DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Josh Gordon is a Punk

Seems like most of the time he's feeling pretty good.

This guy will never be the player he was for that one year. He is living on the money he made, and when it runs out, he will be just another lost soul.

At first I thought we should keep his rights, so he can't play elsewhere, but thinking about it now, he will never play anywhere. The dude is done.

Man... y'all be ROUGH!

Remember how this idiot complained that people on the team didn't accept him with open arms when he came back? I don't care what they do with him. Keep him at no expense, cut him now. It doesn't matter, he will never help us win games.

--Do any of you proposing we keep him really think he will ever stay clean?

My view on Gordon is, he is done in Cleveland. He should never play for the Browns again. No. I do not think he will stay clean.

I do think however, that to hold his contract, and to trade it to whomever might want to take a chance on him, and to get something worthwhile from him being a member of the Cleveland Browns, is something we ought to do, even if it is only a 6th round pick.

He's dog-ate-my-homework-guy. Feckless is the word that comes to mind. He lacks feck.

I'm not exactly sure a team even needing a WR would give up a 6th round for him as of now. They would either a. suspect we are to cut him and then pick him up cheap. b. too much a risk on his last limb of being kicked out forever (factoring he can stay clean for the year away) and with a proven track record of issues. If we could get anything for him, I would recommend the Browns pull the trigger on that!

I'm wondering about this DUI.
After the courts get thru with him,won't the NFL be after their piece of his behind?So his 1 year suspension may have additional games tacked on in 2016.
In that case no team is gonna sign him.

I'm going to assume that you have never worked in an environment where management allowed one person to act entitled while said employee rubbed that fact into everyone elses faces.

well, you got me there

..Letting this ride is sending a clear message to the rest of the team that TALENT supersedes everything else no matter what the FO, coaches or even the LEAGUE states to be the case.
Message received when the pay check stops coming in and the debtors come knocking

You also must have been totally oblivious to his (gordon) gripes about how his teammates mistreated him after his return from suspension.
and you must be totally oblivious as to how to run a business- cut your assets when it doesn't cost a blessed thing to hang on to him

GROW A SACK AND ACT LIKE A PROFESSIONAL FOR GODS SAKE. This kid has had WAAAAAAAAY to many chances to turn it around.
and if he turns it around and signs with another team and becomes a Cris Carter- then what

After Chris Carter called for the Browns to cut his anus last year I thought that maybe he was just being a little too harsh, but now I wish that they had actually listened to him then, as our record would probably have turned out better. Unfortunately there is no way to really know now.
Carter also told Irvin's wife that she should leave him, he's full of good advice.

some of yall seriously need to stop with the blue font.

It's unreadable, I agree.

In terms of all this talk - I actually believe that once Gordon is suspended, that we are not (by league rules) allowed to cut him until the suspension is over.

We can cut him the day he is reinstated, I believe -- but not before.

Link
By Larry Hartstein | CBSSports.com

TNT basketball analyst Charles Barkley said he considers Josh Gordon's situation "very personal."

Speaking on ESPN's His and Hers, Barkley noted he had a brother who died in his early 40s after dealing with substance abuse issues.

"So I take all drug stuff seriously, and Josh Gordon is gonna die if he keeps going on this road he's going [on]," Barkley said. "I love my brother, I miss my brother, but when you get invovled with alcohol and drugs and you can't control it -- you look at Philip Seymour Hoffman -- it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when."

Sunday brought word that Gordon, the Browns supremely talented yet troubled wideout, tested positive for alcohol and is facing a one-year ban from the NFL. Gordon got suspended for the first 10 games of the 2014 season due to a repeat violation of the league's substance abuse policy.

Gordon was convicted of DUI last July. As he's in Stage 3 of the league's substance abuse program, Gordon was tested for drugs up to 10 times a month in addition to being tested for alcohol, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

"If last year didn't shake him up, he's not going to learn," Barkley said. "I have sympathy for people who have drug and alcohol problems, like I say, but man, it's going to end badly."

[quote]But for 2 years he's stayed away from his partying ways and he still ends up in the wrong place at the wrong time. /quote]

Does make one shake their head in wonder doesn't it?

Only in Cleveland.

Literally.

I can read the blue fine, it is the white, yellow, and orange I hate. The white is the worst, can't see it on my pc. If I really want to read I have to highlight it. I use the new_light because the default is just too ugly to read.

I don't even try because it kills me eyes. (and one surgery on my eyes was enough for me)

The only one I really have a problem with is "khaki"

If I see something posted in "khaki" I pretty much know it's unreadable..

No, I don't expect him to ever be clean. Never.

