|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,683
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,683 |
I think Savage is gaining trust in his Scouts. The selections of McDonald, Purcell and Steptoe are players that barely made the radar. I hope they work out.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 6,445
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 6,445 |
Quote:
Quote:
Going for home runs by giving away picks is something you can afford to do when you have good talent already, we don't.
Help me to better understand your logic here P please...........
If we waited untill next year to draft a QB at let's say #10. What would that have cost us? I mean considering the salary cap,how much money did he SAVE by getting Quinn at #22 than a QB in the 8-12 range next year?
IMO??????
He saved enough money in the salary cap RIGHT THERE,to help sign a GOOD FA next year. So doesn't that FA player equal what we may have gotten in round 2 at our pick there?
I don't have last years figures at hand,but I'm sure it will go a LONG way to help pay for a needed FA next year. And in the mean time? We already have Quinn.
See,to me,that's the bottom line................................
We would have used next years first rounder on a QB. Why pay him DOUBLE when you can get him this year,then replace the player you WOULD have gotten in round 2 with a FA next year with the money you saved NOW! You still come out with three quality players at pretty much the exact same cap hit.
Because in the end,that salary cap is the bottom line.
JMHO
I'm glad somebody finally pointed out the salary cap advantages of getting Quinn at #22. I'm sure others have pointed it out, but I havn't seen it.
That said , it was still quite an investment going up and getting Quinn. Personally, I like the move but only time will tell if it was a good one or not. Look for us to sign another big-name free agent in '08.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,577
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,577 |
IMO.. Savage is getting his coach the tools and the players he needs to win games. I'm not sure what else people want him to do..
RAC needs to start winning.
SaintDawg™
Football, baseball, basketball, wine, women, walleye
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 974
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 974 |
It's been a mixed bag. Our first FA and draft under him sucked. the second draft / FA where much better and filled lots of holes. This draft / FA seemed to solify the offense, and give some help to the D. I agree with the poster that he had a big set to run this draft like this. Just getting Joe made our line termendously better. joe / stien / bents will be a hell of a left side. We may actually be able to run the ball and keep the D off the field. that alone will help our D.
we've had some decisions that make me scratch my head, but he does look like he's learning from his mistakes.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 516
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 516 |
Quote:
IMO.. Savage is getting his coach the tools and the players he needs to win games. I'm not sure what else people want him to do..
RAC needs to start winning.
and that is the bottom line, we are no longer talent stricken, we have some ballplayers on this team now, RAC is out of chances, its do or die by the bye
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,246
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,246 |
Savage is doing a wonderful job right now IMO. Made moves that other people might not have done. And definately has gone out and found the talent in order to make this organization a winning team. However, just like he said in the NFL Draft you just never know. I'm holding the Jury out on the picks and the team itself until I can see it getting done on the field... because that's the only place that matters.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 327
1st String
|
|
1st String
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 327 |
always thought he had talent, savage has done a fantastic job. Reminds me of a younger Bobby Bethard
Ruining QB's since 1999.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,842
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,842 |
Savage is going to be one of the top GMs in the league, if he is not already there.
Liked Savage from day one and he has not disappointed me yet.
You do not have to be a rocket scientist to understand what Savage is doing.
He is one heck of a hard worker, doing his homework before making personnel moves and it is paying off.
If I were Lerner, I would make Savage part owner so he stays with the franchise for the next 20 yrs or so.
FOOTBALL IS NOT BASEBALL
Home of the Free, Because of the Brave...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,405
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,405 |
I like Phil. He's a hard worker, a high reward for risk GM as evident in this draft, and I believe he is convinced he can right the right the ship. He's made good FA aquisitions on paper that injuries have derailed. Not him. That being said...he's no Dwight Clark.  <heavy sarcasm>
"My signature line goes here."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 403
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 403 |
Quote:
what do you all think of Savage now! Are you impressed? Do you feel he made good moves? Did he give up too much for Quinn? Was it too big a risk for Eric Wright..
Are you looking for speculation/opinion?
The only move he made that had any impact at all to me was the Thomas signing. It showed that he wants to build things the "right" way and also went a long way towards convincing me that Lerner truly is allowing Phil to run the show.
That opinion sticks regardless of Joe's play. Even if he busts (don't believe he will) - it was still the right pick. There are no guarantees.
On Wright and Quinn - those moves will be weighted based on the performance of those players over the next few years. The better the players, the better the moves and visa versa.
