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If you can give of yourself to others to help somebody else in your journey, I think you’ll find so much more peace in life... every person that I come across has value to me, and they matter... Football aside for the moment, these are very powerful words. We would do well to take them to heart... While inspiring, what indication do you see from the 22 year old "Money" Manziel that he would listen to the wise guidance of a 35 year old journeyman? If he checked himself into rehab, then he has at least some self awareness. Thank you, cfrs...  We shall see, someone doesn't change overnight or in this case a few weeks. Case in point, Josh Gordon.
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If you can give of yourself to others to help somebody else in your journey, I think you’ll find so much more peace in life... every person that I come across has value to me, and they matter... Football aside for the moment, these are very powerful words. We would do well to take them to heart... While inspiring, what indication do you see from the 22 year old "Money" Manziel that he would listen to the wise guidance of a 35 year old journeyman? If he checked himself into rehab, then he has at least some self awareness. Thank you, cfrs... We shall see, someone doesn't change overnight or in this case a few weeks. Case in point, Josh Gordon. If Manziel is doing things the right way, he should come out a changed man. Gordon, it seems, put almost no effort into changing.
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They are blowing off the hometown Hoyer.
They bring in Pettine's hand picked OC to develop a young QB whose
#1 asset is developing young qbs.
They bring in the guy that developped Johnny for his pro day to be QB coach.
They bring in a vet that is looking forward to being a mentor for the young QB.
Frankly I have never seen a team do more to ensure success of their rookie QB. Everyone has talked about the browns should develop a QB properly and most are now angry because they are doing all they can to develop the QB. They sound like proud parents that Johnny is showing the maturity to seek help and get his life in order. If Johnny isnt ready, McCown will start but make no bones about it, they want Johnny to be the franchise QB and are doing everything they can to make that happen.
I agree with almost all of this. It's obvious to anyone who keeps emotions out of it, that every move on the O side of the ball has been to set JFF up with the best scenario to succeed. You outlined that quite well. Where the problem comes into play is, what did Manziel do to deserve such a set up? What has he shown that would give a FO cause to put so many eggs in the same basket? Now had Manziel shown any promise in his rookie year to build on, all of this would make perfect sense to me, but that's not the case. From all appearances I agree with you on what they're doing. My big question is that this appears to put them in a position of a huge failure if Manziel doesn't do a complete 180. Another coaching change and possible regime change in the offing. Many can dismiss Vers in regards to the other options that were in last years draft at the QB position, but those choices, or lack there of, are most certainly a part of the evaluation process when looking at this FO. If this massive set up to help insure the success of Manziel fails, it will only be an addition of digging the Manziel hole they will be placing themselves in. Make no mistake, for the sake of my team and the future enjoyment it will bring, I certainly hope this strategy pays off, but from every indication to this point, an all or nothing concerning JFF strongly leans more towards nothing than all.
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Where the problem comes into play is, what did Manziel do to deserve such a set up? What has he shown that would give a FO cause to put so many eggs in the same basket? Now had Manziel shown any promise in his rookie year to build on, all of this would make perfect sense to me, but that's not the case. He was drafted in the 1st round and has only played 6 quarters. Like it or not, someone drafted that high at QB is going to get the chance to be "the man". Lets just hope it works out 
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Hello fellow Browns fans, do we really think they signed a below average 35 yr old QB to be a starter? I for one don't. I do think they may be thinking of trading some picks to move up to the top of the 2nd round to get a QB. Just hope he's still there, he's got just as good as arm as Winston and can move the pocket, run if need be. more pro ready than Marriota. If Manziel can get over his problems let em battle it out for the starting job. He may be the best in this class, just wouldn't risk a 1st rd pick on him. They should get Bryce Petty.
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They are blowing off the hometown Hoyer.
They bring in Pettine's hand picked OC to develop a young QB whose
#1 asset is developing young qbs.
They bring in the guy that developped Johnny for his pro day to be QB coach.
They bring in a vet that is looking forward to being a mentor for the young QB.
