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No, just letting the poster (in this case, PitDawg) know that I didn't see what PDR wrote.
But, I'm not posting attention seeking pictures either. You're along the lines of Miley Cyrus, except she's less of an attention whore.
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I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying. I believe in legal immigration because it sets amounts which our society can integrate. I'm very much opposed to illegal immigration. But I don't see a dramatic change from one administration to the next.
This has been an ongoing situation for decades and actually, the Dems already have the Hispanic vote. I haven't seen any administration by either party actually take any action to stem the tide of illegal immigration. And there are very real reasons why.
Business wants cheap labor. I have witnessed many jobs taken from American citizens and replaced by illegal workers within the construction trade. Businesses embraced cheaper labor for higher profit margins. That's why you've heard a lot of lip service from the right, but nothing to stop, or even slow down the problem.
So one side wants votes and one side wants cheap labor. Now that the cheap labor is starting to help tip the balance of elections maybe that will change. But so far it's been a lot of bold talk with very little action. And getting cheap labor out of the deal is why.
So both sides have gained as a result of illegal immigration.
And no I'm not naïve about urban areas getting federal dollars. But once again, that's nothing new with this administration. Just a continuation of what's been going on for a very long time through many administrations. I'll say it yet again, Obama has done a lot of things wrong. Plenty to complain about and point out.
But trying to base problems that have been an ongoing continuation of several administrations of both parties and using that as a methodology as to him being the worst president simply doesn't hold water.
If illegal immigration is some type of reasoning, W was no better.
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I despise Obama's health care plan, but man, there have been so many terrible presidents in our country. The only thing I can say is that guys like you really hate him because he is African American. That's intelligent......... 
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I'm in my sixties consider myself an average guy and have been voting for 40 years. I've seen D and R Presidents come and go. Through it all, my life has been pretty darn good, probably on a country by country standard it's been spectacular. Whats with the negativity? Why are we looking for the worst president? One of our big problems is people want to live here! I don't want to live any where else. Nothings perfect, but from my vantage point those guys must have done something right.
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I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying. I believe in legal immigration because it sets amounts which our society can integrate. I'm very much opposed to illegal immigration. But I don't see a dramatic change from one administration to the next.
I think this is why so many people are upset with government. Congress has an approval rating of like 9%. In truth, that's about the double the percentage of them that are worth a damn.
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This has been an ongoing situation for decades and actually, the Dems already have the Hispanic vote. I haven't seen any administration by either party actually take any action to stem the tide of illegal immigration. And there are very real reasons why.
You're right about that. The only time you've seen them flinch at continuing the flood of illegal immigration is when Eric Cantor lost his primary. They finally took notice of the issue and they can't avoid speaking about the situation at the border because it's deteriorated so much. No matter how much they try, the government cannot stop the free flow of information in a free society.
Those dead children and the other crimes (sexual assaults, rapes, murder, etc) that come along with it are solely the responsibility of those that encourage these illegal entries into the US. Those that support it have the blood of these people on their hands. The "30 pieces of silver" won't wash away the culpability.
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Business wants cheap labor. I have witnessed many jobs taken from American citizens and replaced by illegal workers within the construction trade. Businesses embraced cheaper labor for higher profit margins. That's why you've heard a lot of lip service from the right, but nothing to stop, or even slow down the problem.
Business absolutely wants cheap labor. I have no doubts that you've seen it in the construction trades. You're seeing it more and more in the transportation and service trades too. On the flip side, labor unions are supporting it because they want an influx of members that will be easily manipulated and whose dues will fill the wallets of the union bosses. The union bosses aren't looking out for their members. They're undermining them at every opportunity.
I'm from the right (further right than anyone you'll probably ever know) and I'm speaking out against it. Everyone that I know is speaking about it and doing so loudly. I even wrote my opinion on one of my federal senator's website. As I have two Democrats that support the events that led up to the disaster on the border, I have no inclination that either one of them (Schumer or Gillibrand) will do anything. My local federal representative (Dan Maffei) has already come out in support of housing hundreds or even thousands of them less than a mile from my house.
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So one side wants votes and one side wants cheap labor. Now that the cheap labor is starting to help tip the balance of elections maybe that will change. But so far it's been a lot of bold talk with very little action. And getting cheap labor out of the deal is why.
