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Didn't see this being discussed...Brian Hoyer said, and quote:

"Kyle Shanahan in my helmet said 'you need to be able to get up, you have no other choice,'''

Thoughts? I guess they seriously wanted no part of JF returning to the field where I read he'd be able to if needed. Brian took a massive hit on that play. Massive...

EDIT, link:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/connor_shaw_may_start_at_quart.html

We suck

Can our players please stop saying things that make our organization and staff sound like people who won a contest?

Interesting take on that, Dawg_LB. I took it as, we don't want to burn a time out and we have to try to make a play.

Or, maybe it was just a ploy to use the "injury" excuse to pull the plug on Manziel and alleviate a little drama with the QB situation.

Hoyer is a lot tougher than most give him credit for. I wish he could just make like 2-3 more plays in a game and I would absolutely love the guy.

I wonder if they're trying to plug on him for the same reason.....

Interesting.

Forgive me, here is a link with the snippet, its at the end of the article:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/connor_shaw_may_start_at_quart.html

Sounds to me like straight forward encouragement. What's he supposed to say? "Don't worry, lay there, we'll send someone else in." If Hoyer could not have gone he wouldn't have made him...

That's what we need, straight forward encouragement from the guy who kept sending in RG3.

I have been reading several negative comments about Shanny lately.

All I can think is-----------here we go again.

Shanny is the best playcaller I have seen in Cleveland since Arians. Of course, the board hated that guy, too.

Shanny is one of the better play callers and play designers in the NFL. Please don't run this guy out of town!

I'm sure you can relax. Haslem isn't crazy enough to clean house twice in two years. So unless someone comes knocking on the door to offer him a HC job, odds are better than not he'll be here next year and we can go ahead and have our opinions without fear of causing calamity in the coaching ranks.

This could have been the fact that Manziel was actually injured (not playing this weekend means it was slightly more serious than some people thought, since many thought he was "faking") and Shaw was on the practice squad.

We didn't have a third option.

Perhaps the word "fickle" would be appropriate in this regard...

Glad to see you're reading my posts.

I like shanny but i absolutely hate with a passion designed QB runs. I think it is just stupid to put your QB more at risk. If a QB runs improvising thats one thing but the read option crap is just stupid at this level.

My question is, what happened to all the mis-direction plays that were working in both the running and passing game earlier in the year?

I also hate the fact that we never seem to throw to our backs. So many teams have luck with the swing pass from time to time. I know it was years ago, but Mack, Byner, Hoard, and others were awesome on those plays, and I have no reason to believe that our current backs couldn't be too. I don't want to run Shanny out of town, but to have totally jettisoned one offense for another so quickly has me hoping Pettine has/does sit down with him and straighten things out. If they had just put Manziel into the offense and added a few wrinkles, it would have seemed a better decision.

By 'minor tweaks' do you mean 'remove all other reads in a progression beyond the first'?

This is what I'm talking about when it comes to unrealistic expectations. You guys built the kid up like he was the best QB prospect we've ever had here. He wasn't. Not even close. He can't read even basic defenses, which is why we had to pull out the stupid offenses we've been running with him in there.

I think you need glass's , real thick ones !

Exactly. +1

Hardly believe I'm saying this to a Vers post but thank you! Totally agree.

I think Seattle ran 3 or 4 designed QB runs this week. To great effect. It would not shock me if Shanny was trying to channel JM into a Wilson sort of role. He would be the model for JM I would guess.

No, it can't be that. That would make way too much sense. Instead, let's try to make it into a story it isn't and create some kind of unnecessary controversy.

Exactly. It's more than likely that the offense had to change with JM in there.

This is all just angry, blathering nonsense.

The only point in which you try to make a rational argument is where you cite garbage time when we were down 20-3, and no, I'm not seeing a whole lot of evidence there to show that Manziel can make progressions on an NFL defense, even if you negate the fact that is was garbage time and Buffalo's D was on cruise control.

I just re=watched the highlights of his drive, and the vast majority of the time, he's making one read and throwing. I don't know how anyone could cite that as tangible evidence that he can comfortably move beyond a one read progression.

Take a deep breath and calm down.

