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Sam Bradford is a talent but is too fragile. If we trade for him we will have to get another starting qb to back him up because the 2nd qb will be the one starting most of our games.

And likely the second QB will be getting paid the lesser too. I'm curious what other of the many QB-needy teams would fork up for Sam, if anything? obviously his health concerns has got to be on everyone's mind and radar.

J.C. I agree that Bradford is a good one but the liability that comes with him may be to big a risk for what we may have to give up for him. I think we should bring back McCoy ,Anderson or any serviceable F.A dump J.M. draft Bryce Petty ....done. imo

When you really look at it there are a lot of teams that swing and miss with their qb choices. Out of 32 teams I'll bet you can only make a case for 10-15 that you would classify as very good. We certainly have tried hard over the years to solve the problem.

which teams have a legitimate NFL starter at QB?

Steelers
Ravens
Patriots
Broncos
Chargers
Colts
Cowboys
Giants
Saints
Falcons
Packers
Lions
Seahawks


Teams who hope/might think they have one:

Bengals
Dolphins
Chiefs
Panthers
49ers
Bears


Everyone else is unknown

I would add the Raiders and Vikings to the list of teams who hope/think they have one. At least to the degree I don't believe either team feels the need to address the QB position.

Exactly what I was saying. Those last 6 teams listed have issues no doubt. Another team that now has a ? mark is the Broncos. PM's game went down a lot by the end of the season.

I think Brees has fallen off a cliff, I wouldn't include him on that list anymore. Ditto Eli Manning.

Out of the 'might have / hope they do' list:

Dalton I don't like and think he is too erratic (but heck I'd take him over any FA option!)
I know a lot of 49er fans - and not a one of them thinks that Kap is going to take them far, and I agree with them.

Wait, so you don't think Eli and Brees are legitimate starting QBs?

I'll take the guy with 2 SB rings and doesn't choke in the playoffs over whatever we currently have.

god i only WISH that was possible to grab Eli.

Would you trade our #19 pick for Eli Manning? I would in a heartbeat ... JMHO

That's hilarious because he would have NO ONE to throw to on this crap of a team.

I wouldn't trade for Eli or Brees with either first round pick due to their age and indication that they are losing ability.

I think both are 'starters' .... I don't think they are on a par with the others on the list. When I read that list first time around I thought it was a top 10 or 12 list.

I agree both are better than we've had or will have in 2015.

Yep good thing Hoyer was able to throw the ball then run down and catch it himself or else he never would have helped lead us to his 7-3 start.

"That's hilarious because he would have NO ONE to throw to on this crap of a team."


So Gabriel and Hawkins are crap? Seriously why do you follow this team?

Do you really believe that guys are going to be as wide open next year as they were this year?

how can you say they won't?

Nah, of course not.... so surely that can be extrapolated that no one will be open and the receivers we had /have are all crap. I agree 100 %

because according to some, it was less their ability to run routes and more to do with scheme, instead of being a balanced mixture of both.

those guys get no credit on this board sometimes.

Is it a given that you guys have to twist my words around on every freaking post? Did I say they wouldn't? Or, did I ask a question?

I understand it is "very popular" to bad-mouth Shanny on this board and pimp the new guys. But, why has Shanny gotten jobs and the other guys haven't?

Are you REALLY trying to tell me that our new guys have as much respect around the league as Shanny? How much experience do they have at their current jobs? I know the answer.............it's zero.

But yeah, Vers is stupid and we are soooooooooo much better off now.

there can be no doubt Shanny's scheme lended it self to helping our WR's get open... the scheme was solid, it should not be dismissed.

However some credit should be given to our WR's they seemed to run good routes and caught most of the balls they should have

I wasn't dissing the WRs, tex. Swish put those words into my mouth. I NEVER said that.

Stop, I was defending Shanny in gameday chat before that crap was popular. slow your role.

I'm simply saying that you need to give our WR credit. the scheme was good, but their route running is nothing to ignore. they still have to BEAT DB coverage in order to get YAC or even have a chance of catching the ball most of the time.

We are simply saying we DON'T know, nor do YOU, if the scheme we run will be equal, worse, or better. respect has nothing to do with it. Norv Turner is respected, and we went 4-12.

I did not bad-mouth the WRs, but that was not the topic of conversation.I thought they did a great job last year. Much better than I predicted. I was wrong about that.

