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They were talking about it last night on NFLN.. seems like a good deal for the team and the player. It is basically a 2 year deal for $25 million, if he plays well and warrants continuing to be paid, it can be 6 years for $115 million. If he plays poorly the teams cost to cut him is minimal.
Also made a good point that yes, he hasn't played well in the post season but he has gotten the Bengals to the playoffs 3 years in a row for the first time ever...
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Way too much. I will choke for half that in playoffs. I think he priced himself out of a job. 
He's got more guaranteed money than Romo did... take away Green and would Dalton even been able to produce in regular season? Questionable...
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Take away a lot of QBs top weapons and they wouldn't look as good. What would Russell Wilson look like without Marshawn Lynch?
He has A.J. Green.
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What would Russell Wilson look like without Marshawn Lynch?
Probably not much different.
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What would Russell Wilson look like without Marshawn Lynch?
Probably not much different.
So if the Seahawks couldn't run the ball as well they did, Wilson's play action game would be the same?
(The answer is no.)
Obviously Wilson is better than Dalton, but a player's teammates are what help make the player.
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The Bengals have way, way more offensive talent than Seattle. The Seahawks have Lynch and Wilson. Their WRs and TEs are not even in the same ballpark as the Bengals.' Seattle has the most overrated OL in the league. Wilson gets very little time to throw. It's a darn good thing his mobility buys him a lot of time, because if they had anyone else back there, they'd be in trouble.
Btw-------------when did Seattle really start becoming a dominant team? When Lynch got there or when Wilson got there?
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The Bengals have way, way more offensive talent than Seattle. The Seahawks have Lynch and Wilson. Their WRs and TEs are not even in the same ballpark as the Bengals.' Seattle has the most overrated OL in the league. Wilson gets very little time to throw. It's a darn good thing his mobility buys him a lot of time, because if they had anyone else back there, they'd be in trouble.
Btw-------------when did Seattle really start becoming a dominant team? When Lynch got there or when Wilson got there?
Once young Mr Wilson showed up, and took the job away from the veteran the Seahawks signed (Flynn) to hold down the job until the Hawks could find their guy.
Man, they got Lucky, and we got Weeden.  (and I thought/hoped that Weeden could succeed, and was worth a shot. I was wrong)
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It really wasn't luck. Most people who watched Wilson play at both NC State and Wisconsin could tell that he'd be great. You could also do basic math and realize a 28 year old rookie wouldn't be good.
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I actually wanted the Browns to take Wilson. I thought that he would be a solid backup QB .... hough I never, ever thought that he would be able to do what he has done in the NFL so far. I don't know too many who truly thought that he would be as good as he has been. he did get to play in a WCO offense in college (at Wisconsin, anyway) and appeared well suited to be a very good backup.
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What would Russell Wilson look like without Marshawn Lynch?
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So if the Seahawks couldn't run the ball as well they did, Wilson's play action game would be the same?
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Obviously Wilson is better than Dalton, but a player's teammates are what help make the player.
That's a different question than what you originally asked. I think if they had at least a serviceable RB that could bait into the play action they would be okay. Wilson did a LOT on his own. His biggest helper was probably his defense.
Vers' logic is sound here.
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I actually wanted the Browns to take Wilson. I thought that he would be a solid backup QB .... hough I never, ever thought that he would be able to do what he has done in the NFL so far. I don't know too many who truly thought that he would be as good as he has been. he did get to play in a WCO offense in college (at Wisconsin, anyway) and appeared well suited to be a very good backup.
Agreed. Most people - actually everyone - who made decisions on draft day passed on him in the first two rounds. You don't do that to a "good" QB, especially when you had Charlie Whitehurst starting the year before.
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It really wasn't luck. Most people who watched Wilson play at both NC State and Wisconsin could tell that he'd be great. You could also do basic math and realize a 28 year old rookie wouldn't be good.
Obviously there was some luck involved. If it was so obvious that he was going to be great he wouldn't have been passed over 74 times.
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I actually wanted the Browns to take Wilson. I thought that he would be a solid backup QB .... hough I never, ever thought that he would be able to do what he has done in the NFL so far. I don't know too many who truly thought that he would be as good as he has been. he did get to play in a WCO offense in college (at Wisconsin, anyway) and appeared well suited to be a very good backup.
