DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Climate in Berea

" One source said some coaches became upset when a high-ranking personnel member texted from the press box to the sidelines about play calls."

BS
No coach worth a damn is packing a stupid cell phone with him on the side line,let alone looking at text messages.If he is fire his ass.
Then again it's on the internet so it must be true,right guys?

That's a good summation of precisely what an egomaniac would do.

I can't say Haslam is an egomaniac, but his resume doesn't look good.

I said at the end of last year that I found Haslam troubling. He either appointed a specularly dysfunctional front office, or he made a knee jerk reaction.

I lean towards the former, but am troubled by the fact that the dysfunction.

So far he reads like a guy trying to be Jerry Jones. Which is frightening.

I don't find it odd that Dallas and Cleveland were the only two teams to be connected to the notion of Johnny Manziel in the first round.

I wouldn't mind if Shanahan left. He's very gifted, and he's shown he can make things happen. Though he's yet to show consistency, and he can be stubborn, which is a bad trait for a coordinator. I do mind that it sounds like he wants out badly.

Haslam's reputation is mud right now. Whether you think that's fair or not, it's accurate. He's been the laughingstock of NFL owners wire-to-wire for a year.

Winning changes that narrative real quick.

Even if Manziel never plays another down for us. Haslem made a TON of money of the kid. From that perspective, it was a great decision.

That doesn't help our team or our W-L record, but it sure did help his bank account.

How did Manziel make Haslam a ton of money?

Jersey sales. And didn't they get like 2000 Season Tickets sold the night after the draft?

Jersey sales fall under the umbrella of revenue sharing.

31 other owners make the same amount from a Johnny Manziel jersey as Haslam does.

Tickets are split 60/40 with the visiting team, and we always sell out anyway.

I'll give you PSL's and luxury boxes, but I can't see what Manziel brings in short term being as lucrative as winning would long term.

Though he did probably make out like a bandit on alcohol sales once Manziel took the field. Concessions aren't shared.

Which is more money than they would of made if they drafted almost anyone else..

Also..

You're not understanding what I'm saying.

All jersey sales are shared.

Jimmy Haslam makes the same profit off of Johnny Manziel Cleveland Browns jerseys as he would if they were Dallas Cowboys Johnny Manziel jerseys.

Teams don't separate profits from NFL merchandise. It's pooled and shared evenly.

That's dumb.

It's not dumb at all.

It's precisely why the NFL is the league you want to own a team in the most (unless your name is Steinbrenner)

I like how the chart runs counter-clockwise, too.

Tremendously, depressingly appropriate.

I was referring to the meddling part, you are correct on Manziel.

LOL........good observation.

I liked Shannahan but I aint gonna panic if he is replaced because I hate the read option as imho its stupid unless u have a tebow or Kap that cant throw worth a damn anyway. I loved a lot of his play design but I wasnt happy with some of his calls at the end of the game especially early in the year when our run game was so dominate and we asked Hoyer to beat teams. It didnt make any sense to me.

I think he will be a great HC for someone and noone is gonna stop him from making a lateral move especially if he wants to join his dad again. Doesnt have to be any drama involved.

I think if there is any drama it may be between Farmer and Shannahan. I think it may have went back to Ben Tate and him being cut. This was a guy Shannahan was close to and he is really the one that brought him in here and Farmer wanted more from the rookies. Was some rumors floating around for a week or two before he was cut that Farmer was wanting to axe him and Shannahan wanted us to keep him and then well he cut him for being an ass lol.

I dont think it had anything to do with the Qb situation other than Haslam probably did not like the designed QB runs anymore than I did. You have what you believe is your franchise QB and your OC is calling designed runs for him lol.

after watching manzel game against alabama, he is the same qb....just a one read, run first, throwing off back leg qb that got away with throwing it up for grabs in college.

the climate in berea is that we need improvement...had 7-4 record and let joe thomas say hoyer is our guy...

pettin let the vets decide...they were wrong...rex grossman would of been a better backup option at 7-4. imo

Frigid indeed, but to suggest that I take over the reigns at QB? Preposterous.

j/c

I was hoping that we'd go at least two, maybe three seasons without "reports" that things weren't rosy in Berea. Maybe I should have only hoped for one or two.

THIS IS THE CRAP that happens when strangers get together in Dec/Jan/Feb... and try to make something happen in a division that is 3/4ths dominated by teams with some semblance of stability.

