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They also been rumored to be trying to cut costs. Just a thought. Moving Jack for a piece that can actually contribute would be huge.
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I wish we had gone afyer Gortat. We need big guys.
If were getting Gordon, I feel like there has to be a trade done, as our front court is way too bare..
Take Waiters and TT and try to find a PF/C somewhere.
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Carlos Boozer?
Ew.
I think I might dislike him more as a person than LeBron.
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Sounds like we've moved on from LeBron.
I wouldn't give Hayward that much.
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=11168158&src=desktop
I see we're possibly offering a max offer for Hayward ... eh, seems like an awful lot. 
I guess we are content with shoving Waiters and Bennett to the bench as well, and it still leaves us really thing up front, where we could really use the help.
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Hes not worth that much, but when you"re the cavs you have to overspend to get a quality free agent. Im not sure sure who else we could get. At least he is still young, is a good passer, and could shoot it decently.
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I did read that he's only one of 5 players last season to average 15-5-5.
... but still, max deal??
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That something behind the scenes might be a Waiters trade. If I was Kyrie that's what I would ask for. Dude is a tool.
Jason Kidd is reportedly a big fan of both Dion and Jack. He wanted to get them to the Nets in his closing days (one of the moves that he was frustrated King couldn't pull off --- reportedly).
Dion + Jack ($11.5mil next year total)
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We get a young PF/C prospect we could use and still have a backup SG scorer in Mayo, who can shoot 3pters (important in Blatt's system).
Honestly, I think this trade is fair to both sides and I would actually try to soak the newbie Kidd if he does happen to become the GM as well. But, it is the type of trade we should be looking at.
Not the biggest fan of Mayo since he's lazy and unmotivated, but I would love this deal for Henson's shot blocking ability.
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I suspect that we'll have to do a sign and trade to get Hayward, as Utah has said that they will match even a max deal. I would think that we'll look at trying to also bring back Hawes, as he would be a perfect fit on a team with Kyrie, Hayward, and Wiggins.
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I'd be a bit surprised if Waiters is on the team this season.
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I'd be a bit surprised if Waiters is on the team this season.
He might be a piece that gets traded for a guy like Hayward in a sign and trade.
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I think I might dislike him more as a person than LeBron.
I'll second that. I always got the vibe that he never cared about winning. I think he's full of crap and a paycheck picker-upper.
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If were just ganna end up doing a sign and trade, then offering the max is stupid.
Having to pay Hayward the max AND give up trade peices? No thank you.
Id rather throw trades at Minny for Love regardless if he's going to resign then give up a bunch for Gordon..
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Starting to sound like the Hayward offer might not be a done deal.
I don't think giving him big money is a wise choice.
Still wondering what we plan to do in terms of bigs. It doesn't sound like Hawes is coming back, and even if he does, we still need a rim protector.
In hindsight, Waiters over Drummond was Grant's biggest error. Make that pick right, and we're right on the cusp of contention.
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If were just ganna end up doing a sign and trade, then offering the max is stupid.
Having to pay Hayward the max AND give up trade peices? No thank you.
Id rather throw trades at Minny for Love regardless if he's going to resign then give up a bunch for Gordon..
With a sign and trade, we could create cap space for another player while getting the guy we want. Also, the Jazz might be willing to let him move if they get something back.
The funny thing is that, if James re-signs with the Heat for 1 year, the Cavaliers could be a major player for him next year.
We have several options that could be declined (as of right now ... and I admit I am not 100% sure how NBA cap rules work in that regard) and also have Haywood's non-guaranteed deal.
I think that the Cavaliers are set up so they, at least, have the ability to make a lot of positive moves.
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The key is coming out this year, and looking like they give a damn...
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The key is coming out this year, and looking like they give a damn...
Exactly. I am not into giving Hayward a max deal, but either way the Cavs have done what they said they were going to do. They have loaded up on young talent and now are spending cash on FAs.
I know everybody has written Bennett off. but from everything I hear he has worked his ass off this off season and is in great shape. Within the organization they are very high on him.
I also don't understand the trade Waiters thought. It is OK to have players besides your starting 5. Lets not trade away good young talent just because they may not be starting
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I like Waiters. I have probably been one of his most vocal supporters on the board.
However, sometimes you have to give up quality to get quality. I don't know, long term, that we'll be able to keep him and remain anywhere near the cap.
