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How true is that statement! - worse case 2 games left on the field to end up 9/7 (ok or 10/6) and maybe still miss playoffs - but just look how different all the discussions would be now. Shoulda - woulda - coulda - I know. Props for calling himself out for making mistakes - maybe a little better clock management gets us 1 win..

for once at least I feel like were moving in decent steps forward and will actually be even better next year - with just a little extra discipline and focus by everyone.

He will leave the team alone. If anything, write some checks to bring in a couple free agent offensive players.

Maybe change my mind after the last couple of days ; and what kind of disaster today's game turns into .

Since seeing JM confirm what I thought of him coming into last year's draft, I agree whole heartedly with this poster. That said, on subject, I think Haslam will trust his hires and allow them to grow and develop this team. While it is obvious that he wants a winner in Cleveland (plus imagine the legacy that will come with it), I think the media backlash with Banner and Lombardi have taught him the importance of putting football people in charge with continuity throughout the organization. I also think that seeing how Manziel faired in his rookie year may have taught him to stay out of the draft, at least thats what any reasonable man could learn from that experience. My only concern in terms of people getting along is the relationship between Pettine and Shanahan. I've read on here that people think there is some issue there between the two. Can anybody confirm this with an article or something?

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‏@TonyGrossi Jimmy Haslam says absolutely Pettine and farmer will be back.

The fact that that's even a question annoys me.

What evidence to you have that Haslam made that pick?

Yeah, but it is good that he has immediately eliminated any question.

Some point to a 7-9 record as an improvement. however, we played the NFC south this year. A division that will send a sub .500 team to the playoffs.
Had we played a good division what might our record be?

I'm not sure what Haslam will do. I had no clue that he would fire Chud and company last year. Nor did I foresee him firing Banner and Lombardi. So what the man may do is a mystery. We surely didn't play very well the last half of the season. And now that a lot of the off field antics of last years draft picks are being made public, Farmers job may not be all that safe either. Missing on Johnny is one thing. Missing on Johnny AND Gilbert is something else. Gilbert being a huge headcase could tell the tale... or not.
I suppose it all depends on just HOW much Haslam believes in Farmer and Pettine. If he's completely sold on the two then they may be safe for now. If he had his doubts. Or if he's still in love with Harbaugh..... he could pull the plug again. At this point I wouldn't put anything past him. He is a wild card, big time.

Pettine did fine. Eject Tabor.

We saw that Alex Mack may be the MVP of this offensive squad.

Haslam needs to sell more gas, trinkets and crappy food and stay away from the team.

Really? Why? It is looking very much like Farmer blew two first round picks on serious head cases. And West is showing an attitude problem as well. Drafting three bad attitudes out of four picks in the top three rounds is NOT a good average for a GM.

Gilbert may grow up. Hopefully the vets continue to hammer these guys.

I think the quick affirmation for Farmer and Pettine by Haslam confirms he made the Manziel call at #22 last year. Otherwise, he should be furious with Farmer.

Yeah, well trading down and passing on good players for a maybe does not fill me with confidence going into this draft. Two more firsts. Are we going to draft two more with horrible attitudes? Oh boy, we could end up like the Bungles a few years ago. lots of attitude and little else. It wasn't until they stopped drafting idiots that they started winning.

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Scott Petrak ct ‏@ScottPetrak 2m2 minutes ago
#Browns Jimmy Haslam: This is ultimate team game, a player who can't show up for meetings, can't make practice disrespects himself, team ...
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Scott Petrak ct ‏@ScottPetrak 2m2 minutes ago
... more Haslam: We're not going to tolerate people who are irresponsible, no matter what round they're drafted in.
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Seriously?

Nate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ 47s48 seconds ago
#Browns owner Jimmy Haslam said if those guys can't grow up & be responsible to team & fans, "then they won't be with the Cleveland Browns."
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Scott Petrak ct ‏@ScottPetrak 1m1 minute ago
More from Haslam: we're going to give them a chance, we're going to work w/them, hopefully they grow up. if can't, they won't be #Browns.

Yes. Show me the quote where Haslam or Farmer states Jimmy made that pick.

Who's doing the scouting,and interviewing? They had problems with Tate,West,Gilbert and JM. Gordon they already knew was a problem. That's a lot of crap for one year,they must do a better job in that area,or this team has zero chance moving forward.

Gilbert wasn't taken as a "flyer"!
You may throw him out but I'm not willing to yet.

