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I'm watching and AB's hustle is there, still looks like he's trying a bit too hard. Like he's almost too wild.
Since you guys follow all the chatter on Twitter, have there been anymore rumors on a possible KL trade?
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The word is that Minny stance is if Cle wants Love, they want Wiggins..
And the Cavs have said multiple times he's not going anywhere.
Minnesota is on borrowed time. They can only take a hard stance until the trade deadline, after that they literally may get nothing for him...
The price will come down.. And if he's not traded here, or say GS, I think he's a FA and we make room for him..
While wed love to win the chip this year, I think they are actually going to build a team as much as they can..
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Kinda like the Browns do in preseason? 
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Are these summer league games being televised on a certain channel? I'd like to watch them. Don't see them on STO or FSO.
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Kinda like the Browns do in preseason?
It's a little better as it just shows off our youth talent as only first and second year players can play. We just have a great summer team this year and Delly hasn't even exploded yet.
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I haven't watched tonight, but I have watched some of the highlights. Noel had 3 blocks ...... and got blocked in turn by Wiggins. lol In the 1st 2 games, my impressions are as follow: Bennett looks immensely better. He has played hard, He still does seem to get winded, but he has played 30+ in the 3 games so far, (and the one game was reported to be very hot in the gym) and has played the most minutes of any of the Cavaliers in 2 of the 3 games. I am encouraged by what I see so far. he appears capable of knocking down the outside shot, even the 3 ..... and should get plenty of open looks with Irving and Lebron driving and dishing. Wiggins is an athletic freak. He also appears to have a deadly step back jumper. He is unnaturally quick, and can stop and go faster than can be described. The nice thing is that he is miles ahead on defense, and appears likely to be ready to guard an NBA position by the time the season starts. He needs to get off the 3 point line though. I don't know if Blatt is putting him there to see if he can shoot the 3 or what ..... but right now he cannot. Delli is Delli. What a marvelous find from last year's Summer league. I think that he is the main reason Jack was traded away. (besides, obviously, creating cap space) He can hit a jumper, and understands how to get his teammates involved. Obviously he's not a starter, but he is a high quality backup, and a guy who is determined on the court. He really seems to understand the game, and is able to correct his teammates like a coach on the court. I like him quite a bit, especially as the leader of the backup group. As far as our bigs ....... Cooley looks like a guy who could help. He sets a solid pick, and has decent range. He seems to be a decent defender, and can move a bit. He also has experience from playing overseas. Given our last of front line players, it seems like we could have one or 2 young bigs make the team ....... and I just can't see Kirk making it. Kirk looks painful when he runs down the court. Look up "lumbering" in the dictionary, and there's Kirk, Man, it is painful watching him "run" the floor. lol I might be able to beat him in a foot race, even with my back as bad as it is. Kirk's +/- tonight was -14. That seems like what I have seen out of him so far. I forgot about the kid we traded for. Dwight Powell played a couple of minutes, but that's it. He's a big kid though, and almost 7'. He is supposed to have a solid face up fame, a decent jumper, and is supposed to be fairly athletic. I am intrigued enough to keep a serious eye on him. We seem to have a player in each game who explodes into an interesting guy. Cherry yesterday seemed like he hit everything. Tonight it was Shane Edwards with 15 points and 11 boards. Edwards has no chance of making this team though. (unless Wiggins is traded) Realistically, we could, and probably will, see only Wiggins, Bennett, and Dellavedova make the team. Powell or Cooley might have a chance to sneak onto the roster.We seem to want to find experienced bigs, but those are starting to dwindle. Miami just gave Chris Andersen $5 million/year. There is no way we could have done that. I suspect that the market will have to settle a bit more, so we can find some veteran bargains. Ray Allen has said repeatedly that he will probably retire. Who knows. We have a trade exception from trading Gee, so we have $3 million there that we can use. However, the reality is that we are going to shop in the bargain bin for pieces to fit from here out. (this year, anyway)
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Wiggings had a great 360-spin out of a double team that he followed up with a dunk in today's game. Seeing glimpses of Canadian-Lebron here.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/DSlbYSjW0wg
I saw that. Did you see his in-game spin move followed by a 2 hand dunk? Very nice move.
