Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes
The vast majority of 50,000 unaccompanied youths and children who have illegally crossed the Texas border during the last few months have been successfully delivered by federal agencies to their relatives living in the United States, according to a New York Times article.
A second New York Times article report revealed that officials have caught an additional 240,000 Central American migrants since April, and are transporting many of them to their destinations throughout the United States.
The 290,000 illegals — so far — are exploiting legal loopholes that allow them to get temporary permits to stay in the United States.
Experts say that President Barack Obama’s administration has failed to close the loopholes and is unlikely to deport more than a small percentage of the illegals, despite the high unemployment rates among American Latino, African-American and white youths, and the strapped budgets of many cities and towns.
The president’s policy has caused protests by frightened citizens in towns such as Murrieta. But Obama’s allies — such as La Raza, an ethnic lobby for Latinos — are eager to escalate the conflict and to paint the protestors as racists. Those protests may escalate before the November elections.
The Central American parents of the 50,000 youths and children are using a 2008 law to ensure their children are transported to them for free by a relay of border patrol and Department of Health and Human Services officials. The youths are delivered to the border patrol by smugglers, dubbed coyotes, in exchange for several thousand dollars.
Half of the 50,000 Central American youths were delivered by taxpayer-funded employees directly to their parents now living in the United States, and another third were delivered to people who said they were close relatives, said the July 3 article.
That new data was included in the 19th paragraph of a 20-paragraph July 3 article.
Top immigration officials choose to not check if the relatives or parents who pick up the children are in the country legally.
Both New York Times articles described the border-crossing illegal aliens as “immigrants.” In fact, “immigrants” is the term for people who legally migrate into the United States.
The 240,000 strong-group largely consists of many mothers and young children, most of whom are now being flown and bussed to destinations near where they wish to settle. That new 240,000 number was included in the seventh paragraph of a 24-paragraph article.
Few of the illegal immigrants are high-school graduates, or have skills that would allow them to earn more than they cost to federal, state and local taxpayers.
Officials have not said where they’ve delivered the adults or youth illegals, but pro-American activists are keeping track of some locations, including San Diego, Calif.
Officials have defended the administration’s catch-and-release policy, which critics say is inviting more Central Americans to cross the border in the hope of being arrested by the border patrol.
“When you have a noncriminal [border-crossing ] mother, they are going to be released,” David Jennings, the head of the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency in southern California. “The most humane way to deal with this is to find out where they are going and get them there,” he said at a town meeting held in Murrieta, Calif., according to the New York Times.
White House begs Congress to allow fast-track deportation of illegal immigrant children and claims most will NOT be allowed to stay
President Barack Obama's chief spokesman said Monday that most on the tens of thousands of unaccompanied illegal immigrant children crossing the U.S.-Mexico border are unlikely to qualify for humanitarian relief that would prevent them from being sent back from their home countries.
The pointed warning came as the White House prepared to send a funding request to Congress detailing the additional money Obama wants to spend hiring more immigration judges and opening new detention facilities to deal with the border crisis.
White House officials told the Associated Press that they planned to ask Congress for more than $2 billion on Tuesday.
White House spokesman Josh Earnest said the administration also wants lawmakers to give it the legal authority to sidestep a 2008 law requiring a careful evaluation of each child before deportation proceedings can begin.
That law, passed by a Democrat-controlled Congress, was meant to provide protection for children brought into the U.S. as part of human trafficking schemes, mostly related to the illicit sex trade.
In the absence of a move on Capitol Hill, the federal government has no choice but to treat the deluge of children arriving from Central American countries the same way.
That process can take weeks or months and tie up resources – including U.S. Border Patrol agents – making the border even more porous.
Complicating the situation is a new set of data released last week by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, showing that the Obama administration has deeply curtailed efforts to deport minors or turn them away at the border.
In 2008, the last year of the Bush administration, 8,143 such children were prevented from staying in the U.S. In 2013 that number was just 1,669.
