JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — After black voters helped Mississippi Sen. Thad Cochran survive an intense Republican primary runoff against an insurgent conservative challenger, some civil rights leaders in the South want him to repay the favor.
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"But for the Voting Rights Act, those African-Americans who turned out to the polls ... to support his re-election would not have had the opportunity to do so," said Mississippi NAACP President Derrick Johnson.
Cochran angered some conservatives with his unabashed appeal to Democrats in the June 24 runoff election against state Sen. Chris McDaniel, who eked out a win with the support of tea party groups in the state's primary but didn't win the outright majority required to avoid a runoff against the six-term incumbent.
Black Mississippians, who AP exit polls have indicated overwhelmingly vote Democratic, have voted for Cochran in general elections in the past, but have never before been such a key voting bloc in a contested GOP contest. He must now ponder how to respond to that unusual primary coalition while mending fissures inside the state GOP, which is mostly supported by voters who are white.
That task is complicated by requests such as those made by Johnson, as well as a potential legal challenge from McDaniel. He and his supporters argue — so far without presenting any definitive evidence — that Cochran won because "liberal Democrats" voted in the June 3 Democratic primary and then in the Republican runoff three weeks later, violating the state's ban on what's called crossover voting. McDaniel said Friday on CNN that his campaign found at least 5,000 irregularities in voting, and he will mount a legal challenge "any day now."
It's just one more twist in an election that affirms politics in Mississippi and surrounding Southern states is sometimes still all about race, even a half century after President Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
View galleryFILE -This June 24, 2014 file photo shows U.S. Sen. … FILE -This June 24, 2014 file photo shows U.S. Sen. Thad Cochran, R-Miss., talking to supporters at … "One has to be careful what we ask the senator to do," said Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, the District of Columbia's envoy to Congress who worked in Mississippi during the civil rights movement as part of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee.
"Everyone expects to get votes from both sides, and he's been under attack from that," she said. "I wouldn't expect him to immediately stand up and make this his fight. His first task is to get himself back to the Senate."
Cochran was among the Republicans who generally celebrated the Supreme Court's decision a year ago to remove from the Voting Rights Act a requirement that governments in 15 states with a history of discrimination seek and win federal approval before making changes to their election laws and procedures — from polling hours to precinct borders.
"The court's finding reflects well on the progress states like Mississippi have made," Cochran said after the court ruled, adding "our state can ... ensure that our democratic processes are open and fair for all without being subject to excessive scrutiny."
Many voting rights advocates, particularly the NAACP and other minority advocacy groups, maintain that federal oversight is still needed. An effort is underway to address the court's concerns that the law was based on old data by restoring the "preclearance" requirement to four states with a recent history of voting discrimination — Georgia, Louisiana, Texas and Mississippi.
That legislation is caught in the same partisan gridlock that has stalled action on most issues in the current Congress, and Holmes said it's accepted on Capitol Hill there will be no votes before November's midterm election.
Cochran declined a request for comment about his position on that effort and hasn't said anything publicly about the Voting Rights Act since his come-from-behind win in a runoff election that featured a surge in turnout compared to the primary, particularly in counties where a majority of voters are black.
Francys Johnson, who leads the NAACP in Georgia, said he believes Cochran and his Republican colleagues in the Senate understand that minorities — and not just black voters — still need protections to ensure they can vote. But, he said, "they've got one eye on the tea party and one eye on the general population."
"Republicans have been at the heart of every major movement in civil rights in this country, whether it's in first Reconstruction after the Civil War or what I call the second Reconstruction after Jim Crow," he said. "If they don't step up, they risk losing that identity as a party of liberty."
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white people are pissssssed. y'all see the comment section? so racist all i could do is laugh. and they got upvoted too, crazy.
anyway, i didn't know it was "illegal" for democrats to vote in republican primaries. something about cross voting?
man...crazy stuff in the south.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Mississippi has an open primary, which means voters can vote cross-party, with the unenforceable proviso that they support that candidate in the general election. Also, its illegal to have voted Democrat in the primary and then participate in the Republican runoff election. Some 60,000 voters voted in the Republican runoff that did not vote in that party's primary. It seems likely that the Republican runoff result was subverted by Democrat voters, but its basically unproveable. So it goes. If conservatives are angry, I believe it is at Thad Cochran and Haley Barbour, for their cynical manipulation of the primary voting rule loopholes, and for their fear-mongering among black Democrat voters about McDaniel and the conservatives' intentions.
My wife and I have a long-running disagreement about term limits. She says we already have them - they're called elections, she says - while I say that in real life, its nearly impossible to get rid of one of these Washington DC creatures (Cochran, McCain, Kennedy, Byrd, etc) once they become entrenched, until they die.