But it costs us nothing to have him sit on a beach while the rest of his teammates are playing.

I don't have a crystal ball, but we know he's got talent. Someone will take a chance. We may as well get something in trade.

If not, it doesn't hurt to cut him later. There is no financial incentive to cut him today.., none.

There could be value later.

So, why rush it.

I've always felt it was an attention seeking thing.

J/C

Do you have to pass a drug test to sell used cars?

We need to keep Josh under contract. Cutting him gives him a pass. He owes us a season.

Out of curiosity, what makes you think he is unlucky? I hope it isn't in the examples you list right after the "most unluckiest" statement.

Whether he was a tad below the limit, a tad over, or way over, he was driving while intoxicated. That is a choice. A stupid, selfish choice that could have endangered others (Donte Stallworth - jaywalking is wrong but not punuishable by death). Where does the unluck come into this? That he got caught? That he had one mouthful too many of the sauce?

And he got busted for being "just over the limit" for pot. He had pot in the system and he was told be off of it completely. Again, he made the choice to toke.

He is not unlucky. He is a never ending sequence of poor decisions.

Charles Barkley tells ESPN: 'Josh Gordon is going to die if he keeps going on this road'


January 26, 2015 at 7:12 PM


CLEVELAND, Ohio -- TNT analyst Charles Barkley had some sobering words Monday for Josh Gordon, who reportedly violated the substance abuse policy again and is facing an indefinite ban from the NFL.

Barkley likened Gordon's situation to that of Barkley's brother, Darryl, who died at the age of 42 after substance abuse issues.

"This is very personal to me,'' Barkley said on ESPN's His and Hers show. "My brother is dead. He died in his early 40s, so I take all drug stuff seriously. And Josh Gordon is going to die if he keeps going on this road he's going.

"And like I said, I love my brother, I miss my brother, but when you get involved with alcohol and drugs and you can't control it, you look at (actor) Philip Seymour Hoffman (who died of an overdose last year). It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.''

When co-host Michael Smith remarked that Gordon's latest positive test, at least his sixth in the NFL, is a cry for help, Barkley said, "No, he's been crying for help. This is like the third time, he was ....suspended for a year before and it got reduced. He got suspended in college. It started in college and it's just not a matter of 'if,' it's a matter of 'when.' Something's bad's going to happen. ...''

Barkley noted that Gordon's indefinite ban by the NFL last season, which was later reduced to 10 games, wasn't enough to make him quit using.

"If last year didn't shake him up, he's not going to learn,'' said Barkley "And like I say, I have sympathy for people that have drug and alcohol problems. But man, it's going to end badly...these movies always end the same way. If you've got a family member who's dealing with alcohol and drug problems, most of the time the movie ends the same -- badly.''

Gordon, who was suspended for 10 games by the NFL this season for testing positive for marijuana, reportedly was caught using alcohol this time, which is in violation of his program. ESPN's Adam Schefter broke the story and Mike Florio of profootballtalk.com first reported that the violation was for alcohol.

Gordon, who was convicted of drunk driving in July in Raleigh, N.C., is currently in Stage 3 of the NFL's substance abuse program, and has no margin for error. In addition to being tested for drugs up to 10 times per month, he must also abstain from alcohol.

The red flags went up when Gordon overslept the day before the season finale and was suspended for the game in Baltimore. The ban cost him his accrued season, meaning he's currently not eligible for unrestricted free agency until after the 2016 season.

If he's banned indefinitely, he'll be eligible to apply for reinstatement after a year, but his return will be up to the discretion of the NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell. The tough part is that Gordon will have to stay clean and sober for that entire year in order for Goodell to let him back in.

Gordon is under contract for $1,068,406 million in 2015, but the contract will be tolled, meaning it gets pushed out to the following year if Gordon sits out the season. In that case, he wouldn't be eligible for unrestricted free agency until after the 2017 season.

Gordon's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, declined to comment, saying in an email that he was strictly prohibited by NFLPA rules.

The Browns issued the following statement from a team spokesman despite the fact they could not confirm the report: "Clearly we're very disappointed to hear the latest report regarding Josh. At this point, due to the confidential nature of the NFL's substance-abuse policy, we have not been made aware by the league of a failed test. We are in the process of gathering more information and will provide further comment at the appropriate time."

News of the failed test broke when Browns owner Jimmy Haslam was offsite with three top members of the organization for strategic planning and team-building. Included in the session are team president Alec Scheiner, coach Mike Pettine and general manager Ray Farmer. Undoubtedly, the news jumped to the top of the agenda.