I had a very public discussion with Vers on these threads, back when Chud was first fired, and LomBanner were still employed. He gave me a list of reasons to 'stay the course,' and not dump this team altogether. I gotta admit, it was pretty persuasive. At the end, he said words to this effect: "I don't know what else to tell you, Clem. If you go, it will be sad... but ultimately, it's always been your choice to stay or go."

Couldn't argue with a thing he said... and I gave it another year.

Well... it's been another year- and an entirely new cast of names have replaced the old, from top to bottom. And still... STILL we fans are treated to another offseason of dysfunction, infighting, power plays and stupidity. I know that some of it is this new 'sensationalized' press that I'm still trying to get used to, but there is enough smoke in 76 Berea to make me think that there's a fire somewhere.... again.

It's killing me, as a lifelong Browns fan. And it's slowly killing my love for this team. I watch familiar-looking uniforms playing on a familiar field, but I'm losing my emotional connection to what they do on Sunday afternoons, because a group of well-payed egos can't figure out how to run a freakking team.

I've been doing my job for over 30 years. The public actually pays to see us regularly put out a product that satisfies, entertains, engages... and yes, on occasion- actually thrill a mass of people.

We have our own 'family fights' behind the scenes, we knock heads, blister each others' egos, and 'ball-bust' each other with the best of them (musicians are ego-driven 'alpha dawgs' like you wouldn't believe, kids... NONE of them would have jobs if they weren't...) but still, we find a way to set our crap aside when the job needs to get done.

We don't lose on the field. Never. And we play above our pay grade on a regular basis.

Like I told Vers just a scant 12 months ago: "I'm a half-step from cutting this Beyotch to the curb." He did a valiant job of pulling me back from the ledge... and for that, I have to thank him. If I'd dumped this team in Dec of last year, I'd have missed a TON of football that made me say: "This team has given me some wildly entertaining moments this year."

That was then. This is now.
"Then" was fun.
"Now" sucks again. All over again.



Now, look: potentially losing Kyle Shanahan isn't the absolute 'end of the world.' It happens to every team with hot young playaz on the sidelines. What concerns me is this: With 3 changes in ownership, multiple changes in FO and sideline personnel, and unbelievable roster turnover...

...what can ANY of them say to me that could possibly convince me to sustain my support for another year? For the 15 years that I've been a contributing member of this (and the old) board, I've preached 'consistency' and 'continuity.' For all of those 15 years, I've seen nothing but an endless parade of new names, from top to bottom.

No Dick LeBeaus. No Mike Tomlins. No Marvin Lewises. We have ONE- count him... ONE all-pro player who has been here since he was drafted.

---------------

This leaves me with a painful conundrum to navigate.

Fully, HALF of my fandom (dating back to the late '90's) for this team has been cultivated from the social connections I have made with you fellow Browns Fans. Sadly, Our Team has done almost NOTHING to nurture that same connection in me with their production on the field (and in their frakked-up FO)...

So- is there a way that I can emotionally divorce myself from this eternally-dysfunctional football team, and yet still maintain my connection with you all?

I don't know the answer to that question. It's a new puzzle for a New Year. Maybe I'll just hang with you all in the EE and Taligate threads.... but it won't be the same- that's for sure.

One thing's certain: I'll be working on my own answers to this question, while I watch very carefully what happens in the next few months.

I'm not kidding around with this. I'm really close to being done. Look for my new sig to see just how close I really am. I'm taking my beloved Rottie's pic out, until this team shown me that it's worthy of her likeness. My Girl deserves better than this.

_______________

Jimmy Haslam, Ray Farmer, et al: You are in dire danger of losing a fan who has been with this team for more than 40 years. IF YOU SCREW ME ONE MORE TIME, YOU WILL LOSE ME.

of coarse all they have to do is get it right and all is good.....

Dawg... I have a loooongazz memory of pain and disappointment. It's gonna take me a LOT more than a single 7-9 season to get over this 'mood' I'm in.

Some folks actually DO get out of abusive, one-sided relationships.


Not for me.

I need to see some proof that this crazy beyotch is at least in some 12-step program, before I fully re-commit.


Sorry- a half-azzed season of -.500 (with offseason reports of FO infighting) isn't doing it for me any more.

Ha-ha, PDR! Thanks for the laugh.

