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Thanks. I am familiar w/Smith and I think you are right. Thanks for the info on Shumpert.

Good trade?

I consider JR an older less fat version of Waiters..

He has shot chucking abilities.. ill make more of them.. but has also reigned it in a bit over the years..

Kinda wish we got Dalembert too.. maybe I'm just greedy.

In terms of talent, it's a lateral trade at best. In terms of fit? Best trade we could have made realistically.

I like the fact that we are getting Shump out of this trade, I think he'll start right away and provide something we are sorely missing in the backcourt. I'm really worried about JRS though, as he's been proven to be a pretty big headcase. I guess he'll be more receptive to the sixth man role than Dion though, so this seems like a better fit for us.

Just like you said, seems like a lateral trade in terms of talent, but the guys we get will fit our current roster much better than Dion did. I just hope JRS doesn't become a cancer or anything.

Now we still need a big-man somehow ...

Looks like Dalembert will get straight up waived:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/121254...ma-city-thunder

Maybe we put in a waiver for him? I don't know. His salary was only $3 mil, so I'm not sure why they couldn't include him in the deal if they really wanted him.

I don't know about putting waiters in a deal and not getting any scoring back.. and sending him to the top contender in the west...not sure about that. All I know is our bench is horrible...Dellevedova is easily the worst backup PG in the NBA...this guy needs to go..watching this game and getting beat by the 76ers proves this..the dude has no nba skill...if i remember right his dad or something was a friend with either mike brown or grant.. right now we have no backup pg

we got beat by the 76ers...good god...we have some crappy players..i mean rec league players

lost to detroit and 76ers within a weeks time...i have no words other than this is a very fragile time right now...I think more than players we need a new head trainer and strength coach...sooo many injuries.... But man if they don't sack up soon this season will be a lost cause..they can't keep playing soft. I really hope we have some moves other than waiters in the works...because he was the only one on the bench that scores...should have held on to Henry Sims, I liked him and thought he'd be a good bench guy.

id have to think lebron would keep smith in check. But yea its a lateral trade with the shumpert add in for defense. Its not bad...it was obvious waiters wasn't ever going to fit

Wow did we lay an egg in the 4th quarter tonight or what? Horrible.

Even with James, Irving and Waiters not on the floor, you have to beat the 76ers. They have an NBDL roster.

Dear Cavaliers, you just hit rock bottom.

In a vacuum, I like the deal, in that Smith will provide an adequate veteran facsimile of Waiters, while actually embracing the sixth man role, and we got perimeter defense to boot.

My issue with in in the big picture is that we just burned our best chip without addressing the inside.

I hope we have something else in the works, or we're going to get bounced by the first contender with a formidable frontcourt.

I still think our best chip is that Memphis pick. I know the immediate impact isn't what you would get from Waiters, but that pick has potential over the next 5 years.

Is signing Samuel Dalembert when he gets waived enough, or do we need to push more chips forward for Mozgov?

With Andy out I'd go for Dalembert and at least one more big..

Eventually we need to get people healthy and start figuring out rotations though..

Just saw JR has a player option next year, sucks, was hoping to add him to the future trade chip list..

Well, we shipped out Amundson and Kirk in this deal, so as far as Bigs we are left with who .....?

Love
Thompson
Haywood

and ..... umm .......

I think that's it.

I like the trade to acquire Shumpert, and I think that he is a much better fit for the Cavaliers. Smith can be effective within a role, but losing even more big bodies worries the heck out of me. CBS says that the Knicks will likely waive Dalembert ..... but there's no guarantee we get him in that event. If we had wanted him, we do have a pair of trade exceptions, one of which we could have used.

We did gain an extra 1st round pick, that is top 18 protected, so that is an extra asset. CBS also says that we are after Mozgov, and that would be a huge gain for us ..... but why would Denver give him up at this point? I don't know what we have left to trade that would be of enough value? Maybe we trade one of the 2 1st round picks we'll (possibly) have in next year's draft? IIRC, we could also still have that heavily protected 1st round pick from Memphis, but I don't remember all of the protections.

We currently have a fairly large trade exception, and the injury allowance for Andy. (which lets us take back a player in the final year of their deal)

I suspect that Griffin will be burning up the phone lines in search of a big. Maybe we do wind up with Dalembert, and that would be a decent "big" add. We will have an open roster spot, as we traded away 3 players, and took back 2.

Oh well .... should be an interesting time from now till the trade deadline. Only 3 bigs, with only 2 able to go full time, scares the heck out of me though.

