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I will gleefully eat crow if I am wrong.
Well,I'm sort of big on "being prepared". So for the record,how would you like your crow served?
Baked,fried,sauteed'????
I think it will go down easiest if it is deep-fried. Almost anything tastes good after a few minutes in a deep fryer. 
Dip it in a nice beer batter before dropping it into the fryer and it might actually be edible. 
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Daman is too short.
Daman is too stubborn.
Daman is too limp-wristed.
Daman is too judgmental.
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There are ALWAYS people on both sides of the fence no matter the issue. We could hold "puppy dog and ice cream" day and there would lactose intolerant people who survived dog attacks that would be offended.
I am glad you are caught up in the moment and excited about the selections. I am horrified that the Browns probably gave the #10 overall pick in the 2008 draft to the Cowboys. I am disheartened at the thought of another 6-10 or 7-9 season as we "break in" another QB. I am tired of hitting the reset button. I am tired of hearing, "well we have a rough year this season, but NEXT year... we have a chance to be good."
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Could I ask you a question? Do you feel Charlie is a franchise QB? Irregardless,the FO didn't. Can you tell me WHEN we could have drafted a franchise QB that we "wouldn't" have had a 7-9 or 8-8 season with? So you just wanted to delay that for a while? Is that what you're saying?
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Could I ask you a question?
Do you feel Charlie is a franchise QB?
Irregardless,the FO didn't. Can you tell me WHEN we could have drafted a franchise QB that we "wouldn't" have had a 7-9 or 8-8 season with?
So you just wanted to delay that for a while? Is that what you're saying?
To answer your questions... I have no idea if Charlie is capable of being a franchise QB. Phil traded for Dilfer. Dilfer (QB1) was meant to lead the team. Phil drafted Charlie (QB2) to eventually lead the team. After, 10(?) games, the coaches gave up on Dilfer and went to Charlie.
Last year at this time Phil was saying, "Charlie is our QB of the future. We just have to get him through this season."
Dilfer was traded away for Dorsey (QB3). Supposedly, Phil liked Anderson (QB4) a great deal. Frye struggled and sat out - injured. Anderson took the reigns and played well enough to earn consideration. Dilfer was given away because he couldn't get along with Carthon and Phil was preaching about consistency in the coaching staff.
Then, halfway through the season, Carthon "resigned". The offense was lead by Davidson. Davidson was an "assistant head coach" destined to be an OC. After the season, "consistency in the coaching staff" took another hit as what? 11 positions changed over?
Now, apparently both (CF & DA) of them will be on the outside looking in as Brady Quinn (QB5) - potentially 3rd new "opening day" QB in 3 seasons.
I do not want to 'delay' the winning seasons. If Phil would have gotten it right the first time, we wouldn't STILL be 2 years away. And, we are GUESSING/HOPING that he is right about Quinn. Otherwise, we will be taking a QB in the 2010 draft and preparing for success in 2012.
Why did Phil sign Shaffer to a 7 year 36 million contract? One year later, they are talking about moving Shaffer to right guard? Did they watch tape on Shaffer before they signed him or not?
I think it was last June(?) when Droughns signed a new 4-year deal to stay with the Browns. Then, 9 months later, he was traded away from almost nothing? These moves make no sense whatsoever.
The Browns need to be at LEAST 8-8 in this 3rd year or I will be screaming from the rooftops for Savage and Crennel to be gone. Savage is running out of chances. JMHO.
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Can you tell me WHEN we could have drafted a franchise QB that we "wouldn't" have had a 7-9 or 8-8 season with? So you just wanted to delay that for a while? Is that what you're saying? Funny thing.........................you never did answer this? Can't you see "hints" of what's been going on? You really think a third round draft pick out of a small school was a good chance at a franchise QB?Or do you think he was a "stop gap measure" untill we could build an "enviroinment" FOR a franchise QB? Savage himself said we WEREN'T ready for a Brady Quinn WITHOUT Joe Thomas. I think Charlie will make a GREAT,long term back-up at QB. But you seem to think Savage is SO naive that he thought his odds were GOOD at Charlie being our QB of the futureSure,he HOPED he would. But surely we are all smart enough to realise that a third round QB's odds of being an NFL franchise QB are pretty slim. Can you stay on topic this time instead of ranting on other things?
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Can you tell me WHEN we could have drafted a franchise QB that we "wouldn't" have had a 7-9 or 8-8 season with? So you just wanted to delay that for a while? Is that what you're saying?
Funny thing.........................you never did answer this?
Wow, I will type slower...
When should he have drafted a franchise QB? Day 1, Year 1.
