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In order to get him we'll probably need to:
Give up a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year
Pay him the full salary this year
Hope he stays healthy
Sign him in the middle of next year to a lofty contract extension
Is it worth the risk?
What other choice do we have?
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In order to get him we'll probably need to:
Give up a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year
Pay him the full salary this year
Hope he stays healthy
Sign him in the middle of next year to a lofty contract extension
Is it worth the risk?
What other choice do we have? I would stay away. Hey, if the Rams want to cut him, I'm up for just signing him. But I'm not willing to give up two 2nd round picks. Those are worth their weight in gold (or at least silver). I'd rather sign Sanchez, draft someone, and run with Manziel in 2015. Get some WRs, get the O-line stronger and have more depth, add a pass rusher, and build more depth and speed across the D.
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My biggest issue with trading for Bradford is that he will be on the final year of his contract. Odds are that he is a one year rental or we use the franchise tag on him. With that in mind, I would not give up a 3rd round pick for him. Maybe a 4th, probably a 4th. Nothing higher unless I can get him to sign a 2 year extension. JMO
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Man saw some posts out there...smh makes me wonder if dawgs here have a grasp on the QB position.
I don't care if he is an amputee. This kid is ELITE. something we haven't sniffed at. To have a chance for him. To actually have a "GREAT" QB on the field.
I'd be shocked if RAMS give him up unless they are pretty sure he is not going to sign with them next season so they might be thinking get something while they can.
I would literally pee in my pants if we get him. Risk of injury - there always is that risk. We never NEVER have had a QB of his caliber.
jmho but he is the real deal. Cause he MIGHT get hurt? you take that chance for GREAT!
got to be truthful. im still trying to figure out why you and others think he is a ELITE QB.
being a browns fan is like taking your dog to vet every week to be put down...
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Totally agree EO:
I started a thread months ago about Bradford.
Bradford was a victim of what can happen with the first guy taken in the draft.
He went to really bad team and got hammered. The Rams had been bad for years before Bradford got there.
They had zero tools to work with and a bad OL. Bradford paid the price.
Injuries. Injuries happen in the NFL. They happen to anyone at any time. Modern surgical procedures have come along way. ACL's are very common. Lot's of guys come back from torn ACL's.
Getting Bradford for a second or third would be a gift.
Bradford can play and it would do him good to get a fresh start. The Browns have a good OL and they have some good young runners. They can get receivers.
They get Randall Cobb and Bradford I am feeling a whole lot better.
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If healthy, I think his floor is "above average"
Aka, had he been our QB last year, all season, we make the playoffs..
Is he Elite? No. Does he have the potential to be? Yes.
Dude just needs to last a whole season..
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We are exactly the team Bradford should want to come to, and here's why.
1.We have an offensive scheme that will not require him to do everything himself. We will have a run heavy offense.
2. We have one of the best OL in the business. There is nowhere in the league that he would be safer.
3. We have multiple high draft picks that can be used to upgrade talent on the team.
4. We have the cap space to take on his contract, and still add other free agent talent around him.
5. And, of course, he can be our starting QB.
I am not a huge Bradford fan, and his injury history scares the heck out of me, but he would be the best QB we have had in quite some time. If he can be had for a 3rd/4th pick, I would do that. He would be worth that risk.
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Watch him play you'll see why? I get the injury issue. I'm talking on the field.
Arm is Live.
Accuracy - amazing accuracy not ok, not good, amazing!
Pre snap read, very good. Progression very good.
Not a threat to run but injuries and all can move around the pocket.
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Totally agree EO:
I started a thread months ago about Bradford.
Bradford was a victim of what can happen with the first guy taken in the draft.
He went to really bad team and got hammered. The Rams had been bad for years before Bradford got there.
They had zero tools to work with and a bad OL. Bradford paid the price.
Injuries. Injuries happen in the NFL. They happen to anyone at any time. Modern surgical procedures have come along way. ACL's are very common. Lot's of guys come back from torn ACL's.
Getting Bradford for a second or third would be a gift.
Bradford can play and it would do him good to get a fresh start. The Browns have a good OL and they have some good young runners. They can get receivers.
