The more I watch Agholor the more I like him. Finished the game vs. Arizona and I'm watching USC vs Utah. I almost want to use 1b) on him...
1a) DE Malcom Brown, Texas 1b) WR Nelson Agholor, USC 2). TE Clive Walford, Miami 3). WR Rashad Greene, FSU 4a) C Andy Gallik, Boston College 4b) NT Terry Williams, ECU 5). OT Mitch Morse, Missouri 6a) RB Josh Robinson, Miss St 6b) OLB Jemauria Rasco, LSU 7). Best guy left on my list (plus Hayes Pullard and Eric Rowe) regardless of position.
The more I watch Agholor the more I like him. Finished the game vs. Arizona and I'm watching USC vs Utah. I almost want to use 1b) on him...
1a) DE Malcom Brown, Texas 1b) WR Nelson Agholor, USC 2). TE Clive Walford, Miami 3). WR Rashad Greene, FSU 4a) C Andy Gallik, Boston College 4b) NT Terry Williams, ECU 5). OT Mitch Morse, Missouri 6a) RB Josh Robinson, Miss St 6b) OLB Jemauria Rasco, LSU 7). Best guy left on my list (plus Hayes Pullard and Eric Rowe) regardless of position.
Like this draft a lot.
Brown is the most stout vs the run d-lineman in the draft.
Agholor has good speed, great hands
Walford didn't get a lot of action in Miami but I think that was more scheme/qb than him. Looked great at the senior bowl practices
Greene and Gallick good solid depth picks. Including insurance in case Mack opts out
You know I love Terry Williams. He could be the steal of the draft if his head is on right
Morse - Haven't seen much on him and can't find anything online to watch so no comment
Robinson - looked really impressive vs LSU. Would be a steal this late.
Rasco I don't see much from him but only watched the Wisconsin game
7 - if we don't get Robinson I would take Marcus Murphy RB Missouri here (actually instead of Rasco in the 6th)- He could be a great 3rd down/change of pace back at best Darren Sproles at worst Dino Hall which fixes out punt and kick return games
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I would love it if you could fit the giant fullback from Alabama in there somehow.
Why not the giant FB from Oklahoma State?
see 2:00:30.
To get Fowler, we would have to skip on Williams in the 4th and hope he was there in the sixth and not pick up Robinson. Or we could try to find someone who wanted to move up to 19... Maybe someone who wants Strong or Coates or Funchess and panics after KC takes the last one of white, cooper, parker at 18 and snag a 4th that way.
I was just kidding about Castleman... I just thought his reception and run was an awesome Incredible Hulk moment. He would just clog running lanes if he actually tried to be a fullback in the NFL. Just sharing for the entertainment value.
Are talking Malcolm Brown for DE or NT in our 3-4 Base D?
I think DE. We already have enough quick guys on the edge that get run through too much. I think he's athletic enough to play that spot on running downs. We use sub packages for obvious passing situations anyways. JMO.
I thought I've seen some comments around here about Brown as another option if Shelton, Phillips are gone as a replacement to the NT draft possibilities.
Clearly, it could have been a blanket comment to all DL options, but just wanted to make sure.
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Yeah I think its pointless to draft a developmental QB if you don't have a QB that can keep hhim on the bench. Sounds a little counterintuitive unless you've watched the browns the last 15 years.
Yeah I think its pointless to draft a developmental QB if you don't have a QB that can keep hhim on the bench. Sounds a little counterintuitive unless you've watched the browns the last 15 years.
So you're saying that Brian Hoyer is not better than Garrett Grayson? But he is 10-7 as a starter!?!?!
j/c This is my best mock for the Browns using First Pick which limits the players available to you at specific slots. Also, just sticking to our slots no trades.
ck 12: Danny Shelton, DT, Washington Round 1 Pick 19: Kevin White, WR, West Virginia Round 2 Pick 11: Clive Walford, TE, Miami (Fla.) Round 3 Pick 13: Preston Smith, DE, Mississippi State Round 4 Pick 12: Tony Lippett, WR, Michigan State Round 4 Pick 16: Andy Gallik, C, Boston College Round 5 Pick 11: Jalston Fowler, FB, Alabama Round 6 Pick 13: Mike Hull, ILB, Penn State Round 6 Pick 26: Rakeem Nunez-Roches, DT, Southern Mississippi Round 7 Pick 12: Titus Davis, WR, Central Michigan
Just some random thoughts: These are all just my opinion.
