DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Jimmy Haslam: Browns have to get a QB in 2015

I agree with all of you that Sam has not been able to stay healthy, but some of his injuries have come from poor line play. Also what is a bigger gamble Sam health holding up or the immature, selfish, spoiled, self-centered, lazy, drunk and tiny JF that was hurt in just his third drive of his first start and was out for the rest of the year? I just don't know how we could go into a season with JF again. He has nothing to play for. He doesn't need the money, or the fame, lacks the passion, and his teammates know that. He might be a good backup someday but we need to look somewhere else.

^^^ aight Hoyer. enough is enough.

Jack: Unless you can support this contention, proceed with caution. Just saying...

I like hoyers passion and work ethic, but something is missing with him. If you look back to the preseason when the qb job was up for grabs he could not make a completion. He played great at the begging of the season but when things got rocky and the JF name kept popping up his play decreased. Which makes no sense, he doesn't seem to get rattled by pressure in the pocket but when it comes to competition for qb play he has hard time. Maybe its his throwing motion I don't know. But he is not going to resign, and one last thing I am not a fan of a particular player I could care less what name is on the back of the QB. As long as he can get us a W and put a stop to all of the poor play. I had a favorite QB that I would fight for and it was berrnie Kosar, but that ship has sailed.

Ok "allegedly" drunk but Twitter pics, police report from fight in elevator, team report of him after no show

If you look back to the preseason when the qb job was up for grabs he could not make a completion.

i wonder if some of that was him coming off of the injury he had.

The only part I disagree with is IF JM showed in practice that he was not ready, did not know the playbook, and yet he was still our best option ... it was hoping the JM would pull some magic (PFM if you will ) ... It was clear [if I remember correctly] that Hoyer locked on Gordon, his mechanics went in the dump and I swear we got away from his strength of quick 3 step drops and throw...Hoyer seemed to do well with a quick short fast throws. I might be incorrect (i listened to most games on the radio) in that but I seem to remember that as part of the games we won early.

I get Hoyer was struggling..and badly. There is enough blame to go around for sure...yet everything I read shows not 1 positive indication that JM was ready for this start. Shoot - I would have been happier if Hoyer had bombed the Cincinnati game and once we were 100% out of the playoffs - then bring in JM as a "next year prep"... To me, that one game misplay by the FO really changed the direction of this organization and only time will tell if it pans out to be good or bad...IMHO

injury or not he spent the entire offseason in brea, rehabbing so he should have been on his game. to me it seemed more mental than physical, which makes no sense because he did make some amazing comebacks and drives late in the forth quarter to win games??

to me it seemed more mental than physical,

that's exactly what i was getting at. after an injury like that you are very gun shy when your not in a controlled movement. you can run and jump and cut all you want when you know what you are going to do beforehand. when you are reacting during a live setting it's quite different and you move alot more carefully because you're not sure of what's going to happen.
not saying this was the prob, just trying to figure out the reason why.

But it doesn't seem like he is nervous in the pocket due to his injury. He only gets nervous when the word competition comes up as JF. Look I understand he was shaken by his injury last year and it took away a part of his game of scrambling that he worked for him the previous year. It just seemed to me the pressure of JF was his downfall. He was not shying away from throws when he knew he was about to get crushed, because he was worried about injury. Also, I understand that Sam Bradford has an injury past, for that reason and only that reason he may come available. At this point in time we have to look at options that could make us a better. We are not going to find a good QB available without an ** whether its injury, age, or you name it unless we draft one and our history has proven that is just as big of a crap shoot. I would love to see the line in vegas on Bradford or Manzel to stay healthy in as season longer, my money is on Sam.

But it doesn't seem like he is nervous in the pocket due to his injury. He only gets nervous when the word competition comes up as JF.

there's no need to worry when you have a pocket. only when being pressured.
as for the JF competition part. i just don't see it that way.

Bradford is signed through next season. He is not a free agent, at this point, until the start of the 2016 season.

Your correct, but I just don't know if the rams are willing to pay his 16.6mill. cap figure for this year. Also found it interesting that we brought in the Rams QB coach for interview for OC position. I am probably overthinking it, but I think we were doing some fishing on Bradford. Just my opinion. I strongly believe that JF or hoyer will not be our week one starter in 2015. The draft has few options in Winston with great skills and little between the ears, and Marcus who is smart but lacks true skills to be pocket passer.

