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Well, weeded looked like the better QB year one against colt and year 2 against Campbell and hoyer.
And we all know how that worked out.
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Is it possible that fans will think that Manziel is the better starter based on his performance in Pre Season games? And will that effect the powers that make that decision?
1) Some fans, possibly. Informed fans, no way unless Hoyer fails miserably, and I believe that to be highly unlikely.
2) I don't believe at this point that the coaches care what the fans think about Manziel.
3) I think some of the bloom is off the rose, and that anyone paying attention clearly sees that Hoyer is the better choice right now.
4) As I stated in the post above, Manziel would have to play perfect football from here on out, and then prove he is clearly superior as a starter than Hoyer. I don't see that happening between now and the 3rd preseason game.
5) The pressure to start Manziel is primarily media driven and I see that abating daily. Ditto fan pressure.
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Apparently there was a few fights that broke out. Nothing major. Happens every year.
yea. guess tate got mad at rubin and threw the ball at him. lmao
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Apparently there was a few fights that broke out. Nothing major. Happens every year.
yea. guess tate got mad at rubin and threw the ball at him. lmao
And I wouldn't be surprised if some of that kind of stuff, especially with veterans, isn't manufactured, in order t get the team fired up.
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I thought the most interesting point of practice has yet to be mentioned. Gilkey apparently is taking all the first team reps at RG. mean offensive line when Joe is the nice guy out there lol.
Yet to be mentioned even by Joe Thomas.
That's because the Browns have guys who can move in Thomas, Joel Bitonio, Alex Mack and Mitchell Schwartz.
Now that came in a paragraph with Joe Said, Joe Said but it sounds like an additional editorial by the author. ???
But when I read it I thought I guess Greco or McQ just is not fast enough at RG.
More important is How did he look? Of course you can't tell until we hit. That's today? But if Gilkey is there at RG, we would definitely have THE FASTEST OL in the NFL 
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I thought the most interesting point of practice has yet to be mentioned. Gilkey apparently is taking all the first team reps at RG. mean offensive line when Joe is the nice guy out there lol.
Yet to be mentioned even by Joe Thomas.
That's because the Browns have guys who can move in Thomas, Joel Bitonio, Alex Mack and Mitchell Schwartz.
Now that came in a paragraph with Joe Said, Joe Said but it sounds like an additional editorial by the author. ???
But when I read it I thought I guess Greco or McQ just is not fast enough at RG.
More important is How did he look? Of course you can't tell until we hit. That's today? But if Gilkey is there at RG, we would definitely have THE FASTEST OL in the NFL
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The coaches believe that Bitonio and Mack, for two examples, will excel in the wide zone blocking scheme. Thomas said the scheme will bring out the best in the entire unit.
“I think it actually fits the personality and the abilities of our line really well, probably better than any other scheme,” Thomas said. “It’s just that this is the first year we’ve been in it. You look across the board, myself and Alex and Joel and Gilkey and Greco, and all the guys we have are really fast, athletic type linemen, and this is just really the first time I think we’re going to be in a system that really uses our attributes physically as well as possible.”
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Is it possible that fans will think that Manziel is the better starter based on his performance in Pre Season games? And will that effect the powers that make that decision?
The other two commentators felt that the fans could be tricked into believing he's the better of the two, but neither felt the coaching staff would fall for that.
What's your thoughts?
I'd like to believe that the Coaching staff takes everything into consideration.
I believe the other two are right. I don't see the coaching staff getting googly just because Maziel shows flashes against the #2s in the preseason (though they did say they expect both to start).. I expect Manziel to start preseason game #2 and I expect him to look ok.
I believe the coaching staff is looking very closely at how much Manziel has to rely on pure athleticism to succeed and that will be a big determining factor in how close he gets to catching or passing Hoyer..
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Of course now he left out Schwartz...lol 
Hey if the kid improves year two (Gilkey) it won't be the first time...Gipson one to two came alive! 
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I think the only reason Gilkey is in there is because Greco in on the non-football injury list.