I would love to draft either Amari Cooper or DaVante Parker at #12 I think that both Cooper and Parker, along with White will all be gone before #12 I have doubts that Farmer would draft a Wr at #12 even if one of those 3 are available. I think Shelton is gone before #12 Even if Shelton is available, I like Malcom Brown better Shelton is the best pass rushing DT in the draft Brown is the best run stuffer and not far behind at putting pressure on the qb My prediction is that the Browns draft La'el Collins OT LSU at #12
At #19:
If we don't get a top 3 Wr, I wouldn't take one here. I don't see the value. There will be little difference in talent at Wr between this pick and at #43. I think that there will be good value at OT and CB here. Would Farmer draft another 1st round Cb? I have Farmer taking an OT at #12. No way he doubles up on oline round 1. My prediction is that he takes Eddie Goldman DT FSU. Everything I read about him has him as a massive run stuffer and so-so putting pressure on the Qb. From what I have seen, I disagree. I have seen him get pushed back rather easily by a single o-lineman. On the other hand, I was pleasantly surprised by his ability to penetrate the pocket on passing plays.
At #43
I think this is where Farmer targets a Wr. His choice: Nelson Agholar USC. If we don't get one of the top Wr at #12 then this is the pick I like. Excellent hands, fast, good route runner, great run after the catch. Not the tallest Wr but holy cow have you seen how long his arms arm? Literally down to his knees.
At some point in the draft, we need to draft an OC. Perhaps Mack decides to stay but we need to be prepared for him to opt out and become a FA. I like Andy Gallick OC BC. I would draft him with our 3rd round pick. Will Farmer be that forward thinking?
I would like to double dip at Wr. There are a lot of talented Wr that can be had later in the draft. Sign one FA Wr (Shorts, Smith) draft a Wr in one of the 1st 2 rounds and one later, combine with Hawkins and Gabriel and I think we have Wr fixed.
I would like to grab a TE. Unfortunately the only one I like is Clive Walford TE Miami. Walter.com has us taking him in round #4. I would love that but think it is a pipe dream. I think that we need to take him in round 2 if we want him. With the need at Wr, DL and OL I don't see how he fits into our draft. Perhaps we go Wr, DL in the 1st round then Walford at 43. But I get the feeling that Farmer really wants an o-lineman and a d-lineman in the 1st round. It will then come down to Wr vs TE in round 2. Perhaps things change post free agency.
Qb - I don't like Winston or Mariota enough to trade up for either. However, should either fall to 12 I would probably draft them. I like Bryce Petty Baylor but think that he will go higher than I would take him. If we decide that we like him and overdraft him in the 2nd I would be okay with it. I pray that we don't draft Hundley, which almost guarantees that we will. I would take flyer on Conner Halliday Qb WSU in the 6th round.
OLB - I would love to add a dynamic pass rushing OLB. A lot of the talking heads are raving about this year's class. Personally, I find them to be quite overrated. Yes there are a lot of physical specimens but I don't like the way they play. I don't see any that take on a decent o-lineman and beat them consistently. They get their sack numbers based on getting to the Qb untouched because of scheme or by taking advantage of matchups vs inferior players. None are extremely stout vs the run. Caveat - I haven't watched Gregory from Nebraska because he is projected to go top 4. Most overrated OLB prospect: Alvin "Bud" Dupree Kentucky. I cannot fathom how anyone considers him a 1st round talent.
Sleepers that I like:
Terry Williams DT ECU - Massive defensive tackle but surprisingly agile for his size. No rankings that I have seen even have him as one of the top 20 defensive tackles. I don't get it. Personally, I would take him with our 2nd 4th round pick.
DeAndre Smelter Wr GT - When I watch him play I see Hines Ward (except not dirty). Big, physical Wr with good hands. He will drop because he doesn't have the receiving stats because of the GT run focused offense. I snap him up in the 5th round. Possibly even the 4th depending who else is available in round 4.
Marcus Murphy Rb Missouri - Small, not exceptionally fast, but a dynamic playmaker on ST. Right away he comes in and fixes both our punt and kick return game. Also fill that 3rd down change of pace, receiving back role. I see Darren Sproles potential but at minimum Dino Hall (I loved watching him return kicks back in the day). Well worth our 7th round pick.
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I simply cannot see the value in taking an OL in the 1st 2 rounds of the draft, when the Browns already have a top 5 OL as it is.
Do we have "great" depth? Of course not. Most teams don't. Heck, most teams don't have our starters, let alone depth. We need so much help elsewhere, that I just do not see us going with an OL high in the draft, so we can put an upper level OL on the bench. It's not liek other positions, where we can substitute them into the game. If you are loaded at WR, you can always work a young WR in. If you have a great TE, you can always play 2 TE if you draft a 2nd great TE. If you have a great OL, and draft another OL, then someone is going to the bench who will, hopefully, never contribute.
