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I bet I have shot more than you ever have swish. All my life is a lot longer than than yours.
Be careful about calling out stupid cuz your little
friends will gnaw your skull again.

Lets clear a forest with chainsaws sometime, you will see how dangerous tools can be.

I think we should consider banning all household hammers.

I called your argument dumb. Not you.

A hammer, car, chainsaw, nail gun, whatever wasn't invented to kill something. Let's get that straight. That's one of the most flawed arguments ever.

A hand guns sole purpose at the time of invention is to kill something or someone. Same with rifles, whatever.

Like I said. Flawed as hell.

Yawn...
Chainsaws kill trees.

A hammers sole purpose is to drive nails.
A guns sole purpose is to be a tool to offer protection and to even the odds when a big guy with a hammer decides to bash your head and take your wife.

Its only a gun for pete's sake, I know people who overreact to chainsaws and can't handle them either. Treat your tools with respect and they will only do what you ask them to do. Learn to use them wisely and they will help you get the job done.

Maybe it's time to ban message boards.

Think of all the new rehab centers and 12-step programs that would pop up afterward. This could really lead to a boost in the nation's economy!

Maybe you guys could get the Government to fund it.

At least a boost to the national IQ.

Interesting cover choice.

I'm with Kareem on this one.

These guys aren't 'religious zealots'... they're thugs, bullies and low-info socipaths, working for cowards who hide behind the scenes.

That rally in Paris was epic- and made a worldwide statement: "You can't break us."

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IMHO, it was only a matter of time before civilized society called these fools out for what they really were... and it was inspiring to see this display of defiance to a small number of outcasts who seek legitimacy by the most heinous and cowardly of tactics.

A million people from everywhere did this thing. Their voices drowned out the noise from the sensationalist press, the fearful- and the 'teachings' of radical Imams everywhere. These everyday citizens drew a frekkin' line. It was incredibly cool to see.

Charlie Hebdo published their next issue on-time, and pulled no punches. Free Speech has not been silenced.

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I just heard Salman Rushdie speak on this very thing, just last week.... and I think he has encapsulated the heart of "Islamic Terrorism" in a way the MUST be considered. I believe that- more than anyone else- he's in a position to know about such things.

Here is an excerpt from a recent episode of 'Real Time.' Mr. Rushdie is given a chance to talk about the motivations behind the radical Islamic movement- and its aims. I direct you to the 3:45 time point, at which he synthesizes a very salient point... a point which MUST be considered, if we are to begin making sense of this latter-day phenomenon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvgdPAEu8vA

[I've chosen to not embed this video, because the "F-bomb" gets dropped on more than one occasion. Still, I encourage you to watch the entire discussion, as it deals directly with the content of my post]


[Salman Rushdie, at 12:55]: "What would a 'respectful' political cartoon look like?"

[Clemdawg, at 10:56 PM, EST]: "It would look like a strip from Charles Shultz's 'Peanuts.' "

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It's a middle finger. I applaud them for doing it.

I don't know if I'd call it a middle finger, exactly.

I understand putting him back on the cover is a defiance in that regard, but I think we all knew they were going to put him on the cover.

But proverbial middle fingers don't often come with an offer or declaration of forgiveness.

If they REALLY wanted to 'make a statement," they could have drawn a man in a beret flinging a shoe at The Prophet's head...

I agree.

Is it worse to legally broadcast your beliefs in response to a murderous assault or murder people to broadcast your beliefs?

France is a secular nation and journalists there have the right to publish that cover.

I see no difference between this cover and being labeled
"The Great Satan".

I also would have no problem with the French burning the ISIS flag or effigies of these "martyrs".

Of course that's not because they have a stellar record with their minorities.

Portland teen accused of threatening to ...urt records say

By Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive
on January 12, 2015 at 4:41 PM, updated January 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM

A 19-year-old is accused of threatening workers repeatedly at a Northeast Portland deli when he wasn't able to buy a single cigarette, saying he would blow up the store "in the name of Allah," court records say.

Abdalah Mohamed also is accused of making disparaging remarks about Jews and Israel in July, according to an arrest warrant affidavit.

Mohamed was arraigned Monday afternoon on two counts of second-degree intimidation. He entered not guilty pleas to each count.

He was booked into the downtown Portland jail on the warrant Friday.

Court records indicate he's lived in Northeast Portland for about six years and is originally from Kenya.

According to Multnomah County Deputy District Attorney Richard Freud, Mohamed entered Ira's Deli at 7215 N.E. Prescott St. on the morning of July 14 and asked to buy a cigarette.

Shaheen Brodle, who was working behind the counter, told the teen that the deli didn't sell cigarettes individually and that he'd have to buy a pack if he wanted any cigarettes, Freud wrote.

Mohamed demanded to speak to the owner, identified in the warrant as Iraj Rafai. Rafai came to talk to Mohamed and reiterated what Brodle had told Mohamed, the affidavit said.

That's when Mohamed started shouting threats laced with profanity and demeaning comments about Jews and Israel, Freud wrote.

According to the affidavit, Mohamed screamed, "I will blow up your store'' and "I'm going to send my guys to shoot up your store.'' Mohamed also referred to the owner as a "Jew'' and an "Israeli.''

"You Israeli ... I'll blow up your store in the name of Allah!'' Mohamed is accused of yelling, Freud wrote in the affidavit. "We take care of people like you.''

Mohamed left the store, continuing to yell at Rafai and spit on the ground toward Rafai, the affidavit said. While police were investigating and interviewing witnesses at the deli, Mohamed is accused of calling the store and leaving another derogatory message, the affidavit said.

