dollars and limiting drug use. But assuring that these people are given anything they want without question gaurantees being reelected.
I would also like to add that, I feel members of congress and any other government employee at any level should be subjected to the testing just as we are. A friend of mine was an intern in Columbus for the state house. He has met mnay prominent politicians from all over the country, many who most people would recognize fairly easy. He has told stories of parties with cocaine and hookers. Said he even smoked with a couple of them, he was told not to worry, "he was covered".
It is hypocrisy at the highest level. Bottom line is, if you recieve benefits testing should be mandatory, and random, just like it is for any other w
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They are abusing the system. Taking money that should go for household items and necessities for their children and buying drugs and alcohol instead. And that my friend, makes me very angry and upset w/the entire system of enabling people to not work and still think they should not have to make any sacrifices.
Very well said.
It also bothers me that no matter how it's meted out the punishment is ultimately taken by the children. Dock the family some cash because an adult misses an appointment, well, that's the kids money. It's all the kids money. It's to provide them a place to live and necessities. Hold any of that money back and it hurts the kids who have no part in any infraction.
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They are abusing the system. Taking money that should go for household items and necessities for their children and buying drugs and alcohol instead. And that my friend, makes me very angry and upset w/the entire system of enabling people to not work and still think they should not have to make any sacrifices.
Very well said.
It also bothers me that no matter how it's meted out the punishment is ultimately taken by the children. Dock the family some cash because an adult misses an appointment, well, that's the kids money. It's all the kids money. It's to provide them a place to live and necessities. Hold any of that money back and it hurts the kids who have no part in any infraction.
why drug users should not be allowed to breed.
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I usually just scroll past your posts because of asinine comments like that one.
Perhaps a more appropriate form of punishment should be considered which punishes the adult who committed the infraction instead of punishing the children by taking away their money.
Perhaps the adult could be required to perform an appropriate number of hours in community service cleaning-up outside, washing something, painting something, etc, etc. They already have to work a number of hours for the benefits. Screw up and be required to add to those hours.
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It galls me that people who are receiving welfare and food stamps somehow have enough money to buy drugs and alcohol. I don't want to see anyone starve. I especially don't want to see children do w/out food and a place to live. But I don't want to pay for someone to get high or drunk w/my hard earned money. If you have money for those things, you don't need welfare and food stamps.
I don't disagree with you at all actually. But it's not an equal playing field. Alcohol leaves your system by I believe one ounce an hour. So unless someone is a flaming alcoholic, it would be very hard to find that in a test the next day. So whether we like it or not, for the most part this program gives alcohol users a free pass.
Hard drugs leave your system within 48-72 hours which unless someone is a true addict, make the odds of them failing the test far lower than weed.
Weed however can stay in your system for a month. The levels in your system indicate how much and how often you use it. If someone uses weed say two or three times a month, they would still fail and lose benefits. Even though it could have been shared with them by a friend or relative with no benefit money being spent towards it. That was more my point than anything.
If the levels are so high it strongly indicates they are habitual pot smokers, there's a very good likelihood they are using tax dollars to buy weed. In such a case I would agree with you. What bothers me is if Uncle Billy stops by a couple of times a month and burns one with my dad and suddenly we don't have any food.
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They are abusing the system. Taking money that should go for household items and necessities for their children and buying drugs and alcohol instead. And that my friend, makes me very angry and upset w/the entire system of enabling people to not work and still think they should not have to make any sacrifices.
Once again we agree. And it would be very easy for such tests to set levels when it comes to weed that would distinguish someone who actually uses a lot of money to purchase weed, verses someone who uses it very sparingly. Because to me, that's the difference between someone who may be abusing the system and someone who may not be spending a dime to smoke on rare occasions.
I know we probably don't see this the same. I was just trying to point out that I understand people abuse the system and I want that to stop as well. I just don't see someone who happens to smoke weed a few times a month as being a part of that issue.
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thought we were not talking about this until Gordon got suspended? I can only hold back so much!!!!
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I have a feeling this thread is going to get moved to another forum with the posts having not a damn thing to do with pure football.