The rest of the signings were pretty lack-luster in my book, but what can we expect on a top heavy draft?
Hopefully someone makes the roster.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
So imo we did the right thing bro............even in Wright, because he would have been gone in 3, and there just wasn't much talent left at those picks. We rolled the dice a bit, but if it pans out we got 2 STUDS, and another pretty dang good player in a draft that wasn't that good.............and wasn't deep at all. We did the right thing by going with Quality over Quantity in this draft, becuase there would have been very little quality in the quanity we would have gotten in rounds 3-4.
While you can't ignore Wright's past..his skills as a cover corner are just as good as any in the draft..so IMO we have 3 starters..unless Wright doesn't get it..he will start sometime this season..
I jokingly said last week it would be nice to get Thomas/Quinn and I was greedy..well I never thought this would happen..
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,960
Legend
|
|
OP
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,960 |
Quote:
Are you looking for speculation/opinion?
I was looking for opinions! We can Speculate till the cows come home and it won't matter,, we need to see the players that Phil has picked on the field,, then we will know for sure,,
So opinions are all we really can have at this point!!
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 403
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 403 |
Quote:
So opinions are all we really can have at this point!!
I suppose my question was a bit silly. I just had a rough time getting my hands around the concept of someone's opinion of Phil changing the day after the draft.
I have no problems with the Wright pick-up. IMO, though, when you move up for a player there's less "forgiveness" if the player busts. Wright needs to be starting caliber. I expect him to start this year in some capacity.
Same will go for Quinn, to a degree. We passed on him at 3 because he was perceived to be the greater "risk", but by the time he fell to 12 we were hot on his tail. I'm assuming his risk rating was awfully low.
The best thing I like about the order of the picks is that Quinn has very little chance of holding out of camp being the #22 pick, unless his agent tries to pull something stupid. If I had to choose between having Thomas and Quinn in camp on time, I'd choose Quinn - even though I think Joe's very imporatant to get in as well. LT is just not nearly as complex to learn as the QB spot.
I don't know that "camp time" will impact whether Brady starts this year or not, but time in general will be critical in his development, IMO.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,950
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,950 |
I think the man has a pair of big nads.....  nothing chanced, nothing gained..... 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,960
Legend
|
|
OP
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,960 |
Quote:
Same will go for Quinn, to a degree. We passed on him at 3 because he was perceived to be the greater "risk", but by the time he fell to 12 we were hot on his tail. I'm assuming his risk rating was awfully low.
in the end, that may be why we passed on him at 3, but that isn't what Phil said in the Presser,,
He said (and I'm not quoting here) that they passed on Quinn with the 3rd pick because they felt that the line was more important at this point and that they could do fine with Charlie and Derek if the line were improved.. (again, paraphrasing Phil)
Now whether that was spin or fact,, not sure we will ever know!
Quote:
The best thing I like about the order of the picks is that Quinn has very little chance of holding out of camp being the #22 pick, unless his agent tries to pull something stupid
I wouldn't be too sure of that not holding out thing, you may be right, but there is a huge difference in what he will get at 22 vs what he would have gotten anywhere in the top 10..
At 22 last year Manny Lawson got a 5 year deal worth a total of 13.6 mill with 4.9 guaranteed,, even adding in the normal bump from one year to the next, it's peanuts compared to where Quinn was supposed to go,
So, like you say, it's really gonna depend on how big a butt his agent wants to be at this point.. It could end up being nothing, but I wouldn't count on it.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 832
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 832 |
I haven't read all of the responses yet. Phil is desperate. He knows this is 'make or break' time. If the Browns finish 5-11 in 2007, RAC will be gone and PS will be lucky to survive. My personal opinion... 
Wright has character concerns. Two years ago, PS would have avoided this type of player. The off season signing of Jamal Lewis is further evidence that character has been thrown out of the window.
I *REALLY* hope I am wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
U remind me of this.. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,448
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,448 |
Well I have been a vocal critic of Savage since his first draft . Saturday he shut me up ( at least for a while  ) .. This ( Saturday ) is the king of Balls to the walls approach I have been looking for from day one ..
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531 |
I think Savage convinced most of his doubters when he said this, I already said it in this thread but it's worth repeating.
"I in good conscience could not bring in a Brady Quinn without a Joe Thomas."
You look at the other teams with offensive line problems, like the Cardinals and Texans, and you can see who gets it and who doesn't. Once again, the Texans ignored their offensive line. How do you think Matt Schaub will feel? No different than David Carr, that's for damn sure.
