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Not one person has listed a valid reason why he lacks leadership.
How about he's caved on just about every pertinent issue that faced him since he came into office?
I can't think of a single issue he took the lead on. Every stance of his was based on which was the wind blew. Health care, the budget, the economy, gay marriage, taxes, marijuana laws - you name it - he's never taken a firm stand on anything until the coast was clear.
The guy is constantly talking out of both sides of his mouth.
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I'll always say that Reagan is the worst President ever, but I think Obama is challenging Carter/Bush Jr. for that second spot. That said, I don't think he's that bad of a leader.
That's my whole point. He could very well be bad. Or close to the worst.
But people listing leadership as one of the reasons have no idea what they're talking about, IMO.
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Not one person has listed a valid reason why he lacks leadership.
How about he's caved on just about every pertinent issue that faced him since he came into office?
I can't think of a single issue he took the lead on. Every stance of his was based on which was the wind blew. Health care, the budget, the economy, gay marriage, taxes, marijuana laws - you name it - he's never taken a firm stand on anything until the coast was clear.
The guy is constantly talking out of both sides of his mouth.
I don't agree at all. He absolutely took the lead on healthcare, and weed laws. The budget, the economy, gay marriage and taxes? What president has? Those issues are slippery slope problems, and every single president has vague ideas about it. Hell, a lot of those issues have to be approved by congress in the first place.
I just don't understand it. This is just an issue I will never agree with people on. The ACA is a work in progress, hell, I think it should've been handled differently. But that was absolutely Obama. He took the lead on that, whether you like the bill or not, he tried to do something about it. Leadership.
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He absolutely took the lead on healthcare
No, he didn't. He waffled all over the campaign trail, and when push came to shove, he trotted out a massive corporate subsidy that was more or less crafted by the Heritage Foundation in the early 90's.
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and weed laws.
States took the lead on that back when the administration was still ordering the DEA to raid dispensaries.
He took the lead? Seriously?
This issue is a perfect illustration of the guy talking out of both sides of his mouth.
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Yes he did take the lead. He pushed it through.
He allowed the states to experiment with the weed laws and told the DEA to fall back on the raids.
You're cherry picking like the rest of them. Keep going though. Cause the worst president doesn't get voted in... Twice.
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He allowed the states to experiment with the weed laws and told the DEA to fall back on the raids.
He sent out a memo saying there would be a fall back on raids, and then continued ordering them.
He didn't shift on the issue until there was political capital in it.
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Cause the worst president doesn't get voted in... Twice.
That's some sound logic right there.
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What has he "led" on? Anytime something happens that may make him look bad, we get "Well, I heard about it on the evening news, just like most folks."
Where has he led? By saying about the IRS scandal "it was some low level minions from cincy."? Did he lead concerning Benghazi? Has he lead concerning illegals?
The list goes on and on. I'm curious: Where has O been a leader?
Lead WHAT for Benghazi? Have you ever been to the Middle East? They ABSOLUTELY will get mad over a video and kill someone.
Sorry, I had to stop right there. If you still believe some video was the cause of the attack, ain't no helping you.
And no, I haven't been to the middle east. What the hell does that have to do with anything????
The attack had absolutely ZERO to do with some video. Please......just because you served (thank you for that) doesn't make you an expert. There wasn't a "video" that caused the attack regardless of what the white house said.
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What has he "led" on? Anytime something happens that may make him look bad, we get "Well, I heard about it on the evening news, just like most folks."
Where has he led? By saying about the IRS scandal "it was some low level minions from cincy."? Did he lead concerning Benghazi? Has he lead concerning illegals?
The list goes on and on. I'm curious: Where has O been a leader?
Lead WHAT for Benghazi? Have you ever been to the Middle East? They ABSOLUTELY will get mad over a video and kill someone.
Sorry, I had to stop right there. If you still believe some video was the cause of the attack, ain't no helping you.
And no, I haven't been to the middle east. What the hell does that have to do with anything????
The attack had absolutely ZERO to do with some video. Please......just because you served (thank you for that) doesn't make you an expert. There wasn't a "video" that caused the attack regardless of what the white house said.