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Anthony Bennett Highlights against Philly AB showed a pretty complete game against KING
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Not sure if anyone has seen the Andrew Wiggins dunk during warmups before a game at the NBA summer league.
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I saw that. Did you see his in-game spin move followed by a 2 hand dunk? Very nice move.
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Wow. He looked really good in those highlights.
How did he look in summer league last year?
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How did he look in summer league last year?
He didn't play in summer league, he was rehabbing a shoulder injury
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That's what people don't remember. He was just off a injury...nothing stacked in his favor to have a good season last year.
Now he has a year under the belt, his health is good. He's eager to shut some people up.
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Is Nerlens Noel the best rookie at Summer League? Very possibly.
LAS VEGAS — The box score says Nerlens Noel had four blocks Monday night against the Cavaliers.
That doesn’t do his game justice.
His length and leaping ability make him an intimidating force in the paint. The guys on the Sixers bench were counting the number of shots Noel altered and said it got into double digits before they lost track.
“When the guards start being a little more timid on their drives and they start shooting a lot more floaters then I know I’m the reason,” Noel said.
It wasn’t the only thing Noel did well in his Vegas debut. He is hard to keep off the glass. He plays with more physicality than you would expect — he’s thin but will push and not back down (he doesn’t have the base to push around the strongest in the NBA, but he’s not a lightweight either). He chipped in a dozen points.
Still, it was the defense that gets your attention — at one point he sent an Anthony Bennett shot flying with a “Whose you’re No. 1 pick now?” intent.
Call it the “Blake Griffin effect” if you want, but Noel looks like the best player in Las Vegas. He’s a guy Sixers fans — and Michael Carter Williams (his old AAU teammate) — are going to love. Even if there is still plenty of raw there.
“He’s active, he’s all over the place,” Sixers Summer League coach Chad Iske said. “He’s trying to do everything, he’s trying to do too much on both ends. The hard part is do you want to just settle him down or do you want him to play with that aggressiveness? I don’t want to give him too much and cloud him, and then he’s thinking instead of playing. I think we just have to get out there and find the happy balance between him being within our rules and him being himself.”
Noel had been talked about as a likely No. 1 pick in 2013 until he blew out his ACL. Noel fell and became the No. 6 pick of the New Orleans Pelicans but was traded to the Sixers on draft night in 2013. Coming off an ACL surgery, the Sixers sat him for an entire season.
“I was very anxious to get back, even at the end of last season I was itching to get back, I felt great,” Noel said.
“I think he’s so excited to be out there and running around, you see a couple times late he gets a couple cheap fouls because he just impatient to play. But we’re excited about it,” Iske added.
Noel gets his offensive points right now mostly through hustle, although he showed a couple post moves and he knocked down an 18-footer Monday.
But is real impact from Day 1 will be on defense. And shot blocking.
The Sixers are remaining patient — Noel is not playing every game. He played some in Orlando then missed the Sixers first two games in Las Vegas before playing. This is still the log game for Philly.
“We know it’s a whole another level when we get into the regular season, we’re just happy with where he’s at right now,” Iske said. “We know it’s not a sprint, we’re looking over the long haul with him.”
Over the long haul you can picture Noel with Joel Embiid forming a front line for a team with Michael Carter-Williams and maybe Dario Saric and you can see a very good team. One that is a beast defensively.
The Sixers and Noel are trying not to get ahead of themselves. Patience and development remain the watch words. But the Sixers appear to have the best player at Summer League on their team, and he’s just getting started.
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man outside of being a shot blocker, theres not much else Noel does that well...he's not even a top 5 player at summer league then alone the top. He gets boxed out REALLY easy and he commits fouls because he's always out of position...he still needs to add another 30-40 lbs. But I think he might end up being a tyson chandler type player
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Good to know... I actually haven't watched any of the summer league outside of part of the Cavs Bucks game over a friend's house. I've mostly just watched some highlights here and there but obviously that can give you a really distorted picture of what's going on.