Furthermore, I heard Gilkey struggled today and was "inconsistent". But whatever, that's only one day's work.
I still think Greco #1 and not surprised if McQ is the #2 guard for both spots.
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As far as the better athletes looking better in preseason, I don't think that applies for QBs. Maybe if you have a guy with big arm and nothing else, talent-wise (I bet you know who I'm thinking of here), but that description doesn't really fit our current QBs (maybe Shaw?). I don't think Johnny's athleticism will really help him all that much in preseason, because it's going to be a small part of his game. Reading defenses and throwing accurately is most of what he needs to do.
This is different than, say, a WR or corner. Vanilla schemes and playing the depth guys (and lower) really highlights those guys' physical attributes.
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Absolutely, that's his job - he's the official mouthpiece of the organization in the printed media world. Nothing wrong with that at all, but knowing that can perhaps give a little insight into what the organization thinks. If he's writing a story that wants to play up Hoyer and temper enthusiasm over Manziel, then it's safe to assume that the front office wants to stop Johnny Mania from gathering any steam before the rest of the media can hype it up. It also can be assumed that it wants the casual follower that doesn't hang on every bit of news - like we do - to know that there is a really valid reason that they should not expect, and also not hope, to see JF leading the team onto the field early this season.
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I think the only reason Gilkey is in there is because Greco in on the non-football injury list.
Furthermore, I heard Gilkey struggled today and was "inconsistent". But whatever, that's only one day's work.
I still think Greco #1 and not surprised if McQ is the #2 guard for both spots.
I agree w/this post, too. Last year, people were slamming Gilkey for his performance. This year, some people are acting like he is a stud.
I think the truth is somewhere in between. He is a raw kid w/some upside that will probably take time to develop. I would feel pretty safe in saying that Greco is quite a bit ahead of Gilkey.
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I think the only reason Gilkey is in there is because Greco in on the non-football injury list.
Furthermore, I heard Gilkey struggled today and was "inconsistent". But whatever, that's only one day's work.
I still think Greco #1 and not surprised if McQ is the #2 guard for both spots.
I agree w/this post, too. Last year, people were slamming Gilkey for his performance. This year, some people are acting like he is a stud.
I think the truth is somewhere in between. He is a raw kid w/some upside that will probably take time to develop. I would feel pretty safe in saying that Greco is quite a bit ahead of Gilkey.
Pettine did say that gilkey is getting more reps because Greco is out. wouldn't be the first time a player got to be starter because of injury though.
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I think this very same "journalist" wrote this very same article last year. LOL
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Isn't Gilkey more of a power-type guy instead of the leaner/faster linemen we're looking for?
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Here is a report on him. Quote:
Garrett Gilkey
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Seventh Round: 227th Pick
Chadron State's Garrett Gilkey is an intriguing NFL prospect who has a chance to be an excellent player at the next level. He features the measurables, work ethic and mean streak most look for in an offensive-line prospect.
The big question is if Gilkey can translate his dominance against the lesser competition he faced at Chadron State to the next level.
Strengths Weaknesses
+ Aggressiveness - Fluidity
+ Strength - Small School
+ Motor
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Height: 6’6” Weight: 318 pounds Arm Length: 32 5/8” 40 time: 5.33
Intangibles/Character: ESPN’s Elizabeth Merrill did an entire article centered on the strong character of Gilkey. The focus of the article surrounds how he dealt with bullies throughout his high school days. This says everything you need to know about Gilkey’s personality.
System: Gilkey will fit either a power- or zone-blocking scheme. However, his aggressiveness and nasty streak make him a better fit in a power system. The image below shows Gilkey driving a defender several yards down the field. This is a guy who works to put his opponent on his back on every play.
Pass-Blocking: Playing offensive tackle in college provided Gilkey with experience while working in space. However, he doesn’t have the fluidity needed to consistently protect the edge at the next level. The image below shows Gilkey struggling to remain balanced as he works his way to the edge.
This is the main reason why Gilkey needs to move inside to guard, as he’ll get more protection at this spot.