Earnest told reporters on Monday that that while the administration will allow the required immigration review process to unfold, officials so far don't expect many of the children arriving at the border to be able to stay in the U.S.
'It's unlikely that most of these kids will qualify for humanitarian relief,' Earnest said. 'It means they will not have a legal basis for remaining in this country and will be returned.'
Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson acknowledged Sunday on the NBC show 'Meet the Press' that it could take a long time for those deportations to begin.
'Our border is not open to illegal migration, and we are taking a number of steps to address it, including turning people around faster,' Johnson said.
But 'we need to find more efficient, effective ways to turn this tide around generally,' he said, 'and we've already begun to do that.'
Johnson acknowledged that the unaccompanied children, some 9,700 taken into custody in May alone, pose a vexing problem.
Most of the children are from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. The White House is asking Congress for the authority to fast-track deportations to those three countries in particular.
While the Obama administration claims spikes in violence and poverty have prompted parents there to send their children on difficult and dangerous journeys north, Republicans contend that Obama's own 2012 immigration policy shift is to blame.
That summer the president held a Rose Garden press conference to announce one of many 'executive actions,' a move to delay for two years the deportation of U.S. residents brought to the U.S. illegally as children.
This year the White House extended that delay for another two years. As word of a new leniency filtered southward, aided by opportunistic traffickers, the current flood of children crossing the Rio Grande river into Texas, and evading border patrols in Arizona and New Mexico.
Johnson said the U.S. government is trying to send the message that all people who enter the country illegally will face deportation proceedings eventually.
But in Central America, he said, 'the criminal smuggling organizations are putting out a lot of disinformation about supposed free passes into this country' that will expire soon.
The resulting onslaught has overwhelmed federal agencies. When 140 would-be immigrants – mostly mothers with children – were flown to southern California to ease an overcrowded Texas facility, angry residents of Murrieta, California, greeted the bus as it pulled into town, complaining that they were being saddled with more than their share.
'This is a failure of diplomacy. It is a failure of leadership from the administration," Texas Gov. Rick Perry said Sunday on ABC's 'This Week.'
Rep. Henry Cuellar, a Texas Democrat, crossed party lines Sunday on CNN's 'State of the Union' to complain that the White House 'is one step behind' a foreseeable crisis since numbers of children coming from Central America without adults has been rising dramatically since 2012.
Unaccompanied Central American children generally are being released to relatives already in the United States. Mothers with their children often are released with a summons to appear later in immigration court.
Meanwhile, word of seemingly successful border crossings reaches their home countries, encouraging others to try.
South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said Sunday on the CBS 'Face the Nation' program that children entering the country illegally must be sent home.
If not, he said, 'you're going to incentivize people throughout that part of the world to keep sending their children here.'
Graham also said foreign aid should be cut off to countries that don't do more to discourage illegal immigration to the United States.
Isn't this just grand...and we wonder why Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and State and Local social service programs are broke and we can't fund our schools or handle out debts.....
Unfortunately, the laws in place dictate that's the way it works. Hopefully, the White House will get its way with changes that will make this a faster and more efficient process.
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Quote: Unfortunately, the laws in place dictate that's the way it works. Hopefully, the White House will get its way with changes that will make this a faster and more efficient process.
I believe the law dictates they be sent back home. We have a president who believes he's above the law, and that he can create laws without Congress. It's my understanding from studying history that we fought to not have that system of government at one time.
Quote: Unfortunately, the laws in place dictate that's the way it works. Hopefully, the White House will get its way with changes that will make this a faster and more efficient process.
I believe the law dictates they be sent back home. We have a president who believes he's above the law, and that he can create laws without Congress. It's my understanding from studying history that we fought to not have that system of government at one time.
Doesn't the second article say that the White House is pressing to deport people that have used the loophole? And White House means President no?
They passed a law to attempt to stop something bad (child exploitation) and screwed up. Fault of government in general and given the state of government in the US, it doesn;t surprise me much that they failed to close the loophole soon enough.