Make no mistake about it. Business and labor unions actually want cheap labor. Both sides do. Cheap labor costs will help Democrats (and their labor union surrogates) to clamor for higher minimum wage laws with better success. When you look at who supports this, you must always ask yourself the simple question, "Why?" The answer is usually rather simple too. These folks that are coming here aren't even literate in their own language, primarily Spanish and to assimilate, we'll ask them to learn English? Nah, we won't even ask them to do that much.
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The only real losers are the American people, especially our younger generations. They're already dealing with a horrible economy and a horrible labor market. Let's add unskilled labor competing for the jobs that our youth are vying for into the mix. It's a disaster waiting to happen - and what's worse, it's been orchestrated. It's intentionally being done by politicians and their big money donors.
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And no I'm not naïve about urban areas getting federal dollars. But once again, that's nothing new with this administration. Just a continuation of what's been going on for a very long time through many administrations. I'll say it yet again, Obama has done a lot of things wrong. Plenty to complain about and point out.
Oh, you won't get any arguments from me about the horrible conditions that have been created over decades (and this includes even Reagan). Reagan's real weakness was his trust that politicians were generally honest people that disagreed on policy issues. He really felt that it was okay to compromise to get things accomplished. His failure was that he was never able to get a follow through by his Democratic opposition on their ends of the bargains they struck. And, he had some foreign policy errors - but he had some huge foreign policy successes to counter-balance them. Reagan's foreign policy amounted to helping those that opposed the expansion of communism with technical assistance. Our foreign policy has morphed from that to an active role (Bush the Elder & Clinton) followed by an occupation mindset (Bush the Younger & Obama).
Bush the Elder and Clinton had their Persian Gulf War I and Yugoslavia conflicts. Bush the Younger and Obama have had Persian Gulf War II and Afghanistan (wars and occupation). Obama's foreign policies have been morphing back towards Reagan's (assistance), except he's always choosing the wrong side to support (Arab Spring, Syria, etc.) - or choosing to avoid using even diplomacy at all (Ukraine). Obama's policy in Ukraine was to slap meaningless sanctions on a handful of government officials. The world laughed at him.
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But trying to base problems that have been an ongoing continuation of several administrations of both parties and using that as a methodology as to him being the worst president simply doesn't hold water.
Actually, it does. He's actively been encouraging (directly) what is going on at the border now. He's promoted it. What is happening now at the border was totally avoidable. Lamar Smith, R-Tenn., wrote about it back in the late spring of 2012 in the Christian Science Monitor.
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No, Bush wasn't better on the issue really - except that he wasn't actively promoting it. From the pro-Obama folks over at Gawker.
This imperialist attitude is, as Jeremiah Wright would say, "coming home to roost." right now. It is, I think, going to cost the Democrats more seats than they ever will imagine in these mid-terms. The GOP wouldn't even need for me to vote for them to pull this off. It could scare the bejeezus out of many Democrats that win their seats by much slimmer margins than would otherwise be suggested by 'party affiliation' numbers would indicate.
Take a look at the aggregate of data about the 2014 Senate races from RealClearPolitics. The Democrats have 3 seats with a highly probably chance of moving to the Republicans. There are 6 more that are listed as 'toss-ups' with two Republicans listed with those. Taking that aggregate information for what it is at this point, it looks as if that's 9 possible losses for Democrats in the Senate. You could very well add those one or both of the 'lean Democrat' seats into the mix as well. It's actually looking quite well for the GOP at this point. The debacle at the border can only serve them even more well. The only possibility is if they put their own loaded political gun in their mouth and pull the trigger. Otherwise, it's going to be a historic landslide against the policies of the administration (and Obama personally) over the past 6 years.
The situation in the House of Representatives looks even more bleak for the Democrats.
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I'm in my sixties consider myself an average guy and have been voting for 40 years. I've seen D and R Presidents come and go. Through it all, my life has been pretty darn good, probably on a country by country standard it's been spectacular. Whats with the negativity? Why are we looking for the worst president? One of our big problems is people want to live here! I don't want to live any where else. Nothings perfect, but from my vantage point those guys must have done something right.
It's more about the rate of improvement that people care about and not so much about regression.