You do realize that my comment didn't come from being deployed, it came from having experience, since ya know I'm half Turkish. I know how those guys think over there LONG before I joined the military. I spend a lot of time in my family's country. My comments have crap to do with my service.
They will absolutely kill over a video, especially if it makes fun of Islam. You might wanna stop commenting on middle eastern issues if you don't even know how they operate. Educate yourself. Extremist Muslims operate on the simplest ideas, their rage is fueled by the simplest issues.
Because you can't realize that, YOU are what represents the idea that Americans are dumb and have no idea how the rest of the world lives in the eyes of other countries. You guys live in a freaking box. I swear to god.
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I don't really see this as non-leading. I think it's more of him just playing his role. In National elections, it's the democrats game to lose. I see no reason for them to ever have to take a hard stance on things again.
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I don't really see this as non-leading. I think it's more of him just playing his role. In National elections, it's the democrats game to lose. I see no reason for them to ever have to take a hard stance on things again.
That makes him a politician, not a leader.
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So, you are saying the attack in Benghazi was the result of a video? Even though, despite what the administration said at the time..............you're still going with "the attack was the result of a video."?
Perhaps you should do a little fact checking yourself?
One thing I've learned from family and friends that served...........absolutely NONE of them talk about it or brag about (I was there. You don't know jack. I was there.")
And absolutely NONE of them brag about the car they drive. Oh well...
If you believe the attack on us, in Benghazi, was about a video..............good luck.
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So, you are saying the attack in Benghazi was the result of a video? Even though, despite what the administration said at the time..............you're still going with "the attack was the result of a video."?
Perhaps you should do a little fact checking yourself?
One thing I've learned from family and friends that served...........absolutely NONE of them talk about it or brag about (I was there. You don't know jack. I was there.")
And absolutely NONE of them brag about the car they drive. Oh well...
If you believe the attack on us, in Benghazi, was about a video..............good luck.
I just said my experience has nothing to do with my deployments. I didn't bring up my deployments. YOU did. I specifically said my comments come from experience since I spent time with family in the Middle East, even before I joined the military.
Where in this thread did I brag about a damn car?
Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? You have a problem with me or something? You're the one who keeps bringing up my service, I never mentioned it recently. Chill out.
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One thing I've learned from family and friends that served...........absolutely NONE of them talk about it or brag about (I was there. You don't know jack. I was there.")
And absolutely NONE of them brag about the car they drive. Oh well...
Yeah, Swish, get it together and start acting more like Arch's friends and family.
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One thing I've learned from family and friends that served...........absolutely NONE of them talk about it or brag about (I was there. You don't know jack. I was there.")
And absolutely NONE of them brag about the car they drive. Oh well...
Yeah, Swish, get it together and start acting more like Arch's friends and family.
Bro I swear to god I didn't even mention my service though. He did.
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One thing I've learned from family and friends that served...........absolutely NONE of them talk about it or brag about (I was there. You don't know jack. I was there.")
And absolutely NONE of them brag about the car they drive. Oh well...
Yeah, Swish, get it together and start acting more like Arch's friends and family.
Bro I swear to god I didn't even mention my service though. He did.
I know.
I'm just pointing out his absurdity.
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Because you can't realize that, YOU are what represents the idea that Americans are dumb and have no idea how the rest of the world lives in the eyes of other countries. You guys live in a freaking box. I swear to god.
Eh, I'd say the middle easterners live in a box. You, sir, bragging about your service and your BMW........well, it's great that you were born in Turkey (or were you not? You sure seem to hammer that point home any chance you get.)
You are the epitome of "I served, so believe everything I say".
I have HUGE respect for vets. You seem to think you know more than others.
That's great that you were born in Turkey (or were you?) That's great that you think your opinion is worth more than mine.
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well, it's great that you were born in Turkey (or were you not? You sure seem to hammer that point home any chance you get.)
You can count me in as one sick and tired of all these people rubbing it in my face that they were born in Turkey.
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Because you can't realize that, YOU are what represents the idea that Americans are dumb and have no idea how the rest of the world lives in the eyes of other countries. You guys live in a freaking box. I swear to god.
