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Before I ask this question, I want to make it clear that I want Quinn to start for at least half the year next year. But, for you haters that are already labeling him as a bust, and bring the "look how many first round QB's were busts" argument to the table.. let me ask you something...
How many of those busts were 4 year starters? If you want to go by stats, Brady Quinn has a high chance for success. 4 year starters tend to do MUCH better in the NFL than guys who don't start 4 years. Almost every bust you guys name was not a 4 year starter. The only one I can think of off the top of my head that started 4 years and was a bust was Cade Mcnown.
Some of you guys bring the argument that a high precentage of first round QBs are busts.. but look at the real stats here... how many of them were 4 years starters?
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I personally have yet to see any haters, except for maybe mensa, dont know.
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I don't like Quinn at all, but if proves he's capable at the NFL level, then I'll come around.
I just hate the whole, ND, cover-boy, chosen-one, Tom Brady-esqe, Hollywood stigma he has attached to him.
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You're right. He has achieved icon status before a single snap in the NFL. But, I don't blame him for that at all. He's been a very classy guy in every interview I've seen. Just like yesterday, his main thing when he kept not getting picked was, "I just want to play football". I definitely like that he's not embracing the celebrity status.
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I was gonna say that the only guy on here that seems to hate Quinn is Mensa,,, and frankly his arguments are so bad that I dont; care what he thinks...
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Honestly...I think that stigma was attached in the first place by those who hate him.
I'm not particularly fond of him...I didn't like the thought of him at #3. But given what I've seen of him on the field, the odds of the percentage play are high. And when the percentages are high, you make your bet.
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I hate him....he's a bum.
We blew it.
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I watched a lot of ND games the past two years. Personally, I'm worried about his accuracy and I think his arm strength is over-stated. That said, I sure hope he's the second coming.
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OMG,, a while ago on another thread, someone ( I think it was Soup) wrote that Quinn cost us the 22nd pick this year, the 36th pick this year and our 1st rounder next year,,,,
I thought that was the dumbest comment ever,,,,, but your comment now supercedes it by a mile,,
Geez man,, he didn't attach that stigma to himself,, it was the media,, so you hate him because of something the Media conjured up,,, do you have any idea how crazy that sounds,, Did your parents drop you on your head as a child? 
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Your reading my comment wrong. I'm saying that he has this stigma attached to him. I'm not saying that he is responsible for it.
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Geez man,, he didn't attach that stigma to himself,, it was the media,, so you hate him because of something the Media conjured up,,, do you have any idea how crazy that sounds,, Did your parents drop you on your head as a child?
I hate to agree with this "person" but Tyler is right....it's part of a stigma he has, and he may not have created it for himself but it's there nonetheless.
He's a choke artist, and we screwed up by salavaging our future for the chance that he can turn this thing around.
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I hate him....he's a bum.
We blew it.
So are you going to support him with Cleveland or just shun him?
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Daman, I agree with 99% of your posts on here. I think you are one of the most knowledgable fans on the board  Anyway, enough ass kissing lol... But, I think you are wrong on what Derden was saying. I think he was saying he didn't like what the media has done to him. I don't think he was saying it was Quinn's fault.
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It wasnt Quinns fault that he played the position of QB at Notre Dame. The fact that he did pretty well just perpetuated the overhyping of him.
The way Notre Dame is shoved down everybody's throat is not very endearing. I think that folks will let Quinn dictate how he is treated here.
But he should figure out that those days are over.
If he thinks Charlie Wies was tough he might be in for a rough ride here.
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I don't like Quinn at all, but if proves he's capable at the NFL level, then I'll come around.
I just hate the whole, ND, cover-boy, chosen-one, Tom Brady-esqe, Hollywood stigma he has attached to him.
Is that Quinn's fault? why take it out on Quinn? Besides he's done a good job living
up to the hype in my opinion.
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Groza. I'm going to tell you the same thing I just told Daman. I don't think that's what he meant. I just thinks he meant he don't like having "the Golden Boy" here with all that pressure from the media. I don't think he was taking it out on Quinn.
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I should add that I dont give a flying fart if he is a cover boy.
Winning or losing is how he will be judged here.
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Menza, soup, shep, etc...
Notice how none of them can respond to the question...
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Menza, soup, shep, etc...
Notice how none of them can respond to the question...
or maybe they didn't see it...
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When they see Quinn haters, they know it's directed towards them  I'd say they've seen it.
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I am not a Quinn fan because I think he was over-valued due to where he played and who he played under. I think he has some major accuracy issues, struggles against better competition (USC, Mich, OSU) and his stats were inflated due to playing against the armed forces teams. I think in time he can develop into a solid starter and I hope I am wrong, but my biggest gripe with it is that I feel like with a rookie QB we are saying next year, I want to win this year.