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I don't dismiss your thought process, but those jobs I told you I saw lost? They were during W's administration. Millions upon millions had already flooded in by then.
Just because so many are so much more vocal about it now, doesn't mean the orchestra didn't start a long time ago, because it did. Long before Obama became president.
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Dream on with your rose colored glasses. Even Chicago is fed up! Furious black protesters call Obama ‘worst president ever elected’ Residents from Chicago’s South Side expressed frustration Friday over President Obama’s attention to prioritizing the illegal immigrant crisis at the border over their city’s escalating violence. During a protest outside the Chicago Police Department some residents called for the resignation of Mayor Rahm Emmanuel and Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy over their failure to address the violence – and even Obama’s as well, according to Rebel Pundit. “Barack will go down as the worst president ever elected, Bill Clinton was the African-American President,” one resident told Rebel Pundit. “President Barack needs to pay attention to Chicago, if he cannot pay attention to Chicago and the African-American community, he needs to resign.” Comparing their current life to that of slaves 400 years ago, another resident said, “We got the same results today.” Already in July, 120 people have been shot and at least 26 killed in Chicago, including a pregnant young mother of five, prompting residents to organize the protest. http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/07/13/e...-elected-131549
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No, it's the racist reactions and sour grapes from so many for losing two elections in a row to Obama that really sucks and weakens our great nation.
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No, it's the racist reactions and sour grapes from so many for losing two elections in a row to Obama that really sucks and weakens our great nation.
No, it's what the liberal mind is passionate about is a world filled with pity, sorrow, neediness, misfortune, poverty, suspicion, mistrust, anger, exploitation, discrimination, victimization, alienation and injustice.
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I don't dismiss your thought process, but those jobs I told you I saw lost? They were during W's administration. Millions upon millions had already flooded in by then.
I don't dispute that one bit. You must be confusing me with those that thought Bush was a good president. I didn't. Sadly, he might have been the best alternative of the choices - if you think that way. Come on. Al Gore and John Kerry from the Democrats? If only some wealthy, mostly crazy loony tune like Ross Perot had run during that time.... If only.
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Just because so many are so much more vocal about it now, doesn't mean the orchestra didn't start a long time ago, because it did. Long before Obama became president.
I don't think you'll find many people dispute that statement - but the decline has been accelerated under Obama and his actions (or non-actions) seem to be aimed towards the goal of harming the country. I don't think that could honestly be said of any US president (including Bush the Younger). Obama seems to many (me included) to actually be anti-American.
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No, it's what the liberal mind is passionate about is a world filled with pity, sorrow, neediness, misfortune, poverty, suspicion, mistrust, anger, exploitation, discrimination, victimization, alienation and injustice.
This is a very intelligent statement that makes a lot of sense.
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Don't worry. More people will agree with you once the southern border epidemic starts.
It started several decades ago. You're just late to the party.
Are you referring to the 'epidemic' of people crossing the border or the diseases they are carrying with them? I'm referring to the diseases.
Our government is transporting these infected illegals all across the country. Lice, scabbies, bacterial pneumonia, and STDs might be the least of our problem. Flu virus is different in different parts of the world. There are also tropical diseases like Chagas that can be transmitted by mosquitos.
One of the main reasons for Ellis Island was quarantine. Our government is risking all our health with this mess.
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I'm referring to all of it. Nobody was being quarantined before Obama came into office and people, while crossing the Mexican border for the most part, were also from central American countries. This isn't news.
I was saying the exact same thing in 2000 as many of you are saying now. From 2000 - 2004, I saw job after job lost to illegal immigrants by American citizens.
I was late to what was going on in 2000 and you are certainly far later now. I agree with you all as it pertains to our economy, jobs and possible health issues. The problem is, it's not new. It's not just Obama. Just because you chose now to scream about it, has nothing to do with how many past presidents are just as guilty of the exact same thing.
Saying otherwise simply doesn't make it so.
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I don't dispute that one bit. You must be confusing me with those that thought Bush was a good president. I didn't. Sadly, he might have been the best alternative of the choices - if you think that way. Come on. Al Gore and John Kerry from the Democrats? If only some wealthy, mostly crazy loony tune like Ross Perot had run during that time.... If only.