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man outside of being a shot blocker, theres not much else Noel does that well...he's not even a top 5 player at summer league then alone the top. He gets boxed out REALLY easy and he commits fouls because he's always out of position...he still needs to add another 30-40 lbs. But I think he might end up being a tyson chandler type player
Maybe, but if I had known last year that we would be getting LeBron back this year.. I would have taken Noel in a heartbeat over Bennett.
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It's just like old times! Lebron's non-commitment bites us again!
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man outside of being a shot blocker, theres not much else Noel does that well...he's not even a top 5 player at summer league then alone the top. He gets boxed out REALLY easy and he commits fouls because he's always out of position...he still needs to add another 30-40 lbs. But I think he might end up being a tyson chandler type player
Maybe, but if I had known last year that we would be getting LeBron back this year.. I would have taken Noel in a heartbeat over Bennett.
Oh no doubt, I was thinking about that last night.
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from what I've seen from wiggins, he's def. an athletic freak, but the nba is full of those..he shoots a really poor percentage, obviously he'll get better and his defense is well ahead of his offense..but if we can get love for him I do that asap.
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Passing Drummond for Waiters bothers me more than Bennett over Noel.
But LeBron coming back washes away a lot of complaints
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having the best player in the world will do that..lol If you look at our team from 07 that got to the finals and compare to this team..can't help but get excited
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from what I've seen from wiggins, he's def. an athletic freak, but the nba is full of those..he shoots a really poor percentage, obviously he'll get better and his defense is well ahead of his offense..but if we can get love for him I do that asap.
My worry, we're in the middle of another Brian Giles versus Curt Schilling trade debate.
Back in the 90's we wanted Curt and he could have given us the true ace we needed to win a WS in 1-2 years, but we didn't want to give up on a young Brian Giles. It seemed like the Indians front office went with youth and the possible long term future instead of putting all the chips on the table for a chance to win a title in 1-3 years.
Are we there now? Lebron isn't going to be in his prime forever. He has played a lot of games the past decade.
I'd probably trade Wiggins yesterday for KL plus an extension (keeping Waiters and Bennett).
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agreed... especially since Love is still so young.
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Thats why i don't understand the hold up...its not like Klove is +30...he's got alot of bball left....and he's a proven commodity...i do that trade the same day lebron came back
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Thats why i don't understand the hold up...its not like Klove is +30...he's got alot of bball left....and he's a proven commodity...i do that trade the same day lebron came back
JMO but I say we roll with what we have right now. If we can add without touching Wiggins or Bennett that is cool. But I am very excited to see PG Kyrie SG Wiggins SF Lebron PF Bennett C Andy With Waiters coming off the bench at the 1 or the 2 giving those guys a rest and TT doing the same at the 4 and the 5.
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Thats why i don't understand the hold up...its not like Klove is +30...he's got alot of bball left....and he's a proven commodity...i do that trade the same day lebron came back
Wiggins has superstar potential, locks down on perimeter defense and is incredibly cheap for the next 4 seasons. and still cheaper than Love would be next year for the 3 seasons after that one (due to NBA cap rules).
that is a big underscore here is that if you really want to play with the cap, having a rookie hit it bigtime helps you out tremendously (Spurs with Kawhi).
also, unless Golden State is willing to offer up Klay, then Minnesota doesn't have the best options out there anyway. we just have to wait them out.
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Problem is, we need a stretch 4...we don't have that..and if we wait till FA we won't be able to get love under cap...if we trade for him, we get his bird rights so we can give him the most and go over cap to sign him. But I do agree, i think we atleast wait that moron saunders out until trade deadline
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According to Peter Gammons, they could have gotten Randy Johnson from Houston for Brian Giles and two pitching prospects. They also could have gotten Pedro Martinez for Jaret Wright. Imagine those two arms in the same rotation during their primes. On the other hand, we also traded Bartolo Colon in his prime for 3 prospects named Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, and Brandon Phillips. Not trying to make this a baseball thread, but rather to make the point that sometimes trading youth for established talent works out and other times, not so much. I'd leave it to better fans than me to decide if Wiggins for Love is a good idea, but to me it seems like you win either way you go.