I think the political parties view open primaries as a form of outreach to independents, and also a way to add to their mailing list for campaign purposes. Its also kind of like wearing a "kick me" sign on your back - you're asking for it. I don't see why they can't issue a ballot stub during primary elections that would have to be produced in order to vote in any subsequent runoff from that primary.
Quote: I don;t see the value in open primary's ? If anything , it distorts the issues and the ideologies ..
Open Primaries give Republicans candidates like Mitt Romney, John McCain, and so on. Democrats have to love it, because it promotes a weaker candidate to the top of the ticket ...... but on the other hand, it was suggested that many Republicans crossed lines to vote for Obama against Hillary Clinton, thinking him to be the easier candidate to beat ...... so what do people know?
I still think that the way Cochran ran his campaign is repulsive. He accused his opponent of being a racist, and all kinds of vile things. To me that is an unacceptable way of campaigning. Run on your merit vs the weaknesses of your opponent ...... but calling someone a racist .... an accusation without merit ...... and at the last moment so that he could not refute the accusations, is revolting.
From what I understand, the voters had a pair of primaries, a Democrat and Republican ...... and voters could only vote in one or the other ...... then the Republicans had a run off .... and the only people eligible to vote in that election are those who voted in the Republican primary, or those who did not vote in either primary. I have heard that the candidate who lost is looking into legal action to check the voting rolls against the primary, to disqualify any who voted in the Democrat primary. I have not heard an update on his efforts.
I do know that I would not support Thad Cochran if I lived in Mississippi. I would vote for whoever ran against him on the Democrat side. Cochran's tactics (not reaching out to Democrats, that's fine ..... but using racist comments is beyond the pale) disgust me that much.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: I don;t see the value in open primary's ? If anything , it distorts the issues and the ideologies ..
Open Primaries give Republicans candidates like Mitt Romney, John McCain, and so on. Democrats have to love it, because it promotes a weaker candidate to the top of the ticket ...... but on the other hand, it was suggested that many Republicans crossed lines to vote for Obama against Hillary Clinton, thinking him to be the easier candidate to beat ...... so what do people know?
I still think that the way Cochran ran his campaign is repulsive. He accused his opponent of being a racist, and all kinds of vile things. To me that is an unacceptable way of campaigning. Run on your merit vs the weaknesses of your opponent ...... but calling someone a racist .... an accusation without merit ...... and at the last moment so that he could not refute the accusations, is revolting.
From what I understand, the voters had a pair of primaries, a Democrat and Republican ...... and voters could only vote in one or the other ...... then the Republicans had a run off .... and the only people eligible to vote in that election are those who voted in the Republican primary, or those who did not vote in either primary. I have heard that the candidate who lost is looking into legal action to check the voting rolls against the primary, to disqualify any who voted in the Democrat primary. I have not heard an update on his efforts.
I do know that I would not support Thad Cochran if I lived in Mississippi. I would vote for whoever ran against him on the Democrat side. Cochran's tactics (not reaching out to Democrats, that's fine ..... but using racist comments is beyond the pale) disgust me that much.
Mississippi State Sen. Chris McDaniel (R), the conservative challenger to Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS), argued that hip-hop and a society that "values rap and destruction of community values" is the reason for gun violence.
McDaniel made the comments in the promo for a syndicated radio program he hosted from 2004 to 2007. Those comments were flagged Saturday by the Darkhorse Mississippi blog and reported Tuesday by Mother Jones.
"The reason Canada is breaking out with brand new gun violence has nothing to do with the United States and guns," McDaniel said in the teaser. "It has everything to do with a culture that is morally bankrupt. What kind of culture is that? It's called hip-hop."
The corrupting aspects of hip-hop, per McDaniel, aren't based on race. It promotes "destruction of community values," he said.
"Name a redeeming quality of hip-hop. I want to know anything about hip-hop that has been good for this country. "And it's not—before you get carried away—this has nothing to do with race. Because there are just as many hip-hopping white kids and Asian kids as there are hip-hopping black kids. It’s a problem of a culture that values prison more than college; a culture that values rap and destruction of community values more than it does poetry; a culture that can’t stand education. It’s that culture that can’t get control of itself."
In the same segment McDaniel argued that waterboarding, as used on Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, one of the masterminds behind the 9/11 attacks, was an effective tool only demonized by liberals.
"Waterboarding is something they do to people to make them talk. It is torture, to the liberals. It is a fairly humane form of torture, if you classify it as such," McDaniel also said. "Here's what happens: You make the guy believe he's going to drown. And as you know it's a pretty strong fear—drowning. Well this guy, Muhammad, he spoke all day. He spoke all night. Anything and everything, just let me avoid the waterboard. Because you see Mr. Muhammad here apparently had a problem with drowning. And that worked."