But the Browns won't do anything until the suspension becomes official, and even then, they might not cut ties with Gordon. If he's banished, they won't have to pay him next year and can take some time to see if he can remain clean. If he can, they can either try to give him another chance or get something for him in a trade. link

my apologies for the blue font
its the whites and yellows and that terrible orange that I can't see- too bright. And then there are other reds that are just too dark. I thought the blue was a happy medium.

I formatted to the "new dark" everythting is pretty clear

From what I heard Adam Schefter saying on the radio because he only played five games with us last year he's under contract with us until the end of the 2016 season. Sit Gordon on the shelf for the next two years and see where his life is at then. They have non football/reserved lists that he can go on. It's not like he's being paid millions of dollars a year, he's still under his rookie contract.

With that being said, it blows my mind how this kid doesn't seem to care that he's been given an opportunity that THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of kids and men DREAM of and he's pissing it all away. What a selfish, immature kid.

I hope he's able to get some professional help, and he could probably use some spiritual help as well.

I don't know if you have to pass a drug test to sell c
ars but you may have to pass one to drive them. He better be careful

man....i can't wait til we have a winning record, so people can stop being at each others throats during the off season. jeez.

He needed to play 6 games last season in order to be a FA in 2016 so yes, he's ours if we want him until the start of the 2017 season. (and if he's suspended which it appears he will be, then I think we own his rights until the end of the 2018 season. Gotta check that)

If he's on suspension we pay him nothing. In that time, he's under contract and can't sign with another team. If memory serves me correctly, he can't even go to the CFL.

Basically, he's out of football until the suspension is up and then we own his rights.

That's why I've taken the stance that we don't have to do anything.

People ask what do we lose by keeping him? I'll ask the opposite...what do we gain by keeping him? The answer is the same.....nothing.

This guy has blown the trust of the organization, the team and the fans. Does anyone see him suiting up for us again?

Well, some may say, maybe we can trade him. Who in their right minds is going to trade for him given his track record, his suspension and the likelihood that we'll eventually cut him anyways? My god, Randy Moss was acquired for only a fourth rounder on a down year and playing unmotivated- but still playing and contributing. We're talking about a guy who won;t even play a down until 2016...if he can even stay clean.

So then what....we keep him for spite? How does THAT look to potential free agents?

Let's just be done with the drama. We've given him multiple chances to straighten out and he just can't. Just end it all and let's move on.

I disagree.

If you cut him, there is NO CHANCE to get anything out of him. NONE.

If you just set him on a shelf (which is about what you are doing) there is a chance (slim) that at some point, he either figures it out or some knucklehead GM will trade you something for him. Even if it's only a conditional 6th rounder.

At this point, he's not even worth that.

Now, if you want a moral victory (something that Pettine said doesn't matter to him) then sure, go ahead and cut him.

You will NOT be teaching him a lesson if you cut him.

Its not about any messages to Gordon, its about the message you send the other players by not following through on your prior statements re: accountability and "culture".

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one Daman. I respect your views a ton but we're opposite ends of the spectrum on this one.

It's not worth having this negative cloud hanging over our heads for the next two years on the off chance with get some day 3 pick that will be a long shot to even make the team.

All this being said, I maintain the slightest bit of hope that perhaps this failed test for booze is some kind of administrative eff-up or the like as Gordon has the talent and I'd love for him to be a great comeback story. I just don't see it happening.

Once an official suspension is handed down, I hope the Browns cut him the same day.

What does it do to cut him? What does it prove? Nothing.

You aren't giving the other players on this team enough credit. I think they totally understand that it's a business and from that standpoint, it's dumb to cut him loose when he's not costing you a dime, takes up no space in the locker room and may someday still have a little value.

JMO

Disagreeing is cool.. I got no problem with that.

They may cut him when that happens. To me, it doesn't really matter. No skin off my nose really. He's worthless sitting in his living room anyway.

If he's not in the locker room or even in the building, that doesn't create much of a dark cloud does it?

I would like to think all of us want him to come back and stay off the dope and booze. Stay clean and produce...

I just keep thinking of Chris Carter and all the trouble he had in Philly. Then he goes to Minn and becomes a damn fine receiver, teammate and team leader.

I don't know if Gordon has that in him, but I sure didn't think that Carter did at the time. So its possible.

Cutting him is giving him the easier, softer way. He missed out on being an unrestricted free agent after next year because of his suspension. Cutting him gives that back to him and frees him up to go chase the mega-contract. Keeping him sends the message that you will be held accountable, and you won't play us to get out of a contract. Folks say the rumor is that he wants to go to Dallas.... so, why would you do anything that lets him get what he wants - especially when there is no cost to us, at all? We're not on his leash to be yanked, he is on OURS.

Was that because of the snowdrifts?...lol