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You don't get it do you Damanshot.
There is a ZERO chance that if Frye becomes a huge success that he will continue to be the starter for the Browns for the next decade. Savage and the Browns have gone down the path of Quinn now.
Frye could go to a Pro-Bowl this year and then he could go to a Pro-Bowl in 2008. But no matter what by 2009 Quinn will be your starter and Frye will be playing somewhere else. You do not draft a QB in the 1st round and pay them 1st round money to sit the bench. I don't understand why you can't understand this, it's rather simple.
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I hope Frye does go to a Pro Bowl or two before he's done here.... give us some value in return for him. Bring on the tickets to Hawaii Charlie 
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You don't get it do you Damanshot.
There is a ZERO chance that if Frye becomes a huge success that he will continue to be the starter for the Browns for the next decade. Savage and the Browns have gone down the path of Quinn now.
Frye could go to a Pro-Bowl this year and then he could go to a Pro-Bowl in 2008. But no matter what by 2009 Quinn will be your starter and Frye will be playing somewhere else. You do not draft a QB in the 1st round and pay them 1st round money to sit the bench. I don't understand why you can't understand this, it's rather simple.
Ask Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers about that one. Quinn's contract will make him tradable. It just won't happen, obviously.
I could see your point if Quinn was making top 5 money, but his cap number will be MUCH lower than you think. Hell, Wimbley's contract seemed small to me, this one will be that much smaller.
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I highly doubt Frye's going to want to stay in Cleveland for 12 years as Brady Quinn's backup.
He's signed through '08 (apparently) so he's here until then whether he likes it or not. To his credit, he's not the kind of guy that's going to rock the boat.
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The day the Browns place Frye behind Quinn in the depth chart is the day Frye's going to want out of Cleveland so that he can have a chance to start somewhere else.
Problem is this: NOBODY WANTED HIM WHEN WE MADE IT KNOWN HE WAS AVAILABLE VIA TRADE.
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I bet Derek Anderson is going to want to get out of Cleveland the day Quinn is put ahead of him on the depth chart.
I bet Derek Anderson doesn't have a choice. What a low-hangin' nobody like Anderson wants is irrelevent. If he's cut, he might not get another job. Here, he's collecting a paycheck from a GM who wants him. Like Frye, his best chance to suceed is here.
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Either trade them and get something for them, or watch them leave as FA's and get nothing in return.
You think either guy has an ounce of trade value?  We shopped Chuck. We came up craps. Anderson? Please
Both have jobs and are under contract. Frye will get his chance to win the job. It's his last shot, but it's a shot. He won't get that on any other team.
Come on out and be honest instead of going this route. You're a huge Frye-guy and want him to leave so he doesn't have to ride [censored] as Quinn's backup. The TEAM comes first and Frye has value as a backup. However, he still has a shot at being the starter, ala Brees.
The pro-Frye camp needs to stop being depressed and realize what's coming off here. I made the case crystal clear to everyone that Frye was no longer viewed as the answer. Most replies were that I had no basis to make that evaluation, and that seeing him behind a line would seal the deal one way or another. Well, HERE IT IS! Frye gets the left tackle and Tucker now probably becomes an above-average guard. Because of experience, he'll be considered the starter.
He'll get his shot which is all you folks could ask for. He won't get that shot anywhere else. Be happy. If he's good like you folks say he is, he'll shine and develop. If not, we have our guy ready to go by next year.
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While I have been vocal in my opinion that Frye isn't a starter ..... I think he can be a solid backup type. Anderson also showed that he can play very well for a short period of time if called upon before his play begins to break down. I think we could have solid depth at the position for the 1st time in a long, long time.
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At least for two years until Frye walks.
What people aren't considering is that Frye IS the veteran presence now. It's going to be his third year. He understands what's going on. He's got a year's worth of starts under his belt and two camps as well. We don't need an aged veteran, though I'd happily dump Anderson for a true guru type.
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Frye will be the starter as long as he produces.
All of the picks yesterday were impact picks in skill positions that will make this team better. I always look at it is if there is someone out there that will fill a hole, give us better depth and we can afford it, it makes THE TEAM better, and that is all that I care about.
The fact is that we got 3 players yesterday that could start in year 1, that are 3 of the 5 building blocks that a team needs, and addressed issues (especially Thomas) that we have needed for some time now.
The bottom line is Frye has to go out and play well and win games or someone else will start. That makes the team better.
I am tired of being compared to the Bungals of years past or being grouped with the Lions as "the new Bungals". We made strides yesterday to make this team better and addressed needs.
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OverToad, who told you no one wanted Frye in those trade talks. I've heard that teams were interested.
