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What an awesome ad campaign that would be.

Mangini's Tire & Lube, where you see Eric getting oil poured all over his face. Shumur's Fine China, and we see Pat stumble into a display case. Butch's Bakery with Davis pulling a burnt and smoldering cake from the oven. Etc.

I used to wonder why people were so hard on the guy.

You've got to love this internet radio thing, though. I've been listening to the RBS pretty much every morning on my way to work for the last 6 to 8 months, maybe longer. And I kind of enjoyed Grossi for a while. Even defended him on here a few times.

The guy was absolutely clamoring for Manziel. You know why? Because that was the public sentiment. The guy is about as much attention as he can get. Now he's writing articles blasting the organization for anything Manziel-related.

He will do a complete 180 if he thinks it will get him attention or fan support. The guy is as phony as they come.

Grossi might be a jerk, but what does that have to do w/the situation?

Let me guess...........

--We don't want to acknowledge that established coaches didn't want to come here.

--We did not want to admit that it is odd to hire a qb coach who has never coached in the pros, college, or even high school.

--We don't want think about our OC is a first time OC.

--We don't want to even think about how inexperience at the QB position and inexperience in the coaching staff can lead to possible problems.

Hell no! All is great w/the Browns. Grossi is an idiot and let's concentrate on him like we did Shanny and LaCanafora, because the Browns have ZERO issues and they will make a playoff run this year.

Okie dokie.

Grossi is a jerk, Rish. But, what does that have to do w/the inexperience at the qb position and the coaches that are going to coach them?

Seriously, man.

Who cares if he is a jerk?

Are you--and others---REALLY saying you can't see the problem?

Seriously?

Do we know this for sure? And we have had established coaches and inexperienced coaches at various times over the last 15 years. None seem to work. I don't think not getting an established coach is an immediate death knell.



Yeah, that's odd. Does it have to be negative, though?



Childress, Turner, Chud ... all supposedly great OCs or offensive minds. At a minimum, they were experienced. They all failed here. The only prerequisite for success is a QB. Until we find one, no OC will be successful.



It could. Or it might not. We had an experienced OC last year, and there were still problems on the staff. I don't know if you've been paying attention or not, but even if Shanny is right about all of the dysfunction, there has been speculation that Pettine isn't broken up over his departure.



Grossi is an idiot. All you have to do is listen to him to figure it out.

Not all coaches take the same path to the NFL.

Gary Kubiak was made the QB coach in Denver after putting in 2 years at Texas A&M, as the RB coach. He then went to San Francisco, and coached Steve Young, for goodness sake.

Some people make good coaches immediately, and others never do. It is still an unanswered question which one O'Connell will be, but people seem to think highly of him.

Okay man.............everything is good w/the Browns and their only problems are a couple of media guys and a former coach.

Have a nice day.

Would y'all just stop. Jesus!

You don't think it is odd that we have two guys coaching our QBs that have no experience at what they are doing? You don't think it is downright strange that our QB has never coached before?

Okay........let's look at it in this light..........how many qb coaches in the NFL have never coached at all before they got their current jobs?

Are you freaking guys really going to argue about this?

Now.......flash back to your sig last year. Let's say Banner hired the guy. The uproar would have broken the board. The Three Stooges just hired a 29 year old QB coach who has never coached before. OMG.........we are the laughingstock of the league. We need to fire them all immediately. It's so embarrassing. The Three Stooges need to be lynched, tarred and feathered, dragged through the streets, stoned, etc.

This year, it's............Grossi is a jerk and all coaches gotta start somewhere.

That's not what I said Vers.

I am simply making a conscience decision to not be a sheep here. I am not going to join in on the piling on. I am not going to get myself worked up over it. For one, I hardly care anymore. Two, I have real world things to worry me. Three, I have no control over it.

I don't understand your anger over this. I understand the passion of being a fan. I understand the emotion of being a fan. I understand the anger and joy that comes with being a fan. But I just can't wrap my head around venom that you carry around here over something you have no control over.

