DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum It's official, Gordon suspended for 1 year

The leaks did not come from Aaron, he was released only because Farmer wanted to bring in his own guy. as a matter of fact I posted the following article back then that was written about two months before they let Aaron go.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns...ture?src=mobile

That's cool. You made a sound argument and did it w/out all the usual insults that most resort to.

I agree w/some of what you are saying. But, I think Josh was in the wrong. Not the Browns. Reading things like.......when I pulled into the parking lot and if Josh's and TRich's cars were in the parking lot, I knew it was going to be a good day tells me the problem was Josh's.

Do you work, Mourg? Do you agree w/everything management does? Do you repeatedly show up late? Do you break rules? Would you do drugs if your company prohibited them?

I like Shea and wish we would have kept him, but it wasn't like Josh was staying straight while Shea was here.

Ok, Thanks man. Sure hope Ray picks it up. Things need to start looking up for us.

One good season does not make him a hall of famer.... He excelled one season in a very friendly "just go and and we'll throw it to you" offense. When it came time to be a professional and learn a mentally intense offense(WCO) he failed miserably. The GREATS can play anytime anywhere. In any system. I don't see him as great. I see him as getting by on talent alone and being unwilling to WORK to be better.

During the Jerry Rice "a football life" Steve Young was talking about going in to the practice facility a couple days after winning the SB to pick up a few things from his locker. The place was deserted. Everyone was home enjoying their time off. But when he looked out on the practice field, Rice was out there. Running routes all by himself. THAT is what made him the greatest. THAT is the dedication WE need to find in a receiver. And for damned sure that isn't in meathead. Sure he's got SOME natural ability. But his route running sucks. He's not a willing blocker. And he's the dumbest MF on the planet. To the people that pimp him as a top five player? I'd say that makes him HIGHLY overrated.

I agree 100%. And keeping a player on the team JUST to keep another inline seems absurd to me. I liked Shea and if they had kept him for what he did for the team ON THE FIELD? That would have been fine. But saying we should keep him just to keep meathead around is not alright... wasting a roster spot for a babysitter for meathead is idiotic.

PSSTT Spirit. Shea was not on our roster, he worked in the front office.

Is Gordon back to used car salesman status?

He's on the wash rack now.

He better make a good impression as I highly, like in the most extreme fashion, doubt he'll go a full offseason without another failure.

Better hope he can sell those cars!

I bet you are right about that Dawg LB.. My guess is he doesn't make it to the Draft without getting his smoke or drink on.

Agreed. Not trying to hate, but if he makes it without an incident, I'll be incredibly shocked, dumbfounded, in non belief.... you get the picture.

March 10: 2015 league year and free agency period begin at 4 p.m. ET. All clubs must be under the 2015 salary cap before 4 p.m. ET

Typical how everyone here was saying the exact same BS about Gordon last off season. Now they're all at it again LOL. All in the hopes that Gordon will straighten out. I got news for you guys. It's not going to happen. He'll mess up and the Browns will have egg on their face again by keeping him on the team.

What egg? He is not on the Team. Won't be on the Team for at least a year.

I think it was booze. He was apparently on a flight to Las Vegas where he had several drinks and a beer or two. he got off the plane and was told he had a couple of hours to get tested.

I think I have that right.

Yes, in his letter to the press, he stated that he knew that during the season, he wasn't to use booze and that he'd be tested. But he incorrectly thought that when the season was over, he was clear to partake.

At least that's what he said. Take that for what it's worth considering the source.

Why in the hell are you so hell bent on getting rid of Gordon? What difference does it make. he's not allowed in Berea, he's not allowed to practice, he's not getting a dime in pay. He's under contract and can't go anywhere else, not even Canada or the Arena league.

He's stuck in limbo, he can't do a damn thing when it comes to professional football..

So tell me again what it hurts to let him sit on his couch.

Believe me, the other players know. There is no need to send a message. That's for kindergarden kids, not grown men making millions a year.

For me, it's a damned weak argument for dumping him. VERY WEAK

Now, if they do dump him, I won't be the least big upset. But I still won't think it's the smarter thing to do. this of course is based on what we know today. Barring new info, I'm sticking with this belief.

Bill Belichik strongly disagrees with you. The Patriots organization holds their players accountable and won't hesitate to send a message as evidenced by Belichik actions. For example, this year alone after Jonas Gray was late for practice, sent home and did not play the following week after having just rushed for 201 yards against the Colts. He only received a total of 3 carries in the 2 subsequent weeks after his benching.

To say messages do not need to be sent when attempting to build a solid culture is a foolish notion. Otherwise, clever mantras like 'Play Like a Brown' becomes more empty rhetoric and fall on deaf ears.

Players need to make a commitment to each other and one repeatedly fails to meet the commitment to the team it's likely time to cut bait.

Nobody is bigger than the team.

And we did the same with West. JG is in limbo. Any player looking at this knows that because of his actions, he cannot go elsewhere or do anything about it. Don't you think everybody has took notice? No player out there wants to be where Gordon is now. It sends a big message.

Was he suspended by the league? Did he cost them anything to be on the roster (whether he played or not)?

Bottom line, you are comparing apples to oranges. Totally different situations.

Gordon costs nothing. I'd be willing to bet that every player in that locker room understands and has no desire to be in Gordons shoes.

He's out in the cold, he's all alone, no teammates to work or talk with. No team to rely on. No fan base to back him up or take up his defense (because there isn't any)

He's out on an island. This is about as bad a punishment as he can get short of jail time.