I am getting a bad feeling about Farmer. Now, if he had nailed the first round instead of blowing two picks, I would feel differently, and I know a GM answers to the owner, even if he is meddlesome. But I fear he and Pettine are on a collision course.
Kyle is going to be a good coach one day and I like him, but he is replaceable. Charlie Weis would be just fine, although with a decent OL and no QB, I want an OC who runs the ball.

"But I fear he and Pettine are on a collision course."

This raises an interesting question (in my mind anyway). If you had to choose between Pettine and Farmer - one stays one goes, which do you keep?

My feeling is that this is a moot question because I would bet big money that Farmer wins a power struggle. But I would be interested in getting the feeling of board.

Pettine. Without a doubt.

That's just it Purp, there is no documentation..none.You have reporters siting inside sources. And we don't know who they are.

How many times have you heard a player that got benched speak out about the injustice of it.. We don't know who spoke up so we don't have a way of knowing how real. that to me isn't documentation, it's school girls gossiping.

But in the end, we believe we want to believe.

No, you don't. You have an actual interview with Loggins himself on an Arkansas radio station and is quoted saying that.

It's all over the place....look it up.

In the context of his statement, we do know who spoke up, and it is documented.

Unless you don't buy Loggains version, which is understandable. But personally, I'd have a hard time believing that a guy who tells an outright fabrication that makes his superiors look like bumbling fools would retain his job for a year.

Personally I think running around thinking the sky is falling because of this one report/podcast is entirely inappropriate. We lament knee jerk reactions from the FO .... what could be more knee jerk than forecasting the break up of the entire FO (OC and one of GM or HC going) based on this one - highly probably bogus - report.

Is it remotely feasible that the FO is one happy unit all on the same page all the time without conflict and strong differences? Heck no. No one should be surprised if there is conflict behind the scenes ... Heck Clem, you said yourself you experience that with a bunch of musicians. Why so shocked if it happens now with this FO? Clem - How dysfunctional would your orchestra look if bits and pieces of the in-house fighting were selective leaked in sensational ways to the media. How even more dysfunctional would it look if completely untrue or unfounded speculative nonsense was additionally layered on top???

From a 7-4 start - we finished badly and that is truly frustrating. And there wasn't anything to make you feel good about a lot of those final 5 games. That's reason to doubt and be concerned - this podcast is nothing more than shock jock journalism. Much of it not based on sources at all - but on the two 'journalists' opinion of what MIGHT happen.

As for the question of Pettine over Farmer - if it came down to that, it's simple for me. Pettine would stay Farmer would go. Just looking at the 1st round alone, Farmer drafted a top 10 pick who fell off the map. A QB that looks woefully out of his depth in the NFL and who had off the field issues. Pettine took a team and is in the process of instilling a culture of accountability, reducing a lot of the in game penalties, and we won more games with more or less a similar team to last year . . . . Farmer might be doing good things I can't see or appreciate, but I know what I can see in what Pettine is doing to make a difference and I know I like it (perfect? No - but very positive for a 1st year rookie HC). But I hope they both stay - Shanny too. Consistency .... we talk about it so much. Wouldn't it be nice to have just a little?

Is this the one from last May when Loggins was talking about the draft room and Haslam wanting Manziel?

Gotta be honest Mac, I'm not sure much of that is true. I mean, it really is possible of course, but you don't know that Haslam and Farmer put pressure on the Coaching staff to use Manziel.

No pressure there. That sounds easy enough. Let's try that.

Fire Manziel. Get something for Gordon perhaps. But this stuff concerns me. It also helps explain part of our losing streak at the end.

Positions change people, or can bring out their true colors.

I prefer we adopt from Haslam down an old Japanese saying about the proper conducting of business: "Don't fix blame; fix problems." It seems simple, but can keep everyone busy going in a like direction.

Browns area GOOD OLD BOY organization , my money , my team , my way " Halasm " period !

Clemmy... I really could care less if the FO and a certain coach ate having a pissy fit with each other..

Once all the facts are out .. And I can take a moment to comprehend the situation and see how it all will affect the team... I'm just going to chill..

One thing I feel is a positive about the climate here...Is that the players didn't seem to QUIT on themselves or the coaching staff...

Maybe Shanny is being a sour grape right now... who knows...

Being a Browns fan is like taking a marriage vow every Sunday... For better or worse we shall stay together..

I'm divorced.. my ex couldn't do the hard love... But I can.. GO BROWNS !!!