Gilkey’s strength as a player is his power and aggressiveness. Moving inside to guard will provide him with a better opportunity to quickly get his hands on the pass-rusher. His strength helps him wrap up defensive linemen and control their movements.
Run-Blocking: Gilkey is arguably the most aggressive offensive lineman in this draft class. He’s a nasty player who works to the whistle and wants to put his opponent on his back. That mentality helps make Gilkey a powerful, and potentially dominant, run-blocker.
His success as a run-blocker isn’t tied only to his raw strength and effort. He also does a good job of keeping his pads low and gaining his hands inside. The clip below shows Gilkey firing off the ball, keeping his pads down and driving the defender off the ball.
Gilkey’s commitment to gaining leverage is why he’s able to move inside to guard despite his 6’6” frame.
Blocking in Space: The ability to hold up in space depends on the balance and fluidity of an offensive lineman. Gilkey possesses some athleticism, but just doesn’t have the quick feet to consistently protect the edge. The quicker pass-rushers in the NFL will easily be able bend the corner and generate pressure on the quarterback.
Hand-Fighting: Because of his upper-body strength, Gilkey is able to lock on to a defender and control his movements. That will play a role in his success as a run-blocker and pass-blocker. His first move off the line is always aggressive and aimed to gain inside hand placement.
Recovery: Gilkey is able to remain balanced in most situations. However, he has a tendency to over-extend himself when trying to protect the edge against speed-rushers so that is the main reason why his future success depends on moving inside to guard.
On the inside, Gilkey can use his strong base to absorb initial contact and re-set himself. He also boasts enough quickness off the snap to keep defenders from shooting through the gap.
Technique: The consistency at which Gilkey obtains his hands inside and gains leverage is a major asset. After gaining this initial positioning, he engages the defender and works to the whistle, helping him drive defensive linemen off the ball in the running game and keep pass-rushers out of the quarterback’s face.
Future Role/Versatility: Gilkey’s future in the NFL is at the guard position. However, his experience at left tackle in college means he can potentially fill in at tackle in a pinch. That type of versatility is important to NFL teams because injuries often occur in the offensive line.
Draft Projection: Fourth round
Here is the link in case you want to view the pics. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/15898...ron-state-guard
Btw----it sounds like you were right. They are saying he is more of a power guy than an agile guy.
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I just read another report that said he was athletic. Maybe steve can provide some information on him. He researches a lot of these guys while they are in college and I think he has a really keen eye----except about Carr, of course.
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See, this is the part (well, one of many parts), where my limited football knowledge keeps me guessing.
It does mention in that report you posted (thank you, btw), that he's a bit of a plodder (I'm paraphrasing), and I remember hearing/reading that from before, which is why I made the initial comment.
But it also says in the report that he played some tackle, and could possibly even fill in in a pinch.
These two statements seem somewhat contradictory to me. The guy is a plodder, but he's got to, at least, have decent feet to play tackle at the college level (or maybe not at a Div2 school?). How do those 2 aspects project to him playing guard (sounds like it would be RG for us) in a ZBS?
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Lol (Carr), the thing is when these guys play D2 competition they all look strong and agile. In his highlight videos he was pushing guys off the screen blocking them 10 yards out of bounds. The only impressions I remember from his senior bowl practices when he was matched up with top-level college talent was that he lacked athleticism. I though Mayock was giving him praise he didn't really deserve... he was talking him up like he was doing an amazing job but I didn't see it. Thought he had decent strength IIRC. Those are just my vague recollections, though. It was a long time ago and I couldn't find any posts I had made back then on him.
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As far as the better athletes looking better in preseason, I don't think that applies for QBs. Maybe if you have a guy with big arm and nothing else, talent-wise (I bet you know who I'm thinking of here), but that description doesn't really fit our current QBs (maybe Shaw?). I don't think Johnny's athleticism will really help him all that much in preseason, because it's going to be a small part of his game. Reading defenses and throwing accurately is most of what he needs to do.