If I were a Texans fan, I'd probably wanna quit right then and there.
If Savage doesn't completely get it, he gets it MUCH more than any other GM we've had. I don't think we'll suck for much longer.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 832
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 832 |
Quote:
U remind me of this..
LOL. NIIIIiiiiice!
The quick version of my disgruntlement -
1) Brady is the "day 1" starter. He has the normal rookie struggles. The Browns finish 6-10 and we are still clearly missing a couple pieces of the puzzle. The 2007 season is a wash. And we have no first round selection with which to acquire an impact player to improve the team in 2008.
2) Charlie Frye starts the season at QB. The Browns limp to a 2-5 start, and Brady Quinn takes the helm as the Browns finish 6-10. The 2007 season is a wash. And we have no first round selection with which to acquire an impact player to improve the team in 2008.
3) Charlie Frye starts the season at QB. The Browns fire out of the gate with the improved of offensive line play. Frye plays well enough to keep the job all season (Jon Kitna from a couple of years ago). The Browns reach 8-8/9-7 and are on the cusp of the playoffs. BQ remains waiting in the wings and the Browns have no 1st round selection in 2008.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 327
1st String
|
|
1st String
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 327 |
Quote:
It's been a mixed bag. Our first FA and draft under him sucked. the second draft / FA where much better and filled lots of holes. This draft / FA seemed to solify the offense, and give some help to the D. I agree with the poster that he had a big set to run this draft like this. Just getting Joe made our line termendously better. joe / stien / bents will be a hell of a left side. We may actually be able to run the ball and keep the D off the field. that alone will help our D.
we've had some decisions that make me scratch my head, but he does look like he's learning from his mistakes.
what are u talking about?
1 13 Wimbley, Kamerion DE - - 11 sacks
2 34 Jackson, D'Qwell ILB - - 13 starts 115 tackles
3 78 Wilson, Travis WR 6-2 213 Oklahoma - held out not given much playing time, RAC doesn't git time to holdouts, you know this.
4 110 Williams, Leon ILB 6-3 246 Miami (Fla.) -- 3 starts played, every game, solid on special teams.
4 112 Sowells, Isaac G 6-3 323 Indiana - - incative most of the season.
5 145 Harrison, Jerome RB 5-9 202 Washington State -- contributed, 1 start
5 152 Minter, DeMario CB 5-11 191 Georgia -- DNP
6 180 Vickers, Lawrence FB 6-0 246 Colorado -- played every game, 1 start, Will be the man this year with T.smith being gone.
6 181 Oshinowo, Babatunde DT 6-1 305 Stanford - practice squad, we knew in drafting him he was a developmental player.
7 222 Hamilton, Justin -- special teams, and contributed on D at the end of the season.
What a sucky draft, we got a starting OLB, ILB, FB
solid contributions from 3
and wilson should get a much better shot.
IMO that is good, not great not bad. but you can't fill every hole in 1 draft and you will always have people that don't pan out.
Ruining QB's since 1999.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 327
1st String
|
|
1st String
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 327 |
Quote:
I haven't read all of the responses yet. Phil is desperate. He knows this is 'make or break' time. If the Browns finish 5-11 in 2007, RAC will be gone and PS will be lucky to survive. My personal opinion...
Wright has character concerns. Two years ago, PS would have avoided this type of player. The off season signing of Jamal Lewis is further evidence that character has been thrown out of the window.
I *REALLY* hope I am wrong.
you are right, savag knows that he needs to get 8-8 this season, but if you look at all the games last year that were close in the 4th quarter but the inabilty of the offence to keep the ball. . . a few breaks, a few first downs and we would have easily been 7-9 or 8-8.
I disagree on your assesment of our Wright, he had no prior record, had an incedent and the charges were dropped. and has not record since. He isn't a repeatedly geting into trouble. And the 1 time something happens, no one can prove that he really did anything wrong. This is not as much of a risk as many want people to believe.
Ruining QB's since 1999.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 330
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 330 |
i dont feel like savage is on the hot seat. he has gotten players to the browns who are good. just injuries and things that are out of phils control mad the record weaker that it should have been. romeo could get canned though unless we win 7 games or show lots of improvement at the end of the season.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 478
1st String
|
|
1st String
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 478 |
Quote:
LOL. NIIIIiiiiice!
The quick version of my disgruntlement -
1) Brady is the "day 1" starter. He has the normal rookie struggles. The Browns finish 6-10 and we are still clearly missing a couple pieces of the puzzle. The 2007 season is a wash. And we have no first round selection with which to acquire an impact player to improve the team in 2008.