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You really think a third round draft pick out of a small school was a good chance at a franchise QB?
No, a 3rd round pick is less likely to develop into a franchise QB than 1st round pick. If they didn't think Charlie was the future, it was a wasted pick. Getting a solid veteran QB is easy. There are always a couple on the market
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Or do you think he was a "stop gap measure" untill we could build an "enviroinment" FOR a franchise QB? Savage himself said we WEREN'T ready for a Brady Quinn WITHOUT Joe Thomas.
That is todays spin.
What was wrong with Garcia/Holcomb/Dilfer as a stop gap? Why not use the 3rd round pick on a position of need? That 3rd rounder could be contributing nicely as a starter by now.
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I think Charlie will make a GREAT,long term back-up at QB. But you seem to think Savage is SO naive that he thought his odds were GOOD at Charlie being our QB of the future Sure,he HOPED he would. But surely we are all smart enough to realise that a third round QB's odds of being an NFL franchise QB are pretty slim.
Can you stay on topic this time instead of ranting on other things?
Stay on topic? As opposed to listing examples of PS shortcomings and talent errors to illustrate my point? I am sorry for trying to look at the big picture. Next time I will focus in on how cute Brady is. 
We are entering year 3 of the PS/RAC regime and we still talk about a winning season being a year away. How are you not get sick of watching 6-10 seasons?
I know you will consider this "off topic" - but assuming the "couldn't draft Brady without Joe" comment is accurate... Why didn't PS start drafting o-line before? It takes more than 1 year to develop a solid NFL caliber line. How many "home grown" talents has PS put on the o-line? I will answer that for you. ZERO. We are entering year three and he is just NOW addressing the foundation.
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We are entering year three and he is just NOW addressing the foundation.
and instead of being happy, your gonna whine about it. 
tradition can only carry you so far, then you have to start winning again.
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When should he have drafted a franchise QB? Day 1, Year 1.
Day 1 of what YEAR?
No, a 3rd round pick is less likely to develop into a franchise QB than 1st round pick. If they didn't think Charlie was the future, it was a wasted pick
Phil rolled the dice on him..being a third round selection the risk/reward is smaller ..
What was wrong with Garcia/Holcomb/Dilfer as a stop gap
I swear you need to be lumped in with all the others who deliberately close their eyes to the things that transpired.. all three wanted OUT..
Dang is that HARD to digest?
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We are entering year three and he is just NOW addressing the foundation.
and instead of being happy, your gonna whine about it.
I am sorry. I will try to perk up.
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Wohoo! A FIFTH consecutive season of sub .500 football. Yippie! Gosh, I should buy season tickets now!
8-8 in 2008! 8-8 in 2008 8-8 in 2008!
YAAAAaaahhh Browns!
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In 2008, we will likely have a new head coach and a whole new sytem.
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When should he have drafted a franchise QB? Day 1, Year 1.
Day 1 of what YEAR?
Wow...
See right after I wrote... Day 1... I wrote YEAR 1.
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I don't see where yours is "suitable for debate.
What I meant is just because I disagree you don't see me calling Savage and idiot, Quinn stinks, and Wright is a rapist.
Comments like that are not productive and will not get thought out replies (and they shouldn't). One more thing. 
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WOW back at you..U didn't list any names except QB's who wanted to go ELSEWHERE..
So are you laughing at yourself?
Cuz I AM..
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WOW back at you..U didn't list any names except QB's who wanted to go ELSEWHERE..
So are you laughing at yourself?
Cuz I AM..
You are laughing at yourself? No need to take it so hard.
Ok, snide remarks aside... You asked what year when I had clearly already stated that.
I know that Garcia/Holcomb/Dilfer all wanted out. The question is WHY did they want out? Garcia, Holcomb, and Dilfer all had "issues" with higher ups. Garcia was a square peg. Holcomb took less money to go Buffalo because of a lack of trust/confidence in the FO. Dilfer has won a SB and played for perennial contender (SEA) and HE knew that this is not the way things should get done.
Why did Joey Harrington turn down the opportunity to come to Cleveland? Whether anyone wants to admit it or not - PS and RAC have made a lot of mistakes in these past two years.
I *HOPE* Phil is right. I *HOPE* this will be remembered as the draft that turned it all around for the Browns. I do NOT hate BQ.
I have simply reached my boiling point for hitting the reset button. I am tired of pinning my 'hopes' on next year.
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Wow, I will type slower...
When should he have drafted a franchise QB? Day 1, Year 1.
So you feel bringing your "QB of the future" onto your team wioth no OL,no real running game and no "environment to breed success" is the right way to do it?