In 2013 news broke that the tea party favorite attended at least one Neo-Confederate event.
McDaniel is a favorite of outside conservative groups and has been endorsed by The Senate Conservatives Fund, FreedomWorks and The Madison Project. ____________
so Ytown, lets say i decide to give this guy the benefit of the doubt with his hop hop comment(lol) because he backtracked mid statement and said not just blacks.
you read the bottom of the article? i don't give a damn who you are, you attend Neo-Confederate events, chances are, you're probably racist.
even in the remote chance he isn't racist, you don't do that when you're running for a political office. he hung himself out to dry.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
In all honesty ...... what percentage of rap music glorifies violence, or degrades women?
I bet that it's higher than other forms of musical expression.
While it certainly has improved over the years, the early rap music scene was one of violence, especially gun violence, run wild, How many rap artists hav been shot and killed over the past decade?
Let's look first at rock stars. (and others associated with rock music)
Dolla May 18, 2009 21 Shot and Killed at Beverly Center shopping mall
Money Clip D November 27, 2011 34 Shot and killed
Creepyface September 2012 Shot and killed
L'A Capone September 26, 2013 17 Shot and killed
Lil Marc March 28, 2014 20 Shot and killed
OTF NuNu May 31, 2014 21 Shot and killed
Blood Money aka Big Glo April 9, 2014 Shot and killed
Seagram July 31, 1996 26 Shot and killed
Gangsta P May 2012 Shot and killed by Vallejo police department [34][better source needed]
Lil Snupe June 20, 2013 18 Shot and killed
Doe B December 28, 2013 22 Shot and killed
Stack Bundles June 11, 2007 24 Shot and killed
Soulja Slim November 26, 2003 26 Shot and killed
Mazaradi Fox February 11, 2014 42 Shot and killed
Splashy Roc May 16, 2014 20 Shot and killed
Hollywood Will May 15, 2014 25 Shot and killed
Monkey Black April 30, 2014 27 Stabbed to death
B-Brazy May 9, 2003 28 Shot and killed (gang related)
Peanut 2 aka KP Shot and killed (gang related)
Lil' Laniak 2 Shot and killed (gang related)
Tip Toe Shot and killed (gang related)
Big Hawk (Crenshaw Mafia Gang) Shot and killed (gang related)
O.G. Mad Eye Shot and killed (gang related)
Spyder aka S.P Shot and killed (gang related)
G-Spider 2003 Shot and killed (gang related)
Big Hawk (Screwed Up Click) May 1, 2006 36 Shot and killed
D-Drew (Screwed Up Click) October 29, 2008 Shot and killed
Pat Lemmon (Screwed Up Click) January 1, 1997 Killed by his wife
Treble Treb (Screwed Up Click) Shot while stealing a car
Fat Pat February 3, 1998 27 Shot and killed
G-Slimm October 13, 1996 20 Shot and killed
Big L February 15, 1999 24 Shot and killed
Bugz May 21, 1999 22 Shot and killed
Charizma December 16, 1993 20 Shot and killed in mugging
Hitman (RBL Posse) February 3, 2003 24 Shot and killed
There are probably 30 more on the list.
Yeah ..... rappers generally live far more violent lives than other musicians and musical artists. I would venture a guess, without looking at classical, country, and polka musicians, that no other genre even remotely comes close.
I do accept that rock music can be, and has been degrading to women and violent on occasion ....... but these are 2 major themes in rap music. How many rap songs contain the word "ho", the "B" word, (which I don't think is allowed here) or other terms that degrade and devalue women? How many talk about killing someone? Sure other genres have such songs, but in most cases, they are the rare exception. In rap, they seem to be a staple.
Rap has a long history of violence. Rap has a long history of violence, especially gun violence. How many rappers, that weren't killed.actually killed someone else? There's a decent list there too.
It's not disrespecting someone if you point out the truth. I was a red headed kid. There is no disrespect saying something that is a fact. Rap music has had far more violence than any other genre of music, and largely has more violent lyrics than other forms of music. It also disrespects women far more than most other forms of music. These things cannot be disputed by anyone with a modicum of sense and an ability to see. Stating something that is true, alone, does not make you racist.
As far as where he chose to speak ...... I probably would not have chosen that location, but in Mississippi, that is probably still a sizable portion of the population, and one that votes. As far as his comments about waterboarding .... I happen to agree, at least in principle. If I can get information that helps save lives, and the cost is discomfort, but no lasting harm to a terror suspect, then I can live with that.
Some of his comments may be uncomfortable for fans of hio hop ....... but they are accurate. there is a disproportionate amount of killings and violence in that part of the music industry ..... by a landslide .... and these artists are often heroes to young people, and set an example for them to follow, in life, and in their personal relationships. .