This is different than, say, a WR or corner. Vanilla schemes and playing the depth guys (and lower) really highlights those guys' physical attributes.
During camp without hitting, Johny just isnt going to look as good. He is small and throws best when moving out of the pocket. When we get to the live scrimmage and preseason games then his advantage will come to the forefront. Plus the deck is gonna be stacked against Hoyer. Manziel will probably get Lions 2nd team defense and get his start against the Skins #1 defense. While Hoyer will get his start against Suh and company.
I also think another issue for Hoyer is the fact that he is a slow starter. Start slow now and you are coming out of the game without a chance to show your come back ability. they want to make Johny earn it, but i have no doubts that everyone from owner to coaches to FO, want Johny to beat out Hoyer.
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OK, maybe my memory is off (well, it's usually off) This is what I had form Gilkey at the combine. Can't find anything from senior bowl. Other impressive performances were turned in today, one by Brian Schwenke (my #3 ranked Center prospect) who posted a 4.99 40 and a very good showing in the long pull drill. Coupling that display of agility and speed with the physicality he showed at the senior bowl, he looks like a top-75 pick. Earl Watford of James Madison looked athletic throughout, and Garrett Gilkey, which not running a great 40, did quite well in positional drills.http://www.cornerblitz.com/2013/Combine/Default.aspx
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Charlie Casserly said the Browns QB would be in next years draft. He wasn't impressed with either guy today for what its worth.
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Things get heated… Training Camp Notes 07.29.14 Apparently I wasn’t the only one who thought Monday’s practice lacked the competitive fire that we’ve been hearing about. The dial on the intensity knob got turned up on Tuesday. There were bodies flying around. There were footballs thrown at heads. There was pushing and shoving. There was a skirmish that included at least 15-20 players. The tone for the day was set by coach Pettine, who told the players that he didn’t want a flat practice with the off day coming on Wednesday. He wanted some enthusiasm. He wanted some fire. He got it. The team was in full pads again on Tuesday, and worked heavy on the run game just like Monday. This time the ball was moving toward the sidelines more, and the defense was making sure that the ball carriers were stopped and were constantly swatting at the ball trying to force fumbles. The offense took exception to the intensity with which they were punching at the ball. Running back Ben Tate found himself wrapped in the arms of several defenders on one particular running play, and ended up firing the ball at Ahtyba Rubin’s head. Now Rubin doesn’t quite have the temper of Phil Taylor, but he certainly isn’t going to stand by and let a running back fire a ball at him. A scrum ensued. I think some of the players that were involved were kind of caught up because of their proximity. I would say that the offense was likely ready to release some frustration. The defense most definitely had the better day Tuesday. Coach Pettine would say after practice that while you don’t like to see these skirmishes, sometimes it can be good for one unit of side of the ball to stick up for each other, to avoid being bullied around at practice. There was also a competition set up between the offense and the defense for the last scrimmage session of the day. The winning unit would get to wear orange jerseys for practice on Thursday. The defense won. Bullet Points: – CB Justin Gilbert continued to show why Ray Farmer and Mike Pettine thought so highly of him in the draft. He made several plays on passes, including getting great position of Miles Austin and picking off a slightly underthrown ball from Brian Hoyer. Gilbert also fell down during a 7-on-7 drill (I did not see if there was a collision or he tripped) and was favoring his right leg after he got up and walked off the field. He did return after checking with the staff on the sidelines, without missing any reps. – Another defensive back that had a good day was Johnson Bademosi. The safety made at least two nice pass break-ups as well, and up-ended WR Travis Benjamin on one played. – With all of those defensive backs having nice days, it goes without saying that the quarterbacks didn’t really shine. Johnny Manziel was intercepted a few times, I believe all while working with the second unit. Twice he threw picks when there was no receiver in the neighborhood