I just don't see the value there.
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I see no way Cooper makes it to 12. Either the Jets or Raiders HAVE to take him.
I could see a scenario where Cooper is within reach
#4 Raiders select Kevin White (the real #1 WR in this draft) #6 Jets select Marcus Mariota
There are a lot of great defensive players in this draft that can cause Mariota to fall to the Jets and/or Cooper to drop down to us at #12, or should I say drop far enough down inside the top ten for the Browns to move up and get him.
I would agree with those sentiments. We definitely need to draft a backup/future OC at some point. But looking 3rd/4th round.
I just get the feeling that Farmer has his heart set on drafting an o-lineman. Rumors were that he was trying to trade up for Taylor Lewan last year. I hear rumors this year that he has a man crush on La'el Collins.
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WatlerFootball has us taking OL at 12 (w/ Freeman still there), Eddie Goldman at 19, and Sammie Coates at 43 (w/ Maxx still there)..
I'm fine with Goldman at 19.. But I would be happy with Devonte Freeman at 12, and super duper excited if Williams falls to our 2nd rounder.. I think TEs are going to skyrocket.. because there are like.. 2 good ones..
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What if Cutler is cut in the next couple days like is being reported could happen? That could put Chicago in the mindset to move into the top 4 to get Mariota/Winston...To me that would be the best thing that happened for the Browns, which would open the door for Shelton to be available at #12
I agree. The only reason could be that if it is the BPA, then maybe. Also the bust rate would be smaller. The only one I would like would be the kid that was a G then switched to C and was a better C. Maybe in the 2nd. rd. Were fine on the OL and I don't think you draft depth in the first 2 or 3 rds.
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What if Cutler is cut in the next couple days like is being reported could happen? That could put Chicago in the mindset to move into the top 4 to get Mariota/Winston...To me that would be the best thing that happened for the Browns, which would open the door for Shelton to be available at #12
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Here's an updated mock using CBS's post-combine rankings. I can't believe we could actually get all these players where we would here, but it's just for fun {CBS rank} position change
[1] 12) Malcom Brown, DL Texas {17} [starter] [1] 19) Owamagbe Odighizuwa, OLB {25} [starter] [2] 43) Nelson Agholor, WR USC {54} [starter] (alt. Rashad Greene) [3] 79) Josue Matias, OG Florida St. {120} [starter] [4] 112ish) Stephone Anthony, ILB Clemson {128} [4] 116ish) Nick O'Leary, TE Florida St.i {126} [starter] [5] 151ish) Jalston Fowler, FB Alabama {155} [starter] [6] 189ish) Antwan Goodley, WR Baylor {214} [6] 202ish) Max Garcia, C Florida {226} [7] 227ish) Terry Williams, NT ECU {665}
The picks I really struggled with here are Matias, O'Leary, and Fowler. If the others are available where I put them they would be no-brainers.
For the Matias pick, he fell a lot in their rankings based on his combine performance, but watching Florida State there is no question he plays with much more athleticism than what he showed there. If he is available in the third round I think he is just too good of a player to pass up regardless of need. I think we can upgrade two positions with one pick taking him there and putting Bitonio at RT. We would have upgraded our OL depth with Garcia (likely 2016 starter), Schwartz, Bowie, and Painter as our backups instead of the crap parade we trotted out last year. If Matias was gone, I would likely select Morse here and just put him at RT.
For the O'Leary pick, I put him there because he has proven production for a large body of work, and he has the best hands of any TE in the class. Of course, I am concerned about his size and blocking, but if you could get Dallas Clark in the 4th round, would you do it? That's who he reminds me of. I really like the limited body of work I saw from Utah's Westlee Tonga, but I feel like putting him in as our primary TE based on not much data would be irresponsible. He would definitely be a priority free agent for me if available.
With Fowler, I really wanted to put Gunter here, his combine was just so bad. I can't find a corner who is good that put up numbers like he did across the board.
DE: D. Bryant, B. Winn NT: P. Taylor, T. Williams, I.Kitchen DE: M. Brown, J. Hughes LOLB: P. Kruger, A. Bryant SILB: K. Dansby, S. Anthony, T. Carder WILB: C. Robertson, C. Kirksey ROLB: O. Odighizuwa, B. Mingo, S. Solomon CB: J. Haden, P. Desir CB: [B. Skrine], J. Gilbert Nickel: K. Williams, R. Nelson FS: T. Gipson, J. Poyer SS: D. Whitner, J. Bademosi
I think that this team needs players who can come in and make a difference this year, especially with 3 picks in the top 50. The exception would be if we would wind up with one of the top 2 QB in the draft, and then I would be fine with him sitting for the 1st year. However, I think that it is highly unlikely that we will wind up with one of the top 2 QB.