They get Randall Cobb and Bradford I am feeling a whole lot better.
this guy gets dumbass injuries like he's RG3. we need to stop downplaying that. seriously. i remember game day chat when this happened: http://youtu.be/sHWLvPMsWQEall of us was like "wtf how did he tear an ACL doing THAT?" once a guy gets injured like that, its too easy for it to happen over and over again. his "elite" status is pointless if the wind is strong enough to end his season. I like the idea of Bradford coming here, but come on, thats a huge risk that I'm not sure is worth taking.
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We are exactly the team Bradford should want to come to, and here's why.
1.We have an offensive scheme that will not require him to do everything himself. We will have a run heavy offense.
2. We have one of the best OL in the business. There is nowhere in the league that he would be safer.
3. We have multiple high draft picks that can be used to upgrade talent on the team.
4. We have the cap space to take on his contract, and still add other free agent talent around him.
5. And, of course, he can be our starting QB.
I am not a huge Bradford fan, and his injury history scares the heck out of me, but he would be the best QB we have had in quite some time. If he can be had for a 3rd/4th pick, I would do that. He would be worth that risk. I am in agreement. The problem is how the Cleveland Browns are perceived around the league. 1. We have had 4 head coaches in the last 5 years. 2. The owner has a reputation of being quick on the firing trigger; there is no way to be sure the coaches you sign with will be here a year from now. 3. The GM and HC have 1 year experience, the offensive coordinator and QB coaches have never held those positions at the NFL level. 4. No experienced coach wants to work here. 5. No free agents in their prime want to play here. I agree with everything you said about why he should want to come here. What he probably will see is what I have listed.
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If we get a QB, no one is going to be fired for quite some time. A QB makes a good team into a playoff team, and this team has a lot of makings of a very good team.
The defense was excellent in scoring defense, and in creating turnovers. We need to get the pass rush going, and work on stopping the tun, but overall we made progress last year.
We have a pair of high quality WR, and we have plenty of cap space to go after more. We have a top 5 OL. We have 2 really good, young RB.
This team is the perfect team for Bradford to come to.
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I also belief that Pettine is extremely well liked and respected by the players on this team, and word of that kind of things gets around as well. Players talk to one another, and they tell each other what the inside scoop is.
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Again, I agree. Perception is the problem. We are talking football players here, not rocket surgeons. They mostly see history, not potential.
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I see both you and YTown making valid points.
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Again, I agree. Perception is the problem. We are talking football players here, not rocket surgeons. They mostly see history, not potential. I think that a lot of player speak to one another after the game, or hang out with guys they knew in college. I don't think that they sit around watching ESPN for the latest scandals, etc. Heck, look at the Steelers a few years ago ... when their RB was saying that we were to blame for 9/11, their WRs went insane ..... their QB ... well .... went to the rest room with a young woman ..... and yet when they really want to add someone, they do. I also think that a lot of players have a lot of ego, and think that they are the missing piece for a team, even if they aren't. When they are, look out. Anyway, why does anyone think that Bradford wants to be released rather than traded? He only has one year on his deal, and he wants long term protection. That's not a bad thing given his injury history. Further, the list of team who need a QB, are not in positioon to draft one, and who have the cap space to bring him in is fairly limited as well.
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Well, we'll see. I like the idea of Bradford coming here. I agree with all your reasons why it would be good for him. Giving up a 3rd round pick is reasonable, although the Rams hold the cards, so it might cost a 2nd.
If it happens, and even if Bradford doesn't like it at first, success will change his mind.
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Wow...........another thread filled w/ridiculous comments.
A few things:
--Bradford was also injured in college, not just because he played w/a bad team in the pros.
--How does anyone know what our scheme will be? Wanna answer that one, YTown?
--Bradford is NOT even close to elite. He has been "okay" when he has played, but there were ramblings about his deeper and intermediate accuracy. There were claims he checked down way too early. His career percentage is around 58%, yet his yards per pass attempt is less 7.
--You simply cannot ignore his injury history.
--Why would he want to come here? He won't.
--The craziest thing is that not ONE poster has even mentioned that how shameful it is that we are still searching for a QB. We had a chance to draft Teddy last year. We took a drunk! Freaking brilliant. Let me guess, that is probably the fault of LaCanafora and Shanny......oh, and probably even Banner.
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"--The craziest thing is that not ONE poster has even mentioned that how shameful it is that we are still searching for a QB."
Hasn't that been mentioned enough the 10 years?
We all know this, why do we need to keep repeating it????