of the ball. You can’t automatically assign blame to Manziel without knowing if the receiver ran the right route. – Lost in the Hoyer/Manziel battle is the fact that there are two other quarterbacks on the roster. Conner Shaw is the rookie from South Carolina battling Tyler Thigpen. Thigpen has a ton of experience on Shaw, and was in Buffalo with Mike Pettine. There was one play in particular that showed Shaw’s inexperience reading an NFL defense. He has a wide receiver coming open deep across the middle, but rushed the ball to the sideline for an incompletion. – Marlon Moore was in uniform and participating in practice after signing with the team on Monday. He is wearing number 15. – I talked to a scout from the Canadian Football League. With some 30+ extra players on the roster, a number of these guys will be looking for work in a few weeks. The CFL will be there with open arms for several of them. This scout had his eyes on rookie WR Taylor Gabriel. If the Browns don’t keep him around on the roster or practice squad, he’ll get offers. – Machine Gun Kelly was at practice Tuesday, apparently as a guest of Joe Haden. That’s all I have to say about that. – Phil Taylor, John Greco, and Billy Winn remain on the non-football injury list. Jason Pinkston remains on the roster, but nowhere to be seen. The Pinkston situation is strange. In the meantime, Garrett Gilkey and Joel Bitonio take all the reps with the first unit. http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2014/07/things-get-heated-training-camp-notes-7-29-14/
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I just read another report that said he was athletic. Maybe steve can provide some information on him. He researches a lot of these guys while they are in college and I think he has a really keen eye----except about Carr, of course.
I seem to recall seeing a lot of scouting reports last year saying that he was agile and quick, despite his massive size, and could block in space.
Of course, that was against division 23 opponents. ...... or whatever division he played in .... lol
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Charlie Casserly said the Browns QB would be in next years draft. He wasn't impressed with either guy today for what its worth.
And if that's the case, then we have set ourselves up quite nicely t be able to move around next year.
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As far as the better athletes looking better in preseason, I don't think that applies for QBs. Maybe if you have a guy with big arm and nothing else, talent-wise (I bet you know who I'm thinking of here), but that description doesn't really fit our current QBs (maybe Shaw?). I don't think Johnny's athleticism will really help him all that much in preseason, because it's going to be a small part of his game. Reading defenses and throwing accurately is most of what he needs to do.
Exactly. I think the QB that is going to look deceptively good in preseason is not the athlete, it's the guy who struggles to read complex defenses... (I bet you know who I'm thinking of here) 
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It's just day 2 of training camp "in pads"...
I trust this coaching staff to pick the best Oline by the time the season starts.
I expect the Oline to be a strength once they have gelled...very likely to be a close competition for some Oline positions.
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In wake of training-camp scrap, Cleveland Browns' Donte Whitner says, 'We don't want any soft players around here' BEREA, Ohio – Browns coach Mike Pettine preaches competitive, not combative practices. Safety Donte Whitner, however, believes there's nothing wrong with a good training-camp dustup – and that's what occurred Tuesday in Berea. About 20 players were involved in a skirmish midway through practice after running back Ben Tate threw the ball at defensive lineman Ahtyba Rubin at the end of a running play. Most camp fights include a handful of players, but this one resembled a bench-clearing baseball brawl only with more snarl. There were a few punches thrown, but it was mostly lots of shoving and cursing. Nobody got hurt. The scuffle pitted offensive against defensive players. Whitner, who wants to create an intimidating persona for the defense, seemed delighted with mayhem that resulted in no injuries. "That was a big one and that's how we like it really," he said. "We don't want any soft guys around here. We want guys going to bat for each other. We're not trying to hurt each other, but if one of your guys is fighting the opposition, you have to jump in and help or separate them. That's what happened over there. It all