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Saw on the News one in NY and one in Minnesota recruiting fighters for Mid east. Lots of Christian street preachers listed online.

I guess I probably should've assumed you wouldn't know what 'cite' means.

To cite, which is a verb that stems from the noun citation, is to quote (a passage, book, or author) as evidence for or justification of an argument or statement, especially in a scholarly work.

Wow.

Here's your reply to eo in a different thread: "If you have such thin-skin that a little ribbing sends you into indignant whining, then maybe you should consider dropping the snarky and condescending persona you present."

maybe you should consider dropping the snarky and condescending persona you present."


Just saying.

If I had such thin-skin that a little ribbing sent me into indignant whining, then, yes, snark and condescension would probably be something to refrain from.

What exactly is your point in citing the above?

If you try, you'll figure it out.

Oh your honor, I didn't realize I was doing scholarly work, I assumed I was talking to some guy on the Browns Board who has a tendency to be kinda weird.

Do you know what an if/then clause is? Or a conditional sentence?

I wasn't saying that he shouldn't be condescending. I said if he was going to be thin-skinned and whine about how he's treated, then maybe he shouldn't condescend.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_sentence

Like I said.

Add 'especially' to the list of words he doesn't seem to understand.

When I was younger, my grandmother advised me to write down any word that I didn't understand, and then look them up at the end of the day.

It's a good tool to expand vocabulary and overall intelligence.

And if you can't argue a simple thesis statement in a political debate thread - which you don't appear capable of - maybe the Smack Shack is a better venue for you?

And you don't see how condescending you are?

I can be extremely snarky and condescending.

What's your point here?

I'm new here so can someone (not PDR) please explain to me if PDR owns this site or something? One discussion after another goes down the toilet because of this guy.
Turning into a big waste of time and has me longing for the good old days.

I am not at fault for your inability to make a coherent argument.

I don't think that's what he's trying to convey. What I think he's trying to state is that the government can restrict speech if it's intention is to incite violence against the US government or the citizens of this country. It doesn't have to include actual violence against citizens of this country. I would ask 40years to correct me if I am wrong.

For example, an Islamic cleric preaching that he wants to impose Sharia law throughout the USA is enough to come down upon them. The cleric wouldn't (in a sane society) claim religious freedoms because Sharia law violates about every law in this country. There is an actual word for it, it's called subversion and it's against the law.

This isn't true at all.

You won't find many prosecutors who would press such charges. You may find a few, in areas where that would gain political points. But a conviction would be beyond difficult, and an upholding of such a conviction after an appeal to higher courts would have no chance.

Now, if there is a specific plot or instruction to commit a crime that accompanies such preaching, then it's certainly a different story.

But a Muslim advocating the words in his book of fairy tales as gospel is pretty well protected.



Have there been any cases in U.S. court that set such a precedent? Or is this a description of how you interpret U.S. law personally?

You can arrest for preaching for the committing of violence against people. Yes, you can. If it's against the government, you could level the charge of subversion or sedition against them. If it's against people, then the charge can be conspiracy.

This argument wouldn't just be thrown out of court. It would be laughed out of court. And the prosecutor presenting it would most likely lose their job.

By that absurdist logic, a priest or rabbi reading Leviticus to his congregation would be liable for sedition charges.

From now on I will PM you with my opinions and you can spoon feed them to you know who.

Not just Leviticus.

Don't worry about that, but if it's not obvious that Islamic law is not compatible with the U.S. Constitution, then we're screwed anyway.

So you're describing how you interpret U.S. law rather than actual U.S. law in practice?

His point was that you can be condescending, if you can dish it, or if you have an idea what you're talking about.

I would say that I'm describing the law, not it's actual enforcement.

The most frequent form of PC comes from those who consistently want to avoid discussion by throwing the "PC" card.

If you're part of the discussion is not valid enough just claim that you're not being listened to because others are not letting you speak truth.

You are politically Correct Sir.

Still waiting on your response as to how my views accept Islamic law.

Or was it you just talking out the side of your neck.

From the article:



As I said:

j/c

Here is an essay written by someone who practices Islam. I urge us all to read it.

An interesting take.

These two key parts jumped out at me.

Part I: As to why these events happen



Part II: Why not these attacks aren't Islamic



Too bad people will continue to think otherwise about Islam, though.

Times three.

Mentally unstable people being preyed on to the bidding of political or religous theology.

Pretty scary times these days. It seems like there are more of these cells all over the world, including here in the USA. I do worry that something will happen here. Whether it be on a normal day or during some major event. We already have seen something very similar during the Boston Marathon.

I live in a major city, but far enough, where I wouldn't be in any immediate danger during any kind of attack like that, but I have to admit my wife and I have talked about getting a gun, and possibly conceal/carry license.

I am very proud for the way the people of France came out today. That was very impressive, and quite moving. I think it sent a pretty big message to the world as well as these psychotic extremist groups.

It just seems like it's becoming a way of life now. Boston, Sydney, Mumbai, Ft. Hood, Madrid, London, etc.. Not to mention the ones that happen in underdeveloped parts of the world, or the attempts that were foiled by law enforcement. I don't know if it's because the media is just more at our fingertips now, and there's a lot more information to take in, or if it seems like these groups are ratcheting it up.

What's stopping you? I think everyone should take the course as it's very informative and actually enjoyable. You can make a decision afterward once you have the knowledge.

I always get a chuckle from posts like this or when people say these things to me in public.

Why is it that no one gets soooo concerned when they decide to by a hammer? Why no posts when thinking of purchasing an ax or drill?

Guns are only tools. They just sit there till you do something with them.

If you don't learn the proper way to handle and carry any tool, it can hurt you, your loved ones and others. Tools can kill!

If you sleep with a saw under your pillow...
If you leave a gun or hammer where your kids can get at them...

Well good luck with your decision and thanks for the chuckle. Remember, don't use a hammer to cut wood or a saw to drive nails. Always use the proper tool for the job at hand.

Really? You really want to compare a gun to a hammer and don't know why people would hesitate owning/carrying a gun vs owning/carrying around a hammer...????

How many times have you heard of a hammer accidentally being used to kill someone? You mishandle a hammer... you might get a sore finger, or claw marks in your face or something... mishandle a gun???

I'd much rather someone take their time and think about this then just buy one/carry one and figure the rest out later... smh

I've never been big on guns.. Don't get me wrong, I've always been supportive of the right to own them, as long as you fit the criteria, but it's just never been something my family has been about.

A year ago I finally got the opportunity to shoot. I've said it a few times on here, but my wife is a police dispatcher. She's pretty familiar with guns. Some of the officers took me down in the basement to their range. I shot 7 different guns. I actually felt a lot better after doing it. It's really intimidating holding a gun waiting to shoot the first time. It's a lot of power in your hands. Certainly more than a hammer.

1-Would you like a list of hammer accidents? Would you like stories of children having a hammer dropped on their head from an upper shelf? Nail gun deaths? Chainsaw deaths?

2-Did I not mention If you don't learn the proper way to handle and carry any tool, it can hurt you, your loved ones and others. Tools can kill!

If you sleep with a saw under your pillow...
If you leave a gun or hammer where your kids can get at them...

If you read what I said, You would see my concern to proper usage and adult thinking. Tools are dangerous.

As someone who has shot expert on multiple assault rifles, pistols, shot guns, and heavy weapons,

Your response is hands down the dumbest debate about weapons I have ever heard. Ever.