Eh, I'd say the middle easterners live in a box. You, sir, bragging about your service and your BMW........well, it's great that you were born in Turkey (or were you not? You sure seem to hammer that point home any chance you get.)
You are the epitome of "I served, so believe everything I say".
I have HUGE respect for vets. You seem to think you know more than others.
That's great that you were born in Turkey (or were you?) That's great that you think your opinion is worth more than mine.
So wait, me having experience in an area you're lacking is a bad thing now? You know I don't comment on jobs and corporations and I listen to you and others about it? Because I have no experience in it. You clearly do, thus I fall back and read what you and others have to say.
But when I bring up credentials as to why I believe the way I do, and I tell experience to bring up my opinions, it's a problem?
So you rather me make up BS in any thread? And when did I brag about at BMW? I simply said in the other thread hats why I bought one over a ford or Chevy.
You DO realize that their are pick up trucks that cost more than what I paid for my car right? Brand new I paid 35k cause of he military discount and tax free overseas. Fully loaded F-150 and silverados, some who ON THIS BOARD OWN, cost more than my damn car. So how can I brag about something when a lot of people on this board own cars that cost more than mine?
I'm not like you. I don't share your opinions, and I'm not your friends and family. Which I'm glad, cause right now you're making it seems like the people you know just say whatever to please the other guy. Sorry that I actually have my own thought process
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well, it's great that you were born in Turkey (or were you not? You sure seem to hammer that point home any chance you get.)
You can count me in as one sick and tired of all these people rubbing it in my face that they were born in Turkey.
They're almost as annoying as people who work brag about working at NBC.
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Have at it. I bet you'll be in the top 10% soon. Best of luck. Thank your wife.
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Have at it. I bet you'll be in the top 10% soon. Best of luck. Thank your wife.
He's not bitter or angry at all, folks. He's just having fun with it.
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well, it's great that you were born in Turkey (or were you not? You sure seem to hammer that point home any chance you get.)
You can count me in as one sick and tired of all these people rubbing it in my face that they were born in Turkey.
They're almost as annoying as people who work brag about working at NBC.
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Obama has one signature piece of legislation, Healthcare Reform, which is in shaky condition right now.
What else has he accomplished? What has he managed to work across the aisle on? No President gets everything he wants. That's the easy excuse. Rarely anymore does a President get the House and a filibuster-proof Senate to go along with his presidency. Obama started out with that huge advantage. What did he do with it? What did be accomplish? What has he accomplished since?
People complain about the Republicans, and some is warranted ...... but leadership isn't leading when it's easy ..... it's leading when it's hard, and others are aligned against you. It is leading when others wouldn't follow most in your position. It is encouraging, cajoling, and influencing others to follow you. It might even mean, as Reagan said, giving in on a few minor issues to get one of your larger principles passed. When has Obama done that?
When has Obama done that? He complains a lot, but he really hasn't led. What bipartisan legislation has he championed and led on? What has he seen passed and signed into law since he lost his ultimate control of the government? He hasn't even been able to get a budget through the Senate, which his party controls.
He has been one of the most ineffective Presidents in history.
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A quick Google search using the words: "Obama Accomplishments" will bring up any number of websites which will list just the things we're trying to debate here.
Many of these sites will most likely be "Pro O" propaganda sites, and many of his "accomplishments" can be fact-checked and debated line item by line item, but the point is that he hasn't just hidden under the desk in the oval office for 5 1/2 years.
No president- past present or future is truly ineffective. Their perceived "effectiveness" will always be evaluated by subjective means... and probably can't be objectively evaluated for at least 20-30 years. It's one of the reasons that I stay out of these conversations... I'm not even sure how much I trust my own opinions about a sitting president- so I damn sure ain't going "all-in" for or against any of them in these debates.
For what it's worth, I saw people who voted D rip Bush 43 a new heiny for 8 years straight.... just like people who voted R in 2008 and 2012 are doing with Obama. It the nature of the game. It's what we do.
My predix: in 20-30 years time, historians will see this man as someone less than his diehard supporters say he is, and better than his diehard detractors say he is.