With the exception of Kevin Love. Who played tonight that was better than the 76ers players? TT maybe? This is what happens when you lose 4/5 of your top scorers.

OK, the Cavaliers used their injured player exception on Shumpert in this trade. (He is a RFA after this season) They still have a $5.3 million trade exception.

Cleveland Cavaliers received J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert as part of three-team trade | cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/01/cleveland_cavaliers_expected_t_3.html#incart_2box

To acquire Shumpert, the Cavs used their one-time Disabled Player Exception (worth $4.9 million) they received for losing starting center Anderson Varejao for the season last month. Those exceptions can be used on one-year players; Shumpert is a restricted free agent this summer.

Cleveland still has its roughly $5.3 million trade exception.

Cleveland Cavaliers acquire J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert: Initial thoughts and tidbits | cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/...related_stories

CLEVELAND, Ohio. – Cleveland Cavaliers' General Manager David Griffin was quite busy Monday evening.

His work didn't go unnoticed as he strengthened the roster with the additions of J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert. As part of a three-team swap, Dion Waiters was sent to the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Here are some initial thoughts and tidbits regarding the move.

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1. Iman Shumpert is the prototypical player the Cavaliers were looking for in a wing defender. He will fit right into the starting lineup and produce instantly. Griffin knocked this one out of the park.

2. J.R. Smith is a proven instant offensive threat off the bench. He's also a wildcard. If he's motivated, and there's no reason he shouldn't be, Smith will be a valuable piece to the puzzle. If not, oh brother. The 2013 Sixth Man of the Year recipient will fill the void left by Waiters and it is anticipated that he would be an upgrade.

3. LeBron James was kept in the loop, we're told. He enjoyed his time with Waiters, but he's looking forward to getting acclimated with his new teammates to build a sustainable winning culture. It's a move he understood was best for the team.

4. James and Smith have history together dating back to high school. For years, Smith would travel to Akron over the summers to train with James. Their relationship, I'm told, is solid.

5. The timing of Dion Waiters being shipped wasn't ideal. He was scheduled to start in his hometown of Philadelphia before being pulled. He was excited to get the nod while Kyrie Irving was back in Cleveland nursing a sore back. A ton of family and friends were attending the game. I can guarantee he wasn't in a good mood tonight.

6. Yes, it's a process but now the Cavaliers are definitely in win-now mode. If the organization thought the heat and scrutiny was unwarranted before, they'll be in for a rude awakening if the team continues to struggles.

7. Overall, the trade was excellent. Now, the real work begins.

I agree totally, and maybe the front office is banking on (as someone stated in the thread earlier in the thread) that someone will be looking to dump salary and we earn a big man by default. Not the way I would play it, but I realize I'm not always right.

As far as Smith goes, it's not that I don't like his talent. It's that I feel that he's less reliable in the head department than Waiters. Just my own opinion, and I hope I'm wrong. Because I always did like JR's game, just not the attitude.

There was an article that said that Smith and Lebron work out together in the off-season. I hope that will help him fit.

If we get a healthy Shumpert playing defense, this trade is a win regardless of whatever Jr Smith does.

That's my take on it. A perimeter defender was sorely missing on this team. I'm just wondering if Shump might get traded further down the road. It's been rumored that we wanted to trade for Timofey Mozgov but Denver didn't want Dion. Maybe they would be more interested in Shumpert packaged with something else (we also apparently got a draft pick in this trade).

As for JRS, hopefully we get the 6th-man of the year version of him. We could use a good scorer off of the bench. I think he'll be much happier in that role than Dion was. If Lebron has worked out with him in the past, then hopefully he can help keep his attitude in check.

I would imagine the announcement of the Knicks shutting down Melo for the season is a few days away too. He's hurt, they stink, and they just traded the few pieces that were marginally good on the team.

Man, the Cavs are struggling right now but the Knicks are a DISASTER. That Melo contract will ruin them.

I sort of disagree. I mean, yes, the Knicks are a disaster and the Melo contract isn't good.

But, considering he's hurt, it is a smart decision to just shut him down, ship out the mediocre assets and rebuild the team. They still have talent and it won't be an 8yr plan to do it (hello, 76ers).

They'll have like 30 million in cap space next year.. The possibility of a Top 3 pick.. They could bring in another Max player if they wanted, or try to bring in a couple peices..

I'm interested to see what happens when Westbrook and Waiters are on the court at the same time.. The ball might get ripped in half..

