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that proves it, he's had one too many hits to the head. I thought Kyle Rudolph money was fair for Cameron. Looks like he will be out of here. In many ways, it is the smart move to not over pay this guy. He has a target on his head, and each concussion is keeping him out longer and longer. His time is short in this league. I don't blame him for going for the money, i just hope we are not the ones making the mistake. Like another poster said, need to know when it is time to let a fan favorite go..... IF it wasn't for his concussions, i'd up his offer a bit, but that history just scares me away.

I agree Bigfoot let the guy go get as much coin as possible. He may only have one year left. There is nothing to say he can't except Browns offer later.

I found it interesting Browns making a repectable offer early.

The franchise tag for tight ends is around $8 million. If we really want Cameron back, he will be back.

Why would it mean that we are going to throw the ball all over the place?

Pettine is on record that he wants to run the ball. A lot. He wants this to be a balance offensive team, with a strong run game.

DefIlippo was the QB coach in Oakland. he was not the offensive coordinator. He was not the play caller. While he had a huge part in developing Carr, he was not the one making decisions about the offensive structure, calls, and balance.

You seem to be going out of your way to dislike coaches. That is your right, but it seems like you are coming up with some things that just don't fit the available evidence.

Just target a guy like Jeff Heurman in the middle rounds. Has as much potential athletically, run blocks and can stay healthy.

If we are judging DeFilippo based off of what he has done as a QB coach in the NFL we should also go back to when he was with the Jets and they ran the ball more than anyone, right? (The 2009 Jets ran the ball 607 times. The next closest team ran the ball 525 times.)

Or in 2007 during DeFilippo's first stint with the Raiders as the QB coach and they ran the ball the 5th most times in the league. In 2008 they ran the ball the 10th most times.

Let's base our opinion of DeFilippo on his last season as QB coach of a team with a thoroughly washed up Maurice Jones-Drew, Darren McFadden, and a 6th round draft pick who has started three NFL games Latavius Murray. That's what a wise person would do.

I'm sure Cameron is banking on a big number and signing bonus to keep...as he knows one more hit and he's done in the NFL...his rookie contact was pennies NFL wise, he smartly wants money which I don't blame...Save our higher draft picks for other needs, there's some pretty good TEs available...I don't see nothing wrong with giving Gresham a 4 year $20 Mill deal

Then by that account, he's being offered a fair deal in my opinion. Given his health issues, I wonder who would offer more?

Greshem has hands of stone.

If Cameron is not re-signed I would give the Lions a call about Joseph Fauria. They drafted Eric Ebron in the first round last year and also have Brandon Pettigrew under contract.

Fauria is a big dude with great hands. At the very least he is a giant red zone target (he had three receptions for three TDs against us in 2013).

I really like Walford and agree that it's round 2 or he'll be off the board.

Cameron has played some WR previously. Could he be a #2 guy or does he lack speed/moves?

They need to let him walk after he rejected that offer. He's a good player, but he's not great. $7 million is a VERY fair offer for someone of his level. I like Jordan, but he's not THAT good and is one hit away from his brain turning to mush. Use that money on acquiring someone for the defensive line instead.

So I briefly read over the link and just saw the only tangible info is "$6-7M."

Thereare some other variables to consider and maybe not just the $6-7M that this source clearly left out and/or has no clue about?

- Guaranteed money
- Length of contract
- Bonus/Workout structure

There are more components into a contract than the yearly compensation. All we know is ONE piece. I think that piece is fair considering his comparison to other players but there are other factors, factors arguably more important that weren't even touched upon. The original source is 3-4 sentences long. Much is missing regarding this "offer" at this point. We all know it is about guaranteed $$ and that wasn't even touched upon in the article. If a contract was turned down, my guess the guaranteed $$ was more a factor than the $6-7M.

Personally, I hope he stays but I sense what others do about the West Coast thing. I also agree w/ cfrs that if they indeed offered him 6-7 and want him to stay, then just go ahead and tag him (transition or franchise, really) if he doesn't agree.

I honestly never expected us to resign Cameron.

I can see him taking that money elsewhere, just not in Cleveland.

I don't buy it either. The blog Yardbarker was another to subsequently report it. I've yet to see anyone credible verify the story.

Even if true, of course you turn it down. I mean, who accepts the first offer in the negotiation process other than Cosmo Kramer?

free coffee for life... man they would lose money on me.

NFL Draft Diamonds is a very good, reputable site.

