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It looks like the Cleveland Browns are serious about keeping Jordan Cameron but may have some trouble doing so. According to a report this morning the Browns have started negotiations with Cameron but he has already turned down a contract between 6 and 7 million dollars:

Cameron’s free agency will be a very interesting one. Cameron had a break out year in 2013 but dealt with a ton of injuries, and some poor quarterback play, last season. His numerous concussions have kept him out of games and are a big concern for teams moving forward. Unlike other injuries, where once back to full health it is in the past, more concussions are likely after having a few.

Cameron is a West Coast guy as well. He may be interested in returning out that direction as well. There are plenty of teams that could use the services of tight end that showed signs of being elite. Yet how much might he be willing to leave on the table to be closer to family? The Browns have a ton of cap space and are likely to over pay for some players that they really want.

If Cameron moves on the Browns will have a few options. Julius Thomas and Charles Clay, far different types of players, would be great, if expensive, fits in free agency. The NFL Draft doesn’t have a “for sure” guy but Maxx Williams leads an interesting crop of players that could intrigue the Browns.

Even if they sign Cameron the Browns could look for another tight end. That would give them insurance against Cameron’s injuries as well as give the team two tight ends to cause havoc for defenses.

What do you think about Jordan Cameron reportedly turning down 6 to 7 million dollar contract offer?

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Hell, that's like a million a game for every game he plays... what the heck does he want?

Agreed. If he turned that down.......don't know what to say.

I understand NFL life is short, and players need to get what they can while they can..........but by the same token - the NFL is a business. Can't see signing him for $10 million when there is a very, very real possibility 1 hit can end his career.

This is why I do what I do for a living, as opposed to being a GM in the nfl, I guess.

I think the concussions made him forget to agree to it.

I also think that he wants out of Cleveland, perhaps to go back to the left coast.

Its more then fair. If he doesnt want it, so be it.

IMO, above average to generous offer. I'm going to resort to my previous comments... if he's wanting a king's ransom, then just draft a TE. Him being injured with all the various issues he's had including several concussions, I wouldn't come close to breaking the bank for him.

All JMO

Well, that's pretty much exactly what I said I'd offer him, and that he likely wouldn't take it.

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...need#Post912936

psh...bye. we can find a better TE. one that can actually stay on the field.

Hell, I was plenty happy with Dray and Barnidge as our TEs.

anyone know off hand how this stacks up to other TE's of his caliber?

What's his "caliber"? Pre concussion, or the guy that sits out most of the year?

NFLDraftDiamonds.com is the original source for this. Safe to say I'm not buying it.

Me too (though I'd still look to add someone else).

See ya Jordan.

Depends on how you define "his caliber". Graham, Gronk, Witten & Vernon Davis are the top four in terms of pay, ranging from $7-10M. Davis being the lowest paid and Graham being the highest, primarily (probably) because his is the newest contract. However, each of them have at least three seasons of 800 or more yards, (Gronk has one of three that is 790 but I won't split hairs here) while Cameron has exactly one. (Witten has the most with 8 and Graham and Davis each have four. Also, it could be said that Gronk, Witten and Graham are true game changers, I don't believe that is the case for Cameron.

In other words, 7M would put him smack in the middle of the next level of TEs like Vernon Davis, Kyle Rudolph, Antonio Gates and Marcedes Lewis. Bottom line, $6-7M is more than fair given his health, concussion & production history. I seriously doubt we will up that number. We'd be foolish if we did.

I think it would be borderline absurd putting Jordan into the realm of a Gronk, Witten or Graham.

Perhaps Jordan will change his mind when his agent tells him no one is willing to pay big $ for his services.

I mean damnnn, there was talks of him maybe retiring because the number of concussions suffered. He's not a blocking TE. I don't know... I just cannot possibly see him getting paid much more by another team.

If he would have had another decent year, (800+ yds) and stayed on the field, maybe you discuss a number around $8-9M because prices are going up, but he is too big of a risk to offer that type of payday along with the guaranteed money that would go with it. We likely say goodbye and draft another TE, IMHO.

This FO is going to have to learn when to part ways with players... Fan favorites or not..

This is one of those times...

It's slightly better than the contracts of Dennis Pitta, Marcedes Lewis, and Jared Cook, and a little under the contract for Antonio Gates, Kyle Rudolph, Vernon Davis, and Jason Witten. Only two guys significantly above that mark are Gronk and Jimmy Graham.