It will be interesting to hear Haslam's tone when he made his comments.

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 19s19 seconds ago
Those angry at me for ripping Justin Gilbert, Josh Gordon & Johnny Manziel, well the owner, coach and players blasted all 3 after the game

Those tweets mean the three stooges has one more screw up, and they're done.

Hope Gordon Manziel and Gilbert understand that message. They better be like church boys the rest of their time on this team.

I always like the stuff you write, YTown Pettine has done a really solid job for a 1st year HC. I re-sign Hoyer, I tell the team he is starting and I make Manziel wrestle it from him like it means something.

There are not many options as QBs who can play are like gold dust, but Manziel needs to earn his way - Texas is gone, and if he was anything but a hyped 1st round pick, so would he be.

So if it doesn't come directly from those two people's mouth it isn't true? Not even another guy in the very same draft room that said Haslem told Farmer to move up to pick him? That won't even satisfy you?

And evidently, that very same guy get in trouble for his public comments speaking out of school.....I wonder why?

Here is the audio for you too listen: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...ach-come-get-me

Now, what it doesn't say is how Farmer feels about Manziel throughout this whole process, but clearly Haslem called for the move up, according to the QB coach in the very same draft room.....this kinda eliminate the need for sources, right?

Hopefully nothing.

I think Haslam will be pondering the year that has passed and will come to understand that there is more to building a team than finding players that have athletic talent.

Farmers board will be a bit smaller next year, with fewer players that have questionable work ethic, and more consideration given to a players character.

Guess this can go here. Interesting that Petting said that he would have "a lot" to say tomorrow.

Owner: Pettine and Farmer will be back for 2015 | FOX Sports
http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/owner-pettine-and-farmer-will-be-back-for-2015-122814

BALTIMORE -- The Cleveland Browns are on to next season -- and team owner Jimmy Haslam said after Sunday's season finale he'll retain his top football people for 2015.

After the Browns lost, 20-10, to the Baltimore Ravens Sunday, Haslam said he "absolutely" plans to have general manager Ray Farmer and head coach Mike Pettine back.

Haslam took ownership of the Browns in Oct. 2012. He fired Pat Shurmur as head coach and Tom Heckert as general manager after the 2012 season. He fired Rob Chudzinski as head coach after last year's season finale, then fired CEO Joe Banner and general manager Mike Lombardi last February, two weeks after hiring Pettine as head coach.

Asked after the game if he's been given confirmation he'll return as coach, Pettine said he "(has) not heard anything. I'm assuming that's good news."
Haslam conducted an interview adjacent to the Browns locker room a few minutes later. It was the first time Haslam has met the media since July.

The Browns lost fve straight games to finish the season at 7-9.

Both Pettine and Haslam after Sunday's game declined to discuss Johnny Manziel, Justin Gilbert and Josh Gordon, all of whom were disciplined by the team this weekend for failing to meet obligations. The Browns suspended Gordon for a violation of team rules and left him off the trip after he no-showed for a Saturday morning walkthrough.

Manziel, who was placed on injured-reserve last week, was late for treatment the same morning and reportedly fined. The team made Gilbert inactive for the Ravens game after he was late to a meeting.

Haslam said missing meetings and not adhering to team obligations was "disrespectful...to teammates, coaches, fans, people whose livelihoods depend on us winning games" and said the Browns "will not tolerate it" in the future.

Pettine started his postgame press conference by saying discussion of "three guys" wouldn't be fair to players "who just played their butts off" and that he asked his players who played Sunday not to comment either until the Browns wrap their season, publicly and privately, on Monday.

"I'll have a lot to say tomorrow," Pettine said.

Manziel declined an interview request after the game, saying he would meet the media Monday.

Neither Manziel nor Gilbert were on the Browns sideline during the game.

Pettine said he would address that decision Monday as well.

I noticed Manziel wasn't on the sidelines, even though reports said he went to Baltimore with the team. ESPN-Cleveland is reporting that Manziel was tweeting during the game - something about Chris Rock. If anyone's on Twitter, please confirm.

I agree, he isn't going to do anything. I hope he does have a talk with JM and Gilbert and let them know they could be out of the league if they don't change.

him and gilbert were banned to locker room lmao

I think that's a fine if he did?

players are not supposed to tweet during a game.

Good point.

Would you expect any less from Johnny?

Jimmy Haslam won't tolerate 'irresponsible players... if they can't grow up they won't be with Cleveland Browns'

BALTIMORE, Md. -- Browns owner Jimmy Haslam made it clear Sunday that his three wayward big-name players had better get it together or they're gone.