2) Charlie Frye starts the season at QB. The Browns limp to a 2-5 start, and Brady Quinn takes the helm as the Browns finish 6-10. The 2007 season is a wash. And we have no first round selection with which to acquire an impact player to improve the team in 2008.
3) Charlie Frye starts the season at QB. The Browns fire out of the gate with the improved of offensive line play. Frye plays well enough to keep the job all season (Jon Kitna from a couple of years ago). The Browns reach 8-8/9-7 and are on the cusp of the playoffs. BQ remains waiting in the wings and the Browns have no 1st round selection in 2008.
I agree with you that BQ will struggle his rookie year. Any QB is going to struggle, (i know there are a few rare examples, but to hope BQ will be one of those is wishful thinking.) So most likely we are looking at being competitive around 2008 (if we are lucky and BQ pans out).
But you have to look at the other side of the equation as well. You do not seem to be keeping in mind what would happen if we did not Draft BQ this year and Frye Struggled. We would most likely have to draft a QB next year.. That QB would struggle through out the 2008 season and we would not be a legitimate contender till 2009. One full year later (this too is assuming that our hypothetical 2008 QB blossoms in his second year.)
In your third scenario, You have Frye excelling and BQ riding the pine with no First round pick this year. This could likely happen and in the event that it does the browns are in a great position. They could have two NFL caliber starting QBs. One of them can be trade bait and the browns can use them as trade bait or keep them as a backup in case of emergency. At this point we are competitive in 2007. 
Trading up to get Brady Quinn does not hinder us from being competitive sooner. It just means that we have a fall back plan in place in case Frye fails and we will be one year ahead of the game when it comes to grooming his replacement. Meaning that if Frye succeeds we will be competitive in 2007 and if he fails we should be competative in 2008 instead of 2009.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 974
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 974 |
the first draft was edwards, pool, frye. that draft will only be saved if edwards shuts his mouth and pool gets it on the field.
all the 2nd day folks where cut (except hoffman, I think)
I like him, he just had to go through a
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,803
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,803 |
Quote:
Quote:
It's been a mixed bag. Our first FA and draft under him sucked. the second draft / FA where much better and filled lots of holes. This draft / FA seemed to solify the offense, and give some help to the D. I agree with the poster that he had a big set to run this draft like this. Just getting Joe made our line termendously better. joe / stien / bents will be a hell of a left side. We may actually be able to run the ball and keep the D off the field. that alone will help our D.
we've had some decisions that make me scratch my head, but he does look like he's learning from his mistakes.
what are u talking about?
1 13 Wimbley, Kamerion DE - - 11 sacks
2 34 Jackson, D'Qwell ILB - - 13 starts 115 tackles
3 78 Wilson, Travis WR 6-2 213 Oklahoma - held out not given much playing time, RAC doesn't git time to holdouts, you know this.
4 110 Williams, Leon ILB 6-3 246 Miami (Fla.) -- 3 starts played, every game, solid on special teams.
4 112 Sowells, Isaac G 6-3 323 Indiana - - incative most of the season.
5 145 Harrison, Jerome RB 5-9 202 Washington State -- contributed, 1 start
5 152 Minter, DeMario CB 5-11 191 Georgia -- DNP
6 180 Vickers, Lawrence FB 6-0 246 Colorado -- played every game, 1 start, Will be the man this year with T.smith being gone.
6 181 Oshinowo, Babatunde DT 6-1 305 Stanford - practice squad, we knew in drafting him he was a developmental player.
7 222 Hamilton, Justin -- special teams, and contributed on D at the end of the season.
What a sucky draft, we got a starting OLB, ILB, FB
solid contributions from 3
and wilson should get a much better shot.
IMO that is good, not great not bad. but you can't fill every hole in 1 draft and you will always have people that don't pan out.
You misread his post. He was talking about Savage's first draft not last years.
If Wilson steps up and becomes a starter I think lastyears draft will be an A. Second round picks like Leon,Vickers and Hamilton have already proven to me they belong. Minter was a steal as far as ability because of the injury. He very well can be one of our top three corners. The jury for me is still out on Harrison. Even if he doesn't pan out then we still had a great draft.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,960
Legend
|
|
OP
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,960 |
Quote:
Phil is desperate. He knows this is 'make or break' time.