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But we had a very good chance LAST YEAR to get a quality QB and we blew it!
That should NOT be ignored. The FO made a huge mistake.
I realize that in Regime Wars, it is against the rules to say even one bad thing about this particular regime, but I have never been part of the crowd/mob.
It was a huge mistake and it needs to be identified, because it must be part of the evaluation process of this current regime.
I am sorry if you don't like that, but it's the truth.
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I don't think it is ignored, I think that it is played out. jmo
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We have a pair of high quality WR...
I agree with most of what you say Y, but I can't name "ONE" high quality WR on this team, especially "TWO."
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I just saw that play for the first time Swish. Wow! He tore his ACL like that??? He is as brittle as a potato chip.
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This guy misses games like he's an NBA player. Nah, I'm good. Yeah with as many injuries as we've had, it would be sickening to sign someone like Bradford who'd I'd bet money on, cannot make it a full 16 game, or beyond season. I would take Locker or Mallett over Bradford and they come at no cost. I'd bring Kyle Orton back from retirement over Bradford. Heck I can truly said I'd rather have Jeff Garcia lol. Bradford is a blowout to the knee in the making. I couldn't be remotely happy with that signing unless it were a for a low end, no sort of guaranteed money/incentive based, or basically something I doubt he'd be willing to accept if release and looking to sign. 3rd round pick if it were a trade, which I guess he doesn't want but if that's false - then I'd also be okay with that. Anything more than a 3rd round pick is, IMO, out of the question and the talks end there.
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Bradford is not elite. I agree with that.
He may prove to be but he has to play and prove it.
He is probably though the best option for the Browns if he can be had.
Josh McCown? Please just shoot me. He has been nothing but a backup.
The Browns have to go after someone. Maybe more than one.
Bradford is worth the gamble. Could he get injured? Sure.
He is a starter and he may prove to be more.
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So is Bradford going to be an RFA after next season?
He seems not interested in extending with whomever traded for him, so I doubt anyone would trade for a QB that can walk free and clear after one season.. Bradford is completely undrestricted after the 2015 season. The more likely scenario with Bradford is that he gets cut as teams will not want to pay him the money he is due for 2015. Just for fun here is my ranking of teams that need a QB, in the order of which team I would sign with if I was Sam Bradford (these are teams that Bradford would be the clear starter immediately after signing): 1. Texans 2. Bills 3. Browns 4. Buccaneers 5. Jets (I would understand if you took the Texans off the list due to the presence of Ryan Fitzpatrick.) We have the most cap space out of that group (although the Jets are right behind us). The Buccaneers and Bills also have a good bit of room. The Texans have only about $10 million. I would think that we have a pretty good shot at Bradford if he is a free agent.
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That is a good post.
Do you really think he would want to play here, though?
And do you not think that it is worth mentioning that we would NOT even be having this conversation if the Browns hadn't blown it by passing on Teddy last year?
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Seriously?!? I'd rather go get a guy from Kroger....
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Sticking to the topic - a fragile Bradford is the best option hands down versus any other FA option out there. Personally I think behind as good a line as we have when the 5 starters are healthy, he would be a top 6 or 7 QB in the NFL. We'd need to re-sign Miles Austin and add another 6'1"+ WR to play on the other side. I'd easily give up a 3rd this year and maybe a 2nd/3rd next year dependant on games played.
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Bradford is worth the gamble. Could he get injured? Sure.
He is a starter and he may prove to be more. I would love to get Bradford. If the price is a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year, I'm not necessarily on board with that considering he may not resign after the season. If it's a 2nd and 4th this year, then it would be more suitable. There is a lot of questions surrounding Bradford's durability, so he and the Rams have to be realistic on what they are able to get. Is it a sure thing that the Rams would straight cut Bradford if they don't agree to any trades? Any links or inside scoop would be nice. 
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think behind as good a line as we have when the 5 starters are healthy, he would be a top 6 or 7 QB in the NFL. Why would anyone think that?