Dion and Tristan are assets as well as players. So is the $10 non guaranteed contract that we added in the trade for Haywood. We have a lot of ability to do a lot of different things.
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I also don't understand the trade Waiters thought. It is OK to have players besides your starting 5. Lets not trade away good young talent just because they may not be starting
He doesn't get along with (or compliment) the guy we just agreed to give $90 million
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NBA free agency day three: Follow the latest news and rumors | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/07/nba_free_agency_day_three_foll.html#incart_2box9:19 a.m.: Remember that Jarrett Jack-Marcus Thornton swap that was talked about earlier this off-season? Well, now that Brooklyn has lost backup point guard Shaun Livingston, those talks have reportedly picked back up. Nets are revisiting earlier trade talks with Cleveland regarding Jarrett Jack for Marcus Thornton according to a source with knowledge — Ohm Youngmisuk (@NotoriousOHM) July 3, 2014
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Is Thorton starting caliber? Because I don't think we need another back up SG...
Unless either they are moving Wiggins to SF, or having Waiters be the defacto backup PG...
Can we get some bigs? I don't really wanna start TT or Zeller at Center...
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Is Thorton starting caliber? Because I don't think we need another back up SG...
Unless either they are moving Wiggins to SF, or having Waiters be the defacto backup PG...
Can we get some bigs? I don't really wanna start TT or Zeller at Center...
I think that the Cavaliers are looking to clear space, and to re-organize their roster.
If they can trade a guy like Waiters for a big, then they need a backup. Thorton is a backup guy, and could fit. he is also only signed for this season, so a moderately large expiring contract could be useful.
I think that this front office has one focus, and that is to improve the team while adding pieces that fit.
There have been reports that the Cavaliers want to re-sign Hawes and I think that he would be a great fit in Blatt's system. he can play on the wing, and can open up the middle for guys like Irving and Wiggins. If he is around $8 million, I think that he might be able to fit in financially.
I think that the whole idea for the Cavaliers is to put together these young veterans and build a team that can stay together for a long time. (even if the owner has to pay the luxury tax)
I think that it's going to be an interesting off-season.
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jc I found this video pretty interesting. It's some clips here and there from Sacramento's war room along with some brief discussion on prospects, potential trades, and some presentation from some analytics guys that I think they brought in. Wiggins was #1 on the analytics board. Also, the Kings' GM looks like a bald Sean Payton. http://www.youtube.com/v/rEN6ad_Aw-MBoard that the Analytics guys showed, plus the goofy floor/ceiling thing that us fans like to do: 1. Wiggins (F: Jeff Green, C: George) 2. Parker (F: Jamison, C: Pierce/Melo) 3. Vonleh (F: Thompson, C: Bosh) 4. Embiid (F: Oden, C: Olajuwon) 5. Smart (F: [????], C: Good Larry Hughes) 6. Exum (F: Shaun Livingston, C: Carter-Williams) 7. Gordon (F: Bad Kirilenko, C: Griffin) 8. Payton 10. Stauskas 11. Harris [presumably Gary Harris, selected 19th] 12. Lavine There was a brief exchange where the analytics guys convincingly said that Embiid would be #1 if healthy. Some of them were hard to read, and I don't think they ever actually showed #9. Guessing Julius Randle. There was also some discussion about the Kings roster quality and fit. Yeah I wish it was another team too, but you don't see too many videos like this.
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There have been reports that the Cavaliers want to re-sign Hawes and I think that he would be a great fit in Blatt's system. he can play on the wing, and can open up the middle for guys like Irving and Wiggins. If he is around $8 million, I think that he might be able to fit in financially.
I don't follow the NBA as closely as others, but I really want to keep Hawes.
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Wouldn't be shocked if he ends up in Rip City via a sign-and-trade.
Doesn't sound like he wants to be here.
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Well, let's be honest ..... Larry Hughes was ........ Umm ..... Err ....... Well ...... OK, never mind. 
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Hawes to the Clippers.
No surprise there, he didn't want to be here.