Well I don't know how a cowboy mentality with an "You're either with us or against us" mentality to the globe, that got thousands of our soldiers killed in a war that had nothing to do with 9/11 or WMD and based on fear which was predicated on fear that was instilled into the American people is any better than Kerry or Gore. Everyone has their own priority list when it comes to politics, at the top of mine is sending our soldiers into harms way unnecessarily causing their deaths.
All are very poor choices and I guess we could split hairs about the least of the worst, but the death of thousands is a pretty high bar to beat.
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I feel those who actually believe that's his intent are either fooling themselves, or are trying to persuade others. Once you buy into so much rhetoric, it's easy to believe about anything. While I don't believe either of us feel he's going about solving the nations problems and don't agree with much of his politics, the right and the left have very different views on how to go about things and what's best for our country.
Each side sees the other as some type of evil. I actually see humor in those who want to make so much of a distinction between the two. Our past policies in the middle east have gotten us into some very real problems. Getting involved there has caused that. I at least hope a GOP is president when it all blows up in our faces, because it will, again.
But alas, people will still look back and point the finger at Obama because he actually had the common sense to stay more hands off. There's nothing anti-American about staying out of conflicts where your actual long term enemies are killing each other. It's the best way to fight wars.
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You know, this is the first time I've ever seen right wingers point to poor black people in Chicago as some guide to a political point. Usually you're blaming them for being the type of people that are what's wrong with America. Oh well, whatever suits your agenda, huh? 
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If Obama prioritized gun violence in Chicago over something related to economics right wingers would go ballistic (no pun intended).
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Oh well, whatever suits your agenda, huh?
You can keep rolling on the floor laughing if you want but.. YES, whatever supports my agenda.
I will point to whomever I think is correct as a guide to a political point. I might disagree with somebody 99 times out of 100 but in that one instance where we agree, I will say that I think they are correct. Or are you saying that I should disagree with them just because they are poor and black and on most things we would probably not agree? Or are you saying I shouldn't call them out and hold them up as being correct on one issue because I don't agree with them on other issues?
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So you believe that Obama should focus on gun control specifically in the Chicago reason and nothing else? Because that's what these people are saying. Because, if you don't, you're just using them as a political tool to try to swing voters and you don't care what they're actually saying.
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I didn't even watch the video.. my comment had nothing to do with supporting this group of people. I was just refuting Pit's comment that seemed to imply that you can't support a group on one point unless you support them on a bunch of other points..
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I'm referring to all of it. Nobody was being quarantined before Obama came into office and people, while crossing the Mexican border for the most part, were also from central American countries. This isn't news.
I was saying the exact same thing in 2000 as many of you are saying now. From 2000 - 2004, I saw job after job lost to illegal immigrants by American citizens.
I was late to what was going on in 2000 and you are certainly far later now. I agree with you all as it pertains to our economy, jobs and possible health issues. The problem is, it's not new. It's not just Obama. Just because you chose now to scream about it, has nothing to do with how many past presidents are just as guilty of the exact same thing.
Saying otherwise simply doesn't make it so.
Believe me, I'm not late. I've always seen this. My thoughts have been 'send them back' for a long time. The previous influx of illegals was manageable, but only just. The current influx of illegals is going to tear this country apart.
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I think his point is that most promoting this video are the type that buy into the myth of the socialist president who wants to shower the poor with rich people's money.
And now they're pointing to video full of people complaining that he's not doing much to help the poor and saying 'See?'
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Believe me, I'm not late. I've always seen this. My thoughts have been 'send them back' for a long time. The previous influx of illegals was manageable, but only just. The current influx of illegals is going to tear this country apart.
Here we disagree. There was nothing manageable about people losing their jobs and having to default on mortgages all along. There was nothing manageable about it at all.
While it may not have effected your life directly, it was hurting a lot of Americans long before Obama was elected. While you may see it that way from your perspective, I saw first hand evidence that nothing could be further from the truth.
The fact that it's being magnified in the press now doesn't mean the problem wasn't here all along.
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I think his point is that most promoting this video are the type that buy into the myth of the socialist president who wants to shower the poor with rich people's money.
And now they're pointing to video full of people complaining that he's not doing much to help the poor and saying 'See?'