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Its fine where it is. There wont be any pure football for weeks probably so mod can have a vacation =)
Portland I honestly don't care what people do in their own homes, so long as, their family's are taken care of with out government aide. I believe that if you pay your bills off your own efforts and sweat, your kids are healthy and educated, and the wife is OK then the government should mind their own business.
We are not all in an ideal situation in life and often there is nothing we can do to change it except to find ways to cope and survive it. I'm glad to hear you gave up getting drunk as a way of coping. I wish you could also get rid of those things that have you so stressed out that you need to light one up. I've been in some very stressful situations myself and it's not easy to get through it without something to help you along. One of the great allures of pot is that it makes it seem like your troubles fade away and don't matter so much. The trouble is when it makes you stop caring enough about the things you need to take care that you start to just let things slide. Then they just start getting forgotten until you wake up one day and BAM your in trouble because of something that kept getting pushed to the side for later and now its come to bite you in the arse. I've seen it happen so many times with people I know who started using pot. Most of them also used to drink a lot but started doing pot because its a lot cheaper to get high on pot then to buy enough beer to get drunk for hardcore alcoholics with a high tolerance for it.
Thing is most pot dealers also deal the hard stuff too. They usually don't mention that though unless they are asked so they don't scare off their light pot users. Light users are the ones that buy it for that weekend party or once in a while use. They don't build up the same tolerance as every day users to where they need more and more of it to get the same effect. God help the ones who get sold heroine laced pot by accident because now they have a VERY tough addiction to fight on their hands.
Portland I'm not judging you. I'm just saying be careful bud because I've personally seen a lot of harm come from pot. It's not an innocent drug and its not just the user who gets hurt from it.
I would have to move to another state if they ever legalized it in my state. No way in hell I let that stuff be around my kids with the government's blessing. It hasn't worked out for anywhere that has either.
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Thanks for your rational response. It's nice to have dialog without the witch hunt mentality. Quote:
I would have to move to another state if they ever legalized it in my state. No way in hell I let that stuff be around my kids with the government's blessing. It hasn't worked out for anywhere that has either.
I think it's easy to over deamonize a plant and underestimate society's ability to find a balance.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/176/eurostudy.shtml
"One of the ironies of the drug war is that where it was been waged most loudly and enthusiastically is precisely the place where teen drug use is now most entrenched. Conversely where drug war rhetoric is comparatively mute, teen usage of illicit drugs is much lower. In the Netherlands, for example, which has the most liberal drug policy in Europe and where marijuana is effectively legal, marijuana use among teens is actually lower than in the United States. The survey found 28% of Dutch teens smoked marijuana as compared with 41% of American teens, and 23% of American teens had experimented with other illicit drugs as compared with only 6% of European teens."
This statement says a lot to me...
"And, Zeese added, there is another problem with relying on a prohibition regime to suppress teen drug use. "Relying on laws also results in parents feeling like they have less responsibility because the law has taken care of it," he pointed out, "so parents become less involved.""
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I would have to move to another state if they ever legalized it in my state. No way in hell I let that stuff be around my kids with the government's blessing. It hasn't worked out for anywhere that has either.
I think it's easy to over deamonize a plant and underestimate society's ability to find a balance.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/176/eurostudy.shtml
"One of the ironies of the drug war is that where it was been waged most loudly and enthusiastically is precisely the place where teen drug use is now most entrenched. Conversely where drug war rhetoric is comparatively mute, teen usage of illicit drugs is much lower. In the Netherlands, for example, which has the most liberal drug policy in Europe and where marijuana is effectively legal, marijuana use among teens is actually lower than in the United States. The survey found 28% of Dutch teens smoked marijuana as compared with 41% of American teens, and 23% of American teens had experimented with other illicit drugs as compared with only 6% of European teens."
This statement says a lot to me...