One mans act of despiration is another mans act of courage,,, leave it to you to take the low road
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 478
1st String
|
|
1st String
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 478 |
Quote:
:
One mans act of despiration is another mans act of courage,,, leave it to you to take the low road
I always though that if an act succeeded it was brave and if it failed it was reckless.
I guess we will just have to wait and see if Phil made a brave or reckless move.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 832
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 832 |
Quote:
Quote:
Phil is desperate. He knows this is 'make or break' time.
One mans act of despiration is another mans act of courage,,, leave it to you to take the low road
<sarcasm>You are right. We have had so many things go right that I guess I just cannot handle all of this success.  </sarcasm>
2006 4-12
2005 6-10
2004 4-12
2003 5-11
I will gleefully eat crow if I am wrong. But, from where I sit, the 2007 has "be patient we are developing a rookie. We may stink in 2007 - but, gosh we should be able to compete in 2008... or 2009." written all over it.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531 |
I can't stress enough Savage's discipline in this draft.
I know that if I was picking 3, I would have drafted Quinn, as much as I wanted Thomas.
Then when you listen to the things he says about "Braylon Edwards being the last link in the chain, despite being an explosive, important player." He knows you don't build around receivers, and you build with the foundation of an offensive line and a running game.
That convinced me he gets it, more than I do, and considering I'm a 20 year old college student with a lot to learn, I feel real good about that.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,217
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,217 |
Quote:
I will gleefully eat crow if I am wrong.
Well,I'm sort of big on "being prepared". So for the record,how would you like your crow served?
Baked,fried,sauteed'????
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,803
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,803 |
My opinion of him has not changed. I am not happy about this draft but I am not going to dis Savage before we even play a game. His first draft I am really thinking is disappointing as well as his first FA period. I feel last years draft is turning out to be very good with even more potential. What he did in FA last year was also quite good. His skill in getting a starting quality center in here by opening day was huge.
This year? Steinbach was huge and Robaire may be a second tier player that will still probably be a big upgrade. I do not bet because I hate to lose. Savage took a huge gamble. If it turns out it could be one of our bests drafts ever.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,217
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,217 |
I think you're looking at it all wrong,but that's JMHO NOBODY on this board IMO is "garunteeing" anything. You can't judge the "RESULTS" of a draft for a few years. You are right about that. But what you can do? Is look at the potential and where these players were rated to see "what potential you got for what you paid". In that respect,I'm thrilled! That's all I'm thrilled about untill I see the results on the field,just like you. And I too wanted to see Charlie get a real chance behind a better OL. But I'm not going to sulk about it and be a "negative Nancy" about it. Because one thing I am sure of. Quinn has a MUCH better skill set at the QB position than Charlie. So I'm not going to dwell on it. If some just "can't let go"? That's their perrogative. Because at this point,I think that's what this all boils down to. You would rather have had a DE or a NT than paid what we did for Quinn.You wanted Charlie to get another year. So you're not happy. Well,I know we couldn't "fix it all in one year" and objectively look at what we "did do" instead of "what I wanted him to do". And from the initial grades on the talent (which IS how you grade a draft initially) he did a GREAT job. Just let it go man......................
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,960
Legend
|
|
OP
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,960 |
Quote:
NOBODY on this board IMO is "garunteeing" anything. You can't judge the "RESULTS" of a draft for a few years. You are right about that
What's the difference Pit,, on another thread on this board, someone wrote that they were worried about how Quinn freezes up in big games...
The guy hasn't taken a snap in an NFL game and already stuff is creeping in...
I can't wait to hear some other things brought up,,, I'll start,,
His hands are too big
His feet are too big
His hair is too long
His hair is too short
His teeth are too white
His teeth are too yellow
He's too tall
He's too Skinny
His arm is too strong
His arm is too weak
He can't read defenses
He can't find the open receiver
He isn't spreading the ball around
He's ugly and his mother dresses him funny
His suit didn't fit right
His car is the wrong color
etc etc..... Quinn or any QB in this town can't win... and even if he wins games, someone will find something wrong with him,,
My guess is the same is true for Phil Savage or whoever sits in his chair and RAC or whoever sits in his chair!
I'm simply amazed by the number of genuis level minds on this board that know so much more than the pros,,, Amazing,,
The above statement is JMO,,, I really don't care if you like it or not!
PS: this isn't directed at you Pit! It's my weekly rant and nothing more than that..
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,850
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,850 |
I like Savage for a few reasons:
1) He got exactly what the Browns needed..
