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McCown also met with the Bears today. I wonder if he were to sign with them, if Cutler would become available.

If Cutler is available he is by far the best QB on the market.

Obviously if we signed McCown, it would be the end for Brian Hoyer.

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Originally Posted By: KNOXDAWG
nobody is more anti manziel than i am, but we must give him a chance to prove himself. i mean we never give anyone a real chance to succeed in this org.
manziel was considered by many to be a project anyway and projects take time to develope. he has so much to offer to the game if he can only get the time it takes to learn the skills needed at this level.
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We really don't have a choice other than to give him a chance, it isn't like we're loaded with quaterbacks that can get the job and that's including him. Believe it or not, he will have one season under his belt and if he can start taking this career seriously, maybe he can make headlines for the high throwing percentage instead of what he has been. For that to even come close to happening, a lot of ground must be covered. An incredible amount of ground.

As for Mike Glennon, eh... If Hoyer is still grasping onto that hope that he's going to get paid big for a few good games (that play action tore up teams), then it was either Sanchez or Glennon. Honestly, none of them are really appeasing.

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let's also bring in a QB that at least looks like an NFL QB. By that I mean physically, a guy who has the height,size and arm. Also a guy that has no baggage
you just described glennon to a T. tongue


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4: Number of top-50 picks at skill positions Glennon had for his "success" in Tampa. How many will he have here?

3: Number of receivers 6'5" or taller in Tampa. How many will he have here?

2: Number of times he was benched for Josh McCown (who is a free agent and would cost nothing to acquire) last year.

1: Overall pick Tampa has due to their poor record.

Why do we think this is a good idea?

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If we want Glennon, we should just draft Sean Mannion.

We do have a much better offensive line than the Buccaneers, but Glennon is likely nothing more than a cheap stopgap.

I would much rather sign of the several below average free agent guys instead of giving up an asset for Glennon.

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We really don't have a choice other than to give him a chance,

my comment was directed to anyone that wants to trade him now.

Honestly, none of them are really appeasing

you are absolutely right. the QB FA market is very slim, but you either settle for the best of the worst or get off your wallet/draft picks and go after one that is proven.


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since i only follow browns football ya think maybe TB had more problems than QB?


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2: Number of times he was benched for Josh McCown (who is a free agent and would cost nothing to acquire) last year.


I do not take into consideration any QB choices made by Lovie Smith.


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Originally Posted By: clevesteve
4: Number of top-50 picks at skill positions Glennon had for his "success" in Tampa. How many will he have here?

3: Number of receivers 6'5" or taller in Tampa. How many will he have here?

2: Number of times he was benched for Josh McCown (who is a free agent and would cost nothing to acquire) last year.

1: Overall pick Tampa has due to their poor record.

Why do we think this is a good idea?


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funny how the bears made the wrong choice, goin with jay...they`ll land Mcown. I`m guessing we`ll get this years Jake Delhome.

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Originally Posted By: Milk Man
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4: Number of top-50 picks at skill positions Glennon had for his "success" in Tampa. How many will he have here?

3: Number of receivers 6'5" or taller in Tampa. How many will he have here?

2: Number of times he was benched for Josh McCown (who is a free agent and would cost nothing to acquire) last year.

1: Overall pick Tampa has due to their poor record.

Why do we think this is a good idea?


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lol yes.

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Funny how Sheard is rated top 5 in every statisticians run stopping category but not one fan thinks he can stop the run. Which is true?

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Funny how Sheard is rated top 5 in every statisticians run stopping category but not one fan thinks he can stop the run. Which is true?


The statistics are done by an unbiased observer.

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lol yes.


Nice. Zegura was hedging his bet in case the Browns sign him. Ha.

On a side note.....


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lol yes.


Nice. Zegura was hedging his bet in case the Browns sign him. Ha.


I didn't hear what he said (they cut off my feed on my phone when I finished.) What did he say?