started because guys were being physical, guys were being extra physical, putting a little extra in after the whistle." Players tumbled like bowling pins as more joined the fray. A secondary battle ensured as defensive lineman John Hughes dragged offensive lineman Martin Wallace off the pile and defensive lineman Calvin Barnett threw a punch. "You don't want nice guys on defense. You want nasty guys," Whitaker said. "You don't want nice guys on offense and the offensive line. You want nasty guys. That's what winning football teams are built on - built in the trenches on nasty football and that's what we're trying to develop." Pettine doesn't like camps fights as he worries they lead to undisciplined conduct in games. Of course, he's also the same coach who touts toughness and bloodying noses in divisional games. He recognizes the contradiction. "When we talk about the kind of team we want to be, you have to practice that way," Pettine said. "It's hard, it's difficult. I can't tell that lie that we can be a certain way on the practice field and carry it on the game field. There are going to be times when it does boil over . . You look at that and it's the price of doing business. You don't like to see it. You're afraid somebody could potentially get hurt in it. It breaks up the rhythm of practice, but at times, it's going to happen." Tuesday marked the second day players were in full pads and it was easily the feistiest practice since camp opened Saturday. Whitner said Monday's pace and intensity were not up to his standards. That changed Tuesday. "Everybody thinks that fighting is bad, but fighting is not bad when you have helmets on and you're not throwing punches," he said. Emotions began to escalate during an inside-running drill in which ball carriers run between the tackles. Coaches want defenders to hit without tackling. When linebacker Eric Martin tossed Dion Lewis to the ground – a practice frowned upon by offensive players – the tone was set. A few minutes later, defenders stopped Tate's forward progress and kept trying to strip the ball from his grasp. The halfback whipped the ball at Rubin, sparking hostilities. "It is a little frustrating but I understand that they need to work," Tate said. "But you know it's a line and you know when they cross that line offensively we have gotta let them know that its not acceptable. So that is really what it was about just setting the tempo that, 'Hey, you are not going to bully us. You know what I am saying?' "Everybody's pro defense, defensive head coach but I am letting them know, 'It don't matter, ya'll not gonna bully us." Tate eventually shook hands with Rubin and gave him a hug, he said. "We're all teammates here, at the end of the day we all got the same mission," Tate said. "So its OK for it to go down just don't carry it over into the locker room." Here's how Whitner summed up the kerfuffle: "Throwing a football at somebody never killed anybody." http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._medium=twitter
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do teams have to do a injury report in preseason or is it just the regular season? just want to know whats up with winn, greco, and taylor.
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Charlie Casserly said the Browns QB would be in next years draft. He wasn't impressed with either guy today for what its worth.
Well given that he's the QB evaluator that brought us both David Carr and Heath Shuler, we're truly screwed.
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do teams have to do a injury report in preseason or is it just the regular season? just want to know whats up with winn, greco, and taylor.
I want to know what's going on with this Pinkston situation.No one will say a damned thing.
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Charlie Casserly said the Browns QB would be in next years draft. He wasn't impressed with either guy today for what its worth.
Well given that he's the QB evaluator that brought us both David Carr and Heath Shuler, we're truly screwed.
After 2 hours, Casserly has made that judgement? What a nut job, talking aboluit living off your past glory... 
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I want to know what's going on with this Pinkston situation.No one will say a damned thing.
Ya, very quiet.
Well, Pinkston did say it wasn't any legal issues and he wasn't considering retiring... odd thing to say. Really seems like it has to be some sort of health issue again... has to be. It's a shame. I wish him the best.
Regardless what happens we will eventually find out what is happening... don't know why it's so important to keep it hush hush right now.