Bradford has the more upside than all of the currently available options. I would take him over Hoyer, Sanchez, Locker, etc.

He is not a good option. He gets injured if you sneeze on him.

For Bradford? That is a joke, right?

No way Bradford is worth a first rounder.

I will try and run the probability of injury rate of Bradford later compared to that of the rest of the QBS you mentioned and I bet Sam has the lowest percentage vs the rest. Hoyer played how many games before he was out for the year, JF didn't make it a full game and done, Locker has been had several injuries for his short body of work. Sanchez has been the best of all so far. He is also one I think we need to put on roster.

Armonty Bryant barely bumped him and Bradford blew his knee out again. Would be a waste of a contract to bring him in. BTW cant wait to get Armonty Bryant back healthy (he was our best pass rusher until he got rolled up on).

I still believe in Johnny but I would go hard for Ryan Mallett. Give him a big incentive laden contract, where he can make starter money if he produces.

Listen, if we happen to land bradford, I'll root for him to stay healthy. He's talented. No question. He just can't stay healthy.

And for the money he would command, NO WAY>

Aha. OK then.

Your guess is as good as mine. I will say this though, I never thought he would be the turd he is. If I was in charge, he would be gone already.

Iv'e been talking up Mallet too. The incentive laden contract is a good idea. What have we got to lose? We have few other options.

I don't know Clem.

I think if you have a million dollars, even if you won it in the lottery, it's till a million dollars.

Wasting or risking a million dollars is a foolish thing to do. No matter where that million dollars came from.

That million could and should be invested and spent well.

I love how the Browns F.O always think they are so smarter than the rest of the NFL and end up out smarting themselves when it comes to the QB position.

Heres my take on Sam Bradford

Pros very good TD to INT ratio
hard worker will put in the extra time..a pros pro.
good size.

cons. plays in a dome. how will he fare in inclimate weather in the AFC North?
dink and dunk passer.
fragile. if a snowflake lands on him he will be out for 6 weeks.

I love how people talk about money, and the amount some players would want to come here. Its like teams base price of tickets, concessions and parking based on what they spend against the cap. For the last few years we have done great with the cap, and it has not equated to wins. Its nice to have it and you need it to try and retain your core players but listen when we don't spend it all it only makes the owners pockets larger. Dam do I miss Dick Jacobs who knew that it takes money to put a winer on the field. I thought we got lucky when art sold the team because he was a penny pincher, then we came back and the Kid took over ownership and wanted to use the team to fund his soccer team. Ownership has fans right where they want them, in that the team needs to pinch pennies. Look New England they spend to the cap every year, like most good teams do.

your right if a snowflake lands on him he will be out 6 weeks, but if Jonny sets next to a waterboy he will be drunk or if he gets tackled by a NFL player he might be out the season. btw I don't remember one game with snow this year.

Two out the box thoughts.

I'm kinda thinking that Eli Manning and the Giants may soon be parting ways. They have had a bad run of late and Eli could use a change of scenery. He would be my first choice, followed by Sanchez and Mallet.

I also would not be surprised to see Chip Kelly make a move for Mariotta. We have two firsts and I believe he has some offensive weapons the Eagles cannot afford.

What is the Plan B for the Giants?

Eli actually played a lot better this year with a shorter passing scheme..

I just can't see a team getting rid of a two time SB QB somewhat randomly.. But that team overall needs a lot..

I could see Philly selling the farm for Mariota, as in draft picks, but not current talent.

So knowing he is that fragile and probably will get hurt you actually have to be looking at 2 very capable qb's. We have enough trouble just finding 1 !!!.

But he does cost $16.6 mil against the cap in 2015.

If you're St. Louis, with his injury history behind this particulr line, do they take that chance on him for 16 million that he won't get injured?

Yeah. Johnny's lookin' more like Ryan Leaf every day.

Is Vegas making odds on him gettin' traded?? Cut??

He could use the deflated balls Tom prefers.

I've been wondering about Manning, too. Question is, what would it take to get him here?? A gun to his head??