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I think the argument has to be the flawed testing system. How can any "justice" or punishment come down to the flip of a coin?
If the other sample gets tested first and comes back at 13 ng - under the limit - no-one is even talking about this. That's just flat wrong.
I've also seen print that stated the NFL was looking to increase it's threshold for THC to either 50ng (as per US military) or 150ng (per world athletics body)..... how could the NFL conceivably be staring down the barrel of an inconsistent test result AND a test result that will be half od it's proposed future threshold.
Lunacy.
The 50ng/ml for the US military is only for the immuno-assay screening test. The GCMS is still set at 15ng/ml.
WADA is a little different because they don't outlaw out of competition marijuana use. The high limit has nothing to do with secondhand smoke. They just don't want the athletes showing up and competing while high.
wada thc Decision Limit 19 ng/mL
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in black and white from there website. the 150 is the screen.
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Just my opinion ; but no matter what the verdict , the NFL and especially Goodjoke will have EGG on their face for the way this has been handled ..
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I think the argument has to be the flawed testing system. How can any "justice" or punishment come down to the flip of a coin?
If the other sample gets tested first and comes back at 13 ng - under the limit - no-one is even talking about this. That's just flat wrong.
I've also seen print that stated the NFL was looking to increase it's threshold for THC to either 50ng (as per US military) or 150ng (per world athletics body)..... how could the NFL conceivably be staring down the barrel of an inconsistent test result AND a test result that will be half od it's proposed future threshold.
Lunacy.
The 50ng/ml for the US military is only for the immuno-assay screening test. The GCMS is still set at 15ng/ml.
WADA is a little different because they don't outlaw out of competition marijuana use. The high limit has nothing to do with secondhand smoke. They just don't want the athletes showing up and competing while high.
wada thc Decision Limit 19 ng/mL
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/World_...bstances-EN.pdf
in black and white from there website. the 150 is the screen.
No, that is old. It was raised in May 2013 and the new one is a very reasonable approach to MJ testing for athletes. They are just different in that the NFL wants to crack down on MJ use in and out of competition and WADA doesn't ban out of competition use.
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I think the argument has to be the flawed testing system. How can any "justice" or punishment come down to the flip of a coin?
If the other sample gets tested first and comes back at 13 ng - under the limit - no-one is even talking about this. That's just flat wrong.
I've also seen print that stated the NFL was looking to increase it's threshold for THC to either 50ng (as per US military) or 150ng (per world athletics body)..... how could the NFL conceivably be staring down the barrel of an inconsistent test result AND a test result that will be half od it's proposed future threshold.
Lunacy.
The 50ng/ml for the US military is only for the immuno-assay screening test. The GCMS is still set at 15ng/ml.
WADA is a little different because they don't outlaw out of competition marijuana use. The high limit has nothing to do with secondhand smoke. They just don't want the athletes showing up and competing while high.
wada thc Decision Limit 19 ng/mL
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/World_...bstances-EN.pdf
in black and white from there website. the 150 is the screen.
No, that is old. It was raised in May 2013 and the new one is a very reasonable approach to MJ testing for athletes. They are just different in that the NFL wants to crack down on MJ use in and out of competition and WADA doesn't ban out of competition use.
lmao. old. that's when it was changed. wasn't big news until the winter games came out.
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If it's a year, it's going to put Gordon behind in training camp going into 2015 at this point.
It's a joke that it's taken this long.
From what I understand, when it's a year, they call it "indefinite but up to a year" or something like that. Which means that after 8 or 9 months, Gordon will ask for reinstatement and if he's been a good boy, will likely be able to start team activities in the preseason the same time as everybody else.
Which makes sense, they don't care if he misses practice, that doesn't send a message. Missing games sends a message.
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I think the wording is more : Indefinite but at least a year.
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The decision came back in May, when WADA voted to raise the previous threshold of 15 nanograms per milliliter to 150 grams per milliliter. The decision was made in order to minimize cases where out-of-competition marijuana consumption yielded a false positive in competition testing. As the drug laws in many countries, including 14 U.S. states, grow more lax, the potential for such false positives rises, along with the risk of coloring an athlete's reputation.
