DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum A Johnny Manziel Chronology with the Browns

I've never seen anyone on the boards who is so condescending while being so completely and at times laughably wrong.

Remember when you told me that I was 'ignorant' and 'must be a college kid' when I said that no one should buy Gordon's excuse that his suspension was due to a nrX mix-up? 'You see', you told me, 'Gordon's problems with drugs were in college, and people mature when they're in college. You'll understand that when you get older'.

Or how about when you told me I was 'ignorant' because it was 'obvious' that Mangini instilled discipline in the team. When I asked for evidence, since it was 'obvious' and I was 'ignorant', you listed a host of areas where the team improved, none of which were factually correct?

Then it was 'I know what I see' and 'what do you know?'.

And here we are again...I explained very clearly why I made the Manziel/Russell comparison. I said "They're both complete dumbasses who hit the NFL lazy and unprepared, and don't seem to be learning anything from their mistakes."

That's not an ignorant opinion...it's a valid one that's proving itself to be true.

Again...there's nothing wrong with being smarmy or dismissive...but you have to back it up. You can't just throw it out there and resort to 'I trust my eyes, what do you know?' when your argument gets met with a reasoned counterargument.

And also...you seriously need clarification on my 40 time comment? I said that I ran one in high school, and was pretty sure I could still get there, with a smiley or wink face at the end.

You honestly needed clarification on that?

And enough with the 'trying to make you look bad'. You do fine with that on your own.

Sometimes, it can be personal. With you, it isn't. I have nothing against you. Just your methodology and lack of reason or logic. I'm more than capable of separating the two.

I know you come from a place of homerism, which clouds your football knowledge (which you do possess)

I can count the people I have a personal issue with on this board with one hand, and you're not one of them. Most of them, I don't even converse with, outside of maybe Vers, because he's such a tomato can.

j/c

Lot of peeing contests going on around here hehe. I want Manziel and Gordon to be studs but so far I'm more worried than anything. Sure Manziel and Gordon have the potential to rise to greatness as some have mentioned but I think anyone suggesting we should be "expecting" that given their history is crazy. I mean, sure we expect our players to be committed and play great so.. ya.. but I mean in the objective sense of the word "expect".

I have a horrible feeling about next year. I just don't see Manziel making it at this point... just don't think he has the work ethic and/or talent. Before anyone tries to clobber me with all the great things Manziel did in college know this... great college players fail miserably in the NFL every year. Very very common.

Me = sad

Unfortunately, I don't think that we're going to see an immediate fix there.

Possible, but unlikely. We'll probably have to wade through another year with a journeyman or middling rookie (or combination of both).

I don't see a return for Hoyer.

With Manziel, I'd park him at the #2/3 spot and hope like hell you can groom him. If he gets arrested or keeps acting like an idiot before camp starts, just cut him and move on.

Well, Johnnys at it again. At least this time, it appears he was just out enjoying himself and someone else started it.

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/nor...tclub/21300049/

For the most part I agree with your post. I quoted most of it because I didn't want you to think I was taking it out of context. But I do take issue with the bolded portion. When your own GM states that he believes your QB can be pretty much adequate and nothing more, I believe any thoughts concerning "GREATNESS" by JFF is not to be expected. His upside was demoted greatly by the comments of Farmer.

Secondly, while Gordon has shown an ability of greatness in some of his play, he has shown a much greater ability to remain on the sidelines via suspension.

While these are certainly my opinions, I believe there's a great deal of evidence to support it. Not just by JFF's play, but added to by the comments of Farmer.

We have our own kardashian........famous for being famous,. and nothing more.

Gotta say Arch, that would make a pretty signature for you.

pretty sure he's famous for resurrecting A&M right when they entered the SEC, won the Heisman trophy for his on field accomplishments, while flaunting his college lifestyle on social media.

so, he at least has some spectrum of accomplishment behind his fame.

I get that the media needed a new Tebow, so they picked a character that was as different off the field from Tebow as possible while still providing similar (though ultimately less) on field accomplishments.

tab.......you would be much better off not conversing w/PDR. He's one of the handful of guys that have dragged this board down. Ignore him.