I just heard that same quote being reported on ESPN Radio's The Hurd. It makes me wonder....

This coming from a big supporter of Hoyer, Hoyer's play forced the hand so to speak. Hindsight is always 50/50 but I remember the vast majority on here understanding the move at the time. Now, after the implosion of the Cinci game. I would understand with going back to Hoyer for good and giving him the keys for the next few years till we find a true QB to replace him eventually. If upper management is pulling rank on the coaching staff and pressuring, I wouldn't sign here if I were a FA.

Kyle Shanahan, staff inexperience at core of Redskins dysfunction
December 15, 2013 9:34 am ET


For more news and notes from Jason La Canfora, tune into The NFL Today Sunday at noon ET on CBS.

Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, son of head coach Mike Shanahan, has not endeared himself to others on the staff and within Redskins Park, according to numerous team sources. According to current and former staff members, Kyle Shanahan has been granted virtual autonomy by Mike Shanahan to guide the team.

Conversations with several people within the organization have revealed a similar perception of Kyle Shanahan as someone who was empowered and enabled by his father, spending an abundance of time in his father's office, given a wide swath of power, and rubbing many people -- players, fellow coaches and members of football operations -- the wrong way. At the same time, Kyle Shanahan has been the most heavily rewarded of the team's assistant coaches, as team sources said the two-year extension Shanahan earned following the playoff run in 2012 will pay him $1.5M in 2014 alone. That's money he's almost certain to collect away from the team, with this regime widely expected to be fired after this season.

With the team in a 3-10 collapse, Robert Griffin III now inactive and the franchise in disarray, the composition of this staff has fallen under criticism, as has the work of the Shanahans in particular, with the lack of experience and pedigree on the offensive side of the ball seen as a particular problem both within the organization and outside it.

“Kyle is the head coach, it's just that no one knows he is,” said one member of the organization. “He gets whatever he wants. And he has no relationship at all with (quarterback Robert Griffin II). So how could it work?”

Kyle Shanahan apparently rubs many people within the Redskins organization the wrong way. (USATSI)
Kyle Shanahan apparently rubs many people within the Redskins organization the wrong way. (USATSI)
As a former member of the organization put it: “Kyle bitches about everything, and then his father has to fix it. He bitches about the food in the cafeteria, he bitches about the field, he bitches about the equipment. He complains and then Mike takes care of it. Kyle is a big problem there. He is not well liked.”

Several members of the organization said Kyle Shanahan was a cause of internal strife, surrounding himself with young coaches with inferior experience, and allowing for no checks and balances of outside voices in the offensive coaching rooms.

“This is the NFL, it's not supposed to be a training ground for coaches,” said someone who has worked with Kyle Shanahan in Washington. “It's ridiculous. Look at this staff. It sucks. Mike's best buddy is (longtime Shanahan assistant and current linebackers coach Bob Slowik), and Slowik's son is in his second year out of college and he's on the staff. Everyone on the staff is in his first or second year except for Mike and Kyle and Haslett (defensive coordinator Jim Haslett) and Raheem (Morris, the secondary coach), and everyone knows Raheem is there because he is close with Kyle. Those two go way back.

MORE JASON LA CANFORA
More from our NFL Insider
“Kyle's not that confident, so they set him up with a bunch of yes men rather than have some experienced coaches to push him. It's like Kyle is the pied piper and these kids just follow him around. I mean, Mike has been a head coach for 20 years -- usually a guy like that has a posse he can bring with him. So he's got Bobby Turner (running backs coach) here, and Slowik, and that's it. How does that happen? How does he end up hiring all of his son's buddies?

“What Mike has allowed to happen there, with that staff, there is no excuse for. There are guys on that staff who are just not qualified, and it shows up. Have you seen the quarterback develop? Look at (defensive ends Brian) Orakpo and (Ryan) Kerrigan? Are they progressing or regressing? Are you seeing the offensive lineman they drafted making it to the field?' How many players are getting the kind of NFL coaching you'd expect on that staff?”

The Redskins have had a succession of first-time wide receivers coaches on this staff, and the offensive staff has generally been devoid of experience other than Turner. Most of the offensive staff had less than two years of NFL experience before coming to Washington and even in those cases the two years weren't as actual position coaches, but as offensive assistants and low-level help.