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WADA raised the threshold for a positive test for marijuana from 15 nanograms per milliliter to 150 nanograms per milliliter, significantly reducing the likelihood of detection for athletes who use the drug.
“We wanted to focus on the athletes that abuse the substance in competition,” said Julie Masse, WADA’s director of communications. “This should exclude cases where marijuana is not used in competition.”
Although marijuana is not considered a performance-enhancing drug, WADA included it on its initial list of prohibited substances in 2003 after caving in to pressure from U.S. sports officials.
“From a sports perspective, I was rather ambivalent (toward marijuana),” stated Richard Pound, an attorney who was WADA’s initial chief and still serves on the Foundation Board. “As we morphed into WADA, the USA was very keen to have it included.”
Although marijuana thresholds and testing are vague indicatives rather than precise measurements of use, WADA hopes that the new limit will lessen the chance that responsible recreational users will suffer disciplinary action. In recent years, a number of athletes, some of them legitimate medical marijuana patients, have faced suspensions and huge fines failing post-competition marijuana tests.
“There is no desire to go soft on the list,” WADA’s Athlete Committee announced, “but members want cheaters to be caught for cheating, not for recreational usage.”
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WADA recently amended its rules on cannabis, raising the threshold for a positive test from 15 nanograms per milliliter to 150 ng/ml. In 1998 at the Nagano Games, Rebagliati recorded a level of 17.8 ng/ml, and argued the test resulted from second-hand smoke, which he still says. Ben Nichols, a spokesperson for WADA, said the raising of the threshold is meant to catch only athletes who smoke during the period of a competition. The drug isn't prohibited out of competition.
"Our information suggests that many cases do not involve game or event-day consumption," Nichols said. "The new threshold level is an attempt to ensure that in-competition use is detected and not use during the days and weeks before competition."
Raising the threshold level to 150 nanograms per milliliter means that an athlete would have to be a "pretty dedicated cannabis consumer" to test positive, according to Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML).
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What to expect if Josh Gordon loses his appeal This is a blog so I hope its allowed here. This guy lays out what Gordon "should" do if he loses his appeal. Very interesting read.
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Thanks. I was wondering if something like that could happen, and what they might be negotiating for. "Reduce the suspension and we won't drag this out in state court". The NFL is already in the bad spotlight with the Ray Rice suspension, more bad press is not what they need.
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Very good read. Does not sound like Josh should have any problem finding a judge to grant a delay while the courts battle it out. I hope he plays all of 2014.
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This is a blog so I hope its allowed here. This guy lays out what Gordon "should" do if he loses his appeal. Very interesting read.
I had no idea that there was a state law that would supersede NFL rules. I thought that NFL rules, under collective bargaining, were the final word. Interesting to find that they well might not be.
Looks liek Josh has options even if he loses his appeal ..... which I am more and more convinced that he will not.
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This is a blog so I hope its allowed here. This guy lays out what Gordon "should" do if he loses his appeal. Very interesting read.
That argument could fall apart because as I read the state law, the 'A' test is actually the confirmation test. Remember there is the initial screening test that was positive, then the A test is the more specific test that was also positive. The process could stop there but the players also have the option (it's not automatic) to have the B sample tested, and that only has to show traces of the substance.
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The decision came back in May, when WADA voted to raise the previous threshold of 15 nanograms per milliliter to 150 grams per milliliter. The decision was made in order to minimize cases where out-of-competition marijuana consumption yielded a false positive in competition testing. As the drug laws in many countries, including 14 U.S. states, grow more lax, the potential for such false positives rises, along with the risk of coloring an athlete's reputation.
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WADA raised the threshold for a positive test for marijuana from 15 nanograms per milliliter to 150 nanograms per milliliter, significantly reducing the likelihood of detection for athletes who use the drug.
“We wanted to focus on the athletes that abuse the substance in competition,” said Julie Masse, WADA’s director of communications. “This should exclude cases where marijuana is not used in competition.”
Although marijuana is not considered a performance-enhancing drug, WADA included it on its initial list of prohibited substances in 2003 after caving in to pressure from U.S. sports officials.