I'm not a fan of Shanny's playcalling, but we couldn't just do what we were doing with 'minor tweaks'. Manziel can't read an NFL defense or comfortably go through progressions without panicking.

You can't just 'tweak' a playbook to accomodate that.

So then it may take him 4yrs to "develop", to me that means wasted 1st rnd pick. He may get it in time to leave to a bigger media center. I think Shaw will show a better grasp of NFL offense, if we run one.

Keep Shanny for sure. Tweak his game prep. Demand improvement in red zone selection. I think he is open to adjusting. He is so good he gets in his own way. I, for one, have criticized his calls, and also been critical even moreso, of what we rarely or never see. Does little to get people out of the box. But he is among the NFL's best, and certainly better than most we have had.

New team, piles of injuries, many substitutions and replacements this season. This coaching staff did a stellar job of troubleshooting, just to take the field, and they were competitive. This staff has upside if somebody will drive that piston hard. But I am really impressed we got the wins we did.

Hate the winnable losses, coaches are not sacred cows above question. But they are also moving in this better direction.

Just win.

j/c:

I don't get all the Shanahan hate. Our play calling was some of the most diverse, timely, and creative I've seen in a long time on this team. He comes across as very football smart too. Execution was a part of the problem this year.

When you have avg. QB play at best, you're not going to get the full results you expect. And when you get a QB performance like that of Johnny Football and you have to dumb down your entire offense so he can understand it, any OC is gonna look bad.

I hope he sticks around. He's good in my book.

+1
I agree completely

Good in my book as well overall. I think he is better if we leave out or minimize plays not paying off, like the stretch stuff. Also, gets random in the red zone at times. I think we are best when more vertical. And think we need to game plan and call plays that help a stacked box. Just a little too much premium on trickery for my taste.
That said, the extreme bulk is good. And if people ran what was called, he could look much better than a number of our players made him look.

PS Props to BH. He got up.

Ditto.

I'm hoping Brian can play Sunday, because (a) I'm still hoping for an 8-8 record, (b) I want to knock the Ravens out of any playoff possibilities, (c) I don't want to go into next seasons with two smurfs at QB and a win tomorrow *could* stir the Browns into trying to sign BH, and (d) I'm tired of the 3rd QB playing in the last game movie; I know how it ends ... badly.

Not going to lie, I kinda want to to see Shaw in some real action. One game or not is better than not getting to see him play at all.

I'm assuming that this is Hoyer's last game to put a Browns uniform on and I'm sure he's going to do everything he can to get on the field. I hope it goes well for him...

There is a lot of hate on the board these days, much more than should be for a team that made progress this year.

Most of it I attribute to just general frustration. A bad team becoming better but not fast enough. There are a bunch of good players on the team, but until the Browns find a QB, they will continue to struggle.

Manziel is also a lightning rod. Some Browns fans find his persona to be disgusting. I hope he uses the off season to learn the position that he is to play. But a plan B is also needed. Players like Manziel are boom or bust picks and right now I can only tell that he thinks he is still in college.

Agree completely. I pray they do not change any of the staff. Players that have been here have seen enough change. Let these guys build something. IMO, they are doing it right

We absolutely can't change again. You have got to let the schemes and culture build. These coaches might not appear to be what most think of as "great", but they are teachers. This team needs that. I also believe that this team s now positioned to play the FA market. Time for more proven players fill some big holes. Keep the young talent we have and create a team, a team that works together at the same ideas for at least a few years and grow as a unit. As for the FAs, I would be looking for a couple big impact players for the defense. Solid veterans with resumes.

The money should be there, and this would let some of the younger guys see what it takes to succeed. Build a culture and a team.

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This is the year I thought it wouldn't happen......

Understand your premise... disagree .... Tabor has got to go and O'Neil has not impressed me; if Ryan gets canned in NY then I want him as my defensive coordinator

I agree with you 75%, texas. lol. I think Tabor has held this team back for the last couple of years with the exception of KR and PR coverage. They have been average to slightly above average. He needs to go.

As for O'Neil, is it scheme? lack of personnel? injuries? I don't know. Maybe her should get a pass THIS year.

Tabor has not improved special teams at all for three years.