And you also didn't think we would have to take him in the third to get him.
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Man, they got Lucky, and we got Weeden. (and I thought/hoped that Weeden could succeed, and was worth a shot. I was wrong)
No big deal. At least you admit it. We are all wrong from time to time, I just don't like the guys who don't admit it and then start ridiculing you about something else.
I have been wrong so many times..............I really thought Elton Brown was going to be the best guard in the league. I wanted us to draft him so bad. The guy was a dud and only started a handful of games for Arizona. I thought Jimmy Clauson was going to be a good QB. I wanted us to pick him in the second. Well, he obviously failed. I thought Robo was a solid pick. Loved his size, hands, and body positioning. He never materialized. I was dead wrong.
We're all wrong, bro. At least you admitted it. Not a big deal and I actually think more of you for doing so.
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It really wasn't luck. Most people who watched Wilson play at both NC State and Wisconsin could tell that he'd be great. You could also do basic math and realize a 28 year old rookie wouldn't be good.
Obviously there was some luck involved. If it was so obvious that he was going to be great he wouldn't have been passed over 74 times.
The myth that you need a 6'4 QB. Had he have came out when Doug Flutie came out he'd be the first pick overall.
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I actually wanted the Browns to take Wilson. I thought that he would be a solid backup QB .... hough I never, ever thought that he would be able to do what he has done in the NFL so far. I don't know too many who truly thought that he would be as good as he has been. he did get to play in a WCO offense in college (at Wisconsin, anyway) and appeared well suited to be a very good backup.
Yeah, I also didn't think he'd be an arguable top 5 QB in the league. I thought he could basically be what Colt McCoy was promised and a bit more.
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I had a ridiculous man crush on Justin Blackmon. While I think his talent is top notch, the kid is a headcase and can't stay on the field. Missed on that one.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Oh, I have to add this:
I never once pimped Wilson as a high draft choice. I loved the kid at NC State and Wisconsin, but he was so freaking small and I thought his arm was too weak.
I talked about him in the 4th-5th rounds, but I never once mentioned him in the top 3 rounds. It bothers me that I missed that one.
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I wanted no part of Blackmon either, but it wasn't necessarily because of off the feld stuff. (though I seem to recall that he had some, as did Watkins this year)
There were 3 players in the top of that 2012 draft who have had major problems ...... Richardson, Blackmon, and Claiborne, and I think that we were connected to each of those players prior t the draft. (as well as Tannehill, who has also been questionable so far)
Man I still wish that we would have moved up for RG3. We would have given up Trent, Weeden, Schwartz, and probably Mingo ...... but we would have had our QB. (3 1st rounders a d a 2nd)
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And not much more of a team  Harvard Sports Analysis or SmartFootball did a review of the trade and for that trade to be a good one then RG3 would have to have the same career - production wise as Dan Marino. The RG3 trade was a complete steal by the Rams.
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Harvard Sports Analysis or SmartFootball did a review of the trade and for that trade to be a good one then RG3 would have to have the same career - production wise as Dan Marino.
The RG3 trade was a complete steal by the Rams.
Really?
We would have given up Trent. Weeden, Mingo, and Schwartz. That was the deal ..... 3 firsts and a 2nd. Those are the players we drafted with those picks. I would have taken, and would take RG3 over that every day, including draft day of 2012.
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I also should add that they were able to sign receivers that other teams wanted, because those guys bought into the hype RG3 brought, and wanted to play with him. That brought Garcon to DC.
Imagine if we had RG3, Gordon, and Garcon .... to go along with Cameron. Whoa!
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Harvard Sports Analysis or SmartFootball did a review of the trade and for that trade to be a good one then RG3 would have to have the same career - production wise as Dan Marino.
The RG3 trade was a complete steal by the Rams.
Really?