He damnsho ain't perfect. At the same time he can't simultaneously be:
A Kenyan
A Muslim
A Christian
A Socialist
A Marxist
A Communist
A A Liberal
A tyrant
A lawless dictator
and a weak, gutless empty suit....
...and yet, he's been called all of these (and more) by many of the same people (coughFOXNewsopinionheadscough) every day for the past 5.5 years. Simple reason tells us he can't possibly be all this, all the time... but it has been unceasing since before he took his first oath of office. With this noise- and all the counter-noise that his supporters spit, how are ANY of us to form an objective opinion on a day-to-day basis?
Y'all go on with yo bad selves.... have fun with the back & forth all you want. I'd rather wait a few years, and get back with you guys then. I think it would be a much more temperate, considered discussion than the ones we have now.
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He has done some things outside of the Constitutional structure of government ..... using executive orders and other structures within the government to make changes that should go through Congress.
As examples .....
He has decided that the INS will not arrest, detain, and deport children of illegals, who came here illegally. That was never approved by Obama, but dictated from his office.
He also has decided that he wasn't going to enforce federal law on marijuana possession. In other words, in these 2 cases, he has decided to set aside law, because he disagrees with the law. He hasn;t worked to change the law ..... he hasn't used the bully pulpit to make changes ..... he just decided that he would do what he wanted to do.
I am quite certain that other Presidents have done the same types of things ..... but it seems as though this President is less likely to work through the Constitutional system than any other President.
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Yes he did take the lead. He pushed it through.
He allowed the states to experiment with the weed laws and told the DEA to fall back on the raids.
You're cherry picking like the rest of them. Keep going though. Cause the worst president doesn't get voted in... Twice.
You can add many more lack of leadership examples to this list, like Ukraine and immigration.
An Examination of the Leadership of Barack Obama
By Seth Connell on November 14, 2013 • ( 1 Comment )
This post was submitted as a paper for a government class at Regent University. It has been modified for publication.
During the 2008 election cycle, it was widely believed that Hillary Clinton was the best political leader for America. However, after 17 months of hard campaigning, Senator Obama rose through the ranks to win the Democratic nomination. In October 2008, Senator Obama received endorsement from the New York Times; they believed that he could fix the ailing economy, and that he displayed a “cool head and sound judgment” that the United States desperately needed.[1] Obama ran on a platform of “hope and change.” He received a Nobel Peace prize just eight months into his first term of the presidency for “extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.”[2] Obama began his presidency with a promise of “unprecedented level of openness in Government.”[3] One of his other promises was “transparency to government by tracking federal spending online.”[4] However, upon examination of President Barack Obama’s leadership, one may see that the ability to lead is simply absent. President Obama has shown a lack of leadership in regards to the terrorist attack in Benghazi, the management of the nation’s finances, and the promise of the Affordable Care Act.
What is a Good Political Leader?
In order to determine whether Barack Obama is a good political leader or not, a good political leader must be defined. According to Magstadt, “[G]reat leaders practice statecraft by combining power and wisdom—thus the title statesman.”[5] Magstadt contends that good political leaders are those who commit to public good, have extraordinary political skills, and put practical wisdom into action.[6] Leaders who have displayed such characteristics include Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, and Abraham Lincoln. While the policy implications for each of these leaders are a different argument, the manner in which they led their nation is what defines them as good political leaders. Each displayed two qualities that Winston Churchill described as the essential leadership qualities: courage and perseverance.
A primary authority on rhetoric and politics is Aristotle. In book I of Aristotle’s Rhetoric, he contends that a good political leader should be able to “deliberate and on which political speakers make speeches are some five in number” (Book I, chapter 4). The “five in number” that Aristotle mentions are the ways and means, peace and war, national defense, trade, and legislation. In addition to these qualities, Aristotle also sets forth three means of persuasion: logos, pathos and ethos. A good rhetorician (and political leader) will make good use of each of these for the general welfare of the nation. The actions of President Obama do not reflect the qualities of a good political leader outlined by Aristotle.