“From a sports perspective, I was rather ambivalent (toward marijuana),” stated Richard Pound, an attorney who was WADA’s initial chief and still serves on the Foundation Board. “As we morphed into WADA, the USA was very keen to have it included.”
Although marijuana thresholds and testing are vague indicatives rather than precise measurements of use, WADA hopes that the new limit will lessen the chance that responsible recreational users will suffer disciplinary action. In recent years, a number of athletes, some of them legitimate medical marijuana patients, have faced suspensions and huge fines failing post-competition marijuana tests.
“There is no desire to go soft on the list,” WADA’s Athlete Committee announced, “but members want cheaters to be caught for cheating, not for recreational usage.”
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WADA recently amended its rules on cannabis, raising the threshold for a positive test from 15 nanograms per milliliter to 150 ng/ml. In 1998 at the Nagano Games, Rebagliati recorded a level of 17.8 ng/ml, and argued the test resulted from second-hand smoke, which he still says. Ben Nichols, a spokesperson for WADA, said the raising of the threshold is meant to catch only athletes who smoke during the period of a competition. The drug isn't prohibited out of competition.
"Our information suggests that many cases do not involve game or event-day consumption," Nichols said. "The new threshold level is an attempt to ensure that in-competition use is detected and not use during the days and weeks before competition."
Raising the threshold level to 150 nanograms per milliliter means that an athlete would have to be a "pretty dedicated cannabis consumer" to test positive, according to Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML).
yea. and that's for the screen test. you test at 150 on the confirm test you will be comatose. lmao. and by the way. neither was from the WADA web site.
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I believe that the initial test is the same on the A and B samples. They test the A sample, and then if it is over the limit, then they perform the same test on the B sample, and if it shows any trace of the banned substance, then the guilty test is shown to be upheld.
So, if he tested at 15.00000001 on the A test, then they did the same test on the B sample, and it showed 1.00000000002, then even though the B sample would hardly show any of the banned substance at all, as long as it shows any, the initial test is upheld.
They then may do other tests after the initial test, maybe a blood test, I'm not sure .... but I was under the impression that the tests on the A and B samples are the same kind of test. Other tests may be ordered as a result of those results, but those 2 samples are subject to the same procedure. That is the whole point of an A and B sample.
The NFL really needs to renegotiate their drug testing rules, because they have some really asinine rules right now.
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That argument could fall apart because as I read the state law, the 'A' test is actually the confirmation test. Remember there is the initial screening test that was positive, then the A test is the more specific test that was also positive.
I don't know. The way I read that is, If Any Part of the Sample is Neg. then the whole part has to be considered Neg.
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This is a blog so I hope its allowed here. This guy lays out what Gordon "should" do if he loses his appeal. Very interesting read.
Good read. I don't know if any of that is valid, but I'd hopw so for our and Gordon's case.
Whats funny, I remember being upset the Williams brothers were allowed to play...and here I'm hoping Gordon's lawyers pull the same thing (drag it through court and delay a possible suspension for two years).
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Good read. I don't know if any of that is valid, but I'd hopw so for our and Gordon's case.
Whats funny, I remember being upset the Williams brothers were allowed to play...and here I'm hoping Gordon's lawyers pull the same thing (drag it through court and delay a possible suspension for two years).
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yea. and that's for the screen test. you test at 150 on the confirm test you will be comatose. lmao. and by the way. neither was from the WADA web site.
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Threshold: 150ng/ml, DL 180ng/ml
If you can show me where that is the screening test and there is a different limit for the confirmation test, please share. It can be hard to track this stuff down.
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That argument could fall apart because as I read the state law, the 'A' test is actually the confirmation test. Remember there is the initial screening test that was positive, then the A test is the more specific test that was also positive.
I don't know. The way I read that is, If Any Part of the Sample is Neg. then the whole part has to be considered Neg.
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Under Ohio law (Ohio Code 123:1-76-07), only “specimens which test negative on the initial test or negative on the confirmatory test shall be reported as negative.”