Quarterbacks coach Matt LaFleur worked with Kyle Shanahan in Houston and had only two years experience as an “offensive assistant” with the Texans prior to becoming the Redskins QB coach. Similarly, receivers coach Mike McDaniel was a lower-level assistant on the Texans staff before coming to Washington. Tight ends coach Sean McVay's only prior NFL experience to joining Washington came in 2008 as an offensive assistant in Tampa.

“McVay is really the only one of those kids qualified to do what he's doing,” said one member of the organization.

Several members of the Redskins traveling party were perturbed, when, following a win at Dallas on Thanksgiving 2012, Kyle Shanahan and several of his assistants were hollering loudly, crowing and alluding to Cowboys' coach Jason Garrett's job security on the team bus (hooting how they might get him fired) while heading to the airport after the win. The Redskins were just 5-6 themselves at the time and, according to sources, one member of the staff actually told them to “shut up” and diffused the staff.

Furthermore, Kyle Shanahan has long had a very strained relationship with Griffin, sources said, with one staff member saying Shanahan treats Griffin like, “a JV quarterback.”

“Kyle knows ball, but he is just so petty and he picks fights and holds grudges over small stuff,” the source said. “He's a mountain out of a molehill guy, and he's got entitlement syndrome. That's why we ended up hiring all of his close friends and buddies, so no one can challenge him. But it makes you worse in the long run, because there is no accountability. Ultimately, it's his father's fault for pacifying his son.”

Kyle Shanahan had a good run as a member of Gary Kubiak's staff in Houston -- Kubiak was a longtime assistant to Mike Shanahan -- and with the Redskins crumbling, he could end up finding a spot under Kubiak elsewhere if Washington owner Dan Snyder makes major changes as expected (Kubiak was fired as Texans coach last week). But it has long been clear to many people in various corridors of the Redskins' organization that the pair of Mike Shanahan, with his son running the offense, in Washington, has been a doomed combination. Especially within the construct of the lack of other strong voices on the offensive side of the ball, and that nepotism has served to hinder, rather than help, the growth of this franchise and the development of RGIII.

Topics: Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins, NFL
ABOUT JASON LA CANFORA
FOLLOW ON TWITTER
author photoBefore joining CBS Sports, Jason La Canfora was the Washington Redskins beat writer for The Washington Post for six years and served as NFL Network's insider. The Baltimore native can be seen every Sunday during the season on The NFL Today.


BIGGEST STORIES

NFL
All-Prisco Team
The 2014 All-Prisco Team
NFL
Mock drafts: Winston to Titans
2015 NFL Draft
NFL
Stafford caught on tape protesting PI non-call
NCAA Football
Winston leaving Florida State for NFL Draft
NFL
Obama: 'Pretty aggravated' if fan of Lions
NFL
Wisconsin governor jabs Cowboys fan Christie
NCAA Football
Report: Winston accuser files civil suit vs. FSU
News
Giants fire DC Fewell | Saints keeping Rob Ryan
COMMENTS

145
SIGN IN WITH



27 people listening


+ Follow Conversation
Share
POST COMMENT
Newest | Oldest | Top Comments
Ray Novicio
Dec 15, 2014
After another disastrous year it looks like RGIII can't read defenses and Kyle and Mike were right about him. RGIII and dad didn't want to run the read option in 2013. Now it's the end of 2014 and RGIII is a disaster without the read option.

FlagShareLikeReply
clutchiness
they are all ruining each others reps now, kind of amusing but sad too

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
TheBigFoxx
The Shanahans have destroyed their rep more than Snyder or Rg3 are.

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
clutchiness
none of us will know what's really been going on in that org, but he (like shanny and rg3) didn't come in with a rep.

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
TheBigFoxx
JLC is the absolute last NFL writer who would carry water for Snyder. Snyder hates him.

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
clutchiness
don't think that's Snyder, but other staff coaches who want a job next yr

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
sealevelattitude
Dec 17, 2013
Kyle looks like an aging boy, not a man. Can't lead like that.

FlagShareLikeReply
Nathan_Shearer
Everyone should read this. I've heard about this, and believed this for awhile. Kyle is trash.

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
TheKGShow
sounds believable 2 me.

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
sexlordjimbo
Dec 16, 2013
Kyle Shanahan had plenty of experience and success as a OC at Texas. He helped Schaub look great. Pinning this collapse on Kyle is sloppy. It's not his fault. It's RGIII. RGIII. RGIII didn't make his throws. Early in the season, as his passes sailed over everyone, or into the hands of the secondary, it wasn't because Kyle told him to throw like a retard. It's because RGIII had his head screwed on backwards. Maybe it's Kyle's job to control RGIII's mental state?