We would have given up Trent. Weeden, Mingo, and Schwartz. That was the deal ..... 3 firsts and a 2nd. Those are the players we drafted with those picks. I would have taken, and would take RG3 over that every day, including draft day of 2012.
http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.c...rt-griffin-iii/
Also that's a bit unfair way to frame the picks. To make it comparable to the Rams trade we would have given up Trent/JFF (Transitive Property, yo!), Mingo, Schwartz, Gilbert. Those are 4/5 starters, depending on how you look at it. Considering RG3 hasn't exactly rocked the world as of now, I don't make that trade. I mean, would you consider the Rams to be in a better place now than the Redskins?
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Why Gilbert?
My scenario is 3 firsts and a 2nd ...... which is what the Rams got.
We wouldn't need Manziel. We still would have been able to trade up a spot for Gilbert.
RG3 was excellent as a rookie, and then hurt as a 2nd year player. I think that he bounces back big this year.
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Harvard Sports Analysis or SmartFootball did a review of the trade and for that trade to be a good one then RG3 would have to have the same career - production wise as Dan Marino.
The RG3 trade was a complete steal by the Rams.
Really?
We would have given up Trent. Weeden, Mingo, and Schwartz. That was the deal ..... 3 firsts and a 2nd. Those are the players we drafted with those picks. I would have taken, and would take RG3 over that every day, including draft day of 2012.
You can't do it that way. The fact that we made some poor picks in there isn't the "value" of those picks. If you look at the players we could have drafted with those picks. We could have just as easily taken Luke Kuechly, Dont'a Hightower, and Alshon Jeffries among others..
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Harvard Sports Analysis or SmartFootball did a review of the trade and for that trade to be a good one then RG3 would have to have the same career - production wise as Dan Marino.
The RG3 trade was a complete steal by the Rams.
Really?
We would have given up Trent. Weeden, Mingo, and Schwartz. That was the deal ..... 3 firsts and a 2nd. Those are the players we drafted with those picks. I would have taken, and would take RG3 over that every day, including draft day of 2012.
You can't do it that way. The fact that we made some poor picks in there isn't the "value" of those picks. If you look at the players we could have drafted with those picks. We could have just as easily taken Luke Kuechly, Dont'a Hightower, and Alshon Jeffries among others..
But we wouldn't have. We didn't. Also, we would have had our QB. I don;t think that Shurmur would have let him run crazy .... which might have been better for his long term health. (which is a fear I have with Manziel, that we will let him run too much and get hurt)
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Because we did offer the Redskins the 3 first and a 2nd. They didn't take it, because they wanted the future first round picks. That's why Gilbert is in there and not Weeden. Though, in a deal that would have been passed through, you probably would need to throw in 4 firsts and a 2nd. I was ecstatic that the trade fell through. The price is just way too high. The bad thing was Holmgren tried to save face and drafted a 27 year old QB to appease Lerner/the fans.
I mean, would you make this trade? RG3 for DT Michael Brockers, CB Janoris Jenkins, RB Isaiah Pead, G Rokevious Watkins, LB Alec Ogletree, WR Stedman Bailey, RB Zac Stacy, OT Greg Robinson.
I know the Rams kinda blew some picks there, but man that's a lot of talent for one guy.
As far as RG3 returning to form, eh, I'm slightly doubtful.
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It was reported that we held out the 2nd rounder, until the Skins offer was accepted, and then we tried to throw it in after the deal was done.
Holmgren thought that he was smarter than the room ... and he wasn't.
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Oh really? I thought it was because they thought they had a better shot than the 28th pick with another Redskins first round pick. The more you know.
Also, spot on about Holmgren. That dude was a clown.
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As of right now, I am not sold on RGIII. He really struggled last year when he was asked to read coverages. If he can't master that aspect of the game, he will be a guy w/tremendous ability who never lives up to it. A coach killer, so to speak.
Now, it might click for him, but he was awful last year. Oh...........and please don't show me stats. Throwing 17 out of 20 passes to WRs w/in a couple of yards of the LOS does pad the completion percentage.
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Back to Dalton ... Cincy just made a typical bungal mistake  
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Not really.
As much as I don't like Dalton, they can get out of that contract in two years. That's his leash...
This is a very FO- friendly contract.
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I mean by the time they figure he isn't "the man" there good players will be getting old 
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Oh I dinno about that.. I expect the bungles to take the AFC N this year.
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Steelers 35%
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