If he doesn't get right, he's done, But in the meantime, it costs us nothing. And at some point in time, he may actually net us something. SO if it's costing us nothing, why not just let it ride.

Everyone (other than Josh) knew the "season" wasn't over until after the season was over.

He wasn't told to not drink until the Browns season was over - it was until the LEAGUE season was over.

I will guarantee 1 of 2 things: Josh knew that because he was told by his agent, his lawyer(s), and the team and he just ignored it because he was on a plane heading out to have a good time, OR his agent, lawyer(s) and the team need to get their crap together.

My money is on the first scenario.

Mac, I don't think anyone except those in the NFL know the exact dates, but it's for the year. What does that mean exactly? Could it be Jan 2 2015 to Jan 2 2016? Or is it the League year that begins in March 2015 and ends in March 216 (not sre of the exact date but I think it's the 10th based on other comments)

Basically, it doesn't make any difference. Unless we happen to make it to the playoffs, then if the suspension ends Jan 2, 2016, then I guess there is a chance he could rejoin the team.. Not that I think that would be a good thing at all., Look how rusty he was when he came back.

If it's march to march, then it doesnt mean much..

either way, there isn't much to worry about.

obviously it was coincidence.

Look, the guy has gone on record saying he takes a multitude of pee tests each month. I forget the exact number but it is a TON....quite frankly, a ridiculous and draconian amount from what I recall. Although I'd like to believe there is a conspiracy going on, it may very well have been just another phone call for the obscenely stupid amount of times he has to piss in a plastic container.

If Josh knew the 'rules' and got caught- that's on him. If Josh didn't know the rules and still got caught- that's on him too. Personally, it's the rules that are abundantly wrong. But that's not a pass.

The fact he got "caught" with an legal substance in his system is another matter altogether, but irrelevant to this particular conversation.

Well, in all fairness, I really like Josh Gordon and his ability so don't think I'm trying to "go off on him" like I've been incorrectly indicted for on this board (not by you). I want him to stay, and I want him to get his crap together. I've seen the 70 tests in a row thing but I feel like I've also read 10 times a month. Not sure what is real, of course.

I won't rule out someone tipped the NFL off. It does seem to have a rather plausible argument. It's just the previously reported frequency of testing Gordon that has me questioning the validity.

The 'rules' are just a mess, EO. Just a mess.

up to ten times a month.

The NFL isn't dumb. They may not be able to see some things clearly, like in the Ray Rice case, but they can usually put together a guy, in the drug program, who is not allowed to use alcohol, who missed a walk-through prior to the last game, costing himself an accrued season, heading off on a plane, appearing in tweeted pictures with numerous liquor bottles, looking like he may have had a few ........ and even they can add all of that up and say "Gee, we better test this guy ASAP, because it sure seems as though he may have violated the terms of his program ....... again".

Even the NFL can figure that one out. Hence the drug test requirement before he hit the ground.

Josh gets tested often - because of his past. The NFL wasn't "waiting on him with a pee cup" when he arrived.


Does anyone remember reading an article where Josh was being interviewed, and his phone rang, and he told the interviewer "well, I have to go soon, have a test to take."

If ANY of what Josh said about this latest test is true..........well, it isn't. A guy his size......2 mixed drinks and 2 beers over a 4 hour flight, AND having 4 hours after landing to report for the test - well, he's lying.

He had a window of 8 hours - yet he still tested positive. And, by the way, he should have knwon when the "season" was over didn't mean when the Browns season was over. He failed at understanding, his lawyers failed at explaining, and his agent failed at explaining.

Regardless, he had 4 hours after he landed to take the test. He claims he had 4 drinks. Give my 110 lb wife 8 hours and 4 drinks, she's testing at 0.0 for alcohol. So maybe he waited 2 hours into the flight to have 2 beers and 2 drinks. That leaves 6 hours.

Maybe he just slammed them 1/2 an hour before landing - that still gives him 4 hours to test.

Nah - the nfl was "out to get him". And Josh also didn't have just 4 drinks. And Josh knew when his probation was over - he just chose to ignore it.

It's pretty simple Tab.

If you're stating how long you're going to be in rehab before you go to rehab, you haven't been assessed yet. I was simply replying to your assertion that it was stated he would be there 2 to 3 weeks before he even went there.

I will say that without us knowing the details we really can't say. There are all sorts of programs out there. Inpatient, outpatient, court ordered, you name it.

They may have said come in for 2-3 weeks and we will assess you. He may have been thinking he would be there 2-3 weeks.

All this speculation is just that, speculation. The bottom line is that maybe, just maybe, he realizes he has a problem, and turns his life around.

This says:

Generally, inpatient treatment begins with a 28-30 day program, but it's individualized and can last two or three times that long depending on the nature of the addiction or other issues being addressed. Some patients are treated for a dual diagnosis of substance abuse and psychological issues, which normally requires a longer stay.

I'm quite sure that's what we all hope for.

I was simply addressing Tab and his assertion that JFF would only be in rehab for 2 or three weeks and believes that's what was stated.

I don't even know if that's what was stated or not.

Wish I could find the article, but I read that a browns coach was also on that flight, it was either the WR coach or QB coach- but if I recall correctly it was the WR coach. Wouldn't it be crazy if that was the source. I doubt it though- it does tick me off that a coach couldn't have intervened. Maybe he tried, who knows. Its also really silly to think Gordon didn't know when his deadline expired. The guy must be dumber then a rock. I'm sure the NFL gave him written notice of his terms of suspension and that he would be tested for alcohol for his fourth of july incident.