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Increased yield but at what cost? The incident of disease in this country has skyrocketed in the last 10-20 years. People are more unhealthy than ever due to diet and chemicals in the diet.

GMOs might increase yield, but the rest of the world doesn't want our GMOs and they are banned in Europe, China, and many other countries. In fact, the whole increased yield argument is mostly a farce. GMO's are primarily designed to make them produce their own pesticide. That's how they are increasing their yield, but at the same time you are now eating a plant made of pesticide on the cellular/genetic level.

GMO's basically kill anything that eats it. Cows fed GMO corn will die within 140-160 days if not slaughtered sooner. Insects eating a GMO plant will die from having it's guts split open. People who live next to GMO fields come down with illnesses/diseases from the pollen. Is this something you really want to eat? You don't have a choice because GMO corn is literally everywhere and in most food products that aren't organic.

Africa doesn't want GMOs either.

http://www.worldpress.org/Africa/737.cfm
http://www.tlaxcala-int.org/article.asp?reference=10890

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Now, I believe we still could feed the entire planet without chemicals and genetically modified foods.

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We could but that brings us back to my other point that our lifestyles are not set up to do that. Most people I know want to go to the grocery store maybe once every other week and stock up and eat until they have to go again. If you are going to eat fresh fruits and vegetables and unprocessed foods, then you have to go to the store more often because you can't buy that stuff in bulk, unless you want to can it yourself, which takes even more time... we want it quick, we want it good, and we want it cheap.. something has to give.

You can buy organics and non-gmo in bulk. Fresh, frozen, canned, boxed, bagged, dried, processed you name it. I buy them all of the time. Its not about fresh/processed. Organic ensures the food isn't grown with chemicals (fertilizer/pesticide/herbicide) and that its not genetically modified.

Convenience isn't a factor for those of us concerned with chemicals and GMO. Its just a matter of paying more to ensure your food isn't sprayed with chemicals and modified to be able to grow after being sprayed with those chemicals.

It's kinda like the type of "insurance" the Mafia gangsters used to sell. "If you pay me more I'll make sure your food isn't poisoned."

These stories always make me think of this. I love how the experts have never been right.

I'm really glad this thread got started because, as you all can tell by my previous posts within it, I am currently on a quest to defeat my diabetes and obesity. I'm still doing good and will be attending a group discussion at our local V.A. Clinic tomorrow.

Last night I watched the movie, "FOOD, Inc" which describes today's food industry. I was surprised to learn that it's all driven by McDonalds. Yes. McDonalds. They are the countries largest buyer of beef, chicken and potatoes as well as one of the biggest buyers of pork, apples, dairy among other foods.

As a result, the industry is geared to produce those foods as fast and as cheap as McDonalds requires which means even when we buy those foods at the grocery store the method of production is the same: Made as cheaply as possible which negates much of the nutritional value that used to be in those foods.

The food industry insists on buying ingredients such as grains, corn specifically, at lower than cost prices from the farmers, and they get it. In turn, our government subsidizes the farmers to make up the difference so they can actually make a profit selling to the food industry. So in effect the government is subsidizing our current unhealthy food choices which is making us all sick and obese.

I was also surprised to find that many of the current top executives in the FDA have a resume that includes top level executive positions within the food industry. (Just as they did with those who held high positions responsible for the collapse of the banking industry which caused the $700Billion bail-out in '08 who are now top level government officials in charge of finances.) These food industry heavy-weights are now in charge of the FDA who ultimately decides what we eat by making the rules which govern it.

There are currently only 4 giant food companies who control all of the food we eat unless we buy locally from Farmer's Markets.

One very intelligent farmer who operates a farm the old way, using no modern technology while producing beef, chicken and pork describes the modern food processing in this way...

"Everything we've done in modern industrial agriculture industry is to grow it faster, fatter, bigger, cheaper. Nobody is thinking about e-coli and type II diabetes and the ecological health of the whole system. We're outsourcing autonomous farmer decision making, outsoursing that to coporate boardrooms in big cities a thousand miles away where people make decisions and don't live with the consequences fo those decisions.

Speaking on his won cattle: Everything is grass based. You know, they don't eat corn or dead cows or chicken manure like, you know, they feed right here in the valley. They actually eat grass. Clover, grass, herbs. They're herbavores. If they were eating corn you're gonna have to harvest that corn, transport that corn and then you're gonna have to haul all that manure somewhere that comes out the back end. Here, there's the whole thing. I mean the cow is fertilizing, they're mowing, we don't have to spread any manure, we don't have to harvest it, she's harvesting it, I mean, it's all real time, real silver dollars.

The industrial food system gradually became so noisy, smelly, not a personable, friendly place that the people who operate those places don't want anybody to go there cause then people would see the ugly truth. When that occured then we lost all the integrity and all the accountability in the food system. If we put glass walls on all the industrial processing plants we'd have a different food system in this country.

We have allowed ourselves to become so disconnected and ignorant about something that is as intimate as the food we eat. ... I've had people come up at a Farmer's Market and say, "What, $3 a dozen for eggs?!", and they're drinking a 75¢ can of soda.

I'm always surprised at how successful we have been at hitting the bullseye of the wrong target. I mean, we have learned how to plant, fertilize and harvest corn using global positioning technology and nobody sits back and asks, "Should we be feeding cows corn?" We've become a culture of technicians. We're all into the how of it. and nobody's stepping back and saying, "But why?"

A culture that uses a pig as a pile of protoplasmic, inantimate structure to be manipulated by whatever creative design the human can foist on that critter will probably view indiviuals within that community and in other cultures in the community of nations with the same type of distain and disrespect and controlling-type mentality. "


What I have garnered from this documentary is that the processing plants of the modern food industry treats the farmers with no respect, cruelly treats the animals with no respect, their own workers, (whom they pay very low wages), with no respect and us, the end consumers (who eat the food), with no respect in regards to our nutritional requirements to be healthy and it's all subsidized by our own government. All the while telling us to eat healthy when it's virtually impossible if we're buying our food at the grocery store. That includes the "fresh" vegetable section.


I didn't start out to write a review about this movie/documentary so maybe I went a bit overboard but I did it to encourage everyone to check it out. If you're like me your eyes will be opened as to just what food is available, how unhealthy it is for our bodies and why it is and how it came to be that this is all that is available to us.

I know I'm getting in late, but I just want to say that this isn't really "news". Anyone that understands how the body works should have known long ago that lowering carbs, not fat, is the way to go. And, at least two Doctors did: Pennington and Atkins.

…..carry on…..

Thank Michelle, I meant to address that and forgot. It is amazing how misunderstood that diet is. When I told a friend I was starting it she said, "You do know Mr. Atkins died don't you?" I said, well everybody dies. He was 72.

Some people think that you can just gorge on all the meat you can eat. Very misunderstood.

It's also not clear what exactly he died of….complications of his fall or heart related issues.

I know old farmers that ate everything they should not eat every day, and smoked while living into their 90's, and I know guys who ate right and worked out 6 days a week and died in their 50's.

I just figure when your time is up your time is up, why waste time worrying about it I lose weight when I cut my carbs and load up on protien but with my work schedule that is impossible for me to do.