Terrorist Attack in Benghazi
A major national security issue that President Obama had to deal with was a terrorist attack on the United States Consulate in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012. During the immediate aftermath, the President and his administration downplayed the event. A false narrative about the attack was disseminated to the public; a protest in response to an inflammatory video was blamed.[7] In Congressional testimony, deputy chief Gregory Hicks testified that almost everyone at the diplomatic mission knew that it was a terrorist attack.[8] What must be understood is that Ambassador Chris Stephens, who was killed in the attack, had requested for more security at the consulate multiple times, but was consistently denied. Stevens and his security staff were deeply concerned about security in the area, especially on September 11, 2012.[9] If President Obama’s administration had an adequate understanding of the threat still posed by terrorist groups, security could have been bolstered enough to better protect the consulate. Also through Congressional testimony, it was revealed by former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta that President Obama was “MIA” during the Benghazi attack.[10]
A comparable situation to the Benghazi situation is the Iran-Contra scandal that plagued President Reagan. After about 3 months of criticism and investigation, he admitted that the United States had engaged in deals with terrorists, and laid the responsibility on his shoulders.[11] While he may not have been directly involved, his administration engaged in the activity, and he felt that he was still accountable. Reagan’s actions demonstrated responsibility and integrity. Until this point, President Obama has displayed no such responsibility about the attack.
Recent developments have shown that the CIA and State Departments purposefully obstruct communication with survivors of the attack.[12] This begs the question as to what is being deliberatively hidden by the executive branch. While there are certain facts that must be kept classified with national security, some of the actions taken (or not taken) by the President should be made known to the public. If there was any miscommunication or neglect, a good political leader will admit to the error and ask public forgiveness. This absence of candor has been characteristic of the Obama White House, which partially explains his diminishing approval rating.
Management of American Finances
A second issue that has caused widespread damage to America is that level of debt that has accumulated under the President Obama. Not all of the blame can be placed on the office of the president, but the executive branch does maintain a responsibility of approving a budget under the Constitution. Rather than working to reduce the federal deficit, nearly $821 billion was added to the economy in the stimulus package under President Obama in 2009.[13] In a time of severe deficit, adding a further burden to the debt does not show discretion in ways and means.
The President has also taken many lavish vacations at the expense of American taxpayers. For example, the recent family trip in the summer of 2013 to Africa reportedly cost American taxpayers between $60 and $100 million.[14] In a time of fiscal trouble, taking an extremely expensive personal trip overseas is a sign of failure of leadership. The national debt also exceeds 100% of the GDP, meaning that the United States owes more money in debt than all of its yearly domestic product value. When interviewed by CNN Money, former Join Chief of Staff chairman Mike Mullen said that the debt is the largest threat to U.S. national security.[15] Considering that the United States already had about a $10.626 trillion deficit[16] when Obama became president, it is obvious that he and his administration have not shown discretion in terms of ways and means.
Affordable Care Act Management
A third challenge that President Obama has encountered is the rollout of the Affordable Care Act. In 2009-2010, President Obama went on a tour to gain support for his new healthcare law. On March 23, 2010, the law was signed by the President, thus fulfilling one of his major campaign promises. However, there is a major problem with how he handled promotion of the law. He stated dozens of times that “f you like your plan, you can keep your plan.”[17] Many presidents make promises they cannot keep, but there is something fundamentally different about this specific one. Somewhere buried in the plethora of regulations of the Affordable Care Act lays a statute that invalidates an insurance policy if any minute change occurs to the policy after the law goes into effect.[18] The issue is that health insurance companies change their premiums annually. It is impossible that this regulation was accidentally placed and/or overlooked; a provision that would cause such a large change would have to be known to the President.[19]
Rush Limbaugh, a popular Conservative talk show host, has gone as far to say this is “the biggest presidential lie in my lifetime.”[20] From the deception in Watergate, to Monica Lewinsky, nothing comes close to this for Limbaugh. Many of the American people seem to agree. Since January 2013, President Obama’s approval has dropped 11 points to just 41%, and down to just 37% on healthcare policy according to Pew Research Center.[21] It is not unusual for presidents to lose approval during tenure, but the reason for this loss of approval is important. The President told an outright lie to the American people about the healthcare law. According to Aristotle, a good political leader has knowledge about the legislation and constitution of his country. A law that places the government as the head of 1/6 of the economy is something that is simply incompatible with American economics and values. America, for most of its history, has primarily used a Capitalist economic system, healthcare included. Unlike Europe, a large majority of American support individual choices rather than government standards.[22]
Conclusion
In conclusion, the handling of these three affairs demonstrates that President Obama lacks political leader skill. President Obama, and his administration, created a false narrative about the Benghazi attack, though testimony tells that witnesses knew it was terrorism immediately. The federal deficit has reached an unprecedented level of $17 trillion. The national debt exceeds the annual American GDP. The rate of federal spending will bankrupt the United States unless severe cuts are made. President Obama has also taken no major steps to reduce the debt; in fact, his lavish vacations and bailouts have dramatically increased it. Finally, the Obama administration told the American people a blatant lie by saying that no one’s health insurance would be canceled under the Affordable Care Act. A president that would tell a direct lie to the people does not display good leadership. A good political leader would not cover up details about a terrorist attack, spend a nation into bankruptcy, or directly lie to the people. These actions are degrading and have lower morale of the citizens. It is for these reasons that President Barack Obama is not a good political leader.
