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Gotta be active for 6 games to accrue a season. Anything more than a 10 game suspension adds a year to when he can be a UFA.
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Maybe not morally, but I'd think ethics play a role in any legitimate business.
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The NFL’s receiving yards leader from a season ago will meet with the NFL on Aug. 1 to have his appeal hearing heard and could be facing an indefinite suspension according to ESPN’s Chris Mortensen. However, Mortsensen also mentioned on Friday’s “NFL Live” that Gordon could get off on a technicality and could be available for Cleveland.
If true, the season may be looking up! 
If it is true, if the Browns drafting Johnny Manziel was big for the Browns, this would be monumental.
#brownsgoodkarma, but more importantly, Josh getting his life back together.
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That’s an interesting question – is it better to have Gordon suspended 16 games and owe the Browns two more full seasons under contract, or have him be active for, say, four games and owe the Browns only one more season under contract?
Can't say I ever thought about it like that. Interesting...
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I wasn't aware that professional sports organizations were morally obligated to help people with mental issues or drug additions.
Maybe not morally, but I'd think ethics play a role in any legitimate business.
It's not just that, you have to look at each player as an investment (I know that sounds cold). If you see that the player has great potential (gordon) then it's smart business to get him help and do everything you can to maximize your ROI.
From a moral or ethical standpoint, it's certainly right to help an employee.
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Maybe not morally, but I'd think ethics play a role in any legitimate business.
They'll protect an investment to the point where they believe it can be protected. They're not going to protect an investment that's proving to not be worth it. They'll cut it loose and write it off as a bad investment.
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Retweeted by Nate Ulrich Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter · 15m Josh Gordon has hired attorney Maurice Suh, who helped Richard Sherman win his appeal. Suh will work w/ noted NFLPA attorney Heather McPhee. maybe the pothead will get off. 
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Josh Gordon has hired attorney Maurice Suh, who helped Richard Sherman win his appeal. Suh will work w/ noted NFLPA attorney Heather McPhee.
maybe the pothead will get off.
Hope so.
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Josh Gordon hires attorney Suh Browns wide receiever Josh Gordon, facing a one-year suspension, has hired attorney Maurice Suh, who helped Seattle Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman win his appeal of a contested positive test, per a league source. Suh will work alongside NFLPA attorney Heather McPhee, who has an excellent reputation in league circles, to try to help salvage as much of this season as possible for Cleveland's Pro Bowl wide receiver. At the very least, Gordon has recognized how important it is to have such strong legal representation. Gordon began working with Suh earlier this month in preparation of an appeal that has been scheduled for Friday. McPhee has been on the case all along. McPhee and Suh -- a partner at Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, in Los Angeles -- helped Sherman avoid a suspension when they argued that a cup with a broken seal was used during Sherman's urine test. At the time, Suh released a statement saying: "We are very pleased that the hearing officer recognized that the egregious errors that occurred with Mr. Sherman's collection required overturning the NFL's discipline. Mr. Sherman provided honest testimony about a severely flawed process, and the hearing officer found him to be a credible man. We couldn't be happier for Richard, and we were thrilled to help him and the union present a very strong case." Now Gordon, who has made his mark on offense, is getting ready to go on defense. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11277999/josh-gordon-cleveland-browns-hires-attorneymakes me wonder when he file appeal? maybe he didn't file until a month ago and this is why it is dragging out?
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Been hearing som the the rumblings and It would be awesome if he got off on a technicality but I'm not holding my breath. I still think he is gone for the year.
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Been hearing som the the rumblings and It would be awesome if he got off on a technicality but I'm not holding my breath. I still think he is gone for the year.
Yea, I'm thinkin' all year too. 
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So let's say by some miracle he gets off the weed thing, how long would he be suspended for the DUI? That just felt bad typing 
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I truly hope he beats this, but I feel he won't. If he gets off and beats the system, it could be a bad thing. He has been through this and if he doesn't face the punishment, it could be a reason to continue on the same path.
This kid could be a hall of fame player, it just kills me that he doesn't see it himself.
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I might be the only Brown's fan in the world who hope he doesn't get off. He needs to learn that he can't just do whatever he wants.