Savage showed through his actions of using a 2nd and 1st round pick on Brady Quinn that he thinks Frye and Anderson will amount to nothing. So having Frye play this year and stink it up will all but take away any trade value. This is our last chance to trade Frye and get something in return.
You have to think what's best for the team. Trading Frye now and getting something in return, or being unable to trade him after the season.
The best move for the Browns is to trade Frye now. Savage has moved us on to the Quinn years so we have no need for Frye anymore, especially if all he's going to do is drop his trade value by playing this year.
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Oh dear God ...... Savage picked a player that he felt was superior to the other players on the team at that position. He drafted a guy he felt can be great.
It happens every draft. Every year teams take players at a position already manned by a different player. BFD!
Besides, maybe Savage thinks that Frye can be a good backup. Good backup QBs have value to their team.
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Besides, maybe Savage thinks that Frye can be a good backup. Good backup QBs have value to their team.
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It's obvious to me Savage has zero confidence in Frye or Anderson by his ACTIONS.
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The words Frye, Pro Bowl and Veteran all together....just made me laugh.
IMO...he wasn't picked to be our starter, it just turned out that way.
I would trade Frye for whatever we can get for him, a lot of teams could use a back-up with a little bit of experience.
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To pick a SINGLE QB at #22 unless you feel you desperately need a QB.
You do if your merely looking to upgrade!
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So he has no confidence in Frye but you think someone else does? Confidence and value have to be earned. Wich is something Frye has not done in this league. This year is Fryes year. If he can beat Quinn in camp and play the season with an improved line, an improved running game, receivers who have had some time to mature his value can only rise assuming he has enough fire and skill to beat out a rookie with accuracy issues. Personally I think Frye can keep his job this year if he keeps his focus.
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To pick a SINGLE QB at #22 unless you feel you desperately need a QB.
You do if your merely looking to upgrade!
That's not what I said, way to cut off what I actually said.
Use your brain. You don't make the move Savage made unless you think Frye and Anderson are losers.
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So he has no confidence in Frye but you think someone else does?
Tampa Bay had no confidence in Steve Young so they drafted Testaverde and traded Young away. So yes, one team can have zero confidence and another team can see something in a player. Other teams can see that Frye improved last year and think he might continue to improve. Obviously Savage doesn't think he can improve. If we let Frye stay on the team this year and he doesn't improve then no team will want to trade for him.
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To pick a SINGLE QB at #22 unless you feel you desperately need a QB.
You do if your merely looking to upgrade!
That's not what I said, way to cut off what I actually said.
Use your brain. You don't make the move Savage made unless you think Frye and Anderson are losers.
So you honestly think that Frye and Anderson can be SUCCESSFUL QB's in this league?
you had a good run Hank.
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So you honestly think that Frye and Anderson can be SUCCESSFUL QB's in this league?
Yes, if given a line, a running game, and receivers that catch the ball and run proper routes, something neither of them had last year.
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So you honestly think that Frye and Anderson can be SUCCESSFUL QB's in this league?
Yes, if given a line, a running game, and receivers that catch the ball and run proper routes, something neither of them had last year.
So what you are saying is that they aren't talented enough to make those around him better? Because good QB's find ways to carry their teams.
you had a good run Hank.
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Steve Young was brought in as a backup, not a starter.
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I see it like this Soup
Many know i feel Frye is nothing but a "back-up" he lacks an NFL Quality Arm, throws too many ducks, and usually when he runs, he makes things worse BUT
that being said, we should not trade or attempt to move Frye "yet" we need to keep Frye
Let Frye and Quinn Battle it out in Camp, only way Quinn Starts is if he downright embarasses Frye(which is possible mind you, Quinn has 3 times the arm Frye has) but we need to keep Frye. If Frye starts this year
Fantastic! he will finally have an OL then there is no more excuses, but teams stack the box because they don't respect Frye's arm. Ruben Droughns rushing numbers went to garbage the day Frye too over as starting QB..you look up the Stats..compare Droughns rushing # when dilfer was QB compared to Frye...you will see since Frye took over, Droughns suffered big time. dilfer didn't have a noodle arm like Frye does
that is a fact, Frye has a noodle arm. Quinn has an NFL arm, a rocket arm, teams will respect it.
but we need to give Frye atleast a chance, it's only fair, and im fine with giving Frye one last shot at it, i will never boo any cleveland Browns player, i will support and cheer for him regardless, Frye has alot of heart, and i have alot of respect for the kid because of it.
but no way do we get rid of Frye yet, anything could happen at this point
we don't doa nything with Frye, we give Frye a chance to succeed or fail...it's all on Frye now, the OL and RB ius no longer an excuse
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It's obvious to me Savage has zero confidence in Frye or Anderson by his ACTIONS.
