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I don't know how you are building for the future by losing 10 out of your last 11 games including your last 7 straight.
The team quit on him. Period.
I agree, and that's why he is gone.
That's why there was a house cleaning..
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Considering we had no QB and no RB, it's not a surprise that we would lose our last 7.
The fact that we would see so many players develop into Pro Bowl caliber players was a surprise. I think that's where the previous staff shined. They developed individual players very well. Now this year's staff gets the benefit of that hard work.
They will have 2 different QB, (Counted that way because Hoyer only played 2+ games) a whole new RR corps, improvement on the OL, at ILB, and in the secondary.
Last year, Banner felt it more important to put off assets to this year, which brought better assets, than to use them to improve last year's team. I can't disagree with that. At the time it was the right decision.So was trading Richardson. However, these moves helped tie the hands of the coaching staff.
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Then, how did we win 3 out of our first 5? Just stop. Losing 7 straight and 10 out of 11 isn't building for the future. He lost the team. They quit.
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Then, how did we win 3 out of our first 5? Just stop. Losing 7 straight and 10 out of 11 isn't building for the future. He lost the team. They quit.
I think some of that was losing Hoyer, once they got a glimpse of Hoyer and Weeden/Cambell started stinking up the joint he lost the team. Some of the players quit, Joe Haden noticeably was playing for himself, trying to jump routes, getting greedy.
There was a lot of bad stuff going on last season. For starters we lost those first TWO games with a lead at halftime. The offense was horrendous. Then the Devon Bess stuff was most certainly an issue long before we, the fans knew about it. Then you had Hoyer go down after playing well.....that's a lot of adversity for a team.
Then you add in the turmoil between Banner/Lombardi and Chud and I'm sure the players had to feel like it was all falling apart. Add in Brandon Weeden had 9 interceptions and 6 fumbles in 8 games. Most of those interceptions coming at the most inopportune times imaginable.
Losing that Patriots game the way we did, that was just the nail in the coffin for me. If you had asked me right then and there I would have said, Chud is getting fired.
I have no idea if this year will be better, but with a little bit better QB play, a little bit better run game and even if the defense doesn't get any better, that's like a 3 game swing.
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When was Josh Gordon's first game backl?
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I don't know how you are building for the future by losing 10 out of your last 11 games including your last 7 straight.
The team quit on him. Period.
I agree, and that's why he is gone.
Yes, more than anything that was the final nail in the coffin. This team quit at the end of the season, much like the D seemed to quit on 3rd down.
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I guess I'm not as doom and gloom about missing Gordon as some because I think having a good QB can more than make up for missing a superstar WR.
I agree with that but I understand where some of the doom and gloom comes from because we still aren't 100% sure we have a good QB.
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I think when you looked at the Browns towards the end of the year and you looked at the Jags, the teams played completely differently. We had more talent on our team but the Jags were playing hard all the way to the end. Bradley had them playing hard but Chud didn't so in hindsight it wasn't a surprise he was gone.
There is a different feel to this year but not only from fans but from the media in general and not just about Manziel either.
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I guess I'm not as doom and gloom about missing Gordon as some because I think having a good QB can more than make up for missing a superstar WR.
I agree with that but I understand where some of the doom and gloom comes from because we still aren't 100% sure we have a good QB.
No Weeden means it has to be better right? lol
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This year instead of giving a number, ill go with a range. Im tired of predicting 8-8 and getting 4-12
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Then, how did we win 3 out of our first 5? Just stop. Losing 7 straight and 10 out of 11 isn't building for the future. He lost the team. They quit.
Well, we got on a roll against 2 bad teams, and one broken down team.
Face it, the Vikings were awful on defense last year. They couldn't stop anyone. The Bills were terrible, and we knocked their starting QB out. We played the Bengals with most of thei secondary our with injuries.
It is impossible to deny that there were extenuating circumstances in all of those games. .