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positive on immunoassay test, yes
confirmed by a GCMS test, yes
doesn't say anything about a B GCMS test. At best there is some ambiguity, at worst you could say that banned substance to detectable limits as described in the NFL policy is also a failed test.
In any case, we should find out soon. I'm not a lawyer and between reading the NBA's salary cap and the NFL's drug testing policy, I've read enough legalese for a while.
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According to this article we should find out what's up with Gordon's suspension sometime "in a week or so." (I was hoping for RIGHT NOW  .) 'Josh Gordon hearing concludes' http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/04/josh-gordon-hearing-concludes/Posted by Mike Florio on August 4, 2014, 3:14 PM EDT After 9.5 hours on Friday and another three on Monday, the hearing on Josh Gordon’s appeal of a one-year suspension has concluded. Under the substance-abuse policy, a ruling must be issued by hearing officer Harold Henderson within a “reasonable time.” The current expectation is that a decision will come in a week or so. Until a ruling is issued, it’s possible that the two sides will work out an agreement that would impose something less than a year but more than zero games. Without a settlement, the rules contemplate an all-or-nothing decision from Henderson. Meanwhile, Gordon remains eligible to participate in training camp and preseason games. If he is suspended for a year, the decision becomes immediate and final. (end)
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I might be jumping the gun, but if this drags out much longer, I would ask a judge to suspend the ruling until such time as a court case could be made. Like in 2015
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Threshold: 150ng/ml, DL 180ng/ml
If you can show me where that is the screening test and there is a different limit for the confirmation test, please share. It can be hard to track this stuff down.
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Man... I don't know if it's just me or whatever, but it seems like years and years ago since this was first brought to the attention of the fans. And guess what, WE'RE STILL WAITING! 
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This is a blog so I hope its allowed here. This guy lays out what Gordon "should" do if he loses his appeal. Very interesting read.
Good read. I don't know if any of that is valid, but I'd hopw so for our and Gordon's case.
Whats funny, I remember being upset the Williams brothers were allowed to play...and here I'm hoping Gordon's lawyers pull the same thing (drag it through court and delay a possible suspension for two years).
Personally, I would rather have Gordon suspended this year than in 2015 or 2016. We are quite unlikely to win the Superbowl this year. Give our young qb's and rookie HC a couple year's under their belts and we could be serious contenders.
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How about... like... tomorrow? lol
lol I feel the same!
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j/c This is all making more sense now. I think Gordon will avoid the year ban when all is said and done.  The hearings have taken far too long for this to be an open and shut case. We've heard much of the evidence and are now aware of how tenuous it is and we also are aware of Gordon's legal recourse should the NFL rule harshly against him. Now we are hearing that it could be 1-3 weeks before we get a final resolution even though the hearings are over. Why? Because the NFL knows they are in a bad spot and there is only 1 way to save face. They HAVE to get Gordon to reach a settlement with them. IF they can get Gordon to compromise and agree to say 4-8 games they will come out looking "ok". The player will have agreed with the decision which will take quite a bit of the wind out of the sails of those that want to bash the NFL. Sure the bashing will still happen but you won't have Gordon and his lawyers publicly criticizing them. In fact you'll have the opposite so the media storm will start to die down and the NFL can move on. Clearly Gordon's legal team knows this and is probably pushing hard for just throwing out the test. The NFL doesn't want to look too weak though so I can't see them going that far. The arbitrator probably didn't give Gordon or the NFL any inkling as to how he'd rule and probably simply told them that neither of them would like his ruling so they better work it out themselves... hence the 1-3 weeks we've heard. Just what I'm thinking...
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Maybe the early Bye week is a blessing???? He'll get banned a number of weeks and not games ??? Just thinking out loud.
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Yep, too bad that Gordon just didn't man-up and admit that he made a mistake. Instead, we get a million reasons why Gordon is the victim and why the NFL is awful and why Goodall should be fired. 
I see this in schools all the time. Certain kids break rule after rule after rule. Who gets punished? The other kids, the teachers, and sometimes even the schools themselves.
It's always the fault of someone else.
How about this: if Gordon didn't break the rules, none of this would even be an issue. Why isn't the NFL picking on Joe Thomas? On Ben Tate? On Mingo? On Skrine?
