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The best QB should start. The 2nd should be the backup. Frye know this and will accept his roll.
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Dude, what a silly statement. I think most fans in Cleveland realize that Charlie is a hometown boy living a dream of playing for his childhood team. No way Clevelander's boo Frye. I have a strong feeling Charlie will answer the call and perform really well in TC and will start the season. This is a great problem to have, a couple QB's who are Browns fans playing for the Browns!
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I think we will trade Frye for a 2008 draft pick and then sign the best veteran QB backup available after the first round of cuts. Anderson is adequate 3rd-stringer. Dorsey is done.
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trade his worthless butt.
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Mensa says he hopes Savage didn't blow it like the Ravens did with Boller, but wants Frye gone...
I want Frye gone because there is zero positives in keeping him now. The fans want Quinn and will cheer when Frye gets hurt like they did when Couch got hurt. Fans will be calling for Quinn to start the entire season making the entire season a circus.
You don't draft a QB in the 1st round and give them 1st round money to sit the bench. Obviously Quinn is the future so what's the point in keeping Frye. Let's just hope Savage didn't just trade away next years first round pick for another Kyle Boller.
I was never very high on Quinn and think he's going to have an Eli Manning type career.
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Ideally, you do.
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Lets see should I be PC when I post this? HELL NO that wouldn't be me. Any of you being dumb enough to start on this trade Charlie crap, needs to go to the book store and get the book "football for dummies" better yet start from scratch.... *holding out a football* This is a football. It is used in football games.... you get the point, and if you don't just turn to your buddy who agrees with you on this subject and look thru either his left or right ear, your bound to have a great view of whats on the other side of his empty head  You have injuries every single year in the NFL, and you need depth at each and every position, yet so many ignorant posters around here always want to trade players away who provide that depth. Charlie should still be the starter this year, then if Quinn is the better QB Charlie NEEDS to be kept as our backup.
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i would have rather read the not politically correct one...  i agree with you 100%, why people around here think we can have only one good qb is beyond me... fact is, there is no way they thought quinn was gonna drop as far as he did, and they were willing to pass on him and take thomas.... that right there shows they would have been willing to go into he season with frye as the starter... having a good qb and backup is important as you well know...look at the eagles last year....if they had some scrub instead of garcia there season would have been over...we need talent and depth at all positions... frye could very well develop and become a better starter, at worst he's a good number 2...he's young, and he's got some experience... i would find it hard to believe that quinn can't beat him out (and i base this only the guy being so good that he would make diam want him over a LT ) so quinn will eventually start...making frye the backup.... some fear the qb controversy's of old, but that will only happen if we suck...if we are winning nobody will be booing, and calling for the backup...
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Ya, because he missed half of that period -- the last quarter of the season...
He played 7 games in that 10 game stretch that I'm talking about. The Browns went 3-4. And Frye ranked 17th out of 36 QB's. But nice try.
Oh, forgive me. I didn't realize that the season was 20 games long and that the NFL had 36 teams.
The truth is, over the last 8 games of the season (the definition of "last half"), Frye was 1-3, threw no more than ONE TD in any of those games, was SHUT-OUT in three of those games (no TDs at all), and threw 5 INTERCEPTIONS.
But ya, you're right -- he was a great QB during that period.
As well, you seem to be the Quinnephobe around here. I haven't heard Frye or Anderson say anything about wanting to jump ship now that a real QB has arrived.
It's unfortunate that his good looks and presentability make you so uncomfortable.
Kid, the stats are from Week 8 through Week 17. The weeks where Jeff Davidson was the offensive coordinator. I'm so sorry to inform you that Frye ranked 17th out of 36 QB's in that span and the Browns went 3-4 with him as the starter. I know it hurts to know that Frye was not the worst QB in the history of the NFL. I know how you love to blame QB's for all the Browns problems. In 2 years you'll be calling for Quinn's head. People like you never cease to amaze me with your lack of football knowledge.