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And we won game 3, 4 & 5 - Was Gordon with us during Games 6-16 that we went 1-10? Maybe? just maybe by simple deductive reasoning the Psyche of the team became a winning attitude not with GORDON...but with Hoyer. Cause with Hoyer here playing the Browns were 3-0. Gordon btw 4-10 and the season before 4-12. Browns without Hoyer @QB 2013 those games we were. 1-12. What do you really think MAC?
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Last year, Banner felt it more important to put off assets to this year, which brought better assets,
Good post, YTown! I shortened it to keep the thread concise, but I agree with everything.
Our depth was a major factor in the slide last year. We were thin to begin. Injuries, Banner-Mentality contributed to things unraveling. If we can stay healthy and get improved play at QB (healthy Hoyer or Manziel) we will be better.
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If I only had $10 for every season I thought we have to be better next year because next years QB can't be as bad as last years.. 
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No Weeden means it has to be better right? lol
If I only had $10 for every season I thought we have to be better next year because next years QB can't be as bad as last years..
So is it safe to assume that Johnny Manziel will only throw flippers?
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LOL.. I don't know. I still hold out hope for Manziel (and for Hoyer too) but it seems that each new QB we try finds new and creative ways to disappoint us.
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I don't think Chud did anything bad last season. By all accounts the players loved him..
Players loved Romeo too, doesn't mean that he did his job as coach good or anything. If I did a crappy at my job and my boss still continued to call my name and play me, I'd love him too. Doesn't mean the boss is doing a good job, though, does it? No...
Chud is and was a dud. For God sake's he had a year and etc of film on Weeden and still played him and his reason for playing him over the other qbs, each did a better job than Weeden, was "to see what we had". Chud is never going to see a head coaching job again, because he doesn't belong in one.
Being an offensive minded coach, our offense was yet again, the worst, most-lacking piece of this team and in the league. But he didn't do anything bad, which suggest he did a good job? Yeah bro no offense, but that doesn't add up to anything logical.
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So what did people reasonably expect from a HC who runs the air coryell with Brandon Weeden as the QB?
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To have started Hoyer or even Campbell at the beginning of the season, each I am sure played better in practice than Weeden too. If Brandon never have gotten injured, we'd probably have saw him behind center each and every game last season under Chud's reign.
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To have started Hoyer or even Campbell at the beginning of the season, each I am sure played better in practice than Weeden too. If Brandon never have gotten injured, we'd probably have saw him behind center each and every game last season under Chud's reign.
I don't know if that's true. weeden looked good until under pressure and there is no pressure in training camp. and you got to admit he looked ok 2 of the 3 preseason games.
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Man, will you please stop the nonsense. The Bengals made the playoffs. We beat them. Yeah, I know......they were so beat up. No other teams has injuries throughout the year and that was the ONLY week that the Bengals dealt w/injuries.  The Vikings beat the Steelers, Bears, Eagles[who you adore,] and tied the Pack. We laid an egg against Jax. Did they have more talent than us? We should of creamed the Jets. Things were going our way. We quit! You are just trying to lay all the blame on the FO so it is a nice, tidy package. Later, you'll argue that we have a enough talent to compete for the playoffs. LOL
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I actually think this team would have should have could have won 7 to 8 games last year with better QB play and No Josh Gordon suspension.
The Miami game week 1 was there for the taken without 3 first half interceptions.
Week 2 the Ravens had little to no offense but the Browns had 0 offense.
Easily could have been 2 and 0 out of the gate.
Insert Brian Hoyer and 3 straight victories. Then he gets hurt.
After 2 losses the team plays really well against an undefeated Chiefs team but falls short.
Beats the Ravens and then hands the Bengals a game they were dominating with 4 first half turnovers.
Loses 2 games that they had won vs the Pats and Jags.
Better QB play last year could have been much different and this would have been year 2 of Chud, Turner, and Horton.
Now lets hope this new staff has better luck due to improved QB play.
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The second Bengal game was the key. Haden and Ward were celebrating like we just won the Super Bowl after the early lead. The Bengals dug in....we quit. We come out the next week in the most important game of year [coach speaking] and got dominated. Our team quit in too many late-season games.