FlagShareLikeReply
Fourth Ring
Dec 16, 2013
Wa it Kyle who helped Schaub or was it Andre Johnson?



It's a rhetorical question. You know, the NFL isn't the only trendy thing in the world for you to leach from. I know you want to feel included but really, try going to a boy-band concert. Chances are you might get to actually meet Kyle in person if you did.


FlagShareLikeReply
Redskins_FTW
so Mike benched RGIII for Kyle?

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
JKWIQ
Dec 16, 2013
BigKittyJS:



An unhealthy and off season rehabbing RG3 played against teams like the Packers(w/Rodgers), Bears, Lions, 49ers, Chiefs, Broncos, Chargers - FACT



A healthy and full off season/preseason training Kirk Cousins gave up 17 points on 3turnovers to a terrible Falcons team defense that had no game film on him no less, which contributed significantly to a loss for the team after all his pre week hype by many posting on here - FACT





Thanks.


FlagShareLikeReply
elephant 3
Dec 16, 2013
This is a tragedy....I thought when Mike brought his son in it was a mistake, but this info. is ridiculous. Sounds like the Shanahans need to be put on a island of misfit toys never to be claimed.

FlagShareLikeReply
geewild66
Dec 16, 2013
Where is Tim Tebow ???? go TIMBOW go

Washington should give him a go - they have tried everything else, I think.

Maybe they should bring in FAT ALBERT as coach along with Chad Ochostinko & a couple of other ding dongs for a couple of years.


FlagShareLikeReply
snooplamb
Dec 16, 2013
Shanny clan is heading to Cabo in two weeks. Got get more tanned up.

FlagShareLikeReply
jebnash
Dec 16, 2013
Leave them alone and they will just rot away and never be seen again. Snyder thougt he was doing good to get The Shanny Clan. Wrong!! He has become the laughing stock of the NFL.

FlagShareLikeReply
_Devastator
Dec 16, 2013
So the second year guys on the staff that helped vault this team into the playoffs last year are idiots now?

FlagShareLikeReply
globalexplorer
Dec 16, 2013
Apparently, they always were idiots who managed to get into the playoffs last year. The real question is how much help did they give young talent to boost them into the playoffs. I would say lousy showings by Dallas and Philly had much to do with it.

FlagShareLikeReply
bawanderr
Dec 16, 2013
Wow, I didn't know things in Washington were this bad. I knew they were in free fall but those comments about Kyle knowing ball but being very petty and surrounding himself with "yes" men puts things in a very different light. That's a picture of one spoiled punk.

Indy at least sucked for Luck. Washington, you just plain old suck!


FlagShareLikeReply
Polite
Dec 16, 2013
"And he has no relationship at all with (quarterback Robert Griffin II)."

The second RG is a QB?


FlagShareLikeReply
StayMediumBlog
Keep in mind this story was leaked for a reason, and we're getting one side of it

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
globalexplorer
Dec 16, 2013
@StayMediumBlog More like this story is being reported after Prisco told some of the story on television.

FlagShareLikeReply
lumpoco
Dec 15, 2013
“Kyle knows ball, but he is just so petty and he picks fights and holds grudges over small stuff,” the source said. “He's a mountain out of a molehill guy, and he's got entitlement syndrome."



Whoever this unnamed source is it's so obvious that he didn't graduate from college. The guy talks like a dumb jock. So how are we suppose to take his words seriously?


FlagShareLikeReply
Jonathan Lee
Dec 16, 2013

You don't have to graduate from college to recognize a sh*t show, sir! Stop being such an elitist. You can be "a dumb jock" and be a credible source at the same time. Also, I understand the frustration of unnamed sources, but usually that how it works.

FlagShareLikeReply
bawanderr
Dec 16, 2013
Perhaps he comes off as a "dumb jock" that didn't graduate college to you, but he makes a lot more sense with his words than that most-recent ex-president who supposedly did graduate and that you likely voted for.

Just an FYI from a non-college grad, the word you sought is "Whomever", not "Whoever".


FlagShareLikeReply
bawanderr
Dec 16, 2013
And, as it's a prepositional phrase, there should be a comma after the word "is" and before the word "it's". Just another little ghost for the offering from a non-college grad who last took an English course in 1977.

