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He will have Matt Ryan along with Julio Jones! Their offense looked pretty crappy last season though, that's for sure.

We'll see how it all shakes out. I too suspect Quinn to go there.

Have they announced Quinn yet?

Hiring your OC before your HC is weird.

... we call these guys bozos.

The precedent is this: You don’t like it here? Not happy with your role or the direction of the team? Just complain long and hard enough and your wish shall be granted.

It is a dangerous precedent, to be sure, because it extends to the locker room. It is the single biggest reason not overreact to Josh Gordon’s lackadaisical effort over the last four games, which some interpreted as a plea for his release. Giving in to these malcontents only encourages more of the same.

“Anyone under contract is an asset that can be traded,” said the source.

... the Browns should ask for some type of compensation in return... [/color]

Easier said than obtained. Did any other team's co-ordinators walk this season without compensation being asked for?

Yeah, the bozos are always wrong.

The Browns are actually a stable franchise that believes in continuity, has a great qb at the helm, over a decade of winning records, a warm culture, two great first round picks this year, a plethora of talent, no locker room issues or guys who are teetering on being suspended, a honest owner who never makes knee-jerk reactions, etc, etc....

Man, no wonder we call these guys bozos.

he will gain more experience each year.

You think that vibe doesn't get passed onto the players

It really is easy...Haslam should have said, Kyle, you have two years remaining on your contract and I expect you to honor that signature you wrote on that contract.

In other words, NO, your not leaving the Browns.

Then the message is sent to all 31 franchises, there is no easy out in Cleveland and if there is a team still interested in signing Shannahan, they better take another approach...ie, compensation.

Browns set 'dangerous precedent' and look foolish in letting Kyle Shanahan walk to greener pastures

Shanny’s plan: The “Where’s Kyle Shanahan going?” saga has come to an end.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported Sunday night that the fleeting Browns offensive coordinator will accept the same role with the Atlanta Falcons. Schefter reported that Shanahan will join Atlanta in a “package deal” with Seattle Seahawks defensive coordinator Dan Quinn, who will be named Falcons coach after the Super Bowl.

To which we can now say of Shanahan, “Nicely done.” He played the Browns like Jimi Hendrix played guitar.

In Atlanta, Shanahan joins a vibrant organization and latches on to the hottest head coach candidate of the hiring season on a team with a solid, impeccably upstanding quarterback in Matt Ryan, who can excel in Shanahan’s zone-blocking/bootleg play-action scheme.

When Shanahan quit as offensive coordinator of the Browns on Jan. 8, it was commonly reported that he asked out of his contract because of a list of grievances – interference from the front office, unhappiness with the lack of offensive playmakers, dissatisfaction with the direction of the quarterback position, and disgust with team employees texting complaints about play-calling and use of players.

Behind it all was the fact that Shanahan always had his eyes fixed on greener (and warmer) pastures. At least one NFL insider – FOX Sports’ Jay Glazer – intimated that Shanahan made a few phone calls soliciting jobs while Browns coach Mike Pettine was on vacation and Shanahan under contract for two more years.

So Shanahan huffed and puffed to owner Jimmy Haslam. And Haslam huffed and puffed back. And in the end, Shanahan got exactly what he wanted – his release from the Browns.

Shame on Shanahan?

No, shame on the Browns.

Amateur hour: The Browns were under no obligation – professional, moral, or otherwise – to release Shanahan from his contract. They reacted emotionally, and, thus, hurt themselves in the short and long term.

“This reflects a team administration and culture that still is embryonic and does not have any clear vision on how to operate yet,” said an NFL source who has done business with different Browns’ regimes in the past.

The fact that Shanahan did not want to be with the Browns is no reason to release him from his contract.

“Do you know how many coaches want to be someplace else?” the source said. “There are coaches that are always unhappy, all the time. But they’re not let out like that because it creates a dangerous precedent.”

The precedent is this: You don’t like it here? Not happy with your role or the direction of the team? Just complain long and hard enough and your wish shall be granted.

It is a dangerous precedent, to be sure, because it extends to the locker room. It is the single biggest reason not overreact to Josh Gordon’s lackadaisical effort over the last four games, which some interpreted as a plea for his release. Giving in to these malcontents only encourages more of the same.

“Anyone under contract is an asset that can be traded,” said the source.

In the case of Shanahan, the Browns should have said, “Kyle, you are under contract and we expect you to honor it. Now go to work.” The Browns should have kept Shanahan on board, and sent him to the Shrine Game and Senior Bowl to write up scouting reports on quarterbacks and receivers.

And if he was in demand as it appeared – Shanahan probably had his choice of the Atlanta job, of replacing Gary Kubiak in Baltimore, or of rejoining Kubiak in Denver – the Browns should have held out for a draft pick in return for releasing him from his contract. And if it never came, they should have released Shanahan only after they found his replacement.

They blew it.

Now what?: Pettine’s search for Shanahan’s successor has not been an inspiring one.

If you’re going to voluntarily disrupt the continuity of your offensive direction, you’d better have a better option in your back pocket. That simply is not the case with Pettine. He didn’t plan on making a change at coordinator and now he is lurching for a replacement.

The candidates linked to the Browns include former Bears head coach Marc Trestman, Buffalo assistant Jim Hostler, Raiders QB coach John DeFilippo, Jets running backs coach Anthony Lynn, Raiders senior assistant Al Saunders, former Bears QB coach Matt Cavanaugh, former Notre Dame and Kansas coach Charlie Weis, and Browns tight ends coach Brian Angelichio.

Four other coaches linked to the Browns have taken jobs elsewhere. These include Scott Linehan (stayed with the Cowboys), Bill Callahan (joined the Redskins), Greg Roman (Bills), and Chan Gailey (Jets).

It’s interesting that two men the Browns coveted for their head coach position – Adam Gase and Doug Marrone (twice) – have not been linked to the coordinator position even though they are available and interviewing with other clubs.

The Hundred Years War marches on with no cease-fire in sight.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=41521

I get your hate for Manziel and the whopping 5 quarters he played this season. Where is the hate on Hoyer for sucking as bad as he did? This season was on him, not Manziel.

There's two years of college tape on the kid to show that he's not going to cut in in the NFL.

Your opinion of course not actual fact.

No, it's definitely a fact.

The tapes exists. The lack of an NFL skill set is prominently displayed.

Wait, that the tapes exist doesn't prove anything. TO say that he didn't display NFL Skills is an opinion (one I share with you) But in and of itself, it's not proof.

Evidence that he was not going to cut it in the NFL. Where? What? explain it to me. I'm all ears.
Educate me about football. Remember this isn't stats so we are slightly out of your realm. Wait don't tell me you are going to give me selective negative reports that OTHERS made and you read. Please explain to me YOUR evaluation. I'll give you mine on why I though and still think - he could PROGRESS into an good-great QB.

I saw nothing in Manziels game that gives me any hope if he is "HANDED" the starting QB job for the Browns.

If you want to call it opinion, have at it. But all the attributes I listed above are indeed factual.

I mean...c'mon, guys.

Undersized. Fact.

Throws ducks unless he can step into a throw. Fact.

Spread QB who never had a playbook. Fact.

Throws off his back foot constantly. Fact.

Has skittish footwork and poor mechanics. Fact.

Came into the NFL and fell flat on his face, precisely because of the reasons I've been going on and on about since before the draft. Fact.