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Problem is, we need a stretch 4...we don't have that..and if we wait till FA we won't be able to get love under cap...if we trade for him, we get his bird rights so we can give him the most and go over cap to sign him. But I do agree, i think we atleast wait that moron saunders out until trade deadline
we NEED a rim protector and someone who can score in the paint (yes, KLove can score down there). we could use a stretch-4 (heck, Slim-Jim Bennett may end up being a halfway decent stretch-4). more importantly what team wouldn't be better with Love?
but, we agree. let's wait out Minny and see what we end up needing to trade for him rather than submitting to their initial request.
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I agree. it's a stare diown right now... but Minny needs to move KL or lose him for nothing... we would love to have hiom but wouild love Wiggins as well.... so they need a trade more than we do.
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Minnesota has the leverage now. They know we need to impress Lebron with fancy moves. So, we should be waiting them out. The longer it goes, the more likely they get to worry about him walking for nothing. Do you want Bennett and Waiters + picks or nothing?
And thanks Dave, maybe it was for Johnson. Although, I seem to remember Giles name coming up a lot for ace pitching rentals. As for the Wright/Pedro trade, I don't think anyone would have made that trade at the time. Wright's future looked higher than the sky. Too bad he ended up spending most of his time just as high (not sure if he was the green leaf, but he did drink a lot).
If I were the Cavs GM, I'd be doing whatever I could do to build a "win now" team (the next 2-3 years). I don't care about year 4+ right now. And to me, KL is the "win now" move. Wiggins is the "win later" move. Now sure, who knows how Lebron will play with Wiggins....but NBA championships are won by vets.
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We don't have a stretch 4 right now, at least for sure ...... but Bennett looks promising, and that is what we drafted him for.
I think that Lebron's comments about this not happening immediately are telling. I think that this is more of a developing team than a championship or bust team. I also think that they have some degree of confidence in Blatt and his ability to get players to play together, and to play the right way. I think that we have a lot of players who could be pretty damn good ...... and we need to see what we truly have. I think that Browns offense last year really held guys back. Thompson really seemed to regress last year. I think that he almost has to progress this year.
Further, there is no evidence right now that Kyrie will be able to reign himself in and play alongside Lebron. There is no guarantee that he is definitely a long term piece. We signed him long term, and have every intention of keeping him long term, but if he does not change his game to fit with Lebron, well, then he would be one heck of a trade chip.
I have to disagree with whoever said that Wiggins is "just an athlete", and that there are many like him in the NBA. While it can legitimately be argued that giving him up for Love would be worth it, I don't think that Wiggins talent should be discounted. He is incredibly quick, and has an absolutely beautiful step back jumper. He is also well ahead of most players his age on defense. He can jump unlike most players I have ever seen. He is not "just an athlete", but rather he is a guy with some NBA caliber skills, and who had rare and uncommon athleticism. I wanted Embiid, before he got hurt, but Wiggins is one heck of a consolation prize. I think that he could well become one of a "big 3" himself. We ought not just give him away. (and I know that including him in a deal for Love is not exactly giving him away) If Love really wants to come here, he can make that happen by taking a public stance that he will not sign long term anywhere but Cleveland. That would eliminate suitors, and drive down his price. If we play a long game, I think that we have a real chance to get Love without having to give up a truly key piece of the future. Let's face it ..... this team has a chance at winning a lot of regular season games. If that happens, then our "dire need" lessens. We still want and maybe even need a guy like Love for a post-season run ..... but the trade game is often like a game of poker, and we need to avoid getting bluffed out.
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and has an absolutely beautiful step back jumper.
Actually, he's come up front rim a number of times in summer league on that so far.
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If Love really wants to come here, he can make that happen by taking a public stance that he will not sign long term anywhere but Cleveland.
That's basically what he's done.
Wiggins has a long way to go, and is all "potential" right now. Love is a superstar-level talent getting the KG-in-Minny treatment right now.
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Legend
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Legend
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Actually, I recall Giles name coming up a lot in trade talks for pitchers, and I also recall talk about Schilling back then.
I think we ended up trading Giles for Ricardo Rincon - ay caramba.
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