2) He gave Crennel an extra year as the Head Coach by drafting Quinn...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,217
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,217 |
I knew it wasn't directed at me Bud.
And I must say I share your sentiments. We're in the most positive "potential situation" we've been in since our return,and the "Negative Nancy's" just can't seem to even try to bask in the moment.
In most cases,I think it's pretty simple really. You see,I wanted to build the trenches So I could be upset. I wanted Charlie to get another year. So I could be upset..........
But I'm a Browns fan first! And I can see the potential for greatness knocking on the door. I want to embrace it.
I don't have any reason to think I know more than Phil Savage nor am I self absorbed enough to think that I do..........
jmho
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,803
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,803 |
Quote:
NOBODY on this board IMO is "garunteeing" anything. You can't judge the "RESULTS" of a draft for a few years. You are right about that.
I didn't realize that is how it came acrossed. I don't ever remember saying that. I do remember saying that people who say this is the best draft ever may be premature.
Quote:
But I'm not going to sulk about it and be a "negative Nancy" about it. Because one thing I am sure of. Quinn has a MUCH better skill set at the QB position than Charlie. So I'm not going to dwell on it. If some just "can't let go"? That's their perrogative. Because at this point,I think that's what this all boils down to.
Are you talking about me?  I don't think because at this point I disagree with how we handled the draft makes me a negative nancy. I have a different point of view. When did that become so bad? I am not going around saying the sky is falling and we are ruined because of the draft. I am taking a wait and see attitude because I don't know how it will pan out.
Quote:
You wanted Charlie to get another year. So you're not happy.
Yes, I did want Charlie to have another year. That is not why I'm not happy. I just am sticking to what I think are priorities were before this draft. I have never been sold on Charlie. The fact that he is probably now going to be a backup doesn't bother me.
If you have been paying attention I am not putting anyone down or arguing with people because their opinion is different. I have a minority opinion and hopefully that won't ever change.
I do feel the need to post it because it differs from the norm. I have not seen many differing opinions posted in a manner that is suitable for debate. 
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,217
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,217 |
I don't see where yours is "suitable for debate. You can't say for sure one way or the other because you want to see the results first. Don't we all have to see the results first before we know for sure????? That's why I'm saying many are just excited about "the potential talent" we landed all in one draft. And the FACT is,that's just what we did. Which one of these points is "debateable"? FACT We acquired THREE player with first round talent in one draft. Is that debateable? FACT Nobody can predict the future. The only thing I see here as being debateable,is that you're a little more apprehensive about how this will play out than some are. Some of us seeing that as a big infusion of talent and are pretty excited about it. You,not so much. But the facts of the talent we recieved are THREE first round "talent" quality players. The only difference is,you don't find that much of an accomplishment on the part of Savage. Which I don't see as being a valid point or worthy of debate. You see,we ALL have to "wait and see how it pans out". The difference is? We're willing to give credit where credit is due up to "this point in the process",while you're not.  Let's put it this way,the only true difference,or "point of debate" you have that I can see is,you're just not willing to get excited about the "great possibilities that lay ahead" while some of us are. How is that such a "debateable topic"?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,842
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,842 |
just clicking...the Question...Now what's your opinion of Savage?
Answer:..It's not any different than it was before this draft.
Savage is the best GM the Browns have had since their return and may be one of the best of all time if he continues to progress and become established in the league.
Imagine, Savage and Jerry Jones had never talked before this draft.
Savage is still the new kid on the block to some of the teams in the league. It takes time to establish relationships in the NFL and Savage is still learning.
Savages best is yet to come, IMO.
The one thing I like about Savage is you do not have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what he's doing.
If I'm Learner, I realize that Savage is running my team which allows Lerner the freedom to do what he has wanted as the owner. Disappear behind the scenes and do all he can to support those making the decisions. Savage must feel great to have an owner who gives him an open checkbook.
If I'm Lerner, I make Savage a part owner of the Browns hopefully securing his services to the Browns for decades to come.
FOOTBALL IS NOT BASEBALL
Home of the Free, Because of the Brave...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 832
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 832 |
Quote:
Quote:
I will gleefully eat crow if I am wrong.
Well,I'm sort of big on "being prepared". So for the record,how would you like your crow served?
Baked,fried,sauteed'????
I think it will go down easiest if it is deep-fried. Almost anything tastes good after a few minutes in a deep fryer.
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Now what's your opinion of Savage
|
|
![[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]](https://i.ibb.co/6WV79RV/Browns-Coach-Sig.png)