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In today's pass-happy NFL, no position is more significant, or comes under closer scrutiny, than the quarterback. A franchise quarterback is a player coveted by every NFL team - the key to playoff aspirations and Super Bowl title hopes. What defines a franchise quarterback? Do the Rams have one in Sam Bradford? The quarterback is the most talked-about position in the NFL. As the most important position on the field, it's easy to understand why so much attention is paid to them. When the terms "elite", "top ten", "franchise player" and "NFL rankings" [among others] are read in articles and commentary, more often than not they are used in reference to the quarterbacks of the NFL. These terms are being used with greater frequency [and about more quarterbacks] than ever before. It's relatively easy to come up with terminology; however, far more difficult to define what those terms actually mean in relation to NFL players. One of the more perplexing terms used in any discussion about quarterbacks is "franchise quarterback". What is a "franchise quarterback"? What are the criteria used in determining who qualifies as a "franchise quarterback"? What standards must a quarterback meet to become one? The most important question for St. Louis Rams fans: is Sam Bradford a "franchise quarterback"? In an article for Bleacher Report, on July 26, 2013, "How to Define a Franchise QB in Today's NFL" (please click on link), Erik Frenz presented a set of criteria and standards, for what constitutes a "franchise quarterback". The article relies exclusively on statistical analysis, and concludes with a list of quarterbacks who qualify as "franchise quarterbacks". It's noteworthy that his analysis is based solely on results from the 2012 season. The Criteria Statistical Pedigree Winning Dynamic Skill Set Decision Making Leadership The Standards Statistical Pedigree Three measures comprise the standards for the criteria of "statistical pedigree": Yards - Per - Attempt, Passer Rating/QBR, and Completion Percentage. The following are what a quarterback must achieve to meet the standards set: 63.0% completion percentage, 85.8 passer rating, and 7.6 yards - per - attempt. Sam Bradford, with a 59.5% completion percentage, 82.6 passer rating, and 6.7 YPA, did not meet any of the three standards in 2012. Winning As noted in the article, team win-loss record is a problematic measure for a quarterback: "Yes, overall win-loss record is one of the worst measures of a quarterback. It tells you nothing about the player except that he's on a team that wins." A measure known as Win Probability Added [WPA], developed by the stats website Advanced NFL Stats, is an innovative way of bringing "winning" into the "franchise quarterback" discussion. The standard a quarterback must achieve is 0.155 WPA - per - game. The other standard for "winning" is a Super Bowl victory, which is considered a defining moment for a "franchise quarterback". Sam Bradford did not achieve either of the standards, as he has no Super Bowl victory on his resume, and his WPA - per - game was 0.12. Dynamic Skill Set Arm strength is the focus in this "dynamic skill set" criteria. Accuracy percentage, on throws travelling 20 yards or more through the air, is the measure used in relation to arm strength. The standard to attain is ranking in the top 12 in this statistic. Sam Bradford, with an accuracy percentage of 41.7, ranks 12th on the list, meeting the standard set for this particular criteria. Decision Making Erik Frenz suggests that some of the NFL's best quarterbacks are those that release the football quickly. He uses a statistic tracked by Pro Football Focus [the average time it takes a quarterback to attempt a pass], as an indicator of quick decision making. The standard for this criteria is a top ten ranking in attempt time. Sam Bradford ranked 18th in 2012, and did not attain the standard. Leadership As the author suggests, leadership is virtually impossible to measure by statistics. He does, however, offer two statistical measures that are indicative of quality leadership: 3rd down - conversion % - by pass, and 4th quarter comebacks. The standards for the leadership criteria are: at least 3 4th quarter comebacks in 2012, and ranking in the top ten in 3rd down - conversion % - by pass. Sam Bradford met the standard for 4th quarter comebacks [4 in 2012]. His 3rd down - conversion % - by pass ranked in the bottom ten in the league. Who Are The NFL's "Franchise Quarterbacks"? Eight statistical measures were used in qualifying players for "franchise quarterback" status. In order to be considered a "franchise quarterback", a player must have met the standard in at least 5 of the 8 statistical categories [or won a Super Bowl]. The accompanying chart presents the 11 quarterbacks who qualified as "franchise quarterbacks". Questioning The Methodology The article on Bleacher Report is an excellent starting point in any "franchise quarterback" discussion. To further the discussion, the following are my observations and questions regarding the criteria: Is one year of qualifying enough to declare a player a "franchise quarterback"? What if that one great year is surrounded by six poor years? Should sustained excellence and consistency factor into the discussion? All of the criteria and standards in the article involve statistics and production. Are there other factors, conditions and intangibles that should be included - of a non-statistical nature? Statistics only tell part of any story, and not always reliably. Are the standards for meeting the criteria reasonable? Are the qualifications too stringent? Are the number of "franchise quarterbacks" too few in number? Too many? Should winning the Super Bowl be one of the standards to meet? Or does this comment from the author downplay the importance placed on winning the Super Bowl: "The quarterback is considered the most important player on the field, but in what is frequently called the "ultimate team sport," we shouldn't give one player all