I feel like you want me to join you in this frustration and anger. Well, I've got news for you. I am frustrated and angry. I'm just making a conscious decision to not get carried away with it.

Your posts paint a picture of no hope - no hope for Haslam, no hope for Farmer, no hope for DeFlip. Maybe you are right. Maybe next year will be a big flop. But what can we do about it?

I think you and some others are going to be very happy by the end of the week, though. I don't think Farmer survives the texting thing. I'm getting a really bad vibe that the texts will be released and they are going to be ugly.

A sheep? Seriously?

The majority of you are making excuses. You refuse to acknowledge there are problems in Berea. You blame reporters. You blame former coaches. You blame other posters.

The majority of you make one excuse after another for the FO and then talk in extremes about how we all want to fire everyone.

You are a sheep. You are doing exactly what the majority of the posters are doing. It's making excuses for the Browns and blaming everyone but them.

And stop w/this crap of me being happy about anyone getting fired. You asked me this before. I thought I constructed a well-thought-out response to you. Of course, you ignored it because it didn't fit into the pigeon-hole you placed me in.

I have told you this before. I want the Browns to realize the crap they have been pulling is wrong. You guys making excuses for them---just as many did w/Gordon---does NOT freaking help!!!!!!

They need to correct the issues. They are serious issues. I don't give a rat's butt about the legality of it. I just know that it is wrong for the FO to text in play calls, sit in w/the coaches to break down film, demand roster moves and playing time, etc, etc.

Shanny didn't leave because he is a "me" person. He left because there is real dysfunction in the organization. It would be best to NOT ignore it and have the Browns fix it, before it gets even worse!

Gosh man.............that is just common stinkin' sense.

And let me add this...........I know you can't stand me, but I actually like you as a poster. You have some good takes and don't always follow the mob. I actually take what you say seriously, and I can't say the same about many posters. So........I'm not railing on you. I just simply think that things are off kilter in Berea and the best thing is for them to admit it and FIX them, rather than assigning blame to others.

Is that so hard to understand?

I ignored it because it was fluff.

You said "I want them to fix it!"

Well geez, cool.

I was more interested in the how would you fix it.

I do think that's asking a lot of anyone on a message board, but instead of complaining all the time, I thought you might have some productive ideas. But I think you just like to complain. Must provide you with some type of therapy. With all your complaining and no real solution proposed, I have no other conclusion to draw than you want the guys fired. I don't know what else to make of your posts.

Like I said, I think you are going to get your way. Instead of claiming you don't want it, why don't you rejoice in it?

O'Connell can't be any worse than No-gains was. To watch Hoyer go down the tubes and see Manziel so clueless out there, the qb coach has to shoulder some of the blame. Can't wait to see what he does with Cutler.

Fluff? LOL..........okay man.

I responded to a similar post like this before with the words "Not true."

My response to this post is the same.

I'm getting a little tired of the smack between Vers and Rish. I have decided to ignore both posters comments in the future as long as they keep sniping at each other.

THAT'S my 2 cents.

LOL.........he needed to announce that?

Allow me to try:

I am getting a little tired of Groza saying he is getting tired of me and Rish and that he is going to ignore us.

I have decided to about it.

That's my two cents.


Pssstttt.....let's see if has me on ignore like Memphis and anarchy do?

I don't blame you. I find it annoying as hell when I read others going at it.

At times I just can't help myself.

I am curious why you chose me, though. There are worse offenders on here.

You're right Vers. We are doomed.

You act like Defilippo has never been a coach in the NFL, and/or has never called plays anywhere. That is not the truth. I will use the same example I used before. Gary Kubiak, when he became an OC, had been a RB coach for 2 years at Texas A&M. That's it. How did he earn his reputation? He did a really nice job almost as an assistant coach when backing up John Elway. Prior to his 1st season in Denver, he had never called plays at any level, ever. He had never been a QB coach at any level. He, *gasp* had ties to John Elway. He had been Elway's backup for years. He then was Elway's QB coach and his coordinator. That can never work out.