I picked this particular comment within that to quote:
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You do if your merely looking to upgrade!
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That's not what I said, way to cut off what I actually said.
Don't tell me that,, it's your quote, you wrote those exact words,,, what's your problem,,, what part of I quoted you exactly did you not understand?
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Use your brain. You don't make the move Savage made unless you think Frye and Anderson are losers.
USE MY BRAIN,,,, USE MY BRAIN YOU SAY.... GEEZ... perhaps you should use your brain,,
Of course it's possible that Savage thinks that Frye and Anderson are losers,,, But I highly doubt,,
Think about it Mensa,,, use that brain of yours,,
Savage said in the presser that he took Thomas because he was the wisest pick. That if he had to go the year with his current stable of QB's he'd do it, but felt that he needed to add to the line..
Now,, Mr Brilliant, when Quinn drops like a rock and suddenly he's within reach of the Browns,, Savage makes a move to get him and is successful,,
TO me, that doesn't sound as if he thought Frye or Anderson were losers,, it sounds like he found a way to UPGRADE and took it,,
USE YOUR BRAIN,,,
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No way Quinn starts week one against Pittsburgh...he'd get eaten alive.
Quinn right now < Frye right now...that won't last long, but that's the story right now.
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No way Quinn starts week one against Pittsburgh...he'd get eaten alive.
Quinn right now < Frye right now...that won't last long, but that's the story right now.
#9 would get eaten alive worse. Quinn would give us the best chance to win.
The Steelers are without Porter, and we've got a line in place. Quinn will be fine.
Quinn > #9, and he's yet to take an NFL snap. I'm that sure of it.
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#9 would get eaten alive worse. Quinn would give us the best chance to win.
My only comment on this topic that is sure to rage through the entire summer is "I'll wait to see what happens between rookie minicamps next week and preseason game 4 before opining".
Browns is the Browns
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I think Quinn is the better QB as of right now... but do you guys really expect us to say "Quinn is our starter" before he even takes a snap in practice?
I'd like to see Quinn no less than 5 games to start the year, then take over.. but, I think he starts week one. JMO.
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Quinn > #9, and he's yet to take an NFL snap. I'm that sure of it.
Were you the one who was sure that Troy Smith was a big player who made big plays in big games?
I'll take a subpar/average veteran over a blue-chip rookie to start the season against my rivals any day...man, those 'Tim Couch all over again cries' aren't accurate...but they're not far off.
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No way Quinn starts week one against Pittsburgh...he'd get eaten alive.
Quinn right now < Frye right now...that won't last long, but that's the story right now.
#9 would get eaten alive worse. Quinn would give us the best chance to win.
The Steelers are without Porter, and we've got a line in place. Quinn will be fine.
Quinn > #9, and he's yet to take an NFL snap. I'm that sure of it.
Did Frye come to your house and kick your dog? Frye had a rating of 90 in the game he played. We lost because the D couldn't stop a 3rd and 20, Eason didn't finish a sack, and the refs cheated flagged Fraser for blocking Ben when he was starting to chase Holly. Frye had nothing to do with the loss. We were in position to win. He's on the O, not the D.
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Frye will be the starter as long as he produces.
Doesn't that mean he would have had to produce in the first place?
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Quinn > #9, and he's yet to take an NFL snap. I'm that sure of it.
Were you the one who was sure that Troy Smith was a big player who made big plays in big games?
I'll take a subpar/average veteran over a blue-chip rookie to start the season against my rivals any day...man, those 'Tim Couch all over again cries' aren't accurate...but they're not far off.
And Smith will probably prove us all wrong. Hell, if the Ravens picked him, who use the same scouting system we do, surely people think well of him.
I don't think it's Tim Couch all over again, not even close. Couch never had Thomas protecting him and never had Edwards or Winslow to throw to, or Jamal Lewis to pound the ball.
Rookie KJ or 3rd year veteran Braylon, hmm...
Quinn's got everything to succeed with.
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Troy Smith will be VERY lucky to ever see the field in Baltimore.
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Doesn't that mean he would have had to produce in the first place?
Funny, I thought a QB needed a team around him to be able to produce. I thought a team needed a line as well. Look at that - we picked Joe Thomas, a LT, to protect the QB - BEFORE we picked the QB! Wow, who;d of ever thought that? Frye - through the first 13 games before he was injured - was the most hit QB in the NFL. That leads to lack of production. THERE IS MORE THAN ONE PLAYER ON AN NFL TEAM.