I'm sorry, but the attitudes of Brown's fans on this thread displacing the blame from the guilty to the NFL is disturbing and disgusting. The entire thing was worked out between the NFL and NFLPA. There is a very BIG reason that the players agreed to stricter marijuana testing. You guys realize that, right? PEDS.
But, bring up Ray Rice again. Because two wrongs always makes a right. Let's let a murderer go free because he just shot a guy whereas the other guy stabbed the victim repeatedly. Let's let a rapist go because one guy raped a nun and the other guy raped a woman who wore provocative clothing. Get outta here. The players negotiated what the penalties were and now all of a sudden we want to ignore them because this guy is on our team.
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I see this in schools all the time. Certain kids break rule after rule after rule. Who gets punished? The other kids, the teachers, and sometimes even the schools themselves.
It's always the fault of someone else.
But, bring up Ray Rice again. Because two wrongs always makes a right. Let's let a murderer go free because he just shot a guy whereas the other guy stabbed the victim repeatedly. Let's let a rapist go because one guy raped a nun and the other guy raped a woman who wore provocative clothing. Get outta here. The players negotiated what the penalties were and now all of a sudden we want to ignore them because this guy is on our team.
So, Vers, you would have been okay with the justice system running its course with OJ Simpson when they finally pulled over AC and put OJ directly in jail for murder, no trial, no jury? There is still such a thing as due process and regardless of the rules, there is something amiss with this sample.
If Josh Gordon punched a woman out, I would say that he should get a lengthy suspension (and I'm a huge Browns' fan). But, there wasn't enough evidence to PROVE that Rice did what we can all assume that he did. If Rice peed in a cup and there was a discrepancy, I would say he is getting a raw deal based on the fact that there may be reasonable doubt that the test is flawed. Criminal justice system vs. crappy rules.
My dad was a teacher for 41 years, he saw the change in blame. I work in education and I see the same. There will always be those that are favored and break rules time and again.
I don't think anyone is arguing that he screwed up and might need help (blame on Gordon), but merely make a statement as to the validity of the test.
"If the pee don't fit, you must acquit."
Right or wrong, logical or counter-intuitive. The man deserves the consideration.
For the record, I thought that OJ was guilty until proven innocent, when it's supposed to be the other way around.
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Mary Kay Cabot is reporting Browns Josh Gordon expecting a decision on suspension appeal in one to three weeks. ‪#‎CLE‬
One to three weeks?!?!?!?!
How about... like... tomorrow? lol
lol I feel the same!
Lord have mercy. Up to THREE weeks?!? That's too long a wait!
I guess that means I can quit checkin' on my computer for updates for awhile....
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Look man.................it's obvious that I disagree w/the majority. I am not TRYING to change your mind. However, I don't know if it is such a BAD thing if 30 posts in a row talk about how wrong the NFL is and how Gordon is a victim and then there is just ONE post about how Gordon would not be in this position if hadn't broken the rules repeatedly.
And if people do have a problem w/hearing a dissenting opinion.........well, I really don't care. If people can say stupid crap like Goodall should be fired or Josh is innocent, than I can say things like Josh would NOT be in this position if he did not break the rules over and over and over. It was NOT a one-time thing.
Btw-------------did you see Rice hit the woman? I didn't. And reportedly, she was waylaying him over and over and over until he finally had enough. Does that excuse him hitting her? Maybe not, but let's not act like he is just beats the crap out of woman all the time and for no reason.
I had a friend who was a very tough guy. Never hit a woman in his life. He got married. His wife was psycho b.......... She comes after him w/a large knife. He is thinking no way she stabs me, but puts his hands up. She slashes one of his arms as she aims for his throat. So, he decked her w/one punch. Was he wrong? According to society he was, but I knew the witch. She was big, she was strong, and she was crazy. None of you were in that elevator. You don't know exactly what happened or the history between the two. What we do know is that Gordon has broken the rules and the law time after time after time. He ain't no victim and blaming the NFL for his own problems is irresponsible and just plain wrong...............you know...............in my opinion.