Frankly I have never seen a team do more to ensure success of their rookie QB. Everyone has talked about the browns should develop a QB properly and most are now angry because they are doing all they can to develop the QB. They sound like proud parents that Johnny is showing the maturity to seek help and get his life in order. If Johnny isnt ready, McCown will start but make no bones about it, they want Johnny to be the franchise QB and are doing everything they can to make that happen.
Where the problem comes into play is, what did Manziel do to deserve such a set up? What has he shown that would give a FO cause to put so many eggs in the same basket? Now had Manziel shown any promise in his rookie year to build on, all of this would make perfect sense to me, but that's not the case. Many can dismiss Vers in regards to the other options that were in last years draft at the QB position, but those choices, or lack there of, are most certainly a part of the evaluation process when looking at this FO. If this massive set up to help insure the success of Manziel fails, it will only be an addition of digging the Manziel hole they will be placing themselves in. I agree that everything about this move points to supporting Manziel as the "face of the franchise." But, to answer your question of what has Manziel done to deserve all this preferential treatment: he was drafted in the first round. This is all. The FO is doing whatever they can to save face with their choice to draft JM 22nd in 2014.
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[quote=Mourgrym] Where the problem comes into play is, what did Manziel do to deserve such a set up? What has he shown that would give a FO cause to put so many eggs in the same basket? Now had Manziel shown any promise in his rookie year to build on, all of this would make perfect sense to me, but that's not the case.
Well, He did check into rehab. and I'm sure the FO has talked to him. It looks like he is going all out to be our starter. I think that's why their going all out to help him. Makes sense.
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Where the problem comes into play is, what did Manziel do to deserve such a set up? What has he shown that would give a FO cause to put so many eggs in the same basket? Now had Manziel shown any promise in his rookie year to build on, all of this would make perfect sense to me, but that's not the case. He was drafted in the 1st round and has only played 6 quarters. Like it or not, someone drafted that high at QB is going to get the chance to be "the man". Lets just hope it works out It's more that I fear this strategy will fail rather than actually disliking it. I wish I had seen something that would indicate that JFF "gets it" on the field, but he simply looked totally lost after almost an entire season within an NFL organization. Anything even close to something that appeared mediocre would give some form of hope. Sure we can all hope for the best. But what happens if he fails miserably this season? With Haslams itchy trigger finger I'm afraid that going all in on what appears to this point to be a misstep on drafting a QB could be catastrophic. I see it as a very likely all or nothing move by this coaching staff and FO if no ther moves are made at the QB position.
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Well Pit,in the words of the not so great former GM Phil Savage,for a young QB to make it in the NFL,everybody,from the owner down to the ballboy has to be on board and to help him out.
If,and it's a big if,Manziel is going to make it,this is the only way the org.can proceed.Unfortunately they have to be all in,they can't hedge their bets on this one.
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They are blowing off the hometown Hoyer.
They bring in Pettine's hand picked OC to develop a young QB whose
#1 asset is developing young qbs.
They bring in the guy that developped Johnny for his pro day to be QB coach.
They bring in a vet that is looking forward to being a mentor for the young QB.
Frankly I have never seen a team do more to ensure success of their rookie QB. Everyone has talked about the browns should develop a QB properly and most are now angry because they are doing all they can to develop the QB. They sound like proud parents that Johnny is showing the maturity to seek help and get his life in order. If Johnny isnt ready, McCown will start but make no bones about it, they want Johnny to be the franchise QB and are doing everything they can to make that happen.
I agree with almost all of this. It's obvious to anyone who keeps emotions out of it, that every move on the O side of the ball has been to set JFF up with the best scenario to succeed. You outlined that quite well. Where the problem comes into play is, what did Manziel do to deserve such a set up? What has he shown that would give a FO cause to put so many eggs in the same basket? Now had Manziel shown any promise in his rookie year to build on, all of this would make perfect sense to me, but that's not the case. From all appearances I agree with you on what they're doing. My big question is that this appears to put them in a position of a huge failure if Manziel doesn't do a complete 180. Another coaching change and possible regime change in the offing. Many can dismiss Vers in regards to the other options that were in last years draft at the QB position, but those choices, or lack there of, are most certainly a part of the evaluation process when looking at this FO. If this massive set up to help insure the success of Manziel fails, it will only be an addition of digging the Manziel hole they will be placing themselves in. Make no mistake, for the sake of my team and the future enjoyment it will bring, I certainly hope this strategy pays off, but from every indication to this point, an all or nothing concerning JFF strongly leans more towards nothing than all. Excellent points Morg and Pit... to piggyback... What if those moves are not made just for JM but for some other rookie QB as well.. maybe they saw someone they think they can get at 43, Petty for example?
