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free community college
free childcare
paid sick days for everyone


You really think all this stuff is free? The money is going to come from somewhere. I might as well just have my direct deposit rerouted to Obama's account since I'll need to give 100% of my paycheck to the government to pay for all the freeloaders.

Wanna bet those rascal Fiscally irresponsible Republicans tell him...

NO!
NO!
and NO! Ospenda, your credit card is Maxed out!

You really think all this stuff is free? The money is going to come from somewhere. I might as well just have my direct deposit rerouted to Obama's account since I'll need to give 100% of my paycheck to the government to pay for all the freeloaders.

well since we are on to extremes....

i was in the military. we got paid sick days, or "quarters".

am i a freeloader too?

i get the GI Bill just because served at least 3 years. paid for by the government...or tax payer money.

thats freeloading as well.

and i wouldn't say free childcare is smart, but as someone with two kids, childcare rates are STUPID ridiculous right now. almost HALF my paycheck goes to that.

and most of them don't even do anything. if the kid has a fever, i have to pick my kids up, while not getting a reduced rate for that day.

I have 5 kids. Daycare sucks. My wife decided it would be cheaper for her to stay home than to work and give her entire paycheck to the daycare. We've been a 1 income family ever since, and she is just now preparing to go back to work.

As for your time in the military, I think you've earned a GI Bill and those sick days. At least you were serving your country for those things. What have the other people done that may get those for free?

somebody's off their meds again.

i didn't earn anything over anybody else.

which is why, i support obama over this. do i have faith he will make it happen? no. but the issues themselves i agree with.

see i only have 2. you have 5. i won't even BEGIN to try and understand childcare cost with regards to your family. it was hurting me with my two kids. they charge a lot, but most of them do very little other than be glorified baby sitters.

IMO i didn't "earn" my GI Bill. yes i deployed, but i volunteered. nobody held a gun to my head and said "do this".

anybody who knows or has been in the military knows that if you aren't deployed...you really are wasting time all day. there's time i send my soldiers home at 10 am and told them to keep their phones on for a week straight because there was ZERO to do.

there are single, or even both parents, doing everything they can just to make ends meat in the civilian world. nobody can just up and get a 40k + job a year. there are people who don't make the cut. not because they don't have the skill, but because there aren't enough positions for that job or anything else.

obama isn't trying to give everybody a 45K a year paycheck. these moves are simply a quality of life change. but far too often people want to see the extreme, and then they start thinking in extremes.

i mean really? was squires comments about giving his whole check direct deposit to obama needed? yet theres so many people who think like that. there's no grey area. theres no exceptions. theres people who have good jobs and people who are lazy and entitled.

so compared to the daily grind that civilians have to go through, i didn't earn a damn thing. so yes, THOSE people should be able to get atleast an associated from a community college for free. THEY should have childcare cost reduced, they SHOULD be able to have sick days paid. because getting sick HAPPENS. and some people really shouldn't be going to work with some of the crap they have.

one thing i learned in life, in war, just as a man: when you take care of the man beside you, he not only returns the favor, he helps the other guy standing by him, and THATS how the world changes for the better.

All I know is when taxes get so high I can't afford heat, I will go to Free College to stay warm.

If we don't raise the level of education in our nation, we will not have the educated work force to attract higher paying jobs on a global scale.

Better and higher education is an investment in the future of the tax base. In Tennessee, our GOP Gov. has done exactly the same thing here Obama is proposing on the national level. Of course here in Tenn., since he's a GOP Gov. it's a great idea. lol Our Gov. is smart enough to know that if he wishes to draw high paying jobs to our state, he must provide a higher education to the people within the state to do so.

It's an investment to increase better jobs, which in turn increases your tax base for long term stability economically.

It would be nice if people looked at the logic of such an investment for the betterment of our economy rather than point the fingers back and forth in the us verses them debate.

like seriously...i'm really getting tired of everybody making fun of basket weaving. that crap is hard.

Actually, the first time I heard this CC idea, I said to myself, 'they should do it for trade schools before anything.'

I could get behind that. I wouldn't want it to be free, for the simple reason if you give someone something for free, that's usually the value they put on it.

But yeah, I could see a "hey, we're going to contribute to your trade schooling, and in return, upon your graduating, we're going to get you a job that you will need to work at for "x" years (2? 4?), but you will be working at a slightly lower wage for those years and your employer will be repaying us "x" amount."

