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So who took it from following to physical violence?

I know the answer. I also know you some will say he had no choice, but he did. That is the choice I was talking about. Say he would have just waited for the cops to arrive, what would have happened then?

What is the answer and how do you know it?

The same way everyone else makes bold statements

Nicely done.

What I am asking is how did you come to your conclusion?

The only evidence to suggest that Martin was the aggressor is the word of a man who has displayed a consistent pattern of violent behavior and dishonesty.



Trayvon Martin would've went home?

Would it matter? If I produced a link saying that GZ was telling TM to stop and the cops were on there way, then TM hit him and a scuffle followed. Would it matter?

Nothing here will change anyones mind, for better or worse everyones mind is set.



exactly. That is exactly what he should have done. He made a poor choice. He threw racial slurs (per his phone conversation with his GF) at GM and confronted him instead of waiting for the cops.

If the link backed its assertion or claim with tangible evidence, then yes. Absolutely.

But you were claiming to know something without any evidence to back your claim.

A lot of people talk about Trayvon circling back and attacking Zimmerman as if it were established fact, when that's merely Zimmerman's account.

There is no tangible evidence that establishes who the aggressor was.

j/c

Not sure how a society that believes a person is justified to carry a gun for protection could think a black kid who is being followed in the dark by a white man shares any kind of responsibility in the violence that happens because he feels threatened.

It seems that if Martin would've been a white kid in a black neighborhood, followed by a black man, confronted by the black man, engaged in conflict with the black man who then said he was scared for his life so he shot the white kid....

Well I just doubt there would have been much discussion about what style of threatening(?) wardrobe the white kid was wearing or what his criminal(?)background may have been.

A couple things...

GZ was hispanic, calling him a "white man" shows you are trying to make this more about race.

So again. If someone is following me, and I feel threatened I can go physically attack them and its ok?

Actually, it's the Constitution. I would never allow the NRA to tell me I could own a weapon of any sort, much less a gun.

I just want to clarify something in this sentence. Any law abiding, responsible concealed carrier, knows your first response to any situation is to remove yourself from it. The last thing any one wants to do is have to draw and use their weapon.

Even if I am carrying and someone is following me, I am not turning around to confront them, just because I have a gun.

That said, do not take that as an accusation that I believe Trayvon initiated confrontation, because as I said earlier, we don't know, all we have is the word of Zimmerman.

Actually it's the NRA because when a region uses the constitution to put a vote on a gun issue the NRA quickly steps in to heavily fund opposition, but yea the whole process is based on the constitution not just the NRA's opposition.

Of course for the sake of jumping to the end I will immediately state that I am wrong before this get's all "but the second amendment!".

you realize he self identified as white, right?

thats why this incident was even more crazy. he looks, and is hispanic as hell, but he views himself as white. you haven't paid attention to the situation much when it went down.

Let's not pretend this was never a race issue just for the sake of political correctness which pushes us to never speak of any issue in racial terms.

I agree that Zimmerman's action proved he wasn't a law abiding, responsible concealed carrier and I'm not saying that any SPECIFIC person, who wasn't present that night, is saying TM initiated confrontation.

I am saying a LARGE PART of the response in general (not only on this board, but the other defunct board as well) did claim TM shared responsibility and some even claimed he initiated the violence and I refuse to accept that.

Also, in my belief many (not you in particular) would not have made that claim if the ethnicity had been reversed.

That's my opinion and I would expect others to have different opinions.