It'd be fine to put him in that neighborhood, but not as guaranteed money. It'd almost certainly have to be performance based and it'd have to have clauses to protect the team, especially in case of early retirement, etc...

I wouldnt take Cameron over Dray or Barnidge. If we wont to be a run dominate team, then you let him walk. If you want to be pass happy then you try to sign him. The guy is soft he doesnt like contact and whenever he is contacted he hurts something.

Even with the offset language/performance or incentive based details - I'd still be hesitant to grant him a big dollar contract. The amount of needed entities in the contract to make "me" feel comfy if the dollar signs are high would likely be something that Jordan and/or his agent would shoot down.

And not to be mean towards him as I honestly feel his talented as all Hell, but I'd choose a well-rounded TE (block, reliable and can run/catch) over a TE that resume really only has the run/catch part covered (which yes, he is and has proven he can exceptional at that.) I think Flip going to leave off where Kyle did and we'll continue to be that run-first offense. We can get by, or even likely be in a better situation, without a one-dimensional player such as Jordan.

All JMO

Can he be traded now? What is he worth? How big a cap hit coming and going?

Love Cameron when healthy and on. Cameron the concussed bench rider much less.
This is a fair offer IMO. What does the agent want?

Not selling the farm for a part time guy. The amounts become ridiculous when we say $$$$ per catch or per game.

We need a Gronk. Cameron's blocking doesn't wow me as much as the other two do.

Might be an important message to send: We will pay well and reasonably offer money and especially performance bonuses. But we will not be bent over (I hope) and held ransomed by damaged goods.

Try this: To Agent: We're done. Offer stands.

Look hard at who didn't help us to wins this year. Tell me this guy won't have a bullseye on his head. He can be put out.

Our other two were tougher. Can't score from the pine.

He's our best offensive weapon, but that's not saying much with our offense or lack there of. Problem is he is hurt all the time. Add to the long list of off season needs.

Out of Cleveland, and who can blame him at this point. But at the same time receiving tight ends are becoming easier and easier to find through the draft.

Later on Cameron.

Good news is if he gets at least as much as we were offering and we sign one fewer free agent for > vet minimum than our FAs sign with other teams, we should get a 4th round comp pick at that salary. OF course, that wouldn't be until 2016 draft.

Gotta take the silver linings where you can.

IMO, he is over rated. He is a horrible blocker and misses way to many games. He mentioned before about leaving, he wants to go home and play. I say, let him walk. He is good, but no game changer, and he clearly does not want to be here.

Was that, per year?

Or over 3-4 years?

No, he's an unrestricted free agent. We have 4 options
1) sign him to whatever he'd agree to
2) exclusive franchise tag - one year deal worth min roughly 8.3m (minimum of avg of top 5 TE) and he cannot negotiate with any other team.
3) non-exclusive franchise tag - one year deal worth min roughly 8.3m (minimum of avg of top 5 TE) and he can negotiate with any other team. If another team offers him a deal and we do not match we get 2 first rounders
4) transition tag - average of top 10 TE (roughly 7.2m), but if he gets an offer from another team and we don't match, go goes with no compensation.

of course, once he signs a franchise, we can trade him at any point as well, but we get the 8.3m cap hit.

I say do #3. it is one year, and barely over what we offered him. Nobody will offer him anything because he's not worthy of 2 first rounders. We get him for a year and we see if he can stay healthy and play well. If so, we offer higher next offseason, if not no big deal because we have a lot of cap space.

The Raiders had the fewest number of rushing attempts in the entire NFL last year.

The Browns, under Shanny, were 6th in rushing attempts.


Say goodbye to the running game and say hello to throwing the ball all over the field w/our great QB and awesome WRs.

Maybe we should double our offer for Cameron.

Being a Brown's fan is truly a miserable experience. Just when you think it can't get worse, it does.

I thought Deflippo was the QB coach and not the OC

Let him walk and grab this guy,

TE Nick Boyle
Delaware — FCS
Height: 6'4
Weight: 267
Hometown: Wantage, NJ
Age: 21

He was.

So, are you saying that proves that Flip will run the ball?

Help me understand your point.

I see what you did... and approve.

+1

There! Fixed it!

No it proves he was not the one calling the plays so to extrapolate the offense will run substantially less because he is the OC also is without proof.

I understand that, bro.........but you do realize he was part of the game-planning process, right?

This pretty much cements Walford as my top second round target. If he's gone maybe a late shot at the Kent State kid, or hope he goes undrafted. we'd probably have the best shot at landing him since UDFAs tend to stay easy driving distance from home if given the choice.