I still don't think they are all that good. They are not great route runners. Hawkins is pretty good at that, but they really don't make good sight adjustments and hot reads. I actually really like Gabriel. He's a tough kid and gets open. He amazingly is also a pretty good blocker.

Fiip might turn out to be a great OC. But man, there is absolutely no evidence that he will be. Connor might be a great QB coach, but he has zero experience in the NFL.

And you guys can talk until you are blue in the face and guys like tab and mac can make up all sorts of lies to bad-mouth Shanny, but I would bet you a million dollars that Shanny gets hired over Flip by probably every other NFL team.

Those guys can call him a rat all they want, but why would he want to work in such a toxic environment? And furthermore, guys like mack and tab calling him a rat really makes me wonder about their morals. Are they---and anyone else who agrees w/them---that you should ignore illegal and amoral behavior if you are part of a company?

Y'all might want to think about that one before you answer.

It's really pretty simple to me. Either you believe our WR's are so fast, run routes so well and are so physically gifted they can be standing all alone while waiting on balls to float down to them, or you attribute a lot of it to scheme.

I know you didn't really pick a side, and I'm not trying to say our WR's are slouches. I actually pimped Hawkins.

But when you are 30 yards downfield and waiting on a pass like someone punted the ball with nobody around you, somebody called an awesome play.

News flash: Shanahan, by his choice, is not with the Browns anymore. Continued discussion of him and the Browns is not lending itself to anything.

Bridgewater is not with the Browns either. Coulda/shoulda/woulda does not lend itself to improvement of the team.

Honestly - to everyone - the constant harping about FO personell that aren't here, coaches that aren't here, players that aren't here - it serves no purpose.

That is a good point and one we haven't really talked about much.

It was amazing how many times guys were wide open way down the field, especially when we ran that boot to the weak side.

I like Hoyer, but man, if we would have had a qb who could have thrown the ball deep, those would have been easy TDs. Instead, the receivers would have to wait for the ball and they either fell down or got caught from behind. That is why we lost the first Baltimore game.

I really remember Gabriel waiting and waiting and waiting for the pass to get there. I was amazed at how wide open he/they were.

I also remember reading an article earlier in the year saying Hoyer was the best deep passer in the NFL. LOL.....that was because of all the long passes, but man, he was so terrible on those throws. They should have been easy TDs.

I just don't get how people are expecting that to continue next year w/a first time OC and a WR corps who did a good job, but is really lacking in talent.

nah i will readily admit that. hell those times Cameron would catch bombs? he didn't even run a route, he ran in a straight line and was wide as hell open because of the play called for everybody else confused the defenses.

I'm saying it's a mixture of both.

and it use to PISS me off people would blame the WR for the majority of times they didn't score on these long bombs down the field.

man these guys would be sitting there WAITING for that ball, and then realize they gotta speed up a little bit because they thought the ball was coming short. so much air when hoyer threw those balls.

I mean damn, i love that we beat the saints, but if hoyer throws that ball any better, Hawk can text and walk to the endzone.

Well, it might not be important to you.........and I respect that. You don't have to read my posts if it bothers you so much.

However, I think both topics are EXTREMELY important. We still have the guy who passed on Teddy for a drunk. He also chose another guy with "personal problems" in the first round. That makes me wonder if he gets it and I sure as hell am not confident that he will "get it" this year.

Furthermore, an established, intelligent, innovative coach wanted out of Cleveland and took a lateral job to do it because of the interference from the FO. Many people on this board are blaming Shanny and LaCanafora for all of this, but it was Farmer, Haslam, Scheiner, and perhaps some others who were at fault.

You don't text an OC during a game questioning their play calling.

You don't tell them who to play.

You don't ignore them in personnel decisions.

You don't ignore the entire pre-draft information and change your mind to draft a guy who helps w/marketing.

Those are very real issues, arch. They need to be addressed. People making excuses for them by blaming others or simply by ignoring them will NOT fix the problems.

Those problems NEED FIXED.

I am NOT calling for anyone to be fired and I am not starting a petition to have Haslam sell the team or have fans boycott games, like some others have done, as when we didn't start Brady Quinn. LOL

I just want things fixed. They need to be fixed.

Therefore, until I see them fixing those issues, I am going to talk about it. If you don't agree and believe deep down in your heart that all of our problems are either the fault of Shanny and LaCanafora or that the aforementioned problems will dissipate if we ignore them.....well then, you probably should not read my posts.