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: Some of his comments may be uncomfortable for fans of hio hop ....... but they are accurate
No, they're laughably inaccurate.
He's trying to blame a genre of music on the pitfalls of a society.
It would be like arguing that jazz music is responsible for drug addiction, because so many jazz artists were fueled by drugs and died at the hands of it.
He's making a false equivalency. Trying to put the fetus before the egg, so to speak.
As for:
Quote: "Name a redeeming quality of hip-hop. I want to know anything about hip-hop that has been good for this country. "
It's a form of expression that serves as a release for many, a lot of talented artists have risen out of terrible situations, and fulfilled The American Dream, and given back to the community, etc., etc.
Quote: In all honesty ...... what percentage of rap music glorifies violence, or degrades women?
I bet that it's higher than other forms of musical expression.
While it certainly has improved over the years, the early rap music scene was one of violence, especially gun violence, run wild, How many rap artists hav been shot and killed over the past decade?
Let's look first at rock stars. (and others associated with rock music)
Dolla May 18, 2009 21 Shot and Killed at Beverly Center shopping mall
Money Clip D November 27, 2011 34 Shot and killed
Creepyface September 2012 Shot and killed
L'A Capone September 26, 2013 17 Shot and killed
Lil Marc March 28, 2014 20 Shot and killed
OTF NuNu May 31, 2014 21 Shot and killed
Blood Money aka Big Glo April 9, 2014 Shot and killed
Seagram July 31, 1996 26 Shot and killed
Gangsta P May 2012 Shot and killed by Vallejo police department [34][better source needed]
Lil Snupe June 20, 2013 18 Shot and killed
Doe B December 28, 2013 22 Shot and killed
Stack Bundles June 11, 2007 24 Shot and killed
Soulja Slim November 26, 2003 26 Shot and killed
Mazaradi Fox February 11, 2014 42 Shot and killed
Splashy Roc May 16, 2014 20 Shot and killed
Hollywood Will May 15, 2014 25 Shot and killed
Monkey Black April 30, 2014 27 Stabbed to death
B-Brazy May 9, 2003 28 Shot and killed (gang related)
Peanut 2 aka KP Shot and killed (gang related)
Lil' Laniak 2 Shot and killed (gang related)
Tip Toe Shot and killed (gang related)
Big Hawk (Crenshaw Mafia Gang) Shot and killed (gang related)
O.G. Mad Eye Shot and killed (gang related)
Spyder aka S.P Shot and killed (gang related)
G-Spider 2003 Shot and killed (gang related)
Big Hawk (Screwed Up Click) May 1, 2006 36 Shot and killed
D-Drew (Screwed Up Click) October 29, 2008 Shot and killed
Pat Lemmon (Screwed Up Click) January 1, 1997 Killed by his wife
Treble Treb (Screwed Up Click) Shot while stealing a car
Fat Pat February 3, 1998 27 Shot and killed
G-Slimm October 13, 1996 20 Shot and killed
Big L February 15, 1999 24 Shot and killed
Bugz May 21, 1999 22 Shot and killed
Charizma December 16, 1993 20 Shot and killed in mugging
Hitman (RBL Posse) February 3, 2003 24 Shot and killed
There are probably 30 more on the list.
Yeah ..... rappers generally live far more violent lives than other musicians and musical artists. I would venture a guess, without looking at classical, country, and polka musicians, that no other genre even remotely comes close.
I do accept that rock music can be, and has been degrading to women and violent on occasion ....... but these are 2 major themes in rap music. How many rap songs contain the word "ho", the "B" word, (which I don't think is allowed here) or other terms that degrade and devalue women? How many talk about killing someone? Sure other genres have such songs, but in most cases, they are the rare exception. In rap, they seem to be a staple.
Rap has a long history of violence. Rap has a long history of violence, especially gun violence. How many rappers, that weren't killed.actually killed someone else? There's a decent list there too.
It's not disrespecting someone if you point out the truth. I was a red headed kid. There is no disrespect saying something that is a fact. Rap music has had far more violence than any other genre of music, and largely has more violent lyrics than other forms of music. It also disrespects women far more than most other forms of music. These things cannot be disputed by anyone with a modicum of sense and an ability to see. Stating something that is true, alone, does not make you racist.
As far as where he chose to speak ...... I probably would not have chosen that location, but in Mississippi, that is probably still a sizable portion of the population, and one that votes. As far as his comments about waterboarding .... I happen to agree, at least in principle. If I can get information that helps save lives, and the cost is discomfort, but no lasting harm to a terror suspect, then I can live with that.