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Just a little mention of Bennett ...... which sounds great. Let's hope the reality matches the hype. (from Pluto, who generally has solid info) http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2014/07/post_96.html#incart_river_defaultABOUT ANTHONY BENNETT The Cavs are thrilled with Bennett's physical condition. He has spent a lot of time in Cleveland since the end of the season. The top pick in the 2013 draft, Bennett had shoulder surgery after his one season at UNLV. In the process, he gained about 25 pounds. He spent several months losing the weight, and never really was in top NBA condition. Bennett had a miserable rookie year, averaging only 4.2 points and shooting .356 from the field. He played little, missing the final 14 games with a knee problem. The Cavs have been promising Bennett a fresh start with a new coaching staff. David Blatt is intrigued. He see the 6-8, 255-pounder as a power forward who can score. He played some small forward for Mike Brown, but that was a terrible experience because he lacked the quickness to defend opposing forwards. The meeting with free agent small forward Gordon Hayward is another indication that they want Bennett at power forward. Thompson started at that spot last season.
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Pluto usually doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to the Cavs. The NBA isn't really his thing.
But at this point, it would be hard not to see improvement from Bennett.
I've never seen a #1 so unprepared for NBA basketball. Out of shape, overweight, mentally unfocused...and issues with asthma and sleep apnea?
I know it was a weak draft, but c'mon.
He does have a skillset though, and if he turns things around he can be a solid stretch 4. Once/if he starts hitting those mid-range jumpers with some consistency, things will open up for him.
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Kind of interesting ...especially since there have been reports that the Rockets like Bosh as a plan B to Melo. If Bosh leaves Miami, all bets are off for James. I don't think that Wade and a whole roster of uncertainty and very few assets would excite James. Report: Rockets, Cavs close to clearing space for max contract - CBSSports.com http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bask...or-max-contractThe Houston Rockets and Cleveland Cavaliers, two teams chasing superstars, are close to moving Jeremy Lin and Jarrett Jack, respectively, in order to create the cap room necessary to offer maximum contracts, according to Yahoo Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski: Houston and Cleveland both reportedly met with LeBron James' agent, Rich Paul. The Rockets met with Carmelo Anthony, too, and will reportedly go after Chris Bosh if they don't get him. There was a report a couple of weeks ago that Houston had deals lined up for Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin, and Asik has since been moved to the New Orleans Pelicans. Lin wasn't impressed when the Rockets photoshopped Anthony in his No. 7 jersey. It looks like Anthony is going to stay in New York, however. The Philadelphia 76ers are "a leading contender" to take on Lin, according to ESPN's Marc Stein, and they would presumably take back at least a first-round pick from the Rockets. The Cavaliers reportedly explored trading Jack to the Brooklyn Nets for Marcus Thornton, but now it seems they'd rather dump him for cap room. Cleveland certainly did not expect to be thinking about sacrificing a draft pick to move Jack's contract when it signed him to a four-year, $25 million deal last summer. If the team feels it has a legitimate shot at James, though, it's a no-brainer.
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I don't know ... moving that Jack contact might be a good idea even if James ISN'T involved. :P
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Yeah ..... but they could use it next year, along with the non-guaranteed deal they added to clear $17-$18 million next year. That could be a 2nd (3rd? .... 4th?) star.  lol I'll be optimistic about Irving and Wiggins. 
Of course, with Andy's deal expiring, and the non guaranteed deal, combined with the options on Waiters and Thompson that they could decline ...... there could be a lot of ways to go even if they do dump Jack.
The whole thing revolves around what happens with Lebron, in the winner of the "obvious statement of the year" category.
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The whole thing revolves around what happens with Lebron, in the winner of the "obvious statement of the year" category.
Bosh will take a cut if LeBron comes back, but if I were him, I'd go steal a max from someone. 9 time All-Star with two rings, go get paid. Don't hang around waiting on a dude whose milking it just like he did the last time. At least he's been quieter about it so far.
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Report: Bosh would prefer a Four-Year Max Deal with another team to staying with Heat for less I wouldn't blame him. LeBron is the only one here chasing a "legacy" or whatever, Bosh is the one that's completely changed his game just to fit with the Big 3, while also being asked to basically cut his salary in half... It's honestly great when you see a guy like Duncan taking "only" 10 mil a year, to help the team, but I would not blame a guy like Bosh for taking more if he could. I'd tell LeBron to figure his crap out, and if he stalls, I'd fly over to Houston and play out my career next to Howard... Or go live in LA... Hell Toronto could use.. oops
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