Quote: Doesn't the second article say that the White House is pressing to deport people that have used the loophole? And White House means President no?
They passed a law to attempt to stop something bad (child exploitation) and screwed up. Fault of government in general and given the state of government in the US, it doesn;t surprise me much that they failed to close the loophole soon enough.
Unfortunately like our current government, I am unsure of what the immigration law currently states. I guess I'll have to look it up when I have time. We need to close the border. God only knows who is currently coming in, and what diseases they might be carrying.
Quote: Unfortunately, the laws in place dictate that's the way it works. Hopefully, the White House will get its way with changes that will make this a faster and more efficient process.
I believe the law dictates they be sent back home. We have a president who believes he's above the law, and that he can create laws without Congress. It's my understanding from studying history that we fought to not have that system of government at one time.
Since when do Laws and Immigration have anything to do with each other??
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Are there any other countries in the world that would tolerate this? Serious question. I can't think of any, including the one where most of them are coming from.
Quote: Doesn't the second article say that the White House is pressing to deport people that have used the loophole? And White House means President no?
They passed a law to attempt to stop something bad (child exploitation) and screwed up. Fault of government in general and given the state of government in the US, it doesn;t surprise me much that they failed to close the loophole soon enough.
That's exactly what it says.
I believe having a secure border would help prevent this the most. Bush at least was attempting to put a band aid on a bullet wound with a border fence that secured a part of that border, but not nearly all of it. It was a token move to make it seem as though he was trying to stem the tide of illegals.
In actuality during the Obama administration, far more illegals have been deported than during the Bush administration.
I don't believe either side is actually trying to address the problem. One side gains votes and the other side gains from cheaper labor. It's a win/win for them. Anyone can look on construction sites and see this.
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Barry and his henchmen don't comply with many laws he is sworn to uphold and protect.
Pot is a controlled substance under federal law, yet they fail to enforce laws they are sworn to uphold and protect in the states who decided it was legal.
By his and Holders reasoning, if Mississippi decided to institue a poll tax again, all would be cool. You want to vote, pay the $100 tax.....we need the money to pay for your free stuff.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
As much as I want to see the border secured, it will only be done by boots on the ground, not a fence.
A fence will help, but we really need boots on the ground in large numbers. There are so many tunnels going back and forth, sometimes for hundreds of feet, with tracks and facilities on both sides to cover entrance and exit.
One solution alone will not end the problem. Boots on the ground, along with a fence, and maybe even drones with radar ability to find open spaces under the ground, like the planes I have heard of being being used in Egypt to find ancient cities and developments buried under tons of sand.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: Doesn't the second article say that the White House is pressing to deport people that have used the loophole? And White House means President no?
They passed a law to attempt to stop something bad (child exploitation) and screwed up. Fault of government in general and given the state of government in the US, it doesn't surprise me much that they failed to close the loophole soon enough.
That's the problem with government, they often make bigger problems when they try to legislate to solve other problems.
Most of the laws we write today are already covered in our other laws, but rather than clarify those, they write new ones.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
Quote: In actuality during the Obama administration, far more illegals have been deported than during the Bush administration.
How many illegals have entered the country under the Obama administration?
The misleading statistic of 'illegals deported' is meaningless without the number who successfully got in.
Obama's executive action signaled a free for all in those wishing to come here for the free ride. He brought this on himself...and IMO, he did so on purpose knowing exactly what would happen.
I say if your here illegally then you just get shot for espionage. This mass illegal immigration is flat out damaging our country and draining its resources. It's a deliberate action and needs to be punished. No other desirable country puts up with this.
They also need to change the law to where you have to have American parents to gain citizenship from being born here. So many pregnant women come here legally and illegally to give birth to babies so they are magically american and then once they are born use them to gain their own citizenship by relation. Change just this one law and 80% of illegal immigration will stop.
Stop all federal and state aid to illegals. There goes another 15%.