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Never said you were wrong and self defense seems like a reasonable defense for your buddy.
There are two sides to every story, but what Rice did harmed another individual. Did she have a knife or the upper hand? From the video, most would surmise not...
I have never said that Gordon is without blame. However, thing play out differently in real life than in the NFL. If his defense team was on its game, this wouldn't make it past the grand jury.
Again, Ray Rice cold-cocked his girlfriend and entered a "program" to avoid charges. Two game suspension for a 230 lb man knocking out a woman.
Josh Gordon, 70 passed tests, one that has discrepancies, and entered a "program" might be suspended for the year.
Is it really that difficult to comprehend why we Browns' fans have rallied around him?
Weed or assault?
I'll pick weed every time.
Repeat offender? Sure. Who has he harmed other than himself?
Stupid? Yes, he could cost himself a career.
But...... I can't get past 70 passed test before a 15% variance.
If he plays, I will root for the Browns. If he does not, I will root for the Browns...
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You're going to the one of select few people happy if Gordon gets a one year ban. Very select few.
Look, I'm not advocating his actions. If you've followed me, I had many negative things to say including the thought of possible release. But the fact is, he can't stay outta the trouble when away from the facility. I'm not sure suspending him for a year is what is better for him as a person, and as a player.
He's a young kid with abnormal talent that has made some mistakes... when you were his age, didn't you make mistakes man? Throw in a ton of money, and don't you think you'd likely have made more mistakes?
We need to support him, not wish for him to be crucified bro.
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Again, I am NOT trying to change your mind. I am only voicing my opinion, which I am entitled to do.
I will say that there are catch words being thrown around like they are factual. Cold-cocked is one of them. She was trying to beat the crap out of him. She was punching him, kicking him, etc. Repeatedly. He finally had enough and decked her. People are acting like he just punched her because they were arguing. That isn't true.
The other thing that I question...and I really don't know the answer to this one---is exactly where is the "70 passed tests in a row" coming from? The NFL? I doubt that. If I am wrong, I will apologize in advance. But seriously, WHO said he "passed 70 tests in a row?"
If that isn't exactly what was said, or if it is Gordon's attorneys and agent saying that......well, perhaps we should not presume that it is a fact. You see, having played sports and coached sports, I have been around a lot of guys like Gordon. He failed a test at Baylor, which means he was probably messing up quite a bit and the team overlooked all of those other transgressions. So, he fails one and knows he can't fail another, but what does he do? He fails another and gets kicked out of college. He gets another chance at Utah AFTER being kicked out of Baylor and fails another. Okay.....I am seeing a pattern here. He then comes into the NFL and fails at least one, maybe two tests in his rookie year. The pattern continues. He then claims it was cough medicine. LOL...alright. In the meantime, he continues to pile up traffic violations. In and of themselves, they are no big deal........but, when you combine them w/his other transgressions, one gets the sense that this guy really has no respect for authority. So, he gets a 2 game suspension and docked 4 games pay. What's he do..........he fails another test. Was the test close to passing? Yes, but he still failed it. Why smoke anything? Oh yeah, it was second hand smoke...LOL...now, I am thinking he is a liar. The pattern continues. So, instead of being on his best behavior, he gets pulled over for speeding w/four dudes in the car and the police find marijuana. A passenger claims it was his...how convenient...and of course, Josh wasn't smoking. LOL...the pattern continues. Okay, that is pretty darn stupid, but instead of learning his lesson, he goes to NC and hangs out w/a convicted felon who has been convicted of gun charges, drug charges, and fraud. He gets a DUI. The pattern continues.
Man............are you kidding me? It's a pattern of behavior that tells me he is guilty.
You guys can blame the NFL and Goodall and try and deflect the blame to Rice, but the facts are that Gordon has continually broken the rules and has not shown that he has changed his ways. I think it would be wrong to clear him of these charges.
And here is the biggest reason why: if he beats this one, I can almost guarantee that he will get busted again. I say it is better to face the music now, clean up his act, and be back w/our team when we actually have a shot at contending, because w/or w/out him.......we have NO shot this year.
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