the credit for winning or all the blame for losing." Sam Bradford It has become commonplace to refer to Sam Bradford as the Rams' franchise quarterback. There is little doubt the Rams organization believe they have their franchise quarterback in Bradford. It is one of the major reasons Jeff Fisher came to the Rams in January, 2012. There are many detractors, however, that question whether Sam Bradford IS the face of the franchise........the player who will lead the Rams to the Super Bowl. Bradford is not among the 11 quarterbacks that qualified as a "franchise quarterback", determined by the Bleacher Report analysis. Nor is he considered to be "on the fringe" of becoming one. He met the standards in only 2 of 8 statistical categories. Irrespective of his absence from the "franchise quarterback" list, Bradford should continue his development in 2013 [after much improvement in 2012] - all signs point in the direction of him becoming the Rams' franchise quarterback. Given the improvements to the offensive line, and the additions to the playmaking arsenal, it is conceivable that Sam Bradford could reach the "franchise quarterback" statistical standards in 2013. The link to the Bleacher Report article was originally posted on TST, July 30, 2013, in my weekly Random Ramsdom column. (please click on link). The first comment posted in the thread for that article is by "fletcherisland". It's compelling - both for it's insight, and depth of analysis [the comment was applauded and recommended by the TST community]. It presents a logical, balanced argument for including Sam Bradford in the "franchise quarterback" discussion. A must read. http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2013/8/5/4571356/is-sam-bradford-a-franchise-quarterback
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There is no reason for anybody to want to come to Cleveland with the francise being run the way it is......Well unless they need the paycheck. Well I would have said that last year the team was in WAY worse shape and the stigma of the team was at an all time high. We landed Dansby and Whitner - and while I am not certain, I'd wager they were both signed after the chaos of the FO and HC being fired after 1 year. I can't remember what other ILB and SS free agents were out there, but these were among the best and they both played extremely well for the Browns. . . . Anyone paying attention would perhaps see the opportunity of joining an organization turning the corner... my 2 cents.
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If he is traded here I guess he plays here for 2015. After that he is a free agent. I am sure that if the Browns trade for him something would be worked out regarding a contract after 2015.
Nobody feels the pain as much as you and I in regards to Bridgewater. But that boat has sailed.
When the draft was going down last year and the Browns traded a third to move up and take Manziel while Bridgewater was still on the board. There are no words to describe what I felt. In the end my head went down and I just wagged it back and forth like a loser when his horse comes in last.
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Hell, I would give the Rams one of our number 1 picks to get him.
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How does anyone know what our scheme will be? Wanna answer that one, YTown? Sure, I'll answer how we know what our scheme will be. (with reasonable certainty) We know because DeFilippo said that we will run a scheme similar to what the team ran last year, and that he is even going to change some of his calls to match the calls the team is familiar with so that he is the one making adjustments, instead of the entire offense doing so. Now is this absolutely certain? Of course not. However, I think that it is a reasonable expectation that he does as he said at his introduction. You are trying so hard to hate everything the team does that it's becoming really annoying. I am quite sure that this is your intent, but whatever. The craziest thing is that not ONE poster has even mentioned that how shameful it is that we are still searching for a QB. We had a chance to draft Teddy last year. You have him in the Hall of Fame after his 1st season. Let's wait and see how he develops over time. I seem to recall that you were fine with us taking Manziel. (and yes, I remember that you loved Teddy as well) I know that I thought that he was a worthwhile boom/bust risk, and it seems to me that you agreed at the time. Now you make it sound like you were 100% against it when the team made the pick. You also really liked the Gilbert pick, IIRC, and now you blast the front office for that pick as well. I have one simple rule .... I don't blast any front office over a pick I was on board with. I may express disappointment in a player's performance, but if I liked the pick, I don't blast away at the guy who drafted him asking "what was he thinking?????" Anyway, I think that the team is on the right path. Even with the failings in the 1st round last year, we added quality players through the draft, in free agency, and through UDFA. We rebuilt the WR, RB, and ILB positions from nothing to positions with quality. Is there enough depth at WR? Of course not. Can a team rebuild completely in one season? Not really. We also improved our defense significantly, as far as scoring. In 2014we allowed 21.1 PPG. In 2013, we allowed 25.4. Which side of the ball had the bigger improvement? Let's look at offense last year. We scored 18.7 PPG last year, close to the bottom of the league, again. In 2013, we averaged 19.3 PPG. Umm .... yeah, we went down in scoring. Now a part of this was the final 3 games of the season, which included a shutout, but still .. we had a worse scoring year last year than in 2013 ....and we had major personnel problems on offense in 2013. Anyway, back to Bradford, I think that if we can get him for a 3rd/4th, then that might be a worthwhile gamble. I would not want to give up a ton for him. Injuries are a major concern, as I said earlier.