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Funny how Sheard is rated top 5 in every statisticians run stopping category but not one fan thinks he can stop the run. Which is true?


he played better than alot on the board think. he is another that was playing injured pretty much all year.


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I am excited for the Varmah Sonie era.

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Basically blamed all of Glennon's woes on the offensive line. Said he's got great size, plays great in the pocket, every measurable you want in a QB and has that 2:1 TD/INT ratio you want in a QB.

I thought you'd start laughing in Zegura's ear when you stated Glennon had 3 TB wide receivers over 6' 5" and he came back with "we have Rodney Smith."

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Originally Posted By: Milk Man
Basically blamed all of Glennon's woes on the offensive line. Said he's got great size, plays great in the pocket, every measurable you want in a QB and has that 2:1 TD/INT ratio you want in a QB.

I thought you'd start laughing in Zegura's ear when you stated Glennon had 3 TB wide receivers over 6' 5" and he came back with "we have Rodney Smith."


Yeah that's why I preempted it when I said "that actually see the field." Thanks for the info, MM.

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j/c:
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Sam Bradford has permission to seek a trade. Finding compensation to Rams' liking will be difficult. But his agent can speak to other teams.


https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora

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Sam Bradford has permission to seek a trade. Finding compensation to Rams' liking will be difficult. But his agent can speak to other teams.


https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora

saywhat


This sounds backwards. Why would Bradford want to be traded?

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Sam Bradford has permission to seek a trade. Finding compensation to Rams' liking will be difficult. But his agent can speak to other teams.


https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora

saywhat


This sounds backwards. Why would Bradford want to be traded?


Don't know but if LaCanfora tweeted it, it's golden.


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Sam Bradford has permission to seek a trade. Finding compensation to Rams' liking will be difficult. But his agent can speak to other teams.


https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora

saywhat


This sounds backwards. Why would Bradford want to be traded?


Because STL sucks?


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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
...but if LaCanfora tweeted it, it's golden.


rofl

You know, how did this dude land his job? Why can't I be hired to go to all these cool football events, exclusive memberships and etc, get paid likely a TON - and write a bunch of non-stop bs? I can write bs!

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St. Louis is going to end up moving to L.A. after this up coming season (so I've heard from multiple sources). That team and organization is going to catch a lot of heat this up coming season. Makes sense to go ahead and get it out now, plus Fisher and that organization have not publicly made any kind of commitment to Bradford. I would GLADLY give up a 3rd or 4th round draft pick in exchange for Sam Bradford. He's been productive with CRAP at the skill positions when he's been healthy. Our offensive line is a lot better than the one in St. Louis.

At this point, I would take either Glennon or Bradford.



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I am excited for the Varmah Sonie era.




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...but if LaCanfora tweeted it, it's golden.


rofl

You know, how did this dude land his job? Why can't I be hired to go to all these cool football events, exclusive memberships and etc, get paid likely a TON - and write a bunch of non-stop bs? I can write bs!


Actually, he is rather spot on with information he gets. It's his opinion and his desire to twist a situation, at least in this space, where his credibility is questioned. And that's valid. But to the twitter post, I would bet there is legitimacy behind it....but that doesn't mean anything will happen...he is owed a handsome sum of money teams may shy away from.


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He was in on running downs. (Sheard)

QBs any and every scenario is going to have us interested I guess...smh



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Browns coach Mike Pettine took the podium at the NFL combine and then talked to reporters off to the side afterward for another 10 minutes. He addressed all the major issues facing the Browns right now, including Johnny Manziel's rehab and the quarterback situation, Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports.

He said he went to visit Manziel in rehab last week "to see how he's doing and let him know we're proud of him.''

He said Manziel decided on his own to go to rehab and that the Browns didn't encourage him to go. He said Manziel is "in a much better place than when he went in'' and is determined to be even better when he gets out.

Having said that, Pettine stressed that the Browns have to proceed as if they need to find a starting quarterback. He said there are too many unknowns for the Browns to be able to be to count on him. He said they'll look for a quarterback in the draft or amongst available veterans.