Weird. Rather, I think he's someone that has questioned you, and you have no answer for him.

For the record, I don't like pdr. I don't care for your style of posting either.

not sure this can be pinned on him... sounds like he did the right thing, by leaving.

Global warming is Manziel's fault.

If it wasn't for the damn finger being thrown in there I would agree.
I'm not going to beat him up for this one but at some point he's got to learn some self control and judgement. He could have left before it got to that point and it certainly seems like it was taking an unnecessary risk going back to the same place. Can this guy not rent a party room in one of these clubs?

Yep. Be smart about it.

This isn't College Station anymore. If you try to rub elbows with the people, it's going to lead to fights, altercations, people snapping pictures of you being a dumbass, etc.

Get behind the velvet rope. Life's different now.

I read an article today, it said something to the effect "Johnny has more apologies than he has pass completions". Haha!

This stuff is going to keep on happening. Dude's too young to realize that he's made himself into a target for any yahoo out there. He's a bonehead, but he isn't some malicious trouble-seeker looking for a fight every time he goes out. Unfortunately, he's going to be a magnet for just those kinds of people, due to the public persona he's crafted for himself.

In every single town, there's someone whose only claim to fame around his low-life friends will be: "Hey, remember that time I beat up Johnny Manziel 20 years ago?"

I wish there weren't so many jerks and "bulbous tips" out there, but it's a fact of life he's going to have to learn.... and very soon.

It IS going to keep happening... and one of these times, it's not going to end well for someone.

I hope you're right and he (or his "friends") are not making these things worse than they need to be. In that last article if he just leaves, or asks security to remove the idiots it's not a story at all. Instead he flipped them off and drinks started flying. One day he's going to get that finger broken...

Well, he screwed that up as well. I'm freezing my giblets off up here.

It is only 15 here. Now I know who to blame.

that f'in Manzirel - he cant even keep it warm in his home state... it got to 23 degrees this morning.

I may just drive down to Houston and B slap him AND throw a drink on him... right after I give him a big ole hug and ask for his autograph.

Clem; the kid just turned 22 ! Where oh where are his Parents ? My 22 year old is getting his ass pulled aside , a head slap and a long discussion .. And yes I had two sons to deal with ..

His parents? They're the same one's that bought him a brand new car so he wouldn't drink in high school.

And his dad is the same guy that Espn the mag quoted as saying, when golfing with him "I get worried about his actions." (that is NOT a direct quote, it's a paraphrase)

Same guy that, as a Heisman winner, under the age of 21, went out drinking after winning, and, in the article, seemed to brag about it. JMO

His parents aren't "there". He's been spoiled from day one. JMO

Thought this belonged here .....

The rookie quarterback found himself in hot water once again.

Johnny Manziel was involved in another incident over the weekend, according to a report from TMZ. The Browns' embattled rookie quarterback reportedly had drinks thrown on him by nightclub patrons in Houston after being heckled by the crowd, according to an area promotion company responsible for hosting the event.

Members of the public were yelling at Manziel and alleged to have tried to "aggressively take photos" with the quarterback when he became fed up and flipped off the hecklers. This escalated the situation and drinks were thrown at Manziel, at which point he and his entourage left Dekan nightclub.

"I ducked and I looked at Johnny and we grabbed security and they ran us out of there," J.R. told TMZ Sports.

Manziel reportedly left the club, but returned when he was informed by security that the people responsible for throwing drinks were made to leave.


This latest incident comes less than two weeks after an alleged party caused Manziel and teammate Josh Gordon to be late to a Browns team meeting. The fallout from that incident was a contrite Manziel saying he would need to "stop acting like a jackass" if he hoped to have his NFL career progress further.

The Browns organization has not issued a statement at this time regarding Manziel's incident in Cleveland. Houston police were not informed of the event at Dekan nightclub, but the altercation flies in the face of a warning issued to Manziel by the Browns to not be photographed in bars or clubs.

Here's the url ......