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Not one person has listed a valid reason why he lacks leadership.
How about he's caved on just about every pertinent issue that faced him since he came into office?
Hahaha, exactly what I wanted to say but Obama supporters won't ever see it.
Let me ask you this Swish - if he isn't a bad a leader, then he must be a good leader - what reasoning do you have to support this? This should be interesting to hear.
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I find it hilarious when people say he didn't handle Ukraine great, but they don't give a reasonable explanation about what they wanted to see happen in the Ukraine. All it comes down to is, "I would have handled it the exact same way, but I wouldn't have talked about doing much more."
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I have been one of Obama's bigger critics, and I said all along that I had no idea what the right tact and tone to take in Ukraine was.
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I find it hilarious when people say he didn't handle Ukraine great, but they don't give a reasonable explanation about what they wanted to see happen in the Ukraine. All it comes down to is, "I would have handled it the exact same way, but I wouldn't have talked about doing much more."
He was too busy to do anything about Ukraine, so you would have handled it the same way?
Obama maintains busy fundraising schedule, even when crises occur
Last week it was Hollywood glitterati. The week before it was Wall Street financiers. Regardless of what is going on in America and the world, one thing has become certain about President Barack Obama's work schedule — there will always be fundraisers. On Tuesday, the president left Washington to spend three days traveling up and down the West Coast to line the coffers of his party ahead of the midterms. He dined and spoke in Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles for attendees paying up to $32,400 for the privilege.
This year alone, Obama has attended 40 fundraisers and has hosted nearly 400 events while in office. First lady Michelle Obama has been hitting the fundraising circuit as well. In Chicago on Friday, she urged the assembled supporters to "write a big, fat check" to ensure the Democrats have the best chance of doing well in the midterms. Just one day earlier, she admitted "there's too much money in politics."
Spending so much time on fundraising can be risky. When the first reports of the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash came through, Obama was making his way to New York. Instead of turning around for Washington, the president continued on to two fundraising events, keeping in close contact with Secretary of State John Kerry, D-Mass., throughout the evening. The decision left the president open to attacks about use of his time.
"I don't understand this president," said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. "This is, what we used to call in the military, AWOL."
Obama is not breaking new ground by spending so much time fundraising. In fact, he is part of a long-term trend. Over the past 30 years, the number of fundraising events undertaken by presidents in office has been on the rise. In their first terms, presidents tend to have fewer events. Ronald Reagan hosted 80 fundraising events in his first term. George H.W. Bush beat it with 137 events in his single term, while Bill Clinton managed 167 events. George W. Bush hosted 173 fundraisers, which Obama fitted in more than any other president — 321 events in his first term.
During their second terms, recent presidents have ramped up the number of events they host, no longer having to worry about their own re-election campaigns. Instead, there is one final push for the midterms before moving on to assisting their party's next presidential candidate. In his second term, Reagan hosted 100 fundraisers, while Clinton managed a staggering 471 events in his last four years. George W. Bush hosted significantly fewer events in his second term, 155, possibly due to the repercussions of the financial crisis, while Obama has garnered 72 so far. Although he is lagging behind the number of fundraisers Clinton had held by this time in his second term, Obama is on track to host more events than Bush, who had attended 30 fundraisers by this point in 2006.