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Why would anyone think that? Hey Vers... since you have such a love affair with Shanny...why don't you answer me a question... What was he going to do to improve the QB play ?
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--Bradford was also injured in college, not just because he played w/a bad team in the pros.
--You simply cannot ignore his injury history. I don't think anyone is ignoring his injury history. I think some are just less concerned about it than others. --Why would he want to come here? He won't. You say that as though you are stating a fact. There are situations that are better, but not by much. The Bills are probably a better spot and they can likely pay him as much as us, but they are the only team that can say that. Also, if we trade for him, doesn't he have to come? --The craziest thing is that not ONE poster has even mentioned that how shameful it is that we are still searching for a QB. Isn't this something that goes without saying? --Bradford is NOT even close to elite. He has been "okay" when he has played, but there were ramblings about his deeper and intermediate accuracy. There were claims he checked down way too early. His career percentage is around 58%, yet his yards per pass attempt is less 7. Anyone who is saying Sam Bradford is elite is delusional. I don't want to make excuses for Bradford, but two of his three offensive coordinators are known horrible coaches (Pat Shurmur and Brain Schottenheimer). He has also had among the worst receiver cores in the league the entirety of his career. His yards per attempt numbers are alarming and are definitely someting that count against him. We had a chance to draft Teddy last year. We took a drunk! Freaking brilliant. Let me guess, that is probably the fault of LaCanafora and Shanny......oh, and probably even Banner. We also passed on Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson (three times), Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees. How long are we supposed to dwell on this? It was something bad that happen, but let's move on. (It was the fault of everyone by the way, everyone failed. When you draft Manziel over Bridgewater, you fail.)
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Realizing that statements in the press are just that, statements in the press. Maybe Jeff Fisher saves us from ourselves. He states pretty clearly that while Bradford remains under contract the Rams have no plans to trade him.
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When I say Elite I am talking about qualities, he hasn't been on the field long enough to be proven Elite. My opinion of course. But the kid is an Elite QB *if healthy.
My eye is better than your stats  lol
Anyway, not why I was clicking on you. I think there is one place Bradford would want to go.
Dallas - close to his home, perfect situation for him - aging QB (Romo) when he hits FA his timing will be right.
I don't see him "Wanting" to go anywhere else.
For him to come here with an extended contract. It has to be silly money.
jmho - odds of him coming here? 3%??? I doubt it. I would love it.
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You are trying so hard to hate everything the team does that it's becoming really annoying. I am quite sure that this is your intent, but whatever. You always resort to mocking me to further your argument. This has played out time after time after time for over a decade. And no matter how many times it plays out, you resort to same old, underhanded tactic to discredit my opinions. You have him in the Hall of Fame after his 1st season. Show me where I said that. I said that we would NOT be having a discussion about obtaining a qb this year if we had drafted Teddy. Another lame lie on your part to move the argument in your favor. I seem to recall that you were fine with us taking Manziel. (and yes, I remember that you loved Teddy as well) I have admitted [SEVERAL TIMES] that I had Manziel as my second QB, but Teddy was always my first. It was not an "as well..." thing. Oh, and unlike you and others......I do admit when I am wrong. I guess the difference between the Browns and I is that they have access to a lot more information than I do. For example, they should have known much more about his personal life than I did. I was looking at him as a football player. He had never been arrested, so I didn't delve into his personal issues. The Browns should have. Are you going to disagree w/that, too....or just blow it off and make this more about ME and less about the BROWNS...you know........how you always do.
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