So your position is it's better to take a MUCH bigger gamble on a quality QB of FAILING by putting it all on his shoulders from "day 1" rather than build a situation "right to bring him into first".
Sorry.I've seen that before. This is much better IMO.
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No, a 3rd round pick is less likely to develop into a franchise QB than 1st round pick. If they didn't think Charlie was the future, it was a wasted pick. Getting a solid veteran QB is easy. There are always a couple on the market
So now we wouldn't have options huh? Now,we would have a washed up veteran and in need of a "solid #2". The way Savage did it,not only do we have our future starter,but a long term,reasonably priced back-up for close to a decade. I can see where that might upset you.
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That is todays spin.
What was wrong with Garcia/Holcomb/Dilfer as a stop gap? Why not use the 3rd round pick on a position of need? That 3rd rounder could be contributing nicely as a starter by now.
He HAS been starting. Haven't you been watching? Simply put,none of the guys you mentioned would have served as a "long term solution" to the #2 QB position. We wouldn't be set at the position like we are now. I like this way just fine. Of course maybe "revolving #2's" would be YOUR prefrance,but not mine.
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Stay on topic? As opposed to listing examples of PS shortcomings and talent errors to illustrate my point? I am sorry for trying to look at the big picture. Next time I will focus in on how cute Brady is.
Well if that's what "attracts you most to him" go ahead!
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We are entering year 3 of the PS/RAC regime and we still talk about a winning season being a year away. How are you not get sick of watching 6-10 seasons?
Because I was watching in 02 and saw what a "quick fix" did to us in 03. I know that by being impatient and being like this generations "fix it now" mentality,it will take time to do it RIGHT I know you can build a team to "win now" or one to "win for years to come" and I prefer the latter of those two. You don't?
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I know you will consider this "off topic" - but assuming the "couldn't draft Brady without Joe" comment is accurate... Why didn't PS start drafting o-line before?
Let's see. You have to REPLACE ALMOST THE ENTIRE TEAM and you're quiveling on which parts he fixed first? BRILLIANT!
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Wohoo! A FIFTH consecutive season of sub .500 football. Yippie! Gosh, I should buy season tickets now!
Five years?
Oh I see,Phil's responsible for things that happenned BEFORE he got here!
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I know that Garcia/Holcomb/Dilfer all wanted out. The question is WHY did they want out?
Why ask why, if you know the answer?
Dilfer has won a SB and played for perennial contender (SEA) and HE knew that this is not the way things should get done.
Totally wrong..he didn't want to be the tutor any longer for Frye..and he wanted away from Mo Carthon..
Why did Joey Harrington turn down the opportunity to come to Cleveland? Whether anyone wants to admit it or not - PS and RAC have made a lot of mistakes in these past two years
I really don't care why he didn't want to come here even if it's a percieved biased against Cleveland..other more important FA's have wanted to come here, so that doesn't say anything to me.
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You jumped all over the place. Stay on subject! I would have preferred that the QB sit the bench for 1 or 2 seasons learning. TC was rushed into action and flopped accordingly. CF was rushed into action and has struggled accordingly. If BQ is rushed into action, he could well suffer the same fate. As for your explanation that CF will be the backup for the next decade. I hope you are correct. I hope that is what happens. But, with BQ now on board, I suspect CF will be cut loose in '08 or '09 in favor of DA or some other less experienced QB. I hope you are right. BTW, BQ is dreamy. As for the 5th straight losing season - I NEVER said that was Phil's fault. You are putting words in my mouth. But, the reality is... the Browns are looking at their 5th straight losing season. I am happy Joe Thomas is on board. I wish the Browns would have drafted one or two more o-linemen this season.
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I am horrified that the Browns probably gave the #10 overall pick in the 2008 draft to the Cowboys.
There it is,,,, That's what got you down.. That's what's making your day suck,,,
You don't know it's gonna be the 10th pick,, you don't know if the glass is half full or half empty..
But, since you want to play the "IF" game, will you care if it's the tenth pick if Quinn ends the year with over 3000 yards passing, 300 yards rushing, 25 TD's and 3 INT's but we still lose enough games to end up picking 10th and the losing is because our D sucked and gave up 40 points a game?
Would ya,, Huh huh,, Would you care then? Wouldn't that prove that Brady Quinn was worth a 10th pick in the draft?
Two things,, First off, I don't think Quinn is going to get enough reps to get those numbers and secondly, no way to I believe that out D will allow 40 points a game,,, Granthum would kill himself...
But my point is, you seem worried about something that hasn't happened and MAY not... and even if it does, So what... They took a chance,, they put it all out there for the world to see...