Is Shanahan in Cleveland?

Is Teddy?

So quit talking about them.

Now, if you want to gripe and moan, do so at the people that ARE here. Start at the top, Haslam, then go down from there to Farmer, and go as far as you want.

But to gripe about not having Bridewater even if we could've drafted him last year, is not productive. It's sour grapes, akin to saying "well, if only we would've traded 4 first round picks to Indy a couple of years ago, we'd have Luck."

It didn't happen - so why harp on it?

Let's move forward, instead of rehashing what we don't have. If I'd have only known what the lotto numbers were going to be, I'd be rich. Now, I can sit here and gripe about what could've been - or I can deal with the true reality.

If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it.

arch, I took time to explain my line of reasoning. You completely ignored what I said.

It's real easy........if you don't like what I have to say........don't read it. I know I don't read posts by several people on here. I don't have them on ignore, but unless they post an article, I don't read their take.

Look, I'm not one of your students that you can bully.

I read EXACTLY what you wrote. I didn't even argue what you wrote.

Perhaps, if you'd read what I wrote, with an open mind, you'd understand what I'm saying.

Bully? What the heck are you talking about? I wasn't trying to bully you.

We look at this differently. I am not trying to change your mind. But, you sure as hell ain't changing mine on this particular issue.

Look, we both know what this is about. You could easily stop reading my posts. That isn't good enough for you. You want to CONTROL what I say. You don't like hearing any negative comments about this regime.

Were you real positive w/Banner and Lombardi, arch? Let me guess, you never complained AFTER they fired Chud, right? You probably never said a negative word about them AFTER they traded TRich, right?

You're the bully. And no, you can't bully me.

Later.

I'm the bully? Got it.

Hey, there's this thing called "ignore" - you are free to use it. Know what? I'll pm you. We can go from there.

Sorry folks - Back to Bradford. I don't want him.

i get scheme had alot to do with it. but let me ask you. when was the last time we had WRs who could catch the ball and EXECUTE the scheme?

i havnt read one post where we dont need a #1 receiver. i have read alot of posts where they think going into the season with a coaching staff where no one has ever called a play is ok. ridiculous, absurd,

I'm not exactly sure what choice we had. Shanahan leaving the way he did, with the already bad reputation the Browns have within the NFL and the history of coaching turnover, I seriously doubt any decent/good coach would take the jobs. We had to go with hungry, promising, but inexperienced coaches...or else the dregs who couldn't find jobs anywhere else. Am I fine with it? No, but it is the way it is. So we take these promising but inexperienced OC and QB coaches, pair then up with our promising but inexperienced GM, HC and DC, and we forge ahead; hopeful that they blossom together as a great coaching staff but ready to live with the inevitable growing pains.

Our current wide receivers still blow.

Deep down, you know I am right. I am not afraid to speak the truth.

Next.

I believe that is a fair and balanced comment...

Thank you

I think Bradford is the most average QB there is.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/959218...ierarchy-part-1

I can't think of a time he was ever better than average. lots of potential but never more than potential

2014
didn't rank because he didn't play


2013
20. Sam Bradford, St. Louis Rams

Analysis: Since coming into the NFL, Bradford has been starved for receiving talent. Not anymore. Chris Givens is developing into a playmaker. Jared Cook will add a big-play threat at tight end. Tavon Austin will be Bradford's Percy Harvin. Bradford has elite ability and could make a big jump this year.

2012
Analysis: Getting rid of the Josh McDaniels offense should add a touchdown per game to the 12.1 points the Rams averaged last season. Bradford will work shorter, smarter passes, which will illustrate his potentially elite skills.

Arrow is pointing: up

2011
14. Sam Bradford, St. Louis Rams

Analysis: He's the next elite quarterback. The only thing preventing his jump is a 6.0 yards-per-attempt number. Bradford showed remarkable poise winning seven games and completing 60 percent of his passes as a rookie. I just wish he had a more explosive group of receivers to take him to the next level.

Arrow is pointing: up
2010

30. Sam Bradford, St. Louis Rams

Analysis: What amazes Rams management about Bradford is his accuracy and how calm he seems in the pocket. Unfortunately, his rookie season will be tough because St. Louis lacks big-play receivers and the offensive line is struggling.
Chance of being elite: 85 percent