Let those aiding illegal immigrants or hiring them be banned from the united states forever. Let them lose all property and assets too. The crap real stop REAL fast.
Most importantly make it much easier to immigrate LEGALLY. Got a degree? Can you pass an English proficiency test? No criminal record? Got a job lined up? Getting married to a citizen? Great welcome to the USA. You get a 10 year visa. During that time you can receive no government assistance and commit zero crimes. At the end of those ten years you get citizenship if your gainfully employed,no criminal record, and pass your citizen test which includes reading and writing English. St the time the parent then gains citizenship so does their children. If not then too bad its time for you to go back to your own country.
Being a citizen of the USA is a privilege not a handout. Those we allow to immigrate should make our country better for having them not to be a burden and not to undermine our values or our workforce.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Here , here ... Problem is the younger brain washed generations are going to pay one hell of a price when all is said and done .... .. When I was a young man ( when the wheel was fist invented ) there was a saying " Excuses are are like a-- ho--s , everyone has one " There was no " my dog ate my home work " , no excuse for bad manners , no excuse at work , no excuse for breaking the law ( whether you liked or not ) .. .. Today the whole Country revolves around Excuses ! Always , Always , Always , someone else s fault .. Don't fix the blame , fix the problem ! .. Dam useless society
Quote: In actuality during the Obama administration, far more illegals have been deported than during the Bush administration.
How many illegals have entered the country under the Obama administration?
The misleading statistic of 'illegals deported' is meaningless without the number who successfully got in.
Obama's executive action signaled a free for all in those wishing to come here for the free ride. He brought this on himself...and IMO, he did so on purpose knowing exactly what would happen.
I'm still trying to search the number of illegals entered so far. But if those graphs are any indication, it's not even close. This recent surge isn't the norm.
What's crazy as we'll is that the highest number of deportation in one year is in 2000, under the Clinton administration.
I just find it funny that people who never been on the other side are trying to find ways to close the border. Yea, it's a problem. Yet when I start telling people the only way to secure the border is to put a wall around the entire country with armed guards, none of you are gonna be fore it.
Ya know, no more going to the beach and all that, without being searched and asking for documentation.
And this discussion is also one sided. Everybody wants to talk about Latinos being illegal, yet when I mentioned in another thread about Europeans immigrants being illegal here as well, nobody even responded.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Quote: Everybody wants to talk about Latinos being illegal, yet when I mentioned in another thread about Europeans immigrants being illegal here as well, nobody even responded.
Most Europeans here illegally came through customs then overstayed their "vacation". I would think we know they are here and a half-hearted attempt to find them is always present. Must like the illegal Latinos that come here. Once here they pretty much go on uninterrupted until they do something that get's authorities attention. Not to mention they aren't coming in the numbers that the others are.
But then we have the whole stereo-typing issue. How do you confirm a illegal immigrants citizenship without asking for ID? How do you determine who you ask?
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We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
Quote: Everybody wants to talk about Latinos being illegal, yet when I mentioned in another thread about Europeans immigrants being illegal here as well, nobody even responded.
Most Europeans here illegally came through customs then overstayed their "vacation". I would think we know they are here and a half-hearted attempt to find them is always present. Must like the illegal Latinos that come here. Once here they pretty much go on uninterrupted until they do something that get's authorities attention. Not to mention they aren't coming in the numbers that the others are.
But then we have the whole stereo-typing issue. How do you confirm a illegal immigrants citizenship without asking for ID? How do you determine who you ask?
It doesn't matter if they aren't coming here in the numbers others are. If you guys are so much about border security and illegals, then we need to be taking every enteric group seriously. Cause we damn sure do when it comes to Mexicans.
And the stereotyping is another issue.
Have you ever been to Puerto Rico or Dominic republic?
I know PR is US territory, but they are Hispanic and are similar skin tone.
PR ranged from Ethiopian dark to blonde haired blue eyed people speaking nothing but Spanish. Same ion Dominican and most likely Cuba. I don't know what part of Florida you are from, but I imagine you see that everyday if you was in Miami.