That's a very big part of it. It's also directed at the poster who made the comment. Not everyone who holds the conservative mantra is overly extreme and views things in a singular fashion. Some are far more level headed and try much harder to at least be somewhat objective. DC is such.
When responding to a poster, I try to take the source into account. I feel that response, to that poster was appropriate.
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Well I don't know how a cowboy mentality with an "You're either with us or against us" mentality to the globe, that got thousands of our soldiers killed in a war that had nothing to do with 9/11 or WMD and based on fear which was predicated on fear that was instilled into the American people is any better than Kerry or Gore. Everyone has their own priority list when it comes to politics, at the top of mine is sending our soldiers into harms way unnecessarily causing their deaths.
I'm not going to rehash the reasons for the Iraq War II, the War in Afghanistan, etc. or why one or another agrees with Bush or not. By those standards, FDR killed nearly half a million American soldiers during WW2 for something that wasn't our biz. And Woodrow Wilson killed nearly 120,000 Americans during WW1 also over something that wasn't any of our biz.
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All are very poor choices and I guess we could split hairs about the least of the worst, but the death of thousands is a pretty high bar to beat.
See the notations about WW1 (D - Wilson) and WW2 (D - FDR) above. We could include the Korean War (D - Truman) and the Vietnam War (D - Kennedy). I'll digress though and go through the numbers of deaths attributed to them. I won't get into that though. I'm not even including the Civil War (D - Jefferson Davis).
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I feel those who actually believe that's his intent are either fooling themselves, or are trying to persuade others.
I think, to the contrary, that anyone that doesn't believe that Obama's intentions are to destroy this country are fooling themselves. His own statements are an indictment against him.
Obama hands off? Well, I suppose you can say that true, when it helps his agenda or when he should be hands on and he just chooses poorly... again.
It has nothing to do with political parties either. I would prefer Clinton (as slimy and dishonorable as I think he was) over Obama and Jimmy Carter (who I think was totally inept and incompetent) over Obama. I might actually prefer a number of foreign leaders over Obama, despite the constitutional prohibitions against it.
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The fact that it's being magnified in the press now doesn't mean the problem wasn't here all along.
Exactly, and the same thing can be said about healthcare, veterans affairs, gun violence, Russia, N. Korea, Iran, Iraq and middle east peace process in general. Doesn't surprise me in the least that congress won't work with Obama. They now have the whipping boy to shoulder all the blame for their past failures.
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Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight The Fiscal Times By David Francis 2 hours ago It’s highly unusual for a high-ranking soldier, let alone a high-ranking Marine, to publicly question White House and Pentagon policy. Yet that’s exactly what four-star Gen. James Amos, Commandant of the Marine Corps, did yesterday in Washington. Speaking at the Brookings Institute Tuesday, Amos said the Obama administration paved the way for the emergence of the Islamic State of Syria and Iraq (ISIS) by completely withdrawing American troops in 2011. “I have a hard time believing that had we been there, and worked with the government, and worked with parliament, and worked with the minister of defense, the minister of interior, I don't think we'd be in the same shape we're in today,” Amos said. Amos also blasted the White House for failing to live up to its obligations around the world. “We may think we're done with all of these nasty, thorny, tacky little things that are going on around the world -- and I'd argue that if you're in that nation, it's not a tacky, little thing for you. We may think we're done with them, but they're not done with us," Amos said. “We're probably the only country in the world that has the resources and the capability to be able to do some of this that others can't,” Amos added. Perhaps Amos felt free to voice opinions on White House policy because he is set to retire this fall. Now, his comments are likely to influence the debate within the defense community about how to handle the myriad of crises going on around the world. Unlike most issues in Washington, the argument surrounding American engagement around the world does not split along party lines. One strand of the GOP, represented by Rick Perry, believes the United States cannot retreat into an isolationist posture. The other, represented by Rand Paul, believes engagement will lead to prolonged wars like the one in Afghanistan. Amos is clearly in Perry’s camp. He also gave voice to a growing concern among DOD brass: that the troops who sacrificed by fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are becoming disillusioned as the gains they made disappeared. “It breaks our hearts,” Amos said, referring to the fall of the Anbar province in Iraq, which Marines won in 2010. He noted that 852 Marines were killed and another 8,500 injured in Iraq. “They believed that they'd made a difference,” he said. web page
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Here we disagree. There was nothing manageable about people losing their jobs and having to default on mortgages all along. There was nothing manageable about it at all.