Police identified Mohamed after viewing video surveillance images from the deli, the affidavit said.

Mohamed is also accused of cocaine possession in an unrelated case, according to court records.

According to court records, Mohamed came to the United States in 2000.

He's due back in court Jan. 21.

Ohio Man Arrested for Alleged ISIS-Inspired Plot on US Capitol, FBI Says

Jan 14, 2015, 5:47 PM ET
By PIERRE THOMAS, JACK DATE, MIKE LEVINE and JACK CLOHERTY

The FBI today arrested an Ohio man for allegedly plotting an ISIS-inspired attack on the U.S. Capitol, where he hoped to set off a series of bombs aimed at lawmakers, whom he allegedly considered enemies.

The FBI first noticed Cornell several months ago after an informant notified the agency that Cornell was allegedly voicing support for violent “jihad” on Twitter accounts under the alias “Raheel Mahrus Ubaydah,” according to charging documents. In addition, Cornell allegedly posted statements, videos and other content expressing support for ISIS -- the brutal terrorist group also known as ISIL -- that is wreaking havoc in Iraq and Syria.

“I believe that we should just wage jihad under our own orders and plan attacks and everything,” Cornell allegedly wrote in an online message to the informant in August, according to the FBI. “I believe we should meet up and make our own group in alliance with the Islamic State here and plan operations ourselves."

In the message, Cornell said that such attacks “already got a thumbs up” from radical cleric Anwar Awlaki “before his martyrdom.”

Christopher Lee Cornell, 20, of Green Township, was arrested on charges of attempting to kill a U.S. government official, authorities said.

According to government documents, he allegedly planned to detonate pipe bombs at the national landmark and open fire on any employees and officials fleeing after the explosions.

The FBI first noticed Cornell several months ago after an informant notified the agency that Cornell was allegedly voicing support for violent “jihad” on Twitter accounts under the alias “Raheel Mahrus Ubaydah,” according to charging documents. In addition, Cornell allegedly posted statements, videos and other content expressing support for ISIS -- the brutal terrorist group also known as ISIL -- that is wreaking havoc in Iraq and Syria.

“I believe that we should just wage jihad under our own orders and plan attacks and everything,” Cornell allegedly wrote in an online message to the informant in August, according to the FBI. “I believe we should meet up and make our own group in alliance with the Islamic State here and plan operations ourselves."

In the message, Cornell said that such attacks “already got a thumbs up” from radical cleric Anwar Awlaki “before his martyrdom.”

Awlaki was killed in a U.S. drone strike in 2011, but his online messages calling for attacks on the West live on.

U.S. officials considered Awlaki an operational leader within al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Yemen-based terror group tied to the deadly assault on a satirical magazine in Paris last week.

Cornell and the informant met in Cincinnati over two days in October, and then another two days in November. During the last meeting, Cornell told an FBI informant that members of Congress were enemies and that he wanted to launch an attack on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C., according to charging documents.

Cornell then allegedly saved money to finance the attack and researched how to build bombs, the FBI said.

Earlier today, while also taking “final steps” to travel to Washington for the attack, Cornell allegedly bought two semi-automatic rifles and 600 rounds of ammunition from a store in Ohio, authorities said.

Within hours of Cornell’s arrest, the FBI and Department of Homeland Security issued a bulletin to law enforcement agencies across the country notifying them of the case.

"The alleged activities of Cornell highlight the continued interest of US-based violent extremists to support designated foreign terrorist organizations overseas, such as ISIL, by committing terrorist acts in the United States,” the bulletin read. “Terrorist group members and supporters will almost certainly continue to use social media platforms to disseminate English language violent extremist messages."

I don't know if its on purpose or not, but I find it unfortunate that someone so staunchly 2nd Amendment is being so dismissive of Spergen's consideration to introducing a fire arm in to his home. It sounds to me like you should be applauding such thoughtful consideration and RESPECT for what a gun is capable of doing. Frankly there needs to be more of that.

There's also a lot that a gun CAN'T do for you. It can't make you more tactically aware of your surroundings. It can't protect you from someone breaking in to your home when you aren't there, and its about as worthless as a rusty dull saw when you're at the ATM and someone runs up behind you.

I don't know man, maybe you aren't being as dismissive as I think. But its how you're coming across. At minimum I think you're over simplifying his decision.

I think what is the challenge to get past however is the actual scale of these violent acts. Yes the KKK has committed acts of terror in the name of Christianity... but have you ever heard of a Klan wasting an entire village of people in the name of Christianity? Massing in the thousands, creating armies and terrorizing entire regions and countries (a la ISIS) in the name of Christianity?

I'm not religious, so please don't take this to mean I'm trying to say one is better than the other. My point is that with the radical Islamists, there is a significantly higher volume of people that are directly terrorized and through the media many times more people who are in fear. Add in that there are few if any examples of the peaceful, moderate Muslims defending and repelling the extremists (think Iraq).

What I do find encouraging and will hopefully go a long way in accurately representing Muslims is the number of Muslim leaders who have come out and outright denounced the attacks at Charlie Hebdo. Maybe this happens more than we realize but don't ever see because of the media in this country?

I think the KKK or some militias could willingly cause as much grief as ISIS if they controlled the finances and the law.

....and had the support of millions worldwide.

You misunderstand what I have been saying. To make it short, I don't understand all the fuss about his buying a gun. Like any other dangerous tool, buy it, learn its proper use, learn about the safety aspects of gun ownership and enjoy the darned thing already. The gun is not the threat, the owner is. Be wise, be safe and you will have years of enjoyment.

Same advice I would give to someone looking to buy a chainsaw.