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My response to that would be... Alot of people think Quinn's best game in college was the 05' loss to USC. Also, people don't realize, Notre Damn wasn't a very talented team. When he was playing big time competition, his team was outmanned IMO. Just look at the LSU game. He had the "Cleveland Browns problem". He had about .5 seconds to throw the ball.
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This says it all. Groomed as the next big thing under the tutelage of Charlie Weis, Quinn's been under the microscope for the last two seasons. He was such a hot prospect, considered the number one overall pick for most of last year, everyone's worked hard to knock him down a peg. "He can't win the big game" is the big issue, but he had absolutely no time whatsoever to operate behind an awful offensive line. Despite having to rush every throw and getting hit way too often, he still threw 32 touchdown passes and seven interceptions. Look at the UCLA game this year. Hit all game long, the offense went into max protection and he rallied the Irish to the win. He has the size, the arm, the experience, and the ability to play under pressure. In other words, he's an NFL quarterback.
 
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So, he was playing superior competition with an inferior team? Whoever would say something like that knows what he's talking about
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I am amazed that it only took one day for someone to label people who are less than full-bore cheerleaders for BQ as haters. News Flash.....more than one person on here has concerns about Brady. It doesn't mean they hate him. Hell, at this point all anyone can say for certain is Brady has more potential than Charlie had at this point in his career. Anything else is pure speculation.
As far as your question that no one has answered.......Have you thought that maybe it isn't a question worth answering?
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Don't have to be a BQ "cheerleader" but there's been a few on here that have hated BQ and hated picking him. It is a question worth answering. Don't say "History says he'll be a bust" just because alot of 1st round QB's have been (like some Quinn haters are saying). It's a very valid question. How many of those busts were 4 year starters? Very few. So, there goes the "History says" arguement, because "history says" he won't be a bust.
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Don't have to be a BQ "cheerleader" but there's been a few on here that have hated BQ and hated picking him. Damn few. So far only mensa, ammo and shep have expressed such an extreme emotion as you claim. Mensa claims to know Charlie so that might explain that. Ammo is ....well.....mad that Charlie wouldn't sign an autograph one time (there's a reason to dump a QB  ) and shep is shep. The rest of us would like to see Brady take a snap in the NFL before we send him to the HOF. You and Diam not withstanding......
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I'm not labeling this guy as a HOFer yet. I like the pick, yeah. But, I just want the guys who come out with the "History says he'll be a bust" argument to tell me how many of those busts were 4 year starters. They came with a "history says they'll be a bust" argument, and I proved them wrong because history says he wont. So far no one has stepped to the plate, and I dont suspect anyone will...
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Why would anyone step to the plate using the asinine argument that you suggest. Nothing like staging an argument to set others up for failure. 
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Your reading my comment wrong. I'm saying that he has this stigma attached to him.
I'm not saying that he is responsible for it.
You know that and yet, you still hate him,,, wierd man,, very wierd
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I hate to agree with this "person" but Tyler is right....it's part of a stigma he has, and he may not have created it for himself but it's there nonetheless.
Oh Please Shep,, not you too,,, My god, how stupid is it to hate a guy because the media (not himself) have made him into something,,, anything,,, How dumb is it to hate a person for something COMPLETELY beyond his control,,,
I'm not sure,, but I'm betting there isn't much on this earth that's dumber!
My mother dressed me funny as a child,, do you hate me also? My father drove a Coal Truck in the 40's, do you hate me now,,,, Once I was sitting at a stop light and got rear ended,,, maybe that will make you hate me also,,
DUMB isn't it?
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Daman.. shep is one of the Quinn haters I was referring to. He still hasn't stepped up to the plate and answered my question, either... He has no agrument against Quinn... he just hates him. 
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It happens every year, every player has the potential to be boom or bust. If they bust, everyone will go to the draft review and pick out the verbiage that fits the failure.
If they boom, well everyone should have known the positives.
The fact is the Browns seriously considered him at the #3 pick, but selected thomas becuase of the need to fix the line. That has been the mantra of this board for months.
It has also been the mantra of this board, that although Frye may not be the QB of the future, but an accurate read on him was not possible.
The one thing that Frye and Quinn should have going for them is that the OL has been addressed in more than adequate fashion.
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People don't like the "Pretty Boy" quarterback's...
Theyre really going to hate Jimmy Clausen.
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does his family make pickles? If so, I already hate him.
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His great grandfather did. I guess you won't be going out and buying a Brady Quinn jersey anytime soon. 
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