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Well, He did check into rehab. and I'm sure the FO has talked to him. It looks like he is going all out to be our starter. I think that's why their going all out to help him. Makes sense. I don't know if rehab will make him a better NFL QB.
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That's a distinct possibility. I am only going on what moves have been made so far in regards to the O coaching hires and what we currently have on the roster. All that is subject to change with any moves made going forward.
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I agree with almost all of this. It's obvious to anyone who keeps emotions out of it, that every move on the O side of the ball has been to set JFF up with the best scenario to succeed. You outlined that quite well.
Where the problem comes into play is, what did Manziel do to deserve such a set up? What has he shown that would give a FO cause to put so many eggs in the same basket? Now had Manziel shown any promise in his rookie year to build on, all of this would make perfect sense to me, but that's not the case.
From all appearances I agree with you on what they're doing. My big question is that this appears to put them in a position of a huge failure if Manziel doesn't do a complete 180. Another coaching change and possible regime change in the offing.
Many can dismiss Vers in regards to the other options that were in last years draft at the QB position, but those choices, or lack there of, are most certainly a part of the evaluation process when looking at this FO. If this massive set up to help insure the success of Manziel fails, it will only be an addition of digging the Manziel hole they will be placing themselves in.
Make no mistake, for the sake of my team and the future enjoyment it will bring, I certainly hope this strategy pays off, but from every indication to this point, an all or nothing concerning JFF strongly leans more towards nothing than all. What happens if JFF fails? Let's assume the plan is build around JFF next few years. If anything, you'll most likely have a strong defense and established OL. Maybe three to four good RBs and a seasoned receiving corp. I hope Browns are not focusing totally on the QB position making it the vocal point whether this team wins or loses football games. Having Hoyer or McCown at least allows this team to move forward if JFF can't do any better than last year. Really, the percentages of JFF unable to make any improvement over last year and being a playoff QB has to be about the same.
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Well if you believe Haslam will be content to muddle in mediocrity with no answer at the QB position, then you may be right. Because until someone finally gets the QB position right, this team isn't going anywhere.
I also don't see any stability at the WR position. Unless of course you think this coaching staff feels great about our WR core I see some constant turnover at the position.
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Well, He did check into rehab. and I'm sure the FO has talked to him. It looks like he is going all out to be our starter. I think that's why their going all out to help him. Makes sense. I don't know if rehab will make him a better NFL QB. So if he has a substance or addictive issue - not getting it treated will not impact his chance of success?
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I don't mean to be confrontational or call anyone out, but that was not your take back when I started a thread about Seneca Wallace refusing to "mentor" Colt McCoy. Back then you said, in effect, "coaches coach, players play". Its fine, the situations aren't equal, and your point of view is certainly allowed to change or evolve but still, it seems like you have done a 180 on the idea of player-mentors. Why is it a good thing for Manziel now, and not McCoy back in 2011? And by and large I stand by that. I guess I don;t think that a veteran QB should be forced into that mentoring role, but some players just gravitate to it naturally. I think of Gary Kubiak when he was the backup in Denver. He then became the QB coach and Offensive Coordinator for the Broncos, and the boss of the guy who started ahead of him, (John Elway) just a few years after retiring as a player. There are other guys who have followed a similar career path. I do think that guys only get to that point at the very end of their careers though. I also think that they can only do this if the coaching staff is on board. Some coaches want no part of a player helping coach another player, while other coaches place a greater emphasis on a player mentoring another. I also reserve the right to amend my position over time.  lol
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I believe that it helps your success as a person and your long term goals in life. Substance abuse is not something that usually happens overnight. His dad offered him a new car if he stayed sober for his junior and senior years of high school and JFF couldn't even do that. So he has had a lot of on the field success while having some form of substance abuse.