Merth,, you are entitled to your opinion,, but Geez man, there isn't a sports news outlet that hasn't given the Browns an A for this draft..
I ask, not in a mean spirited way, what do you know that they don't.. What do you know that most of the other fans on this site don't....
By the way, the lactose intolerant, dog biten thing was pretty funny,, I liked it! 
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I was more upset about givng up the 2nd rounder this year, than I was about the first rounder next year. Because esentially we just used our first rounder next year, this year. Because I think we would have been forced to take a QB next year if we didn't this year.
I was upset over losing the 2nd rounder because I thought that lost our chance for Eric Wright, who I wanted in the 2nd round all along. But then Phil proved me wrong again and came up to get Wright anyway. Needless to say, I'm very happy with how things went down.
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I ask, not in a mean spirited way, what do you know that they don't.. What do you know that most of the other fans on this site don't....
I have seen the Browns history since 1999. Since the 2002 season, no QB has been given much more than 12 games in a single season. We have entered each season with a different QB. Each time we hope "this" QB is the magic bullet.
Joe Thomas is a step in the right direction. But, in the long-term, we need more first day picks on the front line.
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#GMSTRONG
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Isn't there a saying... those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. And boy do we keep repeating it...
I am sure BQ will work out totally different than... Tim Couch, Spergon Wynn, Doug Pederson, Kelly Holcomb, Jeff Garcia, Luke McCown, Trent Dilfer, Charlie Frye, and Derek Anderson.
I am sorry that train of thought seems so incomprehensible to you.
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Merth, you don't think we are/have addressed the OL?
If bentley comes back we have the 3rd pick in the first round, the 1st and 12th pick of the second round and all are under 27. I think thats above average in the NFL.
If you're just saying that people aren't patient with a QB, well, if the QB wins, watch us get patient.
Finally, if you're just saying that you don't the Quinn will be good, then there's no argument cause we won't know until he is or isn't.
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My opinion of Savage remains the same. He is still an expert on the draft and contrary to the so-called experts on this board, knows how to assess the needs of this team and do his best to fill those needs.
He remains the sole reason for this organization to have hope for the future.
And the next head coach is ......
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... Tim Couch, Spergon Wynn, Doug Pederson, Kelly Holcomb, Jeff Garcia, Luke McCown, Trent Dilfer, Charlie Frye, and Derek Anderson.
It seems YOU are the one in need of a history lesson..............
Name ONE of those QB's who had ANYWHERE NEAR the OL that Brady Quinn will be behind?
You see,they addressed the OL FIRST this time.
There's a "history lesson" for you.
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I am sure BQ will work out totally different than... Tim Couch, Spergon Wynn, Doug Pederson, Kelly Holcomb, Jeff Garcia, Luke McCown, Trent Dilfer, Charlie Frye, and Derek Anderson.
Hmmm thats PRO BOWL talent there isn't it? Obviously in the mind of today's fan and his lazy analysis, every player and every situation has to automatically equal something else. Like passing on AP = passing on Tomlinson years ago. Or starting a QB year 1 = ruined QB Tim Couch. Or trading up for a QB in round 1 = trading for Kyle Boller. Most casual fans are much too lazy to make an analysis themselves so it's much easier to just think of a similar situation and decide the given situation is exactly like it. 
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Sweet, I have been called a whiner and lazy. Someday maybe I can be cool and call a stranger names because his opinion is different.
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Well you're one of the coolest lazest whiners in here.. I'm being sarcastic..
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MERTH MERTH MERTH,,, there you go, blaming all the troubles on one position... honestly,, do you think all of those QB's were horrible? I don't. I still think that Couch could have been better, and I'm confident that Charlie can be better.. Dilfer won a superbowl with a good Oline, Running game and a D that was out for blood..
This is not a one man game.. One thing that all those QB's you list had in common is that none of them had even an adequate Oline or Running game..
Your putting all that on the shoulders of the QB's and forgetting about what the problem really was. ( I know, that's debatable)
As you say, those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.. so look at what Savage has done..
Gets Stienbach, McKinny in FA, Drafts Thomas, resigns Fraley.. One or maybe two weaks spots remain,, RT and RG and we aren't sure they are weak yet... Depends on Tucker, Sowells, Bentley and what ends up happening with Shaffer. But at least for once, we have some options that we NEVER had before. We should not forget Friedman and Druzzi are still around as well,, not starters, but depth for sure..
So, history tells us that without an oline, we don't have good QB's or RB's.. so what does Phil do,, he goes out, gets the Oline guys, then gets what is supposed to be a Franchise QB../
So tell me again that thing about history?