Some of his comments may be uncomfortable for fans of hio hop ....... but they are accurate. there is a disproportionate amount of killings and violence in that part of the music industry ..... by a landslide .... and these artists are often heroes to young people, and set an example for them to follow, in life, and in their personal relationships. .
you're getting it twisted. seriously, which is why so many people don't want this guy in office, because they think just like you do, which for him being a politician, its just stupid.
violence is NOT a product of hip hop. its the other way around. violence in our community is an issue created by poverty, drugs, and social segretation from back in the day.
the "yea but" argument you're trying to pull off simply says nothing other than you have no idea how music in our country effects life. thats like blaming rock music for the reason we have so many white teenagers who cry and cut themselves because "parents don't understand me". or associately hill billies with the banjo. Music is a form of expression. Hip hop especially talks about the struggles of growing up poor, the crap that happens while in the hood, and finding a way out and finally enjoying life.
it be one thing if if this guy said the gun violence is destroying the black community. i can get behind that. be he didn't, he clearly expess that hip hop is the main cause of gun violence in this country. and you seriously believe that? so you think mexican drug cartels, red necks making met in trailers, or the suburban white guy in dread sellin drugs in the suburbs is all because of hip hop?
then you gonna turn around and defend the guy for doing an event with know racist?
if you're going to possibly defend this guy, who is saying the gun violence in our country is because of hip hop, then we seriously have nothing left to discuss.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Quote: Saying Hip Hop is a cause of gun violence is like saying that Country music is responsible for alcoholics.
"What if I looked at you in a microscope saw all the dirty organisms Living in your closet would I stop and would I pause it"
So .... kids don't mimic rap artists ....... dress like them ...... treat women like they say to ....... . try to live their lives in the style promoted by rap .....?
Bull. Rap music is a media form .... just like ultra violent video games .... and so on ..... which we also hear cause kids to become desensitized to violence. A great deal of rap music glamorizes violence, murder, and the perversely disrespectful treatment of women. To say that this constant barrage of a singular type message that many kids are constantly exposed to has no effect is ignoring human nature. The more we hear something vile, especially as common fare, the more desensitized we become. Force someone who throws up at the sight of a nose bleed to watch increasingly violent and bloody imagery and eventually they will almost laugh at a nosebleed. Their brain starts to categorize degrees of violence, and the lesser categories become nothing at all. Desensitizing, while generally used in the opposite direction, is used by psychiatrists every day, because it works.
I am not saying that rap is the only cause of many problems in minority communities, but ignoring the effect rap music has on many kids is like saying that the hammer has no effect on the nail. Well, it doesn't by itself ..... because until someone picks it up, aims, and swings, nothing happens ....... but the hammer is a strong contributing factor as to whether or not the nail holds anything together or not.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Rap music has been the most popular form of music in the suburbs for the past 15 years or so, so why do we not see gang violence, drug abuse, assault, and domestic battery crimes in the suburbs?
Quote: [so Ytown, lets say i decide to give this guy the benefit of the doubt with his hop hop comment(lol) because he backtracked mid statement and said not just blacks.
you read the bottom of the article? i don't give a damn who you are, you attend Neo-Confederate events, chances are, you're probably racist.
even in the remote chance he isn't racist, you don't do that when you're running for a political office. he hung himself out to dry.
The most racist thing in that whole article is the constant identifying of voters by their race. How are we ever going to have equality with an "establishment" that only sees " black voters", or " white voters".
At least recognize that the establishment is not trying to end racism at all, but rather perpetuate it.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Rap music brings out wonderful possibilities when working with today's youth. The amount of intelligence to make a fantastic beat, creative rhymes, and enthralling lyrics brings out the best of hip-hop. Blending hip-hop and poetry in the classroom makes ol' Willy Shakespeare even more relevant with today's generation. Not like you need to take my word for it or anything...
Wonderful examples of hip-hop that adds to the modern music collection (from all eras...):
The masters of bringing hip-hop to the masses. Archbolddawg praises them, too!
He's one of the many who got lost in the commercialization of "gangsta rap" of the 90s. KRS-One, along with boogie down productions, brought to light the struggle of those living in the places no one likes to talk about.
Even Mr. Mathers shows a ridiculous intelligence with his craft. A lot of his earlier material showed flashes of immaturity with homophobic slurs, derogatory comments towards women, but never used racial slurs. He's a master of flow and storytelling in a song.
Plus, what's more different between his earlier material and country music? The majority of country these days reeks of glorifying alcoholism, "the south will rise again!", and we're ignorant and proud of it.
Macklemore, started as an indie artist, hit it big with a song focused entirely on satire. Not many artist can do that these days.