While it may not have effected your life directly, it was hurting a lot of Americans long before Obama was elected. While you may see it that way from your perspective, I saw first hand evidence that nothing could be further from the truth.
The fact that it's being magnified in the press now doesn't mean the problem wasn't here all along.
You are wrong on that point. In the Carter administration, he passed a law for affordable housing. This made purchasing a house easier for those that did not have the down payment. This law was expanded under Clinton. This law has driven up the price of housing, and created a situation where people could buy houses they could not afford. They then let the banks package and trade securities on these mortgages. This was a bubble created by the government and blamed on the banks once it collapsed.
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I'm not a Republican. I'm not totally an isolationist because of many of the things that Gen. Amos points out.
I guess that you would say that I'm the extremes of both Rand Paul (isolationist?) and Rick Perry (interventionist?). I don't think that we should really be involved in any of these foreign conflicts but that we should reserve the right to do get involved in any or all of them at our discretion. That if we get involved, we should use the most painful weapons available to us (yes, including chemical, biological and even nuclear) to decimate the enemy. There should be no attempts whatsoever to avoid civilian casualties. It may sound cruel and ruthless, but I'll tell you this much, you won't have a prolonged engagement like we've had in Afghanistan for more than a dozen years.
When the enemy surrenders, we should IMPOSE the type of government they will have. There will be no Islamic state. There will be no kings, emperors, mullahs or other tyrants. We imposed the types of governments that Germany and Japan after WW2 and we can do that again. If we have to occupy the territory, then we'll do so.
I know what the arguments which say you cannot impose 'freedom'. I'm not suggesting that. What you can do, however, is make sure that the government doesn't become tyrannical.
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Here we disagree. There was nothing manageable about people losing their jobs and having to default on mortgages all along. There was nothing manageable about it at all.
While it may not have effected your life directly, it was hurting a lot of Americans long before Obama was elected. While you may see it that way from your perspective, I saw first hand evidence that nothing could be further from the truth.
The fact that it's being magnified in the press now doesn't mean the problem wasn't here all along.
You are wrong on that point. In the Carter administration, he passed a law for affordable housing. This made purchasing a house easier for those that did not have the down payment. This law was expanded under Clinton. This law has driven up the price of housing, and created a situation where people could buy houses they could not afford. They then let the banks package and trade securities on these mortgages. This was a bubble created by the government and blamed on the banks once it collapsed.
100% correct.
I even distinctly remember Clinton touting his expansion of it as "helping lower income families purchase a home". Which it did... they just couldn't always afford to keep what they bought.
Regulations during the security swaps were so lax that people were getting taken at their word on how much they made when getting approved for a loan. Banks were encouraged by the government to push them through.
Not saying that banks are faultless, but they certainly aren't the lone demon in the room... our elected officials caused the economic meltdown that we experienced.
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No doubt. Banks would have never made the loans they were forced to make.
The banking system woked pretty well until the Feds started dictating who and where loans had to be directed.
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When the enemy surrenders, we should IMPOSE the type of government they will have.
...said the guy whose handle advocates anarchy.
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I'm speaking about American workers who owned homes and lost those homes because their jobs were taken by illegal immigrants. The construction trades were decimated in that regard.
You are talking about two separate issues as it suits your purpose. When illegal workers come in and work for far less pay, it hurts the American work force. Business embraces it at the cost of American families.
Now you can go ahead and change the subject again if you like, but these people had no problem paying for their homes until their jobs went to illegal immigrants.
This didn't just magically come about when Obama was elected.
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Dream on with your rose colored glasses.
I don't even care for Obama.
It's just obvious to me that you are one of those narrow minded people who needs to assign labels to everyone that isn't just like you.
You know.............I am so sick of the labels. Liberals. Conservatives. People say them like they are dirty words. All people are doing is showcasing how freaking ignorant they are when they use labels as some sort of supporting detail for the argument.
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How can I put this in simple redneck terms....
Obama sucks.... but so has almost every other president I have seen in my lifetime.
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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