While you can say that rehab will make him a better QB, which I believe that is what you're trying to say, I don't feel that's necessarily true. Your talent will either transfer from the college ranks or it won't. While going to rehab certainly won't hurt his odds, if his talent doesn't transfer well, it won't increase his odds either.
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Because he hated McCoy.
(I am only half kidding.) I never hated Colt McCoy. I think that he is a fine young Christian man. If I had a daughter, and Colt was single, then I would be thrilled if my daughter brought him home. I greatly disliked him as the QB of the Cleveland Browns.
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We shall see, someone doesn't change overnight or in this case a few weeks. Case in point, Josh Gordon. Actually, I think that change can come rather quickly for many people who truly want to change. It's not overnight, but they can change their behaviors (outside of serious addiction problems) simply by deciding to make better decisions. Significant addiction issues are, obviously, much more difficult. However, even in those cases, you can see if a person is making life changes that lead to long term sobriety, or if they are continuing in their same patterns of poor behavior that leads to bad results.
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Well if you believe Haslam will be content to muddle in mediocrity with no answer at the QB position, then you may be right. Because until someone finally gets the QB position right, this team isn't going anywhere.
I also don't see any stability at the WR position. Unless of course you think this coaching staff feels great about our WR core I see some constant turnover at the position. If I'm am understanding what you are saying the Browns completed their work with the receiving corp, and QB, JFF, will not can not make steps to improve in the next few years. I'm not saying everything is looking rosy, but they are not dead in their tracks until a Dez type receiver and Luck type QB wears a Browns uniform. If you are stating this to be so, then someone might want to tell Seattle they are doing it wrong.
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Well, I still disagree with you that McCoy couldn't have used some help from Wallace, or that it wouldn't have profited the team had Wallace been willing. I think a veteran presence on the sideline supporting a young QB is pretty important, and view it as a plus if that ends up being McCown's role. I DO think $5M is a steep price to pay for that. But what I object to is the emerging narrative - implied, if not expressed - that Hoyer could not fill that role should Manziel legitimately have beaten him out for the starting job. I actually believe that this FO is so invested in Manziel that they could not risk Hoyer coming in to TC and winning the job outright. I'm having a hard time reconciling that ... I thought the goal was to win games.
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As called out above, the guaranteed salary is all that matters in this deal right now.
His last deal with TB had no guaranteed money, and I doubt we gave him much guaranteed either. If we gave him nothing guaranteed, we can cut him at any time before the season and not owe him a dime (towards the cap). I'm not sure how that is a bad thing, getting a guy under contract at no cost.
If we gave him a signing bonus or guaranteed him part of his salary, then maybe people have a little bit of an argument, but lets see what the full terms were before we go down that route...all we know is 3 years 15m.
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While you can say that rehab will make him a better QB, which I believe that is what you're trying to say, Not quite - I guess it's a bit like Mourg's post earlier .... I think him seriously making an effort to curb whatever issues or demons it is that he is trying to face and address while in rehab - that gives him the greatest opportunity to be successful ... while partying and being a reveler isn't mutually exclusive to being a great NFL player (eg LT) ... I think sober and dedicated gives you a greater chance to be successful. It won't make a bad player good - but if JM has the tools, it maximizes whatever his chances are. And while that story of his dad offering to buy him a car is damning, it goes to the heart of the issues faced by addicts ... it doesn't matter how much someone else wants them to change who they are and what they do.... it is only through the addict's actions and true motivation is there a chance to rehabilitate and change. Seems like JM's voluntary submission to rehab is as good a sign as one could wish for ... albeit a long road still ahead to 1. clean up 2. be a good NFL QB.
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As called out above, the guaranteed salary is all that matters in this deal right now.
His last deal with TB had no guaranteed money, and I doubt we gave him much guaranteed either. If we gave him nothing guaranteed, we can cut him at any time before the season and not owe him a dime (towards the cap). I'm not sure how that is a bad thing, getting a guy under contract at no cost.