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/5/7496991/johnny-manziel-browns-night-club-drinks-thrown-houston

Maybe JM was doing exactly what the Browns are asking of him...Sounds like JM was really trying not to get photographed..

JM really needs to shape up or ship out. Or he will be a has been here. Really the team need to put their foot down. But they are not trying hard.

I do take issue with your post. First, to be a "has been" you first have to have something. So far, here he has had nothing. So I'd say being a "never was" is far more accurate when it comes to his time here so far.

quit pickin' nits, Pit...


(try saying that fast 5 times in a row...)

Finish the following sentence:

If your employer issued you a warning not to get photographed in bars or clubs, it would be a good idea to __________.

(I'm not sure if that question made this years Wonderlic)

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/espn-def...leveland-browns

This is absolutely priceless.

ESPN would've been better off refusing comment than trotting this ridiculous argument out there.

Hell, outright admitting 'The NFL makes us a lot of money, and we're not going to bad mouth them' may have looked less bad than this.

Ooooooh! I love Madlibs! Let me try...

If your employer issued you a warning not to get photographed in bars or clubs, it would be a good idea to boobs.

Err...at least that's how I used to play it...

that is likely capturing the Manziel mindset pretty well

He would probably spell boobs with a 'z'.

Going off to the topic of the thread here...

Johnny...to me squandered an opportunity. He wasted it. He has become a player that forgot what it took to get to the level of player he was to be a Heisman winning QB. He became enamored with the celebrity...and I honestly felt that he liked the celebrity enough to do the job well...Rob Gronkowski loves his celebrity, and he works to ensure he doesn't lose said celebrity...Johnny is not. Josh Gordon is not. Justin Gilbert is not. Johnny though, is the most public of those figures...he is not putting in the work to maintain his celebrity, he is riding the celebrity train. The position he has does not have enough value to him to change his direction and his course and to get him to do the right thing.

In that vein...if he is no longer a member of the Cleveland Browns organization...this may be addition by subtraction. We saw a rookie who played roughly the same amount of snaps against a PLAYOFF defense, and battled to the end, with a decimated by injury team, without a star player (who can also see the far side of the door...or in January Cleveland the COLD side of the door) on the road...and played a game almost good enough to win.

You can roll with Connor Shaw...and Johnny's existence to this franchise does not matter because Connor has showed that he is willing to do what is necessary to be the best he can be at his craft. That's play like a Brown, that's how you craft out a 10+ year career in the NFL regardless of your quality of measureables. Go to work youngblood. And you've had 1 year to go to work and you went to happy hour. So long son. So long.

Wherever you are, whatever you are doing...if you are not working your hardest...someone somewhere else (right next to you even in this case) is, and will take your job.

Connor Shaw may at this point in time be a better QB than Johnny Manziel...and if you think Connor Shaw will let up, slow down, or back off...you haven't seen his career.
I'm not advocating for him to be the starter in Cleveland...but what I am saying is that I would take him over #2 tomorrow and because of his work ethic and quality of person...probably every day for the rest of his career, and Johnny's

This guy is absolutely reveling in Manziel's troubles. Weird reaction.

A joke is something spoken, written, or done with humorous intention. The author's reaction or assertion doesn't typically tend to be a genuine or believable.

And, c'mon...even you would have to admit that this guy has at least a 60% of spelling boobs with a 'Z' on a Mad Lib.

j/c

If the reports of this last action are true, JM did nothing wrong.

However, what he may forget is the "celebrity" status he loves precedes him - and much of it is his own doing.

Were he my son, I would, without a doubt, sit down, explain how life works, and reign him in. Were he my son, he would respect me enough to listen.

That may sound pompous on my part. Maybe it is. But, if explained properly, as in: keep going out and getting into trouble, even if it isn't your fault, it's going to look bad on YOU. You have a chance here.......don't screw it up anymore than it is. You wanna drink? Do it at home. Your "status", earned or not - is currently your enemy. Your spoken words have not come to fruition, and it's only been a couple of weeks since you were done playing for the season......you know, when you said you need to grow up, take your job more seriously, etc."

The guy thrived on attention......and the "attention" has gotten so far out of his control that IT is in control.