FlagShareLikeReply
thomassails
Dec 16, 2013
wow. You really are full of yourself.

FlagShareLikeReply
Jfull11
Dan gave Mike the keys to the proverbial billion dollar car he then gave to his cocky little whiner son. Mike's fault 100%

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
RedskinsFanKC
media causes problems and are idiots.

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
dk13beso
Dec 16, 2013
@RedskinsFanKC Yeah; that's it. The Redskins suck because of the Washington Post!

FlagShareLikeReply
SkipOliva
Although it makes you wonder about the 20 or so Redskins beat writers who seemed to know nothing about this for four years.

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
KNBrowner
I agree this is the cronyism...

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
dk13beso
Dec 16, 2013
@KNBrowner It's called nepotism in my redneck of the woods!

FlagShareLikeReply
1chimpninja
why would Allen and Snyder allow such a weak staff to be hired? Mind blowing

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
SkinsCrazed
because they were trying to do what fans have been begging for... Staying out of the football side of things

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
1chimpninja
be careful what we wish for eh?

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
SouperMeister
Dec 15, 2013
@1chimpninja Snyder never should have allowed Shanny to hire his son. Nepotism is never good for organizational morale.

FlagShareLikeReply
SkinsCrazed
oh now I'm excited to read this... In the worst way

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
vkim68
Looks like Dan Snyder is going to have to suck up the 7M now for sure. Who is brave enough to take a job coaching this mess?

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
diehardskins21
Disgusting!!!

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
_NPOB
All this Redskin gossip that should have a show on E! - Reporters are now lackeys.

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
AnthonyRaposa
so much drama!!! Coaching changes must happen. Period.

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
pliz88
Strategic character assassinations b/t factions. The redskin way. Smh

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
S_Houser
it's so pathetic. Wish we could just get these two clowns out of here right now. It's a joke

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
mdstar08skins
It sounds like it is more Kyle creating this circus than Mike but Mike never said Grazianos report was false

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
S_Houser
and the reason why kyle is causing a circus is because his daddy is letting him. Sick of it.

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
mdstar08skins
Yeap which is absolutely absurd

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
DaAnsahonSports
its not true

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
Peace6574
Me too. I want my next breaking news update about my team to be Kyle & Daddy kicked to the curb SMH sad

Reply on TwitterRetweetFavoriteFlagShareLikeReply
Show More Comments
Conversation powered by Livefyre

NEVER MISS A MOCK DRAFT
Sign up to our newsletter and find out who your team could be picking
Login or Register to Sign Up


NFL VIDEO

January 7, 2015
Jameis Winston going pro (3:07)


January 7, 2015
Redskins to hire Scot McCloughan
(4:05)

January 7, 2015
La Canfora on the Dolphins
(3:53)

January 7, 2015
Boomer & Carton: NFL admits missed call during Lions-Cowboys
(4:45)
LATEST

NHL | 12:29 pm
NHL Report Card: Grades for second quarter of the 2014-15 season
NFL | 12:26 pm
Bill Belichick had Pope jokes at his press conference
NCAA Football | 12:17 pm
Report: Jameis Winston accuser files civil lawsuit against FSU
12:06 pm
Boxing great Muhammad Ali released from hospital
12:04 pm
NJ high school football team suspended for hazing will return
NBA | 12:04 pm
VIDEO: Four minutes of the Hawks' solid ball movement after timeouts
NFL | 11:47 am
Agent's Take: Brady's restructured deal unlikely to be copied
NBA | 11:35 am
Report: Grant Hill, Bryan Colangelo, Levien interested in Hawks ownership
NFL | 11:33 am
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, man of the people, fires shot at Chris Christie
Golf | 11:26 am
Mailbag: Will Jordan Spieth or Rickie Fowler have a better season?

MOST POPULAR

1President Obama: I'd be 'pretty aggravated' if I were a Lions fan
2Report: NFL admits to Lions that refs made second costly error
3Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston declares for 2015 NFL Draft
4Matt Stafford mic'd up on non-PI call: How does that get overturned?
5Baseball Hall of Fame: Johnson, Martinez, Smoltz, Biggio elected
CBSSPORTS.COM SHOP

College Bowl Bound
College Bowl Playoff Gear
Support your school
Shop Now
NFL Division Champs Gear
Knit Hats for Winter
Winter Clearance Sale
Shop Fan Gear