With the areas we need improvement in, from DE to OLB to WR, to TE, to QB ..... we have plenty of spots to improve with out top 3 picks, and to make a real impact.
Now if there were no players available at any of those spots at 12, 19, or what, 43,(?) then I could see going for great depth at a position of strength, but the odds of that being the case seem unlikely, given the seeming depth of great DL players.
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For what it's worth. Though this may be a list of players we aren't going to draft. There is a note at the bottom that we didn't draft any players on last year's list. But I looked back and we didn't draft anyone from the year before that either.
NFL Combine 2015: List of Players the Browns Reportedly Met With By Chris Pokorny  @DawgsByNature on Feb 25, 2015, 7:00a 23
Brian Spurlock-USA TODAY Sports Here is a list of players the Cleveland Browns reportedly met with at the NFL Combine, per media reports.
Every year, the media tries to release information about who teams have met with at the NFL Combine. Outlined below is a list of players who reportedly met with the Cleveland Browns at the NFL Combine, either formally or informally.
Over the next couple of months, more names will filter in due to Pro Day visits and private workouts. Before the draft starts, we will post a comprehensive update of who the Browns have met with prior to the draft.
It should be worth noting that the Browns have likely talked to a lot more players than what you see below -- this is just what the media was able to pry away from people. Teams are allowed to meet with 60 players at the NFL Combine, with a maximum of 15 minutes per player. Remember that this list includes both formal and informal meetings. All names are sourced from media members on Twitter, which you can look through in our Combine StoryStream.
WR Nelson Agholor (USC) WR Mario Alford (West Virgina) WR Stefon Diggs (Maryland) WR DeVante Parker (Louisville)
TE Blake Bell (Oklahoma) TE Maxx Williams (Minnesota)
OL La'el Collins (LSU) OL Andy Donnal (Iowa) OG Jamil Douglas (Arizona State)
Defensive Players
DE Trey Flowers (Arkansas) DE/LB Eli Harold (Virginia) DE Danielle Hunter (LSU) DE/OLB Owa Odighizuwa (UCLA)
OLB/S Shaq Thompson (Washington)
S Adrian Amos (Penn State) DB Doran Grant (Ohio State)
Special Teams Players
K Joshua Lambo (Texas A&M)
Last year, the Browns didn't end up drafting or signing anybody from our list, although it's fun to look through a few of the notable names they reached out to.
I have a feeling that they are trading up this year and I would be totally fine with that if they get the pick right. I don't really have a feeling for who it might be. Maybe Shelton? I also believe they will stay clear of the QBs, which would be smart.
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The Eagles trade their 1st, 2nd and 3rd this year, 1st, 2nd and 4th next year and Nick Foles to TB for the #1 overall pick and draft Mariota.
Damn that's almost as hardcore, IMO, as the RGIII ordeal. I know it's well documented that the Eagle's organization is indeed wanting Mariota and in a very bad way.
Perhaps your prediction isn't really that extreme as I initially took it as.
WR Nelson Agholor (USC) good! WR Mario Alford (West Virgina) okay WR Stefon Diggs (Maryland) good! WR DeVante Parker (Louisville) good!
TE Blake Bell (Oklahoma) fine, as long as we are looking at pick 150+ TE Maxx Williams (Minnesota) good!
OL La'el Collins (LSU) good! OL Andy Donnal (Iowa) OG Jamil Douglas (Arizona State) fine, as long as we are looking at pick 150+
Defensive Players
DE Trey Flowers (Arkansas) good! DE/LB Eli Harold (Virginia) fine DE Danielle Hunter (LSU) fine. rather pick up rasco very late DE/OLB Owa Odighizuwa (UCLA) good!
OLB/S Shaq Thompson (Washington) not sure how he fits
S Adrian Amos (Penn State) good! DB Doran Grant (Ohio State) fine
The Griffin trade set the mark but I do not see that type of trade in this market.
When you look at the Eagles it is not just a matter of what you offer in trade. It is also a matter of "if" the number one team would want to drop all the way back to 20.
True...people tend to not think about the trade back part. Even the New Orleans trade up to get Ricky Williams....man that was the deal we blew I think...lol
They got the entire draft and moved back not too far.
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