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I am not putting it on the shoulders of the QB. I do not blame any of the QBs. I blame the lackluster oline. I am thrilled by the Thomas pick. I am thrilled by the acquisation of Steinbach.
I was optimistic when the team signed Andruzzi, Coleman, Shaffer, and Bentley. None of those signings seemed to make a difference. A lot folks are claiming Coleman and Druzzi were always bums and they have always thought so. Either those folks were quiet or have since changed their tune.
We do not know how the line is going to gel. We do not know how steep the learning curve will be for Joe Thomas. We don't know what we have until September. I will not belabor the issue any further. I will sit quietly with a fork and knife waiting to eat crow.
Go Browns.
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Glad your optimistic about the new hires. You should be. They are of a greater caliber than guys like 'Druzzi and Coleman, stopgap players who were as good as they were going to get.
Stein is a pro-bowl caliber guard and Thomas is an instant starter with great upside. Yes, he's a college player and we don't know what he'll be, but trusting in all the scouts that call him a great talent is the wise thing Hell, we can sign Pace, but until we see him play for us we don't know what we'll get. Right?
Put the crow away. You're not telling us the line will suck while daring people or reality to prove you different. Voicing your aprehension isn't the same as.........say.........someone like me calling Necktie a poor left tackle who needs to be moved to the right side
My crow has gotten cold...........Having fears isn't worthy of staring at a plate-full of the stuff..........
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Sweet, I have been called a whiner and lazy.
i don't know about the lazy part because you've worked your ass off whining about all of this.
if you don't like the picks (or savage) just say so, and stop making up silly reasons to bash this years draft picks. so we didn't address these two picks before. we did address other pieces to the puzzle that needed addressed also. we pick who's available at the time, not what history says we shoulda done with a totally different FO at the time.
you can carry on now, because no matter what anyone says your gonna bitchn moan until the last tear drop falls.
tradition can only carry you so far, then you have to start winning again.
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don't know about the lazy part because you've worked your ass off whining about all of this
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BTW Daman..what say U now???
It's funny, but I typed out a response and I'll be darned if I know what happened to it.. I must have not posted it,,, anyway,,
If you are talking about us getting Brady, I'm happy about it.. It was NEVER Brady that I had a problem with Attack,, it was people thinking we should sign Brady and NOT address the line.. as if that would do us any good at all,,
We needed to get Thomas if possible and we managed that.. wanna here something funny... After we drafted Thomas,, I turned to my friend and said,, Too bad Quinn won't last until our second round pick.,.,. we both laughed our butts off at the mere thought of that happening...LOL
Guess what? At 22, the Browns select Brady Quinn... Shock of Shocks..
I'm glad, but I still think we would have been able to get by and, with proper line play, excel with Charlie,,, funny thing is, we may still find out..
Brady still has to beat Charlie out for the starter job (not that I see that as a problem, but he still has to win the job) so we may get to see charlie behind an improved Oline.....
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I would like to see Charlie start for at least 8 games this year, but I have a feeling that Brady will beat out Charlie for the starting job and start week 1 this year.
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Well, of course that may happen and if it does, so be it.. On a personal note, I'd like to give Charlie a chance.. The kid has done NOTHING wrong. And I feel as if he deserves a chance to start behind an improved  line.... But if that's not what happens, I can live with it..
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I like Charlie, but I don't think he's any better than a backup in the NFL. Yes, he was playing behind a bad offensive line, but I don't see any real improvements that he made from his first start to week 17 vs Houston last year.
Even though he was behind a bad offensive line, he should have shown some improvement, and I don't believe he's done that. With that said, Thomas should have been our #1 priority, like he was, but we needed a QB as well, and we would have been stuck drafting one next year in the first round if we didn't get Quinn this year.
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but I don't see any real improvements that he made from his first start to week 17 vs Houston last year.
This is kinda moot and almost a waste to discuss anymore, but just let me ask you something.. you say you didn't see any improvement in Charlie from the 1st week to the 17th week,,, OK,,, did you see any improvement in the line or receivers or the RB either? I didn't..... the problem with what you are saying is that it puts the entire blame at the QB's feet... I don't know if that's what you meant to do, but it's what you did..
Given the weakness in the line play, I can't see how anyone can take that narrow a view... Sorry, but it's JMO and I"m sticking to it
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I'm not intending to put the blame completely on Charlie. But, I just feel like even behind a bad line, there would be some kind of improvement between start 1 and start 18. Things like not throwing the ball away, turning around with your back towards the line to run away from defenders, always trying to make a big play rather than taking what you can get... I think you can show improvement on those things even without a good offensive line. JMO.
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