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Funny, I thought a QB needed a team around him to be able to produce. I thought a team needed a line as well. Look at that - we picked Joe Thomas, a LT, to protect the QB - BEFORE we picked the QB! Wow, who;d of ever thought that? Frye - through the first 13 games before he was injured - was the most hit QB in the NFL. That leads to lack of production. THERE IS MORE THAN ONE PLAYER ON AN NFL TEAM.
Tim Couch led us to the playoffs with a team FAR less talented than this one....
Did I just say that? 
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Quinn's got everything to succeed with.
We are one of the worst, most vanilla offenses in football. We put up no points, and we can't move the ball. The only truly, instantly impactful move we made was Steinbach. Thomas will struggle initially - I can guarantee you that. Fraley is still Fraley - overrated. The right side of our line is still ugly, we're running a new offense...take a look in the mirror, man. I'm reminded of the wide-eyed homers who thought Holcomb was a Pro Bowler. We had a good draft and things are really looking up...but you're talking about our offense like we're the damn Colts.
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Frye might, too.
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I'm guessing you meant CJ and I really hope you're not trying to compare the learning curve of a rookie WR to that of a rookie QB.
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If we throw quinn in to early against Pitt he will get rattled. Throw him in against St. Louis or a bad team.
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We are one of the worst, most vanilla offenses in football. We put up no points, and we can't move the ball. The only truly, instantly impactful move we made was Steinbach. Thomas will struggle initially - I can guarantee you that. Fraley is still Fraley - overrated. The right side of our line is still ugly, we're running a new offense...take a look in the mirror, man. I'm reminded of the wide-eyed homers who thought Holcomb was a Pro Bowler. We had a good draft and things are really looking up...but you're talking about our offense like we're the damn Colts.
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I'm guessing you meant CJ and I really hope you're not trying to compare the learning curve of a rookie WR to that of a rookie QB.
No, in '99 Couch's main target was a little known rookie named Kevin Johnson, surely you remember him. The rest of the receivers were absolute trash.
Braylon in his third year compared to a rookie Kevin Johnson? That's a laughable comparison to begin with. Braylon smokes him.
That's not even factoring in Kellen Winslow and Jamal Lewis.
Thomas starting day one is still the best left tackle we've had since our return. Fraley is not overrated, he's not a guy you lose with, but not a guy you win with either. Eagles had no problem nearly winning the Super Bowl with him. He's only gonna benefit by having quality guys next to him rather than complete stiffs.
You truly believe a line of Thomas-Steinbach-Fraley-Tucker-Shaffer is a bad line? I'm not saying we'll be the Chiefs with Roaf and Shields, but my god, that line can hold its own. No way we're gonna be sacked as often as last year. Especially with a QB who can get the ball out on time and a RB who can find the hole before it closes.
Add in the fact that he's the most NFL-ready QB in recent memory, it's time to pull the trigger. I can say this before minicamp even starts. I compare him to Eli Manning when he came out, but the difference between Eli and Brady is the fact that Brady's gonna have something to prove by falling so far. Plus, when you look at Eli, he looks like a guy who plays not because he wants to, but because he's expected to.
He won't get killed behind this line, and he has more weapons to work with than Couch could ever dream of.
Besides, if there's an outside shot of the *gasp* playoffs this year (playoffs????), the sooner he gets out there and gets used to the speed of the game, the sooner he matures and plays better at the end of the season.
P.S. I don't think we're gonna contend for the playoffs this year, it's just wishful thinking.
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Our offense has zero cohesion...absolutely none. Not on the line, not in the backfield, not in the playbook. Success takes time. I'm not going to get into it...but if you think Quinn has all the tools at his disposal and is ready to step in on day one...that's just a wide-eyed homer waiting to have his heart broken.
We're still a bad football team right now...remember that.
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dont pee on our fire...fans get excited about their teams thats what we do
![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/captainphil/browns bills sig 5.jpg) When it gets cold and snows and the wind blows, you gotta be able to run the ball. - TR
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Joined: Sep 2006
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Legend
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Legend
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dont pee on our fire...fans get excited about their teams thats what we do
So excited that they begin to call for the kid too soon.
Quinn's not going anywhere and this season, neither are we. I'm not against him possibly starting at some point this year...but week one against Pittsburgh?
If you're not sure that you've got your finished product on the field, who's head do you wanted to be slammed into the turf until you figure it out - Frye or Quinn? Frye's already got all of the habits a Cleveland QB picks up: skittishness, locking onto recievers...I don't want Quinn to have them.
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