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Run D recognized Defensive lineman Ahtyba Rubin will get to play down, dirty and near the ball in the Browns’ new defense, coach Mike Pettine said Tuesday after the fourth full-squad practice of training camp. There’s definitely a reason for it. “We’re going to get him down close to the ball, either right over the center or shaded either way and let him do what he does best, which is control blockers and get off blocks and make plays,” Pettine said. “He’s as good as I’ve had in this system as far as his technique in defending the run.” Rubin embraces Pettine’s expectations. “I’m going to try to go out there and prove him right,” Rubin said. “I’m just trying to work on my craft every week and every time I touch the field.” It wouldn’t be surprising to see Rubin and teammate Phil Taylor lined up together at times, but they will also likely rotate at nose tackle. “Nose was like my first start and then I can play anywhere, end, tackle,” Rubin said. “I think I rotate around. Anybody on the D-line can play any position, so where they put me in, I’ll do my thing.” Fresh legs on the line could go a long way toward correcting issues the Browns’ defense had with closing out games last season. “Those guys need to be fresh. I think it’s very difficult to be effective as a D-lineman and play every snap,” Pettine said. “I think you have to take a committee approach, and the nice thing about how we’re training them is that they learn to play all the inside positions.” Circle the date Should rookie Johnny Manziel become the Browns’ starting quarterback before Nov. 30, Browns fans should highlight that date on their calendar to see if the 5-foot-11 ¾ , 210-pound former Heisman Trophy winner exacts some revenge on the Buffalo Bills, Cleveland’s opponent for that Sunday. It won’t be for anything a current Bills player said. It’ll be because of what soon-to-be Hall of Famer, Andre Reed, a former Bills receiver said about Manziel. The incident involved a positive tweet Manziel sent when he learned LeBron James would return to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Manziel referred to James as “my guy” in the tweet. “Who the f--- is Johnny Manziel?” Reed reportedly said in a New York Magazine article. “LeBron ain’t your guy! You’re not ‘Johnny Football.’ You’re ‘Johnny Rookie B----’” Reed also suggested Manziel wouldn’t have been welcome in Buffalo if the Bills had drafted him. “They’d boo that motherf----- outta here,” Reed said. “The fans would put him in his place.” High-priced fashion The jersey that Manziel wore during his Heisman Trophy season in 2012 is expected to fetch, $100,000 at auction, according to an ESPN report. The auction house, SCP Auctions, has authenticated the jersey, which Manziel signed with his name and stats from the season. The jersey will be on display at the National Sports Collectors Convention at Cleveland’s I-X Center Wednesday through Sunday. Remaining upbeat Given his situation, running back Dion Lewis could have every reason to be down. On the cusp of being a big part of the Browns’ offense under the former regime, he went down with a broken leg in the preseason last year. Now, he must impress a new coaching staff and front office after being sidelined for much of the offseason. “ just got to work hard. My confidence never went down,” Lewis, 5-8 and 195-pounds, said. “I just rehabbed hard and I worked hard in this offseason to learn this playbook, and I’m comfortable now. So just got to do whatever the coaches ask of you and take coaching kindly and just keep pushing.”
Lewis showed during camp last year that he possessed the ability to run and catch the football, which, along with his speed, made him an appealing addition to the Browns.
“I’m a lot different than those guys,” he said of the other running backs on the roster. “They’re bigger than me and stronger. I’m more of a quick guy, make you miss and I think that’s what separates myself.”
Still the competition is stiff with the additions of free-agent acquisition Ben Tate and rookies Terrance West and Isaiah Crowell. Lewis isn’t worried.
“Every year since I’ve been in the NFL, this is my fourth year, there’s always been eight running backs in camp and every year I’ve been competing with the best of them,” he said. “So having more backs, that’s just more motivation to just compete. No matter where you go they’re going to bring in guys to replace you every year, that’s how the NFL is.”
More work needed
Wide receiver Miles Austin isn’t close to being ready to pat himself on the back, despite a strong start in the early days of training camp.
“Probably not in my opinion,” Austin said about whether he’s gotten off to a good start. “I feel good physically, which is a positive thing, I think is the most important thing regardless of what the actual results are for me. But I just want to continue to get more and more reps, more and more plays, know the offense more and more and just continue to work on my technique. So that’s my main goal.”
Whether Austin, 6-2 and 215-pounds, who signed as a free agent after eight years with the Dallas Cowboys, is willing to concede he’s shown some things thus far in camp, the fact is he has. Depending on what happens with Gordon and his appeal, a healthy Austin could represent a key to success.
With the Cowboys, he caught 301 balls for 4,481 yards and 34 touchdowns. He also made two appearances in the Pro Bowl (2009, 2010), but chronic hamstring problems limited his play last season and production dipped precipitously. Eventually he found himself on the open market.