Look, I defended the coaching staff all year..............but, they lost the team. You don't lose that many games in that fashion. It was also obvious that teams w/inferior talent like the Jets and Jags played harder than we did.
That's on the coaching staff. I supported them, but they didn't get it done.
Now, to take it further.............I think that our team was devoid of player leadership. Guys like Haden, Ward, and Taylor had a lot of influence. Unfortunately, every single one of them quit when it got tough. Ward is gone and that is good. Haden has the potential to be a leader, but he better stop all this solo stuff. Taylor could be a beast, but he has been a problem because he never conditions himself well enough to stay on the field and he lacks discipline.
We better hope that Whitner can lead these guys in a new direction.
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The second Bengal game was the key. Haden and Ward were celebrating like we just won the Super Bowl after the early lead. The Bengals dug in....we quit. We come out the next week in the most important game of year [coach speaking] and got dominated. Our team quit in too many late-season games.
Look, I defended the coaching staff all year..............but, they lost the team. You don't lose that many games in that fashion. It was also obvious that teams w/inferior talent like the Jets and Jags played harder than we did.
That's on the coaching staff. I supported them, but they didn't get it done.
Now, to take it further.............I think that our team was devoid of player leadership. Guys like Haden, Ward, and Taylor had a lot of influence. Unfortunately, every single one of them quit when it got tough. Ward is gone and that is good. Haden has the potential to be a leader, but he better stop all this solo stuff. Taylor could be a beast, but he has been a problem because he never conditions himself well enough to stay on the field and he lacks discipline.
We better hope that Whitner can lead these guys in a new direction.
I like to think a team and players take on the persona of their coach. So, that probably describes why Chud is no longer here. I like Pettine's high school pedigree with his dad. Tradition does not graduate why? The coach on the side line. If Pettine has his dad's persona then this team will fight for him.
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Cant fake leadership and no coach can lead on the field. Is it a coincidence that we drafted Manziel and paid big money for an aged Dansby.
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Yeah..............I have no real proof that Pettine is a great motivator [so, please don't ask me to provide it,] but I really get the feeling that this guy is the kind of guy who will challenge players to be their best while not losing them because he is too much of jerk.
I have high hopes for Pettine. I think he talks a bit too much, but that could be because he is so raw. I like his demeanor. I like his toughness. I like his defensive philosophy. I am hoping he is the guy.
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Mourg...............you probably know more about this than I do.......but, what do you think about Dansby as a leader? At first, I thought he was like Whit and would provide great leadership, but I read a couple of his comments and it seemed like they were kinda selfish. I may have misinterpreted them. What do you think?
I do know it would be huge for us if his leadership skills were strong. I really, really believe that this team needs that more than anything........other than solid qb play.
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Pettine made one comment recently that I loved. He said he wanted tough guys and wanted players that when they knocked someone down they were not about to help them back up.
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He is a bit selfish and can be a bit of a . but he holds everyone accountable from what I have learned about him since we signed him. He was brought int to be our Linebacker enforcer, just like Whitner was brought in to be the secondary enforcer. I was ignorant about some things with the guys that they replaced and the fact they were chucking it up on the sidelines after blowing 4th quarter leads.
We get teams down and noone knows how to finish and that is disturbing. Rewatching games from last year without any emotional ties to the game and I came away very impressed with Gipson and very disturbed with Haden especially after the Jags game.
The concussion issue with Big Phil and Bryant's heart issue was the straws that just collapsed this entire team.
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We couldn't finish games because we had not offense. The FO refused to get chud help on offense and we lost because of it. Hoyer provided a spark and when he went down that was it. If you think Norv turner and chud could not create and offense that scores points then you are very sadly mistaken. You gotta have HB's and WR though to have a chance LOL.
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Dude, we gave up 41, 27, 32, 27, 38, 24, and 20 in our last 7 games.
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Man, will you please stop the nonsense. The Bengals made the playoffs. We beat them. Yeah, I know......they were so beat up. No other teams has injuries throughout the year and that was the ONLY week that the Bengals dealt w/injuries. The Vikings beat the Steelers, Bears, Eagles[who you adore,] and tied the Pack.
