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Where is the side that portrays us as functional and where is the truth in it?
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Gotta disagree with you a bit here:

1) 7-9 vs. largely inferior teams: YES! But under his coaching WE weren't considered one of those largely inferior teams . We also managed to keep pace with the rest of our division for nearly 3/4 of the season like we should have.

2)Starting Manziel: I personally thought that Hoyer should have finishes the season as the starter, however I have to admit his play hadn't made a strong case. Looking at it objectively I think the line of thinking was "Well Johnny can't possibly do any worse..." well you know what they say about hindsight? haha

3)Dysfunction amongst players/coaches: I'm not quite clear on your meaning with this one. The guys who acted like knuckleheads (Manziel, Gilbert, Gordon, a lesser extent West) primarily did so as individuals. The rest of the team seemed to play as a unit and I really do think we are starting to see a real foundation of a that elusive "identity" one of the previous posters talked about.

4)Not standing up for Shanny: A lot of this stuff was behind closed doors, but did he really have a reason to do such a thing? If its true Shanny was looking through the Want Ads while Pettine was away, wouldn't that be disrespectful to Pettine? Seems to me the professional and respectable way would be for Shanny to approach Pettine and say "Hey, I'm not happy with the environment (or pick one of the 32 reasons). I'm starting to wonder if this is the right place for me" BEFORE he started looking. Chain of Command type of thing. Give Pettine a chance to address concerns first instead of blind siding him. If Shanny doesn't show that much allegiance, why would anyone expect any allegiance in return?

Of course its all speculation. For me the biggest mystery is what in the world happened after the Thursday night game??????? Everything seems to roll down hill from there.

ha,, good point? So what's the big deal with some calling out folks for not playing follow the leader?

Mac. That's not enough.

I'm gonna need five more links before I consider that I might consider it.

Well maybe Memphis will settle for 5 more, But I want a minimum of 10 links....

I usually only have 4 links with my breakfast...

thats what she said.

Geez Swish,, where did your mind go LOL

Forgive if already mentioned, but does anyone have a link to this so called 50 min interview from Haslam?

I don't think there is any audio, if that is what you are asking.

Here's a one I think

http://medinagazette.northcoastnow.com/2...johnny-manziel/

No, I can't even find a transcript of the entire interview. Prefer a video or audio link but I'm not sure one exist yet...

The team didn't allow any re-broadcast. Reporters were only allowed to record for accuracy's sake.

and herein lies the reason men amke the worst map makers... only a male could make one inch seem like a mile

Ahh, thanks bro.

I'm pretty surprised the electronic media put up with that. That channel 5 guy who asked the Three Stooges question of Haslam last year is getting payback, I think.

I think I will put Haslam in the Political column ..
.. How do you know when he is lying ?

when he opens his mouth?

You know what. Screw all you guys. No matter how many times these situations play out and no matter how many times it is proven that you guys were wrong about the entire affair and I was right........you NEVER EVER stop w/the same, stupid, mindless attacks.

I never needed you guys to say I was right. That isn't the point. But by now............you would think that a rational person would at least accept my arguments instead of bashing me and acting like I am nonsensical and making crap up.

Again.................screw you guys!

somebody give this guy some prozac.

Wow, you really know how to kill the mood

j/c

Whichever side you fall on with the Shanahan situation it still comes back to the front office folks. If you think Shanahan has terrible character and brought all this on himself, Haslam and company hired this guy. If he is what some of you believe, he didn't just turn into that person as many of you have pointed out with stories from other teams. It doesn't just hurt consistency to keep firing people, it also hurts consistency when you hire the WRONG people. I'm sorry, but however you look at this, it falls back on the people at the top.

It was an ender for sure... think there was only like 2 posts after that by the time I called it a night.

QFT... the voice of reason

I don't see why blame has to be a part of this.

Pettine said it best. They went with Shanny because of his experience. MP felt like with everybody else being new or a rookie they needed someone with experience. And it was getting late, Shanny really did not want to be here either but, like I said it was getting late. They tolerated each other for the year, then MP got who he really wanted. It really isn't about blame, it was about what worked out for both of them at the time.

I have no idea why anyone with an ounce of sense tries to engage the guy in a conversation. If you agree with him, he'll shower you in compliments about a well thought out football observation - if you disagree with him and want to actually challenge anything he says, or provide logical arguments for your stance/opinion - he insults you and then runs away and hides. Often with a side course of "everyone's a bully".

I've had the dude on ignore for a week or so - I keep seeing that he is responding to posts of mine, why I don't know since I can't see what he writes unless it is quoted like in this above. What a classy little post this was. If I didn't know better I'd swear the person that wrote this was 12. Does it matter? Should it matter? Not really - but it really sticks in the throat when someone is such an out and out hypocrite and slams everyone else for what he does himself constantly.... there is only ONE constant in the verbal abuse and fighting, and that is the individual involved, that should be a clue no?

It's not a "who's side is right" kinda thing really Jules.

I would agree, the responsibility lands on the hiring manager in most cases. But the employee has a responsibility also.

I just think that Shanahan wasn't all that and a bag of chips. I was impressed with what was happening the first part of the season, but after Mack went down, I thought for sure Shanny would have to adjust in some fashion and it didn't seem like he did.

So if Haslam, Farmer and Pettine (maybe) became restless, who could blame them..

They had a great year building and then the bottom drops out. That's not to say that it's all on Shanahan. But some of it falls on him.

So, yeah, while I agree with you about the problem flowing up hill, Shanahan had a hand it it.

Face it, had he been able to adjust things so that we didn't fall completely apart, there may not have been any second guessing by Haslam and Farmer.

Goes both ways.

''I got news for U sweetheart..don't question how I run my organization..if U do you might not be around to see the end results..''

Cool, because I never said it was. I said, whichever way you lean on what took place it is still a reflection on the FO.





Yes, and again, they knew the type of person they were hiring. It is the responsibility of those in charge to hire the right people if continuity is what they say they are striving for.





Haslam seems to get restless quite a bit. I find that concerning.

We all can just keep making excuses for the never ending coaching carousel and just keep blaming the people who quit or are fired, or we can take a critical yet fair look at why these things are happening. It's the job of the FO to get these hires right and see that they get the right people involved in drafting and running the football operations. I think they got it right with Pettine. Let's hope Haslam doesn't get restless with him also.

Haha! I will once again remain silent!

I see I should have been in here a lot sooner.
Whole lot of arguing...man I miss that..
If anyone thinks Lex Luthor is playing straight , they should wake up.
And my new nickname for Ray is now Devil Ray..yes the Legion of Doom..
Lex wants fans to think things are cool..they're not ,as the past soap opera shows.
How they clean it up remains to be seen, but don't get shocked Jules if some more bomb shells ignite soon.
But the buck does stop at luthor's feet...

Oh I don't know Jules, If I was worth 1.8 billion and had a billion dollars tied up in one single investment, I think I'd be watching closely.

It might be that he doesn't have the right mind set for this level of investment and if so, he made a mistake buying the team. He does need to show a bit more patience.

But like most people in business that are Type "A" personalities, if they see signs things aren't going right, they step in first and quickly.

It's almost a curse.

I'm not trying to defend him, I'm trying to put myself in his shoes to see how it feels rather then just condemn him and call him names.

If that was the case, and I think that it was, then I hope both have learned and time to move on.