"And, Zeese added, there is another problem with relying on a prohibition regime to suppress teen drug use. "Relying on laws also results in parents feeling like they have less responsibility because the law has taken care of it," he pointed out, "so parents become less involved.""
lol they are kidding right? I been all over the world and Europe has so many drug abusers it ain't funny. Lol and in Amsterdam you got 14 year old whores everywhere high as a kite. I have no idea where that report came from but its full of crap. I can tell you one thing for sure and that is that there is no balance there. So easy for foreigners to get kidnapped and sold into the sex slave trade there its scary.
I am not demonizing pot. I am identifying it for the toxic drug that it is. Even if you don't care about the known and proven damage it causes to peoples ability to critically think, damages to short term memory ability, and links to depression there is the simple fact that putting any kind of smoke in your lungs will damage them. Period. Keeping my kids away from a state government that says that's ok is the intelligent thing to do because they obviously don't have the best interests of their people in mind. They just wan't something else they can tax heavily.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
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Drug testing, legally required for many public employers, has become widespread in the private sector over the past two decades. A 2006 survey by the Society for Human Resource Management found that 84 percent of employers required new hires to pass drug screenings, and 39 percent randomly tested employees after they were hired. In addition, 73 percent tested workers when drug use was suspected and 58 percent required testing after accidents on the job.
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True that, GM! Drp breadcrumbs so we can find our way back. Seem a bit far afield IMO. Move along. 
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j/c Is this what would happen if cannabis was legal in Britain? Suicides, killings and toddlers in hospital with overdoses - TOM LEONARD visits Colorado, where marijuana has just been legalised Peter Williams says he can make $1billion in three years growing the drug Drug baron is trying to make his business into 'McDonald's of marijuana' Since January 1, more than 200 dispensaries have been set up in Denver Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...l#ixzz35PCTNDED Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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So easy for foreigners to get kidnapped and sold into the sex slave trade there its scary.
Yeah, just like Toledo.
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Just going to wade into this discussion.
Life is about the choices we all make regardless of legality. Prohibition was once the law of the land. People still decided to drink.
Tobacco (a plant not unlike marijuana) has been proven to be a major health risk. People still smoke. Tobacco companies knew all about the health issues and produced chemicals and manufactured them into the paper to make cigarettes more addictive. Although legal they got sued.
Opiates in pain killers have addicted millions of people. Doctors prescribe them. They are legal. They are used in the NFL.
Hypocrisy is rampant.
Marijuana has been proven to have medical benefits. There is no disputing that. However, that does not mean it is healthy for you. Yet it is still illegal according to federal law.
There are all kinds of drugs that people take. Some of them are legal; some are not. Some start legal and then are taken illegally.
Steroids are taken legally and can be illegal at the same time.
We can turn this topic over a million different ways. In the end we all make choices.
Josh Gordon's choice is pretty simple: Keep smoking weed and lose alot of money or give it up while playing football and make alot of money.
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I thought this was a football forum? I keep seeing replies and check in thinking some decision has been made, but no, it's people talking the same crap about drug tests .
WTHeck?
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I see you, GM, and a couple of other guys are complaining about this not being pure football.
I got new for you guys................there is NO pure football news about Gordon right now, so why the hell do you care if people are talking about social issues?
Talking about social issues like drug use helps people understand why people do drugs. It helps us understand the proper course of action. It helps us understand if social reforms are needed. It helps us understand why some feel entitled.
Put it this way, guys......................I guarantee that when the decision is rendered, a brand new shiny thread will be started by at least 3 people who will all want to be first to post the news. So until then. you guys don't have to read a thread that is so sacrilegiously not "pure football."
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That's why I get ESPN updates on my phone..
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I see you, GM, and a couple of other guys are complaining about this not being pure football.
I got new for you guys................there is NO pure football news about Gordon right now, so why the hell do you care if people are talking about social issues?
Talking about social issues like drug use helps people understand why people do drugs. It helps us understand the proper course of action. It helps us understand if social reforms are needed. It helps us understand why some feel entitled.
Put it this way, guys......................I guarantee that when the decision is rendered, a brand new shiny thread will be started by at least 3 people who will all want to be first to post the news. So until then. you guys don't have to read a thread that is so sacrilegiously not "pure football."
Good God.
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No, but seriously... just sayin'.
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