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So let's say by some miracle he gets off the weed thing, how long would he be suspended for the DUI?
That just felt bad typing
He would have to go to court first and found guilty before they would act on that. Since it is .01 over the limit he may be able to hire a good lawyer, do some community service and get off with a reckless driving charge.
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So let's say by some miracle he gets off the weed thing, how long would he be suspended for the DUI?
That just felt bad typing
He would have to go to court first and found guilty before they would act on that. Since it is .01 over the limit he may be able to hire a good lawyer, do some community service and get off with a reckless driving charge.
Yeah, there's no way he'll be found guilty of DUI. He'll either plead guilty to reckless driving or plead nolo contendere.
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I might be the only Brown's fan in the world who hope he doesn't get off. He needs to learn that he can't just do whatever he wants.
yeah, probably not too many people would admit to wanting him suspended indefinitely.....
...but if it is a glitch with a flight being late, and he tested clean the next day (a day late)- isn't an indefinite suspension a bit harsh.
I suppose in about a week the real story will come out. I just hope the truth is a missed test and not a positive test. It's really anybody's best guess at this point. It seems like the league has been swift to judgment on many other players this offseason, but for some reason this one is just dragging on into training camp. I don't think it is as black and white as an actual positive test..... there must be more too this story.
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Off season I would force him to spend it all at REHAB centers!
I believe Josh spent 2 weeks in rehab after his last problem with the DUI
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Agreed. He should probably go with someone from...
....wait for it....
"Dewey, Cheatham & Howe"
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I might be the only Brown's fan in the world who hope he doesn't get off. He needs to learn that he can't just do whatever he wants.
yeah, probably not too many people would admit to wanting him suspended indefinitely.....
...but if it is a glitch with a flight being late, and he tested clean the next day (a day late)- isn't an indefinite suspension a bit harsh.
I suppose in about a week the real story will come out. I just hope the truth is a missed test and not a positive test. It's really anybody's best guess at this point. It seems like the league has been swift to judgment on many other players this offseason, but for some reason this one is just dragging on into training camp. I don't think it is as black and white as an actual positive test..... there must be more too this story.
That kind of scenario is what I have heard might be the case ..... and if he missed a test by one day because of a screw up while away from home, but tested perfectly clean the next day, then I think that he has a solid case.
We'll see what the verdict is. Should be interesting.
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That kind of scenario is what I have heard might be the case .....
I heard Mark Fuhrman planted the dirty urine.
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Agreed. He should probably go with someone from...
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Damn we really think alike That has to be scary for you bro lol
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Attorneys like Suh don't take cases they are sure to lose.
This is a good sign, IMO, for Gordon.
you had a good run Hank.
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Attorneys like Suh don't take cases they are sure to lose.
This is a good sign, IMO, for Gordon.
While I would love to see Gordon back on the field as soon as possible, I won't be upset and I will feel like he deserves it if he gets punished... what's more important to me than getting Gordon back this year is him getting his life together and conquering his demons and learning to make better decisions..
If that's in time to play this year, awesome, if it's after week 6, ok.. if it's not until next year, no problem... just get it together kid... 
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The biggest problem that we, as fans, have, is that we will never know for sure exactly what truly happened. The player, or his lawyer, may speak, but the NFL will never disclose exactly what happened. There may be leaks .... but those certainly aren't infallible.
We'll get one side by the player/lawyer comments, and one by what the NFL decides, but we'll never get the complete story.
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Unless a guy really feels like he's being railroaded, I'm guess all we'll even get from the player is a statement how he wants to put this behind him and get back to playing and how it's in the past and how he's changed...
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what's more important to me than getting Gordon back this year is him getting his life together and conquering his demons and learning to make better decisions..
What's most important to me is Josh Gordon scoring touchdowns.
I hope he gets his life together, but I can't pretend that my motives go above the orange helmet.
If I had a choice between he gets to play this year, we win a Super Bowl, and then his life spirals out of control, or he gets the help he needs, becomes a better man and ends up signing with Dallas in two years after we have back-to-back 8-8 seasons, I choose A.