It's a problem, because most of us will rage if we get searched and asked for documentation. I know I would. I wouldn't care what the reason is.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Quote: Everybody wants to talk about Latinos being illegal, yet when I mentioned in another thread about Europeans immigrants being illegal here as well, nobody even responded.
Most Europeans here illegally came through customs then overstayed their "vacation". I would think we know they are here and a half-hearted attempt to find them is always present. Must like the illegal Latinos that come here. Once here they pretty much go on uninterrupted until they do something that get's authorities attention. Not to mention they aren't coming in the numbers that the others are.
But then we have the whole stereo-typing issue. How do you confirm a illegal immigrants citizenship without asking for ID? How do you determine who you ask?
It doesn't matter if they aren't coming here in the numbers others are. If you guys are so much about border security and illegals, then we need to be taking every enteric group seriously. Cause we damn sure do when it comes to Mexicans.
And the stereotyping is another issue.
Have you ever been to Puerto Rico or Dominic republic?
I know PR is US territory, but they are Hispanic and are similar skin tone.
PR ranged from Ethiopian dark to blonde haired blue eyed people speaking nothing but Spanish. Same ion Dominican and most likely Cuba. I don't know what part of Florida you are from, but I imagine you see that everyday if you was in Miami.
It's a problem, because most of us will rage if we get searched and asked for documentation. I know I would. I wouldn't care what the reason is.
I said, "I would think we know they are here and a half-hearted attempt to find them is always present. Must like the illegal Latinos that come here."
ICE isn't exactly busting down doors everywhere tracking down Latinos anymore than they are other illegals. Much of the hoopla is based on them smuggling across the border, where we can catch them in the process.
As I said, the Europeans aren't sneaking in, they come in legally with passports, then just never leave. I'm sure there may be exceptions but because there is 3000 miles of ocean between us and Europe I don't think we see many 57 Fords floating across to New England beaches.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
There should be consequences for violating the laws of the country. The fact is, right now, there are no consequences for violating them. It doesn't matter if you're an illegal coming to this country or one of those in this country supporting them or encouraging them to come here.
When an some business or farmer hires one, there aren't any consequences for doing it. When a church or state/municipality gives them 'sanctuary' from prosecution, then the law doesn't come down on them. The church doesn't see any consequences. A state/municipality doesn't have funds lost or withheld for giving them sanctuary. States that provide them funds or pass laws providing them special status do not feel any sanction from the federal government. They're actually given more attention.
Quote: There should be consequences for violating the laws of the country. The fact is, right now, there are no consequences for violating them. It doesn't matter if you're an illegal coming to this country or one of those in this country supporting them or encouraging them to come here.
When an some business or farmer hires one, there aren't any consequences for doing it. When a church or state/municipality gives them 'sanctuary' from prosecution, then the law doesn't come down on them. The church doesn't see any consequences. A state/municipality doesn't have funds lost or withheld for giving them sanctuary. States that provide them funds or pass laws providing them special status do not feel any sanction from the federal government. They're actually given more attention.
Because it's not simple to just fine people bro
Hell, those farmers depend on illegals to do the job, because I don't see that many Americans lining up to pick fields, do you?
It's a real complex problem.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Quote: It's a problem, because most of us will rage if we get searched and asked for documentation. I know I would. I wouldn't care what the reason is.
So would I if I was just stopped on the street.. so start with the very obvious places, like to open a bank account, to register to vote, to get a drivers license, to sign up for government assistance... There are things we can do to make it significantly more difficult to live here illegally and we aren't even doing the simple things.
Quote: Because it's not simple to just fine people bro
Actually, it is. It's very simple. Often, a simple letter can be mailed out.
Quote: Hell, those farmers depend on illegals to do the job, because I don't see that many Americans lining up to pick fields, do you?
It's a real complex problem.