Although Obama has a long way to go to become fundraiser in chief, it is becoming less clear what is happening at these events. According to CBS' Mark Knoller, out of the 40 fundraisers hosted by Obama in 2014 so far, 17 of them were closed to the press. Half were open to the White House pool of print reporters, albeit with no Q&As, while just three were open for TV coverage. In these closed press fundraisers, the White House pool members are briefed on the ticket prices and number of attendees.
The increasing number and secrecy of these events is a troubling proposition for those who monitor the level of fundraising presidents undertake. Brendan Doherty, an associate professor of political science at the U.S. Naval Academy, has chronicled the rise of political fundraisers in his book, "The Rise of the President's Permanent Campaign." He says that fundraising is only going to become a bigger and bigger part of the president's job — distracting him from other matters.
"The president's time is his scarcest resource," Doherty says. "By forgoing other activities to fundraise, there is a definite shift in presidential resources."
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You guys are killing me with Ukraine. Some of you straight out say you don't know what should've been done, but we all agree no military.
Obama imposed more sanctions, which Russia is right now CRYING over. Combined with the EU. they need us, they know it, we know it.
Y'all have absolutely no idea what you want. Y'all try to say he goes over his bounds with executive actions, saying he does whatever he wants.
Then y'all turn around and say he does too little. Y'all can't even convince yourselves, yet y'all expect by some magical wish that the rest of America sees what you sees, which is nothing, since you don't even know what you're complaining about.
Dems are gonna march right back into the White House in 2016.
Why? The dems might be jacked up, my the republican base is just a big natural disaster area.
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I find it hilarious when people say he didn't handle Ukraine great, but they don't give a reasonable explanation about what they wanted to see happen in the Ukraine. All it comes down to is, "I would have handled it the exact same way, but I wouldn't have talked about doing much more."
I don't see how that's hilarious.
That is an issue.
You can only say 'don't do this, or else' before you either have to 'or else', or people start ignoring you.
In many ways, he's the anti-Roosevelt. He talks loud, bit doesn't do much to back it up.
It's a minor thing in terms of Ukraine, but it's a legit issue
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The list goes on and on. I'm curious: Where has O been a leader?
Howabout, jobs, spending, deficits? Look at the numbers and notice the GOP is silent on these subjects these days.
Stopped the Job Nightmare. We went from losing 700,000 jobs a month to adding 250,000. We might see our greatest private sector job growth ever under Obama. Yup. We are adding more private sector jobs every 6 months than we did in Bush's 8 years. AND, Bush increased public sector employment by 3%, since then it has decreased it by 2%.
Stopped the Spending Nightmare. After Bush increased spending by $1 Trillion, averaged 8% increase per year. Its curbed to 1%. Better than Reagan. Obama's spending record will go down as the lowest increase since Eisenhower. From Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/20...s-barack-obama/
Attacked the $1 Trillion Deficit. When he took office the deficit was $1.2 Trillion and soaring. Its reduced by $700 Billion. Greatest reduction ever.
Stock Market. Doubled, approaching Triple. Negative returns for the previous administration.
Now its my turn to ask you a few questions. I'm curious:
Do you prefer losing 700,000 jobs a month or adding 250,000?
Do you prefer $1.2 Trillion deficits or $500 billion?
Do you prefer a tanking stock market or a doubling market?
Do you prefer increasing spending by 8% or 1%?
Do you prefer spending $1 trillion and 5,000 lives for no WMD or zero for Syria's Chemical weapons?
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[ the budget, the economy, taxes, - you name it - he's never taken a firm stand on anything until the coast was clear.
No way. The GOP used to scream about his economy, stimulus and budget. They wanted crippling, austerity. Wrong. He stood firm, he won. He pushed his budget. We are adding jobs, doubling the market, slashing the deficit and spending is growing at its slowest rate since Eisenhower.