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The biggest problem that we, as fans, have, is that we will never know for sure exactly what truly happened. The player, or his lawyer, may speak, but the NFL will never disclose exactly what happened. There may be leaks .... but those certainly aren't infallible.
We'll get one side by the player/lawyer comments, and one by what the NFL decides, but we'll never get the complete story.
This isn't entirely true. The NFL, as an organization would never comment on the case, however people who work for the NFL will comment to reporters if what is said is false. Considering they've already leaked most of the story, if Josh is fibbing to the public, some anonymous source will put things in their place.
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The biggest problem that we, as fans, have, is that we will never know for sure exactly what truly happened. The player, or his lawyer, may speak, but the NFL will never disclose exactly what happened. There may be leaks .... but those certainly aren't infallible.
We'll get one side by the player/lawyer comments, and one by what the NFL decides, but we'll never get the complete story.
This isn't entirely true. The NFL, as an organization would never comment on the case, however people who work for the NFL will comment to reporters if what is said is false. Considering they've already leaked most of the story, if Josh is fibbing to the public, some anonymous source will put things in their place.
Can you give me one case where someone from the NFL went on the record about a players drug suspension, or case, that went beyond the policy violated, and the penalty?
I can't think of any, because that would violate the HIPPA confidentiality requirements built into the substance abuse policy. The NFL could be sued by a player if they violated his rights.
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Again, the NFL, as a whole, would not say anything. That means no one will go on record about this. Every employee is the face of their company while they like it or not. However one person would, most likely, be an anonymous source.
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The biggest problem that we, as fans, have, is that we will never know for sure exactly what truly happened. The player, or his lawyer, may speak, but the NFL will never disclose exactly what happened. There may be leaks .... but those certainly aren't infallible.
We'll get one side by the player/lawyer comments, and one by what the NFL decides, but we'll never get the complete story.
This isn't entirely true. The NFL, as an organization would never comment on the case, however people who work for the NFL will comment to reporters if what is said is false. Considering they've already leaked most of the story, if Josh is fibbing to the public, some anonymous source will put things in their place.
Can you give me one case where someone from the NFL went on the record about a players drug suspension, or case, that went beyond the policy violated, and the penalty?
I can't think of any, because that would violate the HIPPA confidentiality requirements built into the substance abuse policy. The NFL could be sued by a player if they violated his rights.
He never said the NFL would comment.
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Again, the NFL, as a whole, would not say anything. That means no one will go on record about this. Every employee is the face of their company while they like it or not. However one person would, most likely, be an anonymous source.
Their employees are also under the same restrictions. Teams are ..... GMs ..... coaches ...... NFL office personnel ......I'll ask again ... can you find me an example of someone employed by the NFL, other than a player, commenting, on the record, about a player's drug suspension other than the type of suspension, and the penalty?
If I'm wrong, then fine ...... but I don't recall any, and as far as I know, it could easily cost someone their job if they did comment on such a matter. If you have an example, then by all means, please share it with me.
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Here's the thing though, they're anonymous. For example, the NFL has not commented about Josh Gordon's case at all. They're not giving time lines, they're not giving anything away. But why are we hearing about it? Because people are going to the media and the media reports it. Those sources are anonymous. That's the great thing about anonymous sources, when they can be trusted, you don't know who is leaking it. It could come from Roger Goodell, God, or Joe Schmoe the cleaning guy who has an unsettling desire for NFL court procedures. I'm saying, no one will officially, go on record. No one can attach their name to it for the same reasons you listed.
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And as I said ...... sometimes anonymous sources are accurate ...... and sometimes not. There is no accountability for an unknown source, and you take everything on faith with such a source. You may be able to judge the validity of the source by the writer using the source, but not always.
As near as I can tell, the story was broken by ESPN on "Outside the Lines". I am not sure which reporter broke the story. I have seen a primary source listed as an article by TJ Quinn and Don Van Natta Jr.
I don't know a whole lot about these 2 gentlemen ....or their track records. Everyone seems to be taking what they reported on faith .... and maybe they are worth that faith .... but maybe not. I really don't know anything about them. We'll have to see how this turns out, as to the validity of their source.
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