He was referring to first-round picks Johnny Manziel and Justin Gilbert, and All-Pro receiver Josh Gordon -- who all got in trouble with the team over the weekend for being late or failing to show for team functions.

"This I think is the ultimate team game, and I think a player who can't show up for meetings, can't make practice, can't make weight lifting, disrespects himself,'' said Haslam after the Browns' 20-10 loss to the Ravens.

"But I think more importantly, and I think this is what these young guys miss -- they disrespect the team, the coaches, the staff, the fans. There's a lot of people in our organization whose livelihood depends on how well we do, and we're not going to tolerate people who are irresponsible no matter what round they're drafted in.''

He indicated they won't give up on them immediately, but that they're skating on thin ice.

"So these young guys, we're going to give them a chance,'' he said. "They're young kids. We're going to work with them. Hopefully they'll grow up, but if they can't grow up and they can't be responsible to their teammates and the coaches and our great fans, then they won't be with the Cleveland Browns."

No. 22 overall pick Manziel had a party Friday night and didn't show up the next day for treatment. He was fined and the Browns are royally miffed.

All-Pro receiver Gordon attended the bash and didn't show up for the Saturday walk-through. He was suspended for the game and is battling with the Browns to keep his accrued season so he can become a free agent on schedule.

No. 8 overall pick Gilbert was late for a team meeting Saturday night and was inactive.

Manziel and Gilbert were in the locker room during the game and not even permitted on the sidelines.

The Browns have put up with a lot from all three of those players since the day they arrived, but the leash is getting short for all of them.

Haslam also said in his four-minute interview that he's sticking with coach Mike Pettine and general manager Ray Farmer; and that the Browns have to figure out what they're doing at quarterback.

Pettine declined to address the turbulent trio during his post-game press conference, saying he'll talk about it at length on Monday.

"To me, it's disrespectful to the guys that put the uniform on today and went out and played their hearts out for the Cleveland Browns,'' he said. "There were guys that didn't need to go out and play, they could've shut it down and didn't. I'll have plenty to say tomorrow.''

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._medium=twitter

I just want Haslam to take his wallet down to Columbus and give Cardale Jones a big get up in Cleveland bill.. lol

It was reported after the game that, both Manziel and Gilbert were not welcomed to stand with team on the sideline.

And yes, Manziel did not tweet during the game per se, but was on his cell phone and 'favorited' a tweet of Chris Rock's announcing his divorce.

What a total dope.

he can't avoid being in trouble. He knows people are obsessed with every thing he does.

I’m not sure why Hoyer is getting a pass in all of this. His sullen, uncommunicative attitude when he was benched likely is also responsible for some of this. The guy was considered to be the team leader for 14 weeks and then when he is benched rather than standing on the sideline cheering his team on and assisting with play calling he isn't talking to anyone. So both he and Manzel should go. That leaves the Browns with Shaw as a starter in 2015. Some say the Browns can draft a QB. Well Mariotta goes #1 with no trade. Winston might be available via trade at 2 or 3, but the Browns would need to mortgage their future for years to move up that far. Besides you would think at this point they would have had their fill of immature college QBs. So that leaves all the others and there are a bunch. I confess to knowing nothing about many of them, but the ones I do are projects and third round picks at best. Of course there is always the desperate NFL team who will use their second 1st round pick to take a QB they could have gotten in the third round! So even if the a Browns take one of these guys he’s not the answer as starter in early 2015.

So the starter comes from a veteran. Via a trade, I don't think so. That requires the approval of the player. No decent QB wants to be traded to Cleveland. So that means one of the QBs that will be available thru free agency. Not sure that list is complete yet, but the names I saw are all career backups and not anyone who will play much beyond the mediocre level. Just don't see much to look forward to next year. Don't see any viable avenue to get a franchise QB. The good news is Cody Kessler will be available in 2016.

I'm not so sure after this year...Cleveland got a lot of good press and was in a playoff hunt into week 15. Dang - we have 3 teams in our division that made the playoffs this year - 3!

While 1 year is a small sample, if you are are an NFL QB and looking at teams that NEED your talent - and close to Playoffs - why not come to Cleveland?

I saw Hoyer on the sideline today trying to help Shaw. Manziel was no where to be seen. Oh, that's right, manziel was apparently banished to the locker room for being stupid.

Do the math.