If we gave him a signing bonus or guaranteed him part of his salary, then maybe people have a little bit of an argument, but lets see what the full terms were before we go down that route...all we know is 3 years 15m.
But do you think he would've signed without any guaranteed money? There's got to be some guarantee, otherwise he wouldn't have signed, imo. How much the guaranteed is is the question.
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Well if you believe Haslam will be content to muddle in mediocrity with no answer at the QB position, then you may be right. Because until someone finally gets the QB position right, this team isn't going anywhere.
I also don't see any stability at the WR position. Unless of course you think this coaching staff feels great about our WR core I see some constant turnover at the position. My problem is that every regime, including this one, is so fixated on getting the QB position settled. In their searching process, they neglect other holes and so we get a QB without the tools to succeed. Here's a news flash: average QBs with a great defense/team around them do win Super Bowls. Look no further than Tom Brady's first ring, Ben Roethlisberger's first ring, Trent Dilfer, Russell Wilson's first ring, etc. In those games, the QB wasn't phenomenal, but the team around them were. The QB was allowed to play in a system where all the tools for success are in place. Our philosophy has been to throw these QBs to the wolves with nothing remotely good around them and say, "Shoulder the load and win or be cast away." Wash, rinse, and repeat every 3 years.
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I have read that his deal has $4 million in guaranteed money.
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IMO, even if we can't sign another FA as a starter. McCown is no worse than signing Hoyer.
The thing that makes me laugh is how everybody is jumping to conclusions. Stating, as if it is fact, that they signed McCown as the big hope at QB. Free agency hasn't even started yet. Maybe they won't make a move , maybe they will. But in my eyes, this would be e same as resigning Hoyer, a lateral move for less money.
Nobody wants to sign any of the FAs like Sanchez, Locker, or Cutler, but these same people have no answer of their own. If they move up in the draft, they will be ridiculed just as much as if they don't. If they sign Sanchez or anybody like him, they will be ridiculed. If for some reason Manzeil pans out, they will be ridiculed for losing a year while he was a rookie.
Being a fan of this team is hard enough, but following the fans of this team is torture. Many criticizing act as if there is this big pile of starting quality QBs somewhere, and the FO is avoiding them purposely.
If McCown has to start the season as the starter, I don't see it as a step back. We won seven games with Hoyer and a mediocre defense. They both had a hand in losing some winnable games. If McCown can hold down the fort, and in the mean time help teach the QBs on the team Flips offense, I don't see it as a bad move.
IMO, if the defense had any ability to stop teams from running the ball down their throats, or giving up long balls at critical times in the fourth quarter, we had a chance at the playoffs. Just as if Hoyer can complete a couple third downs to open guys in the fourth quarter, the same thing could be said.
If it was me, I would go after Cutler or Sanchez on a short term deal, and keep McCown and Manzeil. Sure up the defense and add some depth on the Oline and either draft or sign a quality reciever. This team is building a solid foundation, I hope they continue doing so.
Signing somebody in February is not the end of things.
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Remember that Jake Delhomme contract? lol least its not that bad...Then again I wouldn't be surprised if McCown plays the way Delhomme played for us.
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IMO, even if we can't sign another FA as a starter. McCown is no worse than signing Hoyer.
The thing that makes me laugh is how everybody is jumping to conclusions. Stating, as if it is fact, that they signed McCown as the big hope at QB. Free agency hasn't even started yet. Maybe they won't make a move , maybe they will. But in my eyes, this would be e same as resigning Hoyer, a lateral move for less money.
Nobody wants to sign any of the FAs like Sanchez, Locker, or Cutler, but these same people have no answer of their own. If they move up in the draft, they will be ridiculed just as much as if they don't. If they sign Sanchez or anybody like him, they will be ridiculed. If for some reason Manzeil pans out, they will be ridiculed for losing a year while he was a rookie.
Being a fan of this team is hard enough, but following the fans of this team is torture. Many criticizing act as if there is this big pile of starting quality QBs somewhere, and the FO is avoiding them purposely.