Making preparations
Members of the University of Akron athletics facilities staff were spotted in Berea Tuesday. Paul Hammond, associate athletics director for facilities and operations, and Alan Hoon, manager for Stile Field House, along with members of the UA security team were there to discuss and finalize logistics for the team’s Family Day scrimmage at InfoCision Stadium on Saturday morning.
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“We’re going to get him down close to the ball, either right over the center or shaded either way and let him do what he does best, which is control blockers and get off blocks and make plays,” Pettine said. “He’s as good as I’ve had in this system as far as his technique in defending the run.”
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It does mention in that report you posted (thank you, btw), that he's a bit of a plodder (I'm paraphrasing), and I remember hearing/reading that from before, which is why I made the initial comment.
But it also says in the report that he played some tackle, and could possibly even fill in in a pinch.
These two statements seem somewhat contradictory to me.
I am glad you brought this up. I was going to say something about it earlier, but decided not to.
I think a lot of reports, such as Gilkey's, are referring to a guy's feet when talking about him as a LT. Putting him at guard changes how we should be looking at feet.
steve----thanks for the information. I had a feeling you would have something.
I'll try and watch Gilkey during preseason and tell you guys what I think. I remember some from last year. I didn't think he was as bad as most said he was, but I don't think he was as good as anarchy and others are saying he is, this year. I think .....ahhh, I don't really remember well enough to comment. I'll watch him this preseason. I promise.
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I would say that the offense was likely ready to release some frustration. The defense most definitely had the better day Tuesday. Coach Pettine would say after practice that while you don’t like to see these skirmishes, sometimes it can be good for one unit of side of the ball to stick up for each other, to avoid being bullied around at practice.
No kidding?
The defense is way more talented than the offense. The offense better practice martial arts if they wanna stop being bullied, because they are going to get their butts kicked every day.
Oh, and when some shill like those two guys writing for the Browns say that the O got the better of the D in the near future........I wouldn't really buy into it.
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I want to know what's going on with this Pinkston situation.No one will say a damned thing.
Ya, very quiet.
Well, Pinkston did say it wasn't any legal issues and he wasn't considering retiring... odd thing to say. Really seems like it has to be some sort of health issue again... has to be. It's a shame. I wish him the best.
Regardless what happens we will eventually find out what is happening... don't know why it's so important to keep it hush hush right now.
That's what got me curious.All the.."On the QT,and very hush,hush"...business.
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Defensive lineman Ahtyba Rubin will get to play down, dirty and near the ball in the Browns’ new defense, coach Mike Pettine said Tuesday after the fourth full-squad practice of training camp. There’s definitely a reason for it.
“We’re going to get him down close to the ball, either right over the center or shaded either way and let him do what he does best, which is control blockers and get off blocks and make plays,” Pettine said. “He’s as good as I’ve had in this system as far as his technique in defending the run.”
Good news. I never understood why Horton put Taylor there last year. I was almost positive that Taylor was going to play DE in that defense and Reubin would be the NT, but it never materialized.
Hopefully, Pettine and company have more of a clue. You don't ever want a undisciplined and poorly conditioned player like Taylor at NT.
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Given his situation, running back Dion Lewis could have every reason to be down.
On the cusp of being a big part of the Browns’ offense under the former regime, he went down with a broken leg in the preseason last year. Now, he must impress a new coaching staff and front office after being sidelined for much of the offseason.
I hope that he gets a fair chance. I kinda doubt it, though. He's not their guy.
I have said this before and I will say it again. I wish we would not have brought in Tate. I would rather roll w/West, Baker, Lewis, and Crowell.
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But if Gilkey is there at RG, we would definitely have THE FASTEST OL in the NFL eotab
This will be good especially if we can have some solid Oline backups. Every year we have a mid-season Oline injury that kills our weak offense.
The RBs should prosper if we can get good blocking from Grey to help spring Tate or Baker or Lewis. It seems we could have a good team if only they can work together. Can the coaches make this into a team?
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He's not their guy.
everyone keeps saying things like this but.... it isn't like farmer wasn't here last year and have a say on players we brought in.
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