Taxes,,, Man, remember Class Warfare? The GOP fight to save the Almighty Job Creators. Their threats: We were supposed to fold the moment Obama "Hit Them." Nope. We are adding more jobs now. The market continues to roar. The deficit is really falling with that extra revenue. And for the other 99%, our taxes are set permanent instead of this constant extension fighting.
Its funny how he is a Dominant Dictator that pushes the GOP around 1 day, than he is a weakling that can't do anything the next.
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The list goes on and on. I'm curious: Where has O been a leader?
Howabout, jobs, spending, deficits? Look at the numbers and notice the GOP is silent on these subjects these days.
Stopped the Job Nightmare. We went from losing 700,000 jobs a month to adding 250,000. We might see our greatest private sector job growth ever under Obama. Yup. We are adding more private sector jobs every 6 months than we did in Bush's 8 years. AND, Bush increased public sector employment by 3%, since then it has decreased it by 2%.
Stopped the Spending Nightmare. After Bush increased spending by $1 Trillion, averaged 8% increase per year. Its curbed to 1%. Better than Reagan. Obama's spending record will go down as the lowest increase since Eisenhower. From Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/20...s-barack-obama/
Attacked the $1 Trillion Deficit. When he took office the deficit was $1.2 Trillion and soaring. Its reduced by $700 Billion. Greatest reduction ever.
Stock Market. Doubled, approaching Triple. Negative returns for the previous administration.
Now its my turn to ask you a few questions. I'm curious:
Do you prefer losing 700,000 jobs a month or adding 250,000?
Do you prefer $1.2 Trillion deficits or $500 billion?
Do you prefer a tanking stock market or a doubling market?
Do you prefer increasing spending by 8% or 1%?
Do you prefer spending $1 trillion and 5,000 lives for no WMD or zero for Syria's Chemical weapons?
http://akhilleuslight.tumblr.com/post/19859507894/the-national-debt-federal-deficit-before-and-after
http://missoulian.com/news/opinion/mailb...19bb2963f4.html
Play with this one. Couple of things: Look at the national debt, then click on the "debt clock time machine" in the upper right hand. In 2008 it was about $10 trillion. Today, it's over $17 trillion. http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Tell me again how well this country is doing?
Hey, printing money is easy for the gov't., isn't it.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but Obama's donors are the same of the GOP which support big business, the 1%, and everything that class warfare is about.
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Tell me again how well this country is doing?
Hey, printing money is easy for the gov't., isn't it.
You dodged all 5 of my questions. That tells me how well we are doing.
But I'll keep fielding your concerns. Yes, the debt continues to climb. It has happened under every President in the last century. The GOP finally folded on some revenue (the 1%) but otherwise revenue hasn't been much of an option. The only option would be to cut all $1 Trillion of Bush's Spending Increases while we were losing 700,000 jobs a month. Yikes.
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Tell me again how well this country is doing?
Hey, printing money is easy for the gov't., isn't it.
You dodged all 5 of my questions. That tells me how well we are doing.
But I'll keep fielding your concerns. Yes, the debt continues to climb. It has happened under every President in the last century. The GOP finally folded on some revenue (the 1%) but otherwise revenue hasn't been much of an option. The only option would be to cut all $1 Trillion of Bush's Spending Increases while we were losing 700,000 jobs a month. Yikes.
Ahhh! The Bush factor. 
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This isn't the Republican National Convention. You can't keep him away and pretend it never happened.
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Tell me again how well this country is doing?
Hey, printing money is easy for the gov't., isn't it.
You dodged all 5 of my questions. That tells me how well we are doing.
But I'll keep fielding your concerns. Yes, the debt continues to climb. It has happened under every President in the last century. The GOP finally folded on some revenue (the 1%) but otherwise revenue hasn't been much of an option. The only option would be to cut all $1 Trillion of Bush's Spending Increases while we were losing 700,000 jobs a month. Yikes.
Actually, without going into detail, it is possible for the "printing money" aspect to have improved the first 4 of your 5 questions.
Question 5 - no, printing money didn't help that, and no, in hindsight it was a wrong/bad thing to do. What was Congress' vote on that again?
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