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Actually, we now have a REAL line, a true running back and a franchise QB.... I don't think any sane Browns fan will be calling for too many offensive heads any time soon.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I like Charlie as a person, and I read in another post that you know Charlie, so I can see you being upset.. but grow up. This is a business. It doesn't matter how good of a guy you are, it's about how good of a football player you are... and frankly, Frye wasn't going to get it done in Cleveland.
I wish him the best wherever he ends up, but you need to grow up, my friend.
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Ya, because he missed half of that period -- the last quarter of the season...
He played 7 games in that 10 game stretch that I'm talking about. The Browns went 3-4. And Frye ranked 17th out of 36 QB's. But nice try.
Oh, forgive me. I didn't realize that the season was 20 games long and that the NFL had 36 teams.
The truth is, over the last 8 games of the season (the definition of "last half"), Frye was 1-3, threw no more than ONE TD in any of those games, was SHUT-OUT in three of those games (no TDs at all), and threw 5 INTERCEPTIONS.
But ya, you're right -- he was a great QB during that period.
As well, you seem to be the Quinnephobe around here. I haven't heard Frye or Anderson say anything about wanting to jump ship now that a real QB has arrived.
It's unfortunate that his good looks and presentability make you so uncomfortable.
Kid, the stats are from Week 8 through Week 17. The weeks where Jeff Davidson was the offensive coordinator. I'm so sorry to inform you that Frye ranked 17th out of 36 QB's in that span and the Browns went 3-4 with him as the starter. I know it hurts to know that Frye was not the worst QB in the history of the NFL. I know how you love to blame QB's for all the Browns problems. In 2 years you'll be calling for Quinn's head. People like you never cease to amaze me with your lack of football knowledge.
The odds of Brady Quinn not being as good as Charlie Frye are slim and none.
I'm not blaming Frye for anything...but on paper, the skill sets don't even compare. I'm glad to have Charlie Frye - one of the NFL's best back-up quarterbacks.
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Trade Frye now and get something for him or he'll leave as a FA. Frye's not sticking around with Mr. Hollywood here, only a naive person would think Frye is going to stay in Cleveland now.
Quinn's the future. Let's hope Savage didn't blow it with Quinn like he did with Boller.
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Frye won't be here in 2008.
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When did you get out of jail Miss Cleo? Charlie could be out starter or our backup in 2008 just as well as not be here at all. Hell if Miami would have taken Quinn with the 9th pick, Charlie would have been our unchallanged starter this year, as Anderson was not going to give him a true challange for the starting spot.
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When did you get out of jail Miss Cleo? Charlie could be out starter or our backup in 2008 just as well as not be here at all. Hell if Miami would have taken Quinn with the 9th pick, Charlie would have been our unchallanged starter this year, as Anderson was not going to give him a true challange for the starting spot.
When you draft a QB in the 1st Round it means that guy will be starting in his 2nd year. I doubt Frye wants to be a career backup to Quinn. He's going to want to go somewhere else where he can earn a starting spot.
Quinn's going to hold out and demand top 10 money. Frye will start this year, then the fans will start booing Frye and chanting for Quinn sometime in the 1st quarter of the 1st preseason game. Then somewhere along the line Frye will get hurt and the fans will cheer because it means Quinn is coming into the game.
Frye's won't be in Cleveland in 2008. Not with the fickle Browns fans that want a different QB every year.
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Quinn will be one of the first draft picks to sign. He won't hold out for top 10 money.
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I doubt Frye wants to be a career backup to Quinn.
Well I don't want to grow old and die, but that's life. He can live out his destiny as a fine back-up QB here at home or go shoot for a starting gig somewhere else. Best of luck to the kid either way, I really like him. 
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It sure sounds like you don't believe in Charlie Frye  If Charlie plays lights out this year and plays better than Quinn, he won't lose his starting job. So just how long have you thought Quinn was a better QB than Charlie is?