If McCown has to start the season as the starter, I don't see it as a step back. We won seven games with Hoyer and a mediocre defense. They both had a hand in losing some winnable games. If McCown can hold down the fort, and in the mean time help teach the QBs on the team Flips offense, I don't see it as a bad move.
IMO, if the defense had any ability to stop teams from running the ball down their throats, or giving up long balls at critical times in the fourth quarter, we had a chance at the playoffs. Just as if Hoyer can complete a couple third downs to open guys in the fourth quarter, the same thing could be said.
If it was me, I would go after Cutler or Sanchez on a short term deal, and keep McCown and Manzeil. Sure up the defense and add some depth on the Oline and either draft or sign a quality reciever. This team is building a solid foundation, I hope they continue doing so.
Signing somebody in February is not the end of things. I can agree with that to an extent - but my "problem" is if Pettine, Farmer and Haslam's biggest praise for McCown is "he's a great locker room guy"......what does that say about his ability? Shoot, I"d be a great locker room guy. If his job is to be a mentor, why waste a roster spot on a mentor? Make him a coach. Heck, even make him a coach that puts pads on and practices with the team if that helps his mentoring? Who has he "mentored" that turned out good? (honest question - I have no idea). Who says John is even going to be open to being mentored? Time will tell I guess.
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I have read that his deal has $4 million in guaranteed money.
Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 3m3 minutes ago #browns josh Mccown deal: 3 years 14 million, up to $20 million, $6.25 fully guaranteed, year 1 $5.25 fully guaranteed.
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So after 2015 we only "owe" him 1 mil..acceptable..
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I can agree with that to an extent - but my "problem" is if Pettine, Farmer and Haslam's biggest praise for McCown is "he's a great locker room guy"......what does that say about his ability? Shoot, I"d be a great locker room guy.
If his job is to be a mentor, why waste a roster spot on a mentor? Make him a coach. Heck, even make him a coach that puts pads on and practices with the team if that helps his mentoring?
Who has he "mentored" that turned out good? (honest question - I have no idea).
Who says John is even going to be open to being mentored? Time will tell I guess.
The mentor thing is the biggest bunch of overstated bs ever. How does an NFL QB have that much time to "mentor" another QB especially on a team like the Browns where the backups ALWAYS play. I predict we will see a good part of the year with Josh as the starting QB. Heck I think there is a chance that Manziel doesn't even see the field again in Cleveland.
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I have read that his deal has $4 million in guaranteed money.
Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 3m3 minutes ago #browns josh Mccown deal: 3 years 14 million, up to $20 million, $6.25 fully guaranteed, year 1 $5.25 fully guaranteed. Thanks for posting that, I couldn't find it anywhere and am not on twitter. Looks like essentially a 1 year rental if that's all we want. Good guy in the locker room will help Manziel and potentially any draftee. @arch, good call...if Buffalo were also truly interested, we needed to guarantee something to get him to sign.
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Nice video, I can see him as our starter this year and a backup to whoever the next 2 years then move on up to be QB coach in 4 years.
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It seems like Jm is being given every chance too succeed. I hope he does. However, if he does not the thing to do is build up the supporting cast on O and build a dominant D which I feel we already are doing. By doing this you already have the pieces in place for whatever qb you get next. Hopefully it will finally be the right one. 
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I dont hate this signing and would like it more if they have a plan for the future as in draft as opposed to Johnny Manziel, who i dont think can be relied upon.
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I`m good with Baker... Playoffs is good enough for me.
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at least he is a prototypical size. we need to see if its size or just effort.
im on board that we found a qb...i wish it was someone younger. oh well another stop-gap until we find one...or jff finds his way
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If his job is to be a mentor, why waste a roster spot on a mentor? Make him a coach. Heck, even make him a coach that puts pads on and practices with the team if that helps his mentoring?
They are not wasting a roster spot on a "mentor". He can play and has started for a couple different teams. Him being familiar with the OC and the type of offense he will run is a plus. I rerally don't think Hoyer was that big of a help to Manzeil. Not saying that was his job, but there was more of a competitive thing going on, whereas with McCown, he is saying he would be a willing "mentor.
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