Quote: Rap music has been the most popular form of music in the suburbs for the past 15 years or so, so why do we not see gang violence, drug abuse, assault, and domestic battery crimes in the suburbs?
As i said above ... it is not the only reason. In the suburbs, you are more likely to see stronger, 2 parent homes that enforce rules more strictly. Also, how many middle class to upper middle class kids do you see dress in the style of hip hop artists? How many speak in everyday conversation the language of rap? They compartmentalize that aspect of life better, and assign it a lower value in their overall lives. However, even in the middle class and above neighborhoods, we see the disintegration of families, the breakdown of morals in general, marriages that are lucky to last 5 years ...... and so on. Social norms have changed, and that does have an effect on people and their behaviors.How do social norms change? By accepting certain behaviors and language as acceptable.This is one example of that kind of force, and yes, it does have a stronger effect on certain parts of its audience than on others.
A great deal of rap is violent. More rap artists die from violence in almost any given year than all other genres combined in any 5 years. (or more) Much of the rap industry is rapt with thug mentalities, violence and mistreatment of women.To say that this is not the case is to be blind to their track record. We can debate the level of influence, but to say that it has no influence is foolish.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I thought this thread was about Republicans recruiting Democrat voters to decide who their candidate was, not the dumb or controversial statements the candidates made. Those statements would be fodder for the general election. If we're going to talk about things they said, how about Cochran visiting a small town and reminiscing about being there as a child and "doing all kinds of indecent things with animals"?
You're oversimplifying an incredibly complex issue, YTown.
Barely any of us on this board know what it's like to grow up in today's day and age. I'm probably one of the youngest on the board, too (DeepThreat is younger than me by a few, though). I'm positive 99.9% of us never grew up in an environment where the nation batted a blind eye to our neighborhoods, claimed the majority of those similar to us are no good thugs who sag their clothes, and say "it's just easy to pick up and push through" when they've seen nothing but broken promises their entire life.
Teach them, spend a lot of the day with them in a role as some sort of counselor/teacher, and then you'll scrape a tad of the surface of what those in such situations must deal with on a daily basis. Blaming rap for a lot of the problems completely misses the point.
I don't know if hip-hop culture is so much a cause of urban violence as a symptom of it, but its safe to say that its not helping anything. I do think we have a culture of violence in inner city, predominantly black neighborhoods - just look at black-on-black shootings in Chicago every weekend, over 450 murders in the first 4 months of 2014.
I don't like rap music at all. But Heavy Metal has some terrible themes, too. Death metal bands like Cannibal Corpse talk about eating people and doing worse things to dead bodies. A connection with Satanism. There's a huge tendency for rock musicians to get caught up in the needle and party like, well, rock stars. They have their groupies, and ho's too.
Open Primaries...stupid idea. This is Mississippi, we know which Party runs the show. They can only blame themselves, and perhaps gerrymander the heck out of the state to keep control. Worked in FL and NC.
I won't say that rap music or violent video games are the cause of anything. What I will say is that they promote and glamorize violence and in many cases a division among races and violence towards women. Not in all cases, but by many artists of the venue.
Poetry is not music and music is not poetry. Both are art forms, but they are two distinctly different art forms. So IMO, a little false advertising is included.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
92% of blacks voted for Obama. Obviously because of the color of his skin. Then add the 71% of Latinos to the vote because Democratic party panders to border runners. The presidency has be whitewashed into a pander fest instead of what's good for the country.
I think you see a correlation and see it as causation. I'm not going to lie that rap music isn't punk music, but the weight it carries, I believe, to be positive. Most people listen to it as a cathartic release instead of some indoctrination plan. Again, you wouldn't say country music turns someone into an alcoholic, right?
Quote: 92% of blacks voted for Obama. Obviously because of the color of his skin. Then add the 71% of Latinos to the vote because Democratic party panders to border runners. The presidency has be whitewashed into a pander fest instead of what's good for the country.
Wrong. Using made percentages will get you no where. I'm really trying to bite my tongue cause you and others are saying some on the fence racist crap right now the majority of blacks I highly doubt voted because he was black, and i know you can't prove otherwise. The fact that you referred to people who can't even vote in the first place, implying that the only reason Latinos voted for Obama was for immigration is yet another reason why republicans are laughed at even with Obama being president, because you right wingers are out of touch with reality. So while you might say the left caters to border jumps, I can turn around and say the right caters to racist.
Just like this guy did in regards to this thread.
I'm trying to be unbiased right now, but everyday on this board alone, shows me why the republicans have a very remote change of winning the presidency anytime soon. Cause it's turning out to be true.
Old white racist who want to control women's bodies, keep minorities from voting, and turn this country into a Christian state. And I KNOW the majority of conservatives are NOT like that.