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Do you think Quinn would be content on being a career backup to Charlie Frye? I didn't think so. Thinking that Frye who was 17th out of 36 QB's in the NFL after Davidson took over as the O Coordinator will be content never getting to play again is just silly.
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2002 - Couch
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Quinn's going to hold out and demand top 10 money. Frye will start this year, then the fans will start booing Frye and chanting for Quinn sometime in the 1st quarter of the 1st preseason game. Then somewhere along the line Frye will get hurt and the fans will cheer because it means Quinn is coming into the game.
Frye's won't be in Cleveland in 2008. Not with the fickle Browns fans that want a different QB every year.
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Quinn's holding out, count on it.
Browns fans will cheer when Frye gets hurt, count on it.
Browns fans will call for Quinn to start by week 1, count on it.
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Thinking that Frye who was 17th out of 36 QB's in the NFL after Davidson took over as the O Coordinator will be content never getting to play again is just silly.
Thinking any team would be *content* with him as their starter is also silly.
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Quinn's holding out, count on it.
Browns fans will cheer when Frye gets hurt, count on it.
Browns fans will call for Quinn to start by week 1, count on it.
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Quinn's holding out, count on it.
What gives you any reason to think this?
Do you have tarot cards or something? 
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Quinn's holding out, count on it.
Browns fans will cheer when Frye gets hurt, count on it.
Browns fans will call for Quinn to start by week 1, count on it.
you are quickly becoming one of the more disliked members of the board....count on it
Actually, he's one of my favorite posters. He sticks to his guns. Certain people on here reamed me for hating Garcia, they reamed me for after his FIRST game wanting Carthon fired (those same people CLAIM to be first to want them gone, when in reality they were first to rip on me for my view). Mensa sticks to his guns like I do. He's one of very few on here who has integrity and doesn't fall into peer pressure. Personally, I don't see us trading Frye. We need him to start - we also need him as a back-up in the future. However, I also see that he has the ability to start. Those of you judging him with no running game, a dolt for an OC for all but 7 games he played in and absolutely no line are the ones who should watch yourselves as you are jumping on Frye because YOU fall into the peer pressure that QBs are the only people on the team. Mensa and myself (and a few others) understand that a QB is only as good as his supporting cast -- which starts with the line -- the OC -- the RB (3 things Charlie DIDN'T have).
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Phil Savage has become the worst GM in NFL history. This is the worst draft I've ever seen. We gave up way too much. Joe Thomas was great pick. After that he went insane. He's a fool. I'm fed up. A rapist drug addict for 3 picks??? Quinn for 3 picks??? Savage is on meth.
Just make sure you "stick to your guns" with this asinine post.
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Phil Savage has become the worst GM in NFL history. This is the worst draft I've ever seen. We gave up way too much. Joe Thomas was great pick. After that he went insane. He's a fool. I'm fed up. A rapist drug addict for 3 picks??? Quinn for 3 picks??? Savage is on meth.
Just make sure you "stick to your guns" with this asinine post.
This was an emotional post, look around - you'll find one where I figured out why I didn't like the draft, it took me a few to figure that out. Essentially - I hate gambling and we gambled a ton in this draft.
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Quinn's holding out, count on it.
What gives you any reason to think this?
Do you have terot cards or something?
His agent is going to try to get Quinn top 10 money. The Browns are not going to want to pay him top 10 money, therefore there will be a hold out. Count on it.
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I have no problem with supporting Frye or disagreeing with those who support Quinn. However, Mensa's personal attacks on Quinn such as calling him "hollywood" and accusing him of holding out not hours after he was selected, as well as his attacks on the so called "fickle" browns fans seems to be more childish than intelligent.
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His agent is going to try to get Quinn top 10 money. The Browns are not going to want to pay him top 10 money, therefore there will be a hold out. Count on it.
Ok, Mrs. Cleo.
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I have no problem with supporting Frye or disagreeing with those who support Quinn. However, Mensa's personal attacks on Quinn such as calling him "hollywood" and accusing him of holding out not hours after he was selected, as well as his attacks on the so called "fickle" browns fans seems to be more childish than intelligent.
