DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum How close were the Browns to Super Bowl XLIX? According to Pro Football Focus, 5 players

#1 QB - Above nfl average

#2 K - nfl average

#3 Run stuffing dlineman
(we might already have if guys get healthy)

#4 Pass rusher - either DE or OLB - above average to elite

#5 Wr - need 2 average to above average - we don't need elite but preferably at least one is an established veteran with a strong work ethic



Other positions can certainly be upgraded including depth upgrades but they are okay right now but these are our absolute needs/deficiencies.

The Browns and Superbowl should never be used in the same sentence unless it also contains "will never make".

I totally buy it.

Andrew Luck, Antonio Brown, JJ Watt, Evan Mathis, Steven Hauschka

That's 5.

My 5 positions would be ......

1) QB (big surprise)
2) PK
3) DE (pass rusher)
4) OLB (pass rusher opposite Kruger)
5) 3rd WR

I put QB #1 because that is the most important position on a team, and if you don't have one, you need one.

PK is 2, because that should be the easiest to fill.

3 and 4 are pass rushers. We need more productivity from this position, and if we get that, then the whole defense will take off.

5 is a 3rd WR, preferably a big receiver to play on the outside, especially on 3rd downs/goal line.

6 would be a backup OL .... but since a backup OL only plays in event of disaster, and since we have 5 high quality starters, I put this at 6.

Now if we lost Cameron in free agency, then we would need to fill that hole. Ditto for if we lose Skrine. However, I went based off of the players we have.

Dumb ass article.

They are not taking into account team chemistry, knowing how to win, the commitment of the players, the familiarity of the system, the cohesiveness between the FO and coaching staff, the stability of the organization, the want to of the players, etc, etc.

Delude yourselves.

come on bro.

i'm sure they are just talking from a pure talent stand point.

But that is not what it is all about, Swish.

yes in real life its everything you mentioned. i think all of us get that.

it was more or less an article about what key players in positions we need to make the next step into a playoff run.

Felt the exact same way watching the Colts. We have a LOT more talent than them outside of QB and WR.

It was my birthday on the 18th. We hang out, play pool, cornhole, and watch the Championship games. Great time.

We discuss forming our own softball team down here in Carolina. I played BB in high school. My daughter got a college scholarship to play softball. My son was a SS in baseball and won a Diamond Skills Contest and competed at Jacobs Field back in the day. My kids significant others are not baseball/softball players. My daughter's boyfriend played football, but not baseball. My son's fiance is a girly girl. They want me to be the pitcher and the coach of this team.

Well.............I was kinda drunk, right. I bring them all around for this important message........Lol... Anyway, the message was..........Too many coaches say that a player can't do this or do that. I never coached that way. It's about believing in a player. You challenge them to be their best. You put them in situations to succeed. Other times you challenge them. You expect the best and get the best. It's about creating a positive culture. It's about being a family. Believe in those you under your wings and they will one day soar to great heights. Heights far above that you have ever flown.

What does that have to do w/this article? It's not ALL about the talent level, bro. It's about creating a positive culture. It's about creating an environment where success is expected. It's about working together for a common goal. It's about sacrificing one's self for the greater good. It's about dedicating oneself to the team rather than being a selfish entity.

In that regard, talent be damned, the Browns are eons away from being a Super Bowl contender.

Now, some will say that I am negative, but believe me, bro..........I am as far away from being a negative person as there is. Watch me coach or teach........you'll see.

With a brand new system, and an average QB who had only started 4 games.. we were 7-4.

We lost the last 5 games because we went from "acceptable" QB to play to "terrible"

And that's not even counting the crap FG kicker that lost us a few games..

I've had people tell me that the Colts have a more talented roster than us. People just don't get it.

Chuck Pagano makes that defense better than what they are. Similar to what Bowles did with Arizona. Both are brilliant defensive minds that maximize EVERYTHING in their players.

If anybody wants to know what happens when great talent with great coaching faces great coaching with crap talent, look at the AFC Championship game.

5 players might as well be 22 players with how horrible this franchise is run.

It's not what is on paper that counts...any team can look good on paper.

you're entire post was personal.

i atleast put some football talk in my response toward you.

i listed exactly why i felt WR are important.

instead of highlighting in red what you felt you needed to respond to, why not highlight the football talk?

practice what you preach homeboy.

Edit: here ill help you out so you won't have to work so hard:

regardless of what gordon accomplished, or lack thereof, teams didn't stack the box on us when he came back.

how could they? you think it's just luck that Crowell managed to have one of his best games at Atlanta while Gordon STILL got 120 yards?

that game should tell you all you need to know. that was during Hoyers horrible slump by the way. he played like absolute dog crap yet he STILL beat atlanta through the air because we had a WEAPON they couldn't stop.

i never said the WR position was a lost cause, i said that was a position we definitely need help on.

now to add on that:

so somehow gordon coming back is proof we don't need a #1 WR? nevermind the fact that Hoyer was playing like absolute trash, right?

Gordon, as much as i currently hate him, was one of the reasons teams stopped stacking the box so much on us. defense HAVE to respect a player like gordon, regardless on if our offense is run first or pass first.

and thats the entire point. as much as our WR balled out this year, the fact is they didn't demand the respect need to not only be home run hitters, but pull that extra defender out of the box.

and when they did get wide the hell open, they were waiting for the ball that was in the air that seemed like forever.

I STILL think about that saints game we won, Hawk could've sat there and texted his mom waiting for that ball to come down. thank GOD the defenders blew that coverage. seriously.

QB is our #1 reason for not going to the playoffs. while WR wasn't even 2, 3, or 4, it was definitely top 5, as per the topic of this thread.

we need help there. all we need is one guy who can stretch the field. just ONE. and we will be fine with Hawk and Gabriel.

are you going to discuss football or whine like a kid?