Pettine said he believes offensive coordinator John DeFilippo and QB coach Kevin O'Connell will maximize the talents of Manziel and other quarterbacks on the roster.

He confirmed Northeast Ohio Media Group's report that the Browns are interested in 13th-year quarterback Josh McCown. "It's an option that's being discussed.''


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Because STL sucks?


St. Louis offense sucks. That is probably because their QBs were Austin Davis and Shaun Hill. They somehow won six games this year even though the rest of their division was pretty good.

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Funny how Sheard is rated top 5 in every statisticians run stopping category but not one fan thinks he can stop the run. Which is true?


At times the stats are misleading...Sheldon Brown's last year here he was ranked as a top 15 CB that year, yet nobody even offered him a contract when he hit free agency...I think he eventually retired as no one came calling; as he was an older corner.

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I do not take into consideration any QB choices made by Lovie Smith.


LOL................yeah, you know way more about the position than Lovie. notallthere

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Yeah.. that's exactly what I said.


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I know it is. I just wanted to point out how ridiculous you are.

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He confirmed Northeast Ohio Media Group's report that the Browns are interested in 13th-year quarterback Josh McCown. "It's an option that's being discussed.''


What scares me about this statement is that Josh McCown is even a worse QB than Hoyer.

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That is why I can't see them trading up to get Mariota. We just drafted him in the first round. Have to at least se if he can play before you toss him to the curb.

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I've read that the Dolphins will probably end up keeping Mike Wallace but could drop Brian Hartline due to cap reasons.

This team could upgrade its receiving core in a hurry by signing Cecil Shorts III and Brian Hartline. Both of which are Ohio boys and MIGHT have a mutual interest in coming here to Cleveland.

Also rumored that Ted Ginn Jr. could be a cap casualty in Arizona. If that ends up happening maybe he could land here simply as our return specialist? I'm 99% sure that Pettine will be looking for one via free agency or the draft.

Adding Hartline, Shorts III and Ginn Jr. would really bloster the size and speed in our receiving core, and I can't imagine any of them will demand top dollar, we could be looking at very team friendly contracts.

Thoughts?

I mean we have about a 1.5% chance of landing an elite receiver but these guys being Ohio guys, we MIGHT have a solid chance at landing them....



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Since he became a pro I admired Hartline...when there was talk about him draft time - I assumed it was OSU fans talking up their guy. My bad... kid is good actually better than any who talked him up to be.

I would see him as an UPGRADE on Austin. Hope we would be in the running if he does become a cap casualty.

Not so hot on the Shorts thing...but I will admit I am truly ignorant on who he is and what he can do for us. Its a position that is probably better attended to at FA cause you know what you are getting. WR is a tough evaluation. So many 1st rounders don't make it. And many are a wonderment on why they did not.

But right now I see us only upgrading on Austin from last year. Hard to class Gordon as what to upgrade on. 14 games in 2013???

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Cecil Shorts III is the WR who burnt Joe Haden at the end of the game in our loss to the Jaguars near the end of the '13 season. Shorts III ran that stop-n-go that Chad Henne pump faked and threw right over Haden for the go ahead TD with like 30 seconds left. I think the final score was like 33-28? Something like that, the game where Gordon had 200+ yards.

He played college ball at Mount Union and went to High School in the Cleveland area, so he's an Ohio kid, which is why he might be welcome to coming to Cleveland. He's 6'0 or 6'1 I'm pretty sure so he would be a slight upgrade over Hawkins, Gabriel and Benjamin as far as size goes.

If the situation presents itself to add Shorts III & Brian Hartline I would say that would be a MAJOR upgrade to our current receiving core.

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If the situation presents itself to add Shorts III & Brian Hartline I would say that would be a MAJOR upgrade to our current receiving core.


I too would say that would be a nice upgrade. I would be all about it!!!!!!!

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