The only Minnesota games I've seen this year have been TCU and most of the Ohio State, and I just saw them trying to force feed him without much success. I think I have their Bowl game on my DVR and plan to watch that, but I haven't gotten to that one yet. I do really like Walford, though.

Cameron does not want to play in Cleveland, and he is one concussion away from being on the permanent IR. WR/TE Devin Funchess could be in our sights along with another blocking TE late in the draft or FA.

When has Cameron ever said he doesn't want to play in Cleveland?

That's what I thought.

Anyway, if we want him we will just franchise him and he can't go anywhere.

The only thing Cameron has said was " I started here, I would like to end here."

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but if homey turned it down, doesn't that mean he doesn't want to be here?

i can't imagine him getting any more money anywhere else.

1. We don't even know if this offer actually happened as it has yet to be reported by a reputable source.

2. We don't know the details of the contract offer (length, guaranteed money, incentives, etc.)

I would keep him. Walking mismatch. Last year was fairly lame IMO.

Still want to hear official offer, and also what he wants, or that he wants out. Do we get compensation for him (might be best case) if we trade?

Transition tag with match maybe?

We can't trade Cameron. He is an unrestricted free agent.

The transition tag might be a good option as it will require less of a financial commitment from us and we can match any other team's offer (which could possibly lead us to getting Cameron for multiple years).

If we want to keep Cameron we will. There are options available.

Completely agree.

The past 2 years Gresham has 108 catchable passes and 4 drops in 2 years...and only 1 of those 4 drops occurred in 2014...He also leads the NFL in highest red zone scoring for a TE at 70% and has never dropped a red zone pass ever...Pretty great numbers for a TE may I add...Just like Cameron he has had what 3 or 4 coordinators too...and has been to the Pro Bowl twice, and if definitely a more rounded blocker...Does get banged up though but also plays through injuries (end of the year I think against the Steelers Gresham was injured all game yet still a magnificent TD grab and lots of second effort while hobling around on one leg for the play) I'd take him in a heartbeat

I apologize. I mistook Greshem for someone else.

That's embarrassing.

PS I wouldn't mind Fauria as well, guy is a massive target...I remember his monstrous day against us...Plus from what I hear he has a superb upbeat fun personality (evidence of his Nsync touchdown dance lol) I do wonder if Detroit releases Brand Pettigrew (I believe he has a near $4.5 cap number and he is pretty mediocre) and they utilize Fauria and Enron in combo...As Pettigrew, Fauria, Ebron all had down years in 2014...as all were injured for vast majority at the same time...

Don't be embarrassed man...it happens, plus we are Browns fans together...that's all that matters

P.S. I think you may have mistaken Gresham for Pettigrew (both bigger TEs drafted around the same time) Pettigrew has horrible hands and drops crucial passes often...well more often than anyone...I think he's lead or been near the top of the league in TE drops for multiple years now

Excellent job of pointing out the facts. I have noticed that you are making a lot of really logical and rational posts. Hope you keep posting.

cfrs: No big deal. We all make mistakes.

Pettigrew actually has a lot of talent. Wonder what is up w/him?

And I remember just how much of a licking he took from Whitner ... I thought for sure he'd have to come out of the game.

BTW, all these other names floating around... are they guys who can manage to say on their feet after catching the ball, or do they finish most of their catches with an untouched tuck and roll???? Cameron seemed to have pretty good vertical balance, but horizontally you'd think the guy was trying to get YAC on the deck of an aircraft carrier in 50ft swells...

Correct, I posted this above...our options

1) sign him to whatever he'd agree to
2) exclusive franchise tag - one year deal worth min roughly 8.3m (minimum of avg of top 5 TE) and he cannot negotiate with any other team.
3) non-exclusive franchise tag - one year deal worth min roughly 8.3m (minimum of avg of top 5 TE) and he can negotiate with any other team. If another team offers him a deal and we do not match we get 2 first rounders
4) transition tag - average of top 10 TE (roughly 7.2m), but if he gets an offer from another team and we don't match, he goes with no compensation.

of course, once he signs a franchise, we can trade him at any point as well, but we get the 8.3m cap hit.

I say do #3. it is one year, and barely over what we offered him. Nobody will offer him anything because he's not worthy of 2 first rounders. We get him for a year and we see if he can stay healthy and play well. If so, we offer higher next offseason, if not, no big deal because we have a lot of cap space.

That seems like the best option.

If the report of us trying to re-sign Cameron is true I don't see how we let him walk.