It's not complex at all. Americans did the job for generations and much of this is automated anyway. As a kid in rural West Texas, many children (including many white kids) were hired to pick crops in the fields. You don't have to pay exorbitant wages for the job.
Let me ask you, have you ever picked a crop in a field? I have. If Americans won't get out to do the job, they shouldn't get fed either from the labor of others (ie, welfare).
Quote: Because it's not simple to just fine people bro
Actually, it is. It's very simple. Often, a simple letter can be mailed out.
Quote: Hell, those farmers depend on illegals to do the job, because I don't see that many Americans lining up to pick fields, do you?
It's a real complex problem.
It's not complex at all. Americans did the job for generations and much of this is automated anyway. As a kid in rural West Texas, many children (including many white kids) were hired to pick crops in the fields. You don't have to pay exorbitant wages for the job.
Let me ask you, have you ever picked a crop in a field? I have. If Americans won't get out to do the job, they shouldn't get fed either from the labor of others (ie, welfare).
And there's nothing wrong with having a migrant worker program.
It would fill a need for us, and probably be better for them due to regulations protecting them from deplorable conditions.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
Quote: How many illegals have entered the country under the Obama administration?
The misleading statistic of 'illegals deported' is meaningless without the number who successfully got in.
Obama's executive action signaled a free for all in those wishing to come here for the free ride. He brought this on himself...and IMO, he did so on purpose knowing exactly what would happen.
What you seem to wish to do here, is ignore that it has been a problem on the rise for decades now. Clinton deported them because it was a problem then. Bush built the fence because it was a problem then. Obama is looking to repeal some laws and get more funds to help stem the problem now.
Don't make it sound like an Obama issue when it's been a huge issue for a very long time. Neither the GOP or Dems have actually made it a huge priority to solve it because they both stand to gain something for it to continue.
Cheap labor on one side and votes on the other side. It's a win win for the politicians to sound strong while doing little. Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton, Obama.......None of them have seriously addressed the issue.
So you go ahead and make it "an Obama Thing". Most fully understand nothing could be further from the truth.
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Quote: It's a win win for the politicians to sound strong while doing little. Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton, Obama.......None of them have seriously addressed the issue.
Quote: It's a win win for the politicians to sound strong while doing little. Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton, Obama.......None of them have seriously addressed the issue.
Reagan did.. he gave them amnesty.
Reagan gave them amnesty for the promise of a secured border. That promise was never kept. I'd like to get Israeli contractors over to build a fence.
Quote: It's a win win for the politicians to sound strong while doing little. Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton, Obama.......None of them have seriously addressed the issue.
Reagan did.. he gave them amnesty.
Reagan gave them amnesty for the promise of a secured border. That promise was never kept. I'd like to get Israeli contractors over to build a fence.
and the Mexicans will simply build more tunnels.
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Quote: and the Mexicans will simply build more tunnels.
Then plant the fence 20-30 feet in the ground, build it out of concrete and steel, put seismic sensors every few hundred yards, and electrify the top. Use double or triple fencing. The Israelis have had success, and so have the Irish in Belfast.
Quote: and the Mexicans will simply build more tunnels.
Then plant the fence 20-30 feet in the ground, build it out of concrete and steel, put seismic sensors every few hundred yards, and electrify the top. Use double or triple fencing. The Israelis have had success, and so have the Irish in Belfast.
You would find no shortage of American companies flying them over.
Quote: and the Mexicans will simply build more tunnels.
Then plant the fence 20-30 feet in the ground, build it out of concrete and steel, put seismic sensors every few hundred yards, and electrify the top. Use double or triple fencing. The Israelis have had success, and so have the Irish in Belfast.
They are just fighting idealists and martyrs...... we're fighting something with economic backing.
If we put the wall down 30 feet, they'll tunnel to 50, etc.... it's an insane escalation into attrition that we'll lose because we have to cover the 1300 or so miles of the border. They simply have to pick one new spot and try again.
It's simply not realistic.
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