Geesh. Maybe the Browns caught lightening in a bottle. For whatever reason, it is completely indisputable that Manziel had horrible mechanics, and that Hoyer's mechanics regressed as the year went by. Making sure that the QB is proper in his mechanics is a major part of the work of a QB coach, is it not? Did the last guy do his job? Now, if O'Connell can keep the QB(s) mechanically sound, and help them with coverages and such, does it matter if he has 100 years experience, or if he is a rookie coach? O'Connell knows the league. He has worked in it. He understands it. I happen to believe that a new position coach's biggest challenge is not learning "stuff", but learning people. If a guy has played in the NFL, he knows "stuff". If he has worked on his craft, he knows mechanics. Perhaps he was a coach on the sidelines for his teams. Maybe he helped the QB on the field. Who knows? The QB Coach has to understand mechanics, reads, and how to communicate. He has to be able to teach, and he has to be able to help the QB control his emotions when he comes to the sidelines so he can effectively teach. I don't know if O'Connell is a masterpiece pick right now, or if it is a horrible pick. However, he fits the team. He fits with the head coach. I like the head coach, so I will give him the benefit of a doubt.

You have constantly ragged on Defilippo, and I happen to think that he is an incredibly bright guy. You complained, for some reason, about the play calling in Oakland, but he did not call plays there. He did help develop Carr, and seemed to do a really nice job there. You are correct that he has never called plays in the NFL, but according to ESPN, he did so for 2 years at San Jose State. His experience calling plays, combined with his NFL experience as a QB coach, make me excited to see what he brings to the team. He also has said that he is not out to reinvent the wheel, and will use much of the verbiage the team is familiar with from Shanahan. He has said that it is not reasonable to make all of the offensive players learn new descriptions for plays when he can learn their old play language instead. That tells me that he has a great idea of how to not make life more difficult for the team.

I am excited about the hiring of DeFilippo, and O'Connell can work with Flip to learn the QB Coach position as he goes along .... learning to coach the way Flip wants him to, and teaching the things Flip wants him to teach. I don't know for sure whether or not it will work, but I am not going to constantly complain about it. I certainly am not going to take the Lord's name in vain. We'll see how it works out. The last guys certainly did nothing to teach Manziel. Hoyer's mechanics and ability seemed to deteriorate as the season progressed. Now we have new coaches. We'll have to wit and see how they do. I am sure that if the y do not do a great job, you will be here to tell us about it.

Vers. You remind me of a guy that is watching 2 guys fight it out in a parking lot. You yell & scream for 1 guy to lay out the other and egg him on. Then when the cops show up, your the first one to tell 'em that you tried to stop it but they wouldn't.

There is as much truth in "everything is rainbows in Berea" As there is in "Berea is going down in flames"

Why you always choose the bad is beyond me.

Because Banner, the smartest man alive and who he hitched his Browns' wagon to, is gone.

Rish, I don't see Farmer going at all. Of course I think Jimmy had Ray texting during some games that he wondered what was going on. I can't see Jimmy hanging him out to dry. Of course if it was just Ray them maybe he will go.

Mac, I might be wrong, but if I owned the Browns I could see getting caught up in the moment and having my GM text to find out what happened or what was going on. All we can hope for is Jimmy has learned to back off and let the coaches coach.

If that's the case, the GM has to be smart enough to talk his boss down off the ledge, not help him jump off.

Having said that, I don't think Farmer goes anywhere. He'll get fined, we'll lose a pick maybe and that will be the end of it.

Just a guess of course.

I agree.

But what can the Brown's do? They've taken 15 years to dig this black hole. Yup, no experienced coaches want to jump into that mess. We are lucky to get high school experienced coaches here. It is what it is. We will need to live that until we emerge out of the black hole into a different and new universe.

Nothing was as bad as hiring that Penske Racing PR guy and UF on-campus student recruiter as first time scouts in 2013.

You remind me of a guy who hits a guy from behind when he is fighting someone else.