This trade was a good start, and I think what gets forgotten is we also got a 1st round pick from OKC. OKC will make the playoffs so we will get it, So theres another asset, plus we have memphis 1st, the 5.3 trade exception and a 5million disability exception. We should have enough to add a few more pieces. Guys like Dalembert will be waiver I believe Glenn Rice jr will as well. We need a big and backup PG and maybe a couple bench guys we might be able to pluck from dleague. Miller is about done at this point, he needs to stop getting so many minutes...JR smith should help that. But the sooner dellevedova is bagging kangaroo burgers the better.

Not sure why you hate Dellavedova so much? The guy at least gives 100% effort day in and day out. Some nights he's the only guy trying on defense, and a few games he helped provide enough grit off the bench to spark the Cavs to a victory. He's not the most talented guy, but like Andy in his early years, he was all about determination and hardwork. At any rate, he's the freaking back-up point guard. He's probably issue #17 in our list of problems on this team. Replacing him isn't going to solve anything, really.

With the NBA Trade Machine, using the Bogans exception, I worked out..

Cavaliers Get
PF Greg Monroe
C Tomofey Mosgov

Detroit Gets
Tristan Thompson
Picks

Denver Gets
Picks

Will that happen? No.. But Detroit is going to lose Monroe, as he's a UFA after this season.. Giving them Thompson at least gives them a guy that can play offense and rebound next to Drummond..

I don't know what Denver wants for Mosgov. While I think he's talented and would like him, I refuse to believe he's so great that we would have to give up so many assets for him because Denver values him so much..

because he sucks...no he's not #17 on the list of problems..he's actually close to the top...we have NO backup point guard..100% effort is good...but doesn't mean you can actually play at this level.. he's never been a spark to anything. He was a HUGE reason we lost last night...he's gritty yes, but his defense is average at best. Even beat writers are noticing what' i've said for months. Now if he comes in and plays maybe 5-7 minutes a game thats fine..but the minutes he gets is absurd given his production.. He doesn't do anything a PG should be able to do.. he has no dribbling or driving ability and he def. can't get to the rim or finish. Sorry, I just don't think he's the guy we need backing up kyrie. Too much drop off..your backup PG should be able to do something to prevent drop off after your starter sits..his +/- is horrible. He gets 25 minutes a game and averages 4 points while shooting 30%. I'm not sure why I have to explain my dislike for him other than hes just not a good basketball player...MKC brought 76ers back last night by going through him..whereever delli was thats where the ball went.

haha..i'd do that trade in a heartbeat..TT is another guy that is such a huge liability. I've wanted monroe for some time..I think he'd be better than Mosgov to be honest and cheaper. I think Mosgov is only a target because Blatt coached him in europe...he's not all that..Dalembert and Monroe would be fine with me.

Dellavedova and a poor man's version of Kirk Hinrich. He's got some talent and tons of heart but you don't want him on the floor unless it's in a blowout. These guys just don't have what it takes to win in the NBA, but they can play a valuable role as the 12th man on the bench.

I've probably watched more Bulls basketball over the last 5 years than the Cavs, and I tell my friends that are Bulls fans that Hinrich is a good guy to have on your team, but as his minutes on the floor rise so do the chances you'll have a moral victory when the buzzer sounds.

They aren't "winners" in today's NBA.

Monroe sucks on defense, is slow, would clog the lane, and would take touches from Love.

he's alot better on Defense that what we have now..and I don't think he'd take touches from Love since the offense most of the time runs through him..he'd just be more effiencient than TT with his touches..Watching TT on offense is like watching bigfoot chasing bambi

I heard, but don't know for sure, that we had to use the disability exemption in this trade.

i don't think I saw that anywhere...and it can only be used for 1 player on a 1 year contract.

I know that OKC used an exception in the trade.

The Knicks sent Smith to Cleveland along with Iman Shumpert and received Lou Amundson, Alex Kirk and a second-round pick from the Cavs and Lance Thomas from the Thunder. Oklahoma City will send a protected future first-round pick to Cleveland in the deal, which also creates two trade exceptions for the Knicks -- $5.9 million for Smith and $2.6 million for Shumpert.

These 2 statements make me question how much of Monroe you've actually watched. He's like Al Jefferson.

lol he's nothing like al jefferson

monroe is 30lbs lighter, takes 6-8 fewer shots than jefferson on average per game...if monroe was al jefferson I'd take that as a big any day..a 290lb Center that plays well under the basket and can hit a mid ranger..sign me up. I'm not saying Monroe is a world beater..I wanted him because he has good size and somewhat of an offensive game..much better than thompson, and with Detroit willing to move him, could have been a cheap option to get us some front court help