What do you call cheering when your QB gets hurt?
What do you call 5 different QB's leading your team in passing the last 5 years, and the fans still thinking all the problems are with the QB position?
It's hard being a Browns fan when there are so many nescient Browns fans out there that don't know the first thing about what it takes to succeed in the NFL, but are the first to cheer when a player gets injured and call for the QB or coaches head if the team loses it's 1st game.
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And, nice try, but I've been on this board, the previous Dawg Talk, and a Browns season-ticket holder a hell of a lot longer than you -- thanks very much, though.
If you've been around so much and seen so much then you would have remembered my multiple postings of Frye being the 17th best QB out of 36 QB's from Week 8 through week 17, the 2nd half of the season under Jeff Davidson.
Congrats on being a season ticket holder. I sure hope you weren't one of the fans that cheered when Couch got hurt.
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I have no problem with supporting Frye or disagreeing with those who support Quinn. However, Mensa's personal attacks on Quinn such as calling him "hollywood" and accusing him of holding out not hours after he was selected, as well as his attacks on the so called "fickle" browns fans seems to be more childish than intelligent.
Tom condon is his agent. I actually smell a hold-out coming. Though I saw a clip of Quinn saying "It's not about money for me, I want to win games." Hollywood - well -they show a billion pics of him with no shirt and women think he's a "hunk" - so I see why he calls him that, though I don't see his personality as fitting it. It's more of a media thing. And Browns fans are fickle. "Couch is great" "Couch sucks, Holcomb is great," "Holcomb and Couch suck, Garcia is a 3 time pro-bowler," "Garcia sucks, Dilfer is a Super Bowl winning mentor," "Dilfer sucks, start Frye!" "The line sucks, our QBs always get killed" (then draft time arrives) "We need a QB, not a tackle - Frye sucks, get Quinn." We change QBs like women change shoes - fickle women is what many Browns fans are like. At least we were smart enough to grab the LT first. I don't think we needed Quinn, but at least he should stay away from the Cleveland clinic.
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trade his worthless butt.
Adios #9.
That's a great unrelenting fan attitude.
If they wear Brown and Orange, we support them. We don't boo them, we don't shoo them away, we support them.
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my multiple postings of Frye being 17th best QB out of 36 QB's from Week 8 through week 17, the 2nd half of the season under Jeff Davidson.
How many times are you going to talk about Frye being the SEVENTEENTH best quarterback in a LIMITED TIME FRAME?
My God, let's build a statue for this monumentous feat.
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I have no problem with supporting Frye or disagreeing with those who support Quinn. However, Mensa's personal attacks on Quinn such as calling him "hollywood" and accusing him of holding out not hours after he was selected, as well as his attacks on the so called "fickle" browns fans seems to be more childish than intelligent.
What do you call cheering when your QB gets hurt?
What do you call 5 different QB's leading your team in passing the last 5 years, and the fans still thinking all the problems are with the QB position?
It's hard being a Browns fan when their are so many nescient Browns fans out there that don't know the first thing about what it takes to succeed in the NFL, but are the first to cheer when a player gets injured and call for the QB or coaches head if the team loses it's 1st game.
Okay...we are going to boo Charlie if he gets hurt...can we count on that too? Stop being so holier than thou.
you had a good run Hank.
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How many times are you going to talk about Frye being the SEVENTEENTH best quarterback in a LIMITED TIME FRAME?
The time frame matters because it's the only time frame Frye played with a competent offensive coordinator.
Frye's not why the team stunk last year. But let's just blame it on him anyways.
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You don't draft a QB in the 1st round and give them 1st round money to sit the bench.
Did you ever hear of Carson Palmer or Phillip Rivers?
Hell, even Jay Cutler, Vince Young, Eli Manning, Matt Leinart and a few more I'm forgetting even started their first season as backups.
It's the way things are done in the NFL, or you end up with people like Ryan Leaf and Tim Couch. Pay attention.
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