After the completion of those "x" years, you will be free to stay at the current company and receive pay commensurate with your experience, or you are free to move to a different company if it benefits you."

i mean really? was squires comments about giving his whole check direct deposit to obama needed? yet theres so many people who think like that. there's no grey area. theres no exceptions. theres people who have good jobs and people who are lazy and entitled.

Obama thinks government is the answer to everything. I made my comment because I believe if Obama could, he would have the government take 100% of everyone's money and spend it how as he sees fit.

People make poor decisions if they keep having kids but can't afford the costs. If people make poor decisions, I have to help pay for their poor decisions. People don't have to take accountability for their actions. Make mistake, here's a handout.

I get unfortunate things happen. Parent loses a job, severe injury keeps one out of work, etc. I have no problem helping people in these kind of situations. I am against helping people that are just going to keep expecting handouts off the backs of other tax payers.

huh?

when did god decide "ya know what? these old rules sucks!! time to make some new ones!!"

when is the next update due? i wanna talk to him before it happens.

Well, if there were to be another 1st coming of the Messiah, then you'd be in luck .... but since there won't be, I'm afraid that you are out of luck there.

The Old Testament had one purpose, that that was to amplify sin among mankind, and to demonstrate the need for God's mercy. Man thought that he could be worthy of heaven all on his own, through his own works. God put an end to that pretty quick with the Law. Man found that he still needed the mercy of God. In the Old Testament, man was required to offer the most perfect of animal sacrifices to God in order for man to be forgiven of his sins. It was a continuing process, and man could never say "I made a great sacrifice, so now I am now redeemed forever."

Jesus came to the earth to be the perfect sacrifice for all mankind, to forever redeem those who would believe in Him. Jesus lived a perfect life, according to the every Law of the Old Testament, and thus he was the only one who could take on the sins of man onto Himself, thus justifying and redeeming mankind. Once Jesus was crucified for the sins of man, the old law fell away. Man no longer needed to make sacrifices to God. Man did not need to follow the ceremonial laws. Man was now redeemed by the Grace of God, as opposed to any of their own works.

It is so simple that I truly believe that some people think it is too simple. It almost has to be harder for God to forgive us of our sins .... but really, all it takes is acceptance of Christ as our Savior, repentance of our sins, and to ask God for forgiveness. The Bible tells us that if we do these through Christ, who redeems us, then God is faithful to forgive us.

What could need to be made easier than that? What "update" could possibly make things easier?

God made weed. Man made alcohol. Who do you trust?

Yea, once the Republicans hid his checkbook, things started to improve!

The best you should give him credit for when it comes to the economy is he found a 6 year cure for a 2 year flu.

I now see that I should've been high before reading this.

You're scaring me. That sounded like some fanatic, let's all drink the kool aid nonsense.

2 Year Flu? LMAO

The GOP under Bush wrecked the WORLD'S ECONOMY right before Obama took office... You smoking something that effects your short term memory? You living in a fact free bubble? OMG you have no clue.

And to whoever posted the "sour grapes" comment, I'm not sure what you are talking about and apparently you don't know my politics. Sour grapes for what? The Republicans taking the house? LOL I could care less. And just so you know that has less to do with popularity and much more to do with gerrymandering.

That's one thing I'll give this new breed of Republicans, they sure can spin some BS. They were not given the house due to being liked, they got it for people wanting to punish Dems and because of gerrymandering period. Only the political trolls try to claim a great victory there.

The democrats deserved to lose the house for letting the republicans push them around. They should have stuff legislation down their throats and did NOTHING.

For those who don't know, I'm independent. I personally wish there were no party lines just common sense and sifted turds.

Hhh

Old Cold, I was the "sour grapes" poster. However, it was not intended for you. Just an observation based on some of the commentary and negativity about certain political parties within this thread.

Not one to back down from posts. I'm with you. Don't really care what others think, never have, never will. Just enjoy the variety of viewpoints represented here. Each to their own. We can debate til the cows come home but only time will tell.

You're scaring me. That sounded like some fanatic, let's all drink the kool aid nonsense.

when i read that, i imagine you hovering off the ground with some crazy ass light shows.

that was a bit too much.

Can we get some national debt numbers under Reagan or Bush?

Clearly they must have reduced it, given the way you speak?

"What about them?" isn't a coherent argument for the GOP being fiscally responsible.

But you can't speak to that, because they're not fiscally responsible.

its called "girl scout cookie"