We laid an egg against Jax. Did they have more talent than us? We should of creamed the Jets. Things were going our way. We quit!
You are just trying to lay all the blame on the FO so it is a nice, tidy package. Later, you'll argue that we have a enough talent to compete for the playoffs. LOL
A team missing 3/4 of their starting secondary is going to be easier to beat than an intact team. Sorry if the truth offends you. I am stunned that you won't acknowledge that. In the Vikings game, we probably had our most creative game plan of the year on special teams. We went all out in that game. Hoyer did some nice things, but those things have to be looked at through the spectrum of the teams and circumstances he faced. (just like any player who played very limited snaps)
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Offends me? LMAO
You are talking nonsense. Are you really telling me that no other teams had injuries last year? Are you really denying that we lost 7 straight? Are you denying we lost 10 out of our last 11 after winning 3 of our first 5? Are you really saying that the HC wasn't at all responsible for that?
Everything needs to wrapped into a tight little bow in your world, YTown. Sorry, but I ain't buying the BS. Chud sucked.
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Thanks for the replies. Don't see lots of enthusiasm for sure-fire playoff success, but I didn't expect such enthusiasm. Got a few replies of "maybe playoffs with luck and a few breaks." At least no one replied "1 - 15 and a new coach next year." Well, I'm thinking best-case 8 - 8 or 9 - 7. "Running back by committee" hopefully will produce more ground yards than last year, but rotating backs doesn't establish a personality for the offense (unless we become a passing team). But I don't know, given cobbled-together WR corps, how we can expect more passing yardage, though fewer turnovers would produce more points from passing game. Hopefully defense has improved somewhat: some indications it could. So, we'll see. I don't think playoffs are impossible, but "worst to first" seems a fantasy scenario. Thanks to all. 
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LOL.. I don't know. I still hold out hope for Manziel (and for Hoyer too) but it seems that each new QB we try finds new and creative ways to disappoint us.
Seriously,you would think just out of shear dumb luck,they could hit on a guy for a change.
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Yes, it will be different. Last year we couldn't run the ball. At ALL. This year we likely won't be able to throw the ball. Our WR corp this year reminds me of our RB corp last year. Old, slow and not scaring anyone. I see a lot of 8 and 9 man fronts in our future...
This vaunted D of Pettines better be REALLY good. Or it's going to be another LONG season followed by another coaching search.
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You are talking nonsense. Are you really telling me that no other teams had injuries last year? Are you really denying that we lost 7 straight? Are you denying we lost 10 out of our last 11 after winning 3 of our first 5? Are you really saying that the HC wasn't at all responsible for that?
Everything needs to wrapped into a tight little bow in your world, YTown. Sorry, but I ain't buying the BS. Chud sucked.
He absolutely was at least partially responsible for it. He sure called a lot of pass plays. He kept running McSlowly out there week after week. Seemingly oblivious to the fact he was WAY past done. Hell, a FA off the street would have been better. We threw the ball more than DENVER. Denver! Chud was pass happy when he was here before but MAN did he have it bad last year. You would have thought we actually had a QB or something. The entire season last year was horrible. And the HC has a good deal(though not all by any means)of responsibility for that. No doubt about it. Banner and Lombardi hold an equal amount. They all screwed the pooch and got their heads chopped for it. Lets hope our current regime learn from that and don't disappoint us(and more importantly Haslam) equally this season.
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Yes, it will be different. Last year we couldn't run the ball. At ALL. This year we likely won't be able to throw the ball. Our WR corp this year reminds me of our RB corp last year. Old, slow and not scaring anyone. I see a lot of 8 and 9 man fronts in our future...
This vaunted D of Pettines better be REALLY good. Or it's going to be another LONG season followed by another coaching search.
That's why I see 7-9. Just marginal improvements,
but not enough to get them over the hump.They have to draft some serious playmakers next year,or we will be sitting here debating the same dumb 21-17 losses we all know so well.
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