The problem? The minority extremist have the loudest voice in congress and the media. And they are ruining it for you right wingers.
Keep it up.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Take off your liberal glasses for one second and read some truth. Then get back to your big government handout, tax and spend mentality.
How black, Latino and Asian American voters delivered Obama's victory
Exit polls are showing that overwhelming majorities of Latino and Asian American voters - more than 70 percent of each group - voted to re-elect President Barack Obama on Tuesday. Together with black voters, who reportedly supported Obama in even higher proportions, these voters of color are credited with carrying key states for Obama and ultimately assuring his victory over Republican challenger Mitt Romney.
Data so far has suggested that Latinos made up 10 percent of overall voters, a record number. At the same time, the non-Latino white percentage of the American electorate is on the decline. Does this election signal a tipping point in the influence of voters of color - or has that happened already?
Pollster Matt Barreto of the Latino Decisions firm has closely tracked the attitudes of Latino voters in the runup to the election. The firm has calculated that 75 percent of Latino voters - in the same range national exit polls have estimated so far - cast votes for Obama on Tuesday. The Pew Hispanic Center estimates from its exit poll analysis that Latinos voted 71 to 27 percent for Obama over Romney.
Here Barreto weighs in with the details of what occurred, what participation from more voters of color means for future elections, and what this bodes for the future of the Republican Party.
M-A: So what is the takeaway from Election Day 2012?
Barreto: We are finding very clear evidence of two thigns: One, that Latino voters voted at very high rates and that there was in fact a record turnout of Latinos across the United States, and secondly, that this was the highest ever vote for a Democrat among Latino voters.
We estimate that 75 percent of Latinos who voted voted for President Obama, that that this was very influential in key states. In states like Florida, certainly, and Nevada and Colorado, but also in states where Latinos are growing, like Virginia, that had a very close margin.
What the exit polls do is they release a number that they keep adjusting...they started at 69 percent (for Obama), then they went to 70, and now they are saying 71 percent of Latinos voted for Obama. We think that is a few points lower, but regardless, it is very clear that there was a huge Latino vote, and there was a huge Latino vote for the president.
M-A: What is the highest percentage of the Latino vote a presidential candidate has received in the past? And where does Romney's 24 percent place him in comparison with previous GOP candidates?
Barreto: Bill Clinton, in his 1996 reelection landslide, got 72 percent (of the Latino vote) against Bob Dole. The Dole election was low, but part of the issue, you have to remember, is that in both 1992 and 1996 you had Ross Perot in there. And he was polling not a huge percentage of Latinos, but it was maybe about 10 percent or so. And so combined, the Dole and Perot numbers were better than Romney's.
The numbers we saw for Romney were really among the worst numbers for a Republican candidate. And the most important point is that if you compare it to 2004 - that was only eight years ago - George W. Bush got 40 percent. Then it went down to 31 percent for McCain, then it went down to 24 for Romney. So that means consecutive years of losing seven points, eight points, of the Latino vote. I think that's the more worrisome trend for Republicans, because it wasn't so long ago that we got 40 percent.
M-A: How much of what occurred can we attribute to Obama's campaign strategy, including his recent turn on immigration policy? How much can we attribute it to the challenges that Republicans have faced connecting with Latinos, and with Romney's immigration stance and overall message to them?
Barreto: I think that it is an absolute combination of those. I think that the president had a very good strategy, and I think that in his outreach plan, his ground game, he had a lot of Latino volunteers. There were coordinators that were reaching out, and it was very effective.
I think that at the same time, you have to take into account his June 15 deferred action announcement. Until that that point, we were finding that there still was a Latino enthusiam gap. People were wondering what he was going to run on. And that announcement was greeted with unbelievable enthusiasm from Latinos, and that really generated what led to those high turnout numbers.
At the same time that was happening and Obama was starting to really get going, Romney continued to make errors, make ridiculous statements, say things that were at least wrong or offensive. And that all started in the Republican primaries. So I think we saw a combination of a good campaign on the Obama side coupled with a really poor campaign on the Romeny side, and that's what led to these record numbers.
M-A: What does so much voter enthusiasm from Latinos and voters of color, for a Democrat, hold for the future of the Republican Party?
Barreto: I think the data from Tuesday shows very clearly that the Republicans have a major problem on their hands. We've been taking about this for a long time, and a lot of other peopel have been talking about it. The data now confirms that.
Only 72 percent of voters were white. That is the lowest ever, and a lot of people, including people like Gallup and Rassmussen, were estimating 75 or 76 percent white in their pre-election polls. And there was not only was not only this increase in the Latino vote, but black voter turnout was again at record levels. The Asian American vote was huge. The exit polls reported that Asians were also over 70 percent for Obama, which would be the highest ever for the Asian vote. National numbers suggested 73 percent, that that Asians were three percent of the electorate.
So there's this combination: The Asian vote is high, and each year it is going to add another percent. The Latino vote is growing fast. And as long as the African American vote continues to turn out at high rates, in that next election in 2016, it may be down to like 69 percent white voters. At that point, if they don't make increases among blacks and Latinos and Asians, then the Republican Party is not going to win another national election.
M-A: What can the party do in response to turn this around?
Barreto: They need to find new candidates that are willing to build coalitions. They need to do significant outreach to Hispanics, but also to blacks. I mean, they can't concede 98 percent of the black vote. They need to get that back up into the high teens.
And they need to make major inroads with Asian Americans, as Asian Americans as a percentage are the fastest-growing. They can't concede those votes. If you have these groups that get into that 70 percent-plus range consistently, it will mathematically not be possible for them to win again. They need to bring the Latino and Asian numbers down into the low 60s, and they need to bring the black numbers down into the 80s.
Every year they will have to win more minorities, because the electorate gets more minority every year. So you can't create a static number, like that you've got to win 38 percent of the Latino vote or something, because every year that number goes up for Republicans. At some point, when Latinos are 51 percent of the electorate, you've got to win more votes.
M-A: So how much credit should be given to voters of color for Obama's victory?
Barreto: The minority vote was decisive for Obama in about nine states, where we found that the number of minority voters outnumbered by far the margin of victory for Obama. You start with the four states that are the most obvious: Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico and Florida. These are states where Latino voters probably by themselves swung the election to Obama. Just in those four states, that's 49 electoral college votes.
Then you have Virginia, which has a large black electorate, and a growing Asian electorate. Then you add Ohio. There is no question that the results in Ohio were a result of the black vote coming out in high numbers, and the Latino vote is growing in Ohio. So those two states, absolutely. Then there are other states that Obama won, I would say, more comfortably: Michigan,Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. They have huge black populations, and also, Pennsylvania has a very large Latino population, and Latinos are growing in Michigan and Wisconsin. The minority vote overall in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by itself delivered those states to Obama.
You add all those states up together and you have like 126 electoral college votes. So there is no doubt that those nine states will continue to be under the microscope. The Republicans can’t afford to lose those 126 electoral college votes; they are already giving up the entire West Coast. It would be extremely difficult for them to win any future elections.
M-A: Can it be said that we hit a tipping point this year with regard to voters of color and their political clout?
Barreto: People have been asking me that a long time, and I would say the tipping point was in 2008. 2004 was the last election that the Republicans could win. Maybe it was even 2000, but 2004 was the year that Bush won the 40 percent of the Hispanic vote. But in 2008, they did awful. They did terribly among blacks and Hispanics. And in 2012, in an election that was potentially winnable, with a president who was facing poor ratings on the economy, they did awful among minorities, and they lost it. So I think that is already in the rear view mirror.
Like I said , it was 72 percent white voters this year. Then it's going to be 69, then it’s going to be 66, and that point, they are doomed. 2016 is going to be way harder for (Republicans) to win if they don’t significantly change their minority outreach. They have to do it with all three groups. They can’t do it only by increasing the Latino vote. It won’t be enough. http://www.scpr.org/blogs/multiamerican/...ctory-maybe-so/
Quote: At the same time that was happening and Obama was starting to really get going, Romney continued to make errors, make ridiculous statements, say things that were at least wrong or offensive. And that all started in the Republican primaries. So I think we saw a combination of a good campaign on the Obama side coupled with a really poor campaign on the Romeny side, and that's what led to these record numbers.
Simply not offending people alone would probably have been enough to swing the election. You can try to pinpoint this to one factor if you wish, but even your own source shows that's not accurate.
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Quote: No not at all, I pointed out a fact to you, 92% of blacks voted for Obama, your the one trying to spin it.
Because you are spinning it. CHS brought up the point that Herman Cain is black and he didn't win anything, yet you decided not to comment on that.
You trying to use the color of his skin for the main reason he got voted by blacks, yet keep leaving out the fact that the republicans had screwed up so much that it almost didn't matter WHO was running on the democratic side, they was gonna get voted in, ESPECIALLY when palin started opening her mouth. You also don't want to bring up the fact he got the majority of women votes.
And you also like to ignore the fact that Obama got the majority of white votes, ya know, the people who vote the most in this country. But keep trying.
Quote: No not at all, I pointed out a fact to you, 92% of blacks voted for Obama, your the one trying to spin it.
So what?? A huge percentage of blacks vote Dem all the time, so your statement